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Friday, September 7, 2018 8:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:

Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear



Yeah. I'm trying to sift through this one right now. Language barriers are a new thing when it comes to the challenge of debunking surveys. I'm probably only about one in a million people who actually bothered to do a little research and get this far, since none of numerous articles about this study bothered to link to it. Imagine my surprise.

https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen

I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.



Greater breakdown of study here: https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen/grafiken-die-aengste-d
er-deutschen




What I have been able to gleen so far is that this survey was 21 questions asked to 2,335 people as young as 14 years old. I haven't found a breakdown of how many were minors, or any explanation why minors were even polled about this. I also have not been able to discern the political leanings of anybody who was surveyed either, or how many were men or women, or how many natural German citizens were polled versus immigrants, particularly from the Middle East and Africa.



The meat of the survey seems to be presented in the following PDF. Unfortunately, Google Translate claims that it is too large to translate. If anybody can find out another way to translate this, I'd appreciate it.

https://www.ruv.de/static-files/ruvde/Content/presse/die-aengste-der-d
eutschen/aengste-grafiken/ruv-aengste-grafiken.pdf





EDIT: There doesn't seem to be any breakdown presented at all about the political leanings of those surveyed. There also seems to be zero distinction between natural German citizens vs immigrants, or any information about how many men vs how many women were surveyed. This should surprise no one since under Merkle and EU leadership, Germany is the current SJW capitol of the world and any such distinctions would be considered sexist or racist.

Unless anybody digs any further to find out these pertinent details, I suggest we throw this survey out as ideological propaganda.




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Friday, September 7, 2018 8:54 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Insurance company doing an opinion poll makes more sense than a university run poll. The Insurance company could add Trump insurance, along with Fire and Flood and Termite insurance, to its business. The question would be: Which are you more afraid of? Termites or Trump? Then buy insurance to protect you from your greatest fears.

Much like the anonymous author who detailed efforts to steer President Trump toward rational action, the Roman senator Seneca worked to prevent the emperor Nero from acting on his worst impulses.

"The Times writer describes a similar train of thought with regard to invoking the Twenty-fifth Amendment as a way of deposing Trump. “No one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis,” the author relates, referring back to the early days of the Administration, when such a move was contemplated. Surely this amendment was added to the Constitution to prevent, rather than cause, a crisis, but the author’s meaning is plain. Any removal of a chief executive destabilizes the structure over which he or she presides. The results might be more painful, in the long run, than his or her policy errors. Especially if those errors can be contained and restrained."

More at www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/seneca-could-have-written-t
he-anonymous-times-op-ed-about-trump


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Friday, September 7, 2018 12:12 PM

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Signym, there is no reason to wonder, but you do because you're deaf and blind to what is plainly obvious. For example, an average German is neither a Democrat nor a Republican nor an Independent. Yet they can see and hear what is wrong with Trump. That doesn't make them scientific instruments flawlessly detecting "wrongness", but they can smell the rotten stink coming off of Trump. (I could smell it years ago from his "management" books, then the way he ran his casinos, and then his TV show. What a rotten businessman Trump was and is) ...- SECOND
SECOND, put your thinking cap on.

Assume that everything the opiner (yes, it is a real word, look it up) says is absolutely true: That Trump is a thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person whose only skill is manipulating public opinion.

SO WHY NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 25?

Think about that for a bit before highlighting the point below. If Trump is such a dangerous person in the Presidency, why not summarily boot him out of office and replace him with Pence, who is a reliable conservative Republican much more in line with their agenda??

Select to view spoiler:


Because Trump is a USEFUL thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person ... one who allows them to forward their globalist/neocon agenda of impoverishing the USA by shutting off government assistance while fostering the wealth of the transnationals ... serving as a "cover" and a distraction while they do their work in the background.

So, if Trump is useful, why torpedo him NOW, and especially with this opinion piece?

And if Trump has truly outlived his usefulness -to them - why derail him with this opinion piece? Why not invoke Article 25?



Imagine that there is a group of establishment globalist/neocon "resistors" in the WH ... and with Kavanaugh they have achieved their last goal under Trump. What are their options for dealing with Trump now?

1) They can continue to babysit and resist, but with their cover now blown they'll no longer have the advantage of secrecy

2) They can invoke Article 25 and remove Trump, once and for all separating themselves from the Trump phenomenon and "re-branding" the GOP for the future.

3) They can blow their own cover and "out" themselves with an opinion-piece, being only able to affect the upcoming election in the short-term. The net effect of which would be to throw Congress to the Dems (as populist Republicans stay home in droves).

Of all of their options, having this opinion piece published seems to be absolutely the WORST, most counterproductive option, ESPECIALLY for the upcoming election.

I can imagine all kinds of mid- and long-term strategies in play, but that would mean that this opinion piece is no longer an individual heartfelt expression of angst, but part of a longer term strategy. And that would involve accepting the idea that there is a true deep state which is in real conflict with Trump and his supporters (and no, I don't mean his base, I mean the security state and military officers and Cabinet members who are on his side of a real fight.)

Quote:

Donald Trump replaces terrorism as Germans' greatest fear
So what?
Was Donald Trump elected to be President of Germany?
No???
Well, maybe German interests are NOT USA interests.
Maybe you should stop mentally conflating the two.
Maybe Germans really SHOULD be afraid of Donald Trump, because maybe Germany has been getting a free ride from the USA for 40+ years, and the gravy train is about to end.


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Friday, September 7, 2018 12:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I can't say that I'm used to an insurance company being the entity that conducts surveys either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Insurance company doing an opinion poll makes more sense than a university run poll. The Insurance company could add Trump insurance, along with Fire and Flood and Termite insurance, to its business. The question would be: Which are you more afraid of? Termites or Trump? Then buy insurance to protect you from your greatest fears.



Yup. Just like I'm sure that this insurance company offers insurance for some of its other 21 questions such as Terrorism Insurance, or Costs For Taxpayer By EU Debt Crisis Insurance, or Tensions By Immigration of Foreigners Insurance.

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Friday, September 7, 2018 12:25 PM

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The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates
Not true. Originally, it was the State Senate of each state that was supposed to choose their representatives to the Electoral College; no direct popular vote for President was involved. The idea was that the USA is a Republic ... a group of affiliated states which collectively negotiate the direction of the Federal government. That was the only way that the Founding Fathers could get such a diverse group of colonies... everything from slave/plantation states to small-farmer states to merchant states ... to throw their lot in together: By assuring them they would have independence in how they ran their affairs.

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Friday, September 7, 2018 2:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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The Electoral College only exists so that the College can evaluate each candidate and its votes are to be split among the candidates
Not true. Originally, it was the State Senate of each state that was supposed to choose their representatives to the Electoral College; no direct popular vote for President was involved. The idea was that the USA is a Republic ... a group of affiliated states which collectively negotiate the direction of the Federal government. That was the only way that the Founding Fathers could get such a diverse group of colonies... everything from slave/plantation states to small-farmer states to merchant states ... to throw their lot in together: By assuring them they would have independence in how they ran their affairs.



My understanding was the Electoral College was designed as a fail safe incase the great unwashed wanted a president that TPTB didn't want.

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Friday, September 7, 2018 7:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, put your thinking cap on.

Assume that everything the opiner (yes, it is a real word, look it up) says is absolutely true: That Trump is a thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person whose only skill is manipulating public opinion.

SO WHY NOT INVOKE ARTICLE 25?

Think about that for a bit before highlighting the point below. If Trump is such a dangerous person in the Presidency, why not summarily boot him out of office and replace him with Pence, who is a reliable conservative Republican much more in line with their agenda??

Because Trump is a USEFUL thin-skinned, unstable, and dangerously ignorant person ... one who allows them to forward their globalist/neocon agenda of impoverishing the USA by shutting off government assistance while fostering the wealth of the transnationals ... serving as a "cover" and a distraction while they do their work in the background.

So, if Trump is useful, why torpedo him NOW, and especially with this opinion piece?

And if Trump has truly outlived his usefulness -to them - why derail him with this opinion piece? Why not invoke Article 25?

You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. I have not found any Republicans in Texas who have any problem supporting Trump. It won't be the "deep state" that thwarts Trump. It will be Democrats, if they get a majority in the House of Representatives in 2018.

If Trump is having problems getting his ideas turned into reality within his administration, it is not because of a secret conspiracy. It is an open secret that he is not following up on his people. Did they lock up several million illegal aliens, or not? If they failed, Trump needs to take action against his appointees. Why are they failing?

It is not a secret about the Wall, either. Trump has not gotten his Texas/Mexico wall because he did not shutdown the government. It is the only weapon he has against Texas Republicans who don't want their land taken for a wall and don't want to pay.

Is the "deep state" investigating Trump? No. If Trump wants to stop Mueller, the only Republican doing an investigation, he needs to fire Jeff Sessions. Trump hasn't and so the investigation continues.

If Trump arrested millions of illegals, shutdown the government, fired Sessions, and a hundred other things necessary to implement his policies, Texas Republicans would back Trump completely. But Trump is too weak-willed, too confused, too disorganized, too slow. The failure is all Trump, all the time.

If there really was a deep state, you'd see signs from the few Trump skeptical Congressmen in the GOP. None of the skeptics have raised a finger, other than John McCain. If Trump can't handle the opposition from one dead man, he deserves to fail at bringing Signym's dreams to life. If Trump can't be bothered to follow up on whether his orders are being obeyed, he deserves to fail. If Trump spends his days watching TV and his nights going to campaign rallies and his weekends golfing, rather than working on Signym's dream list, he deserves to fail.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/7/17829146/trump-brett-kavanaug
h-nyt-op-ed


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Friday, September 7, 2018 10:02 PM

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You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in.



LOL.

Pot, meet kettle.

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Saturday, September 8, 2018 1:54 AM

SIGNYM

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You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND

LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.- SIX

Haha! No kidding!




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Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

You are too impressed by a few books and editorials. None of those words carry any weight in the real world I live in. - SECOND

LOL.
Pot, meet kettle.- SIX

Haha! No kidding!

When 6ix does the "LOL", I know he doesn't understand. He'll likely do another for this:

Obama made special mention of the anonymous New York Times op-ed contributor, identified only as a senior Trump administration official, whom many have praised as a beacon of hope. This is not the case, Obama said: “The claim that everything will turn out OK because there are people inside the White House who secretly aren’t following the president’s orders, that is not a check.”

In the Times essay, the writer was invested only in stopping Trump’s “half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions.”

“That’s not how our democracy is supposed to work,” Obama said. “These people are not doing us a service by actively promoting 90% of the crazy stuff that’s coming out of this White House, and then saying, ‘Don’t worry, we’re preventing the other 10%.'”

Obama characterized the present political climate as extraordinary and dangerous. He urged prospective voters to put a stop to it in the midterm elections in November.

(This is where 6ix writes "LOL" and Signym writes some version of "Pot calling kettle black". As for me, I hope reality kicks Trump's ass, perhaps by the GOP losing its majority in the House of Representatives. It could happen: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/ho
use
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Saturday, September 8, 2018 7:36 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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(This is where 6ix writes "LOL" and Signym writes some version of "Pot calling kettle black"...)


I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".

So much for your reading comprehension skills, Second.



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Sunday, September 9, 2018 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".

So much for your reading comprehension skills, Second.

In Bob Woodward’s first TV interview to promote the much-hyped Fear, his book on Donald Trump’s presidency, the veteran journalist warned that “people better wake up to what’s going on.”

“You look at the operation of this White House and you have to say, ‘Let’s hope to God we don’t have a crisis’,” he added in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS Sunday Morning.

Did you comprehend, 6ix?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/bob-woodward-warns-of-whit
e-house-dysfunction-lets-hope-to-god-we-dont-have-a-crisis.html


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Monday, September 10, 2018 12:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I wrote both the LOL and the "Pot, meet Kettle".

So much for your reading comprehension skills, Second.

In Bob Woodward’s first TV interview to promote the much-hyped Fear, his book on Donald Trump’s presidency, the veteran journalist warned that “people better wake up to what’s going on.”

“You look at the operation of this White House and you have to say, ‘Let’s hope to God we don’t have a crisis’,” he added in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS Sunday Morning.

Did you comprehend, 6ix?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/bob-woodward-warns-of-whit
e-house-dysfunction-lets-hope-to-god-we-dont-have-a-crisis.html


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Yup.

I understood that Mr. Woodward isn't going to have to rely on those royalty checks from Robert Redford anymore.



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Monday, September 10, 2018 7:41 AM

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Woodward, whose new book Fear: Trump in the White House hits bookstores on Tuesday, described the incident in the interview with CBS as the most dangerous moment of Trump’s nuclear standoff with North Korea.

“He drafts a tweet saying ‘We are going to pull our dependents from South Korea – family members of the 28,000 people there,’” Woodward said, referring to families of US troops stationed on the Korean peninsula.

The tweet was never sent because of a back-channel message from the North Koreans that they would view it as a sign the US was preparing to attack, according to CBS.

“At that moment there was a sense of profound alarm in the Pentagon leadership that, ‘My God, one tweet and we have reliable information that the North Koreans are going to read this as ‘an attack is imminent.’”

More at www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/10/trump-almost-sent-tweet-north-
korea-imminent-attack


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Monday, September 10, 2018 8:04 AM

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Why should I believe this any more than the "Iraq WMD" or the "RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!RUSSIA" narrative?

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Monday, September 10, 2018 8:45 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why should I believe this any more than the "Iraq WMD" or the "RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!RUSSIA" narrative?

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Signym, if you are now the official apologist for Trump, why not use your imagination to write that Trump thoughtfully, carefully ran his tweet past his military advisors before he touched the Enter key? When the advisors told Trump he was about to accidentally start a war with North Korea, he wisely erased the tweet? That way, Signym, you make Trump look like he is organized and understands what he is doing, rather than he is the King of Chaos.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 8:59 AM

SIGNYM

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I have read ... and of course I have no way of proving or disproving either way ... that OUTSIDE of the USA, USA foreign policy as seen as There is Trump ... and then there is the 'deep state'. I have heard that Trump and Kim Jong Un, for example communicate by sealed letter, couriered by a person known to Trump, and that the tweets are often disinformation, designed to confuse Trump's "resistors".

What I have OBSERVED is that the rhetoric really flies, right before a behind-the-scenes settlement. The other thing I have observed is that Trump - unlike previous Presidents - really is attempting to make good on his campaign promises.

As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 9:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have read ... and of course I have no way of proving or disproving either way ... that OUTSIDE of the USA, USA foreign policy as seen as There is Trump ... and then there is the 'deep state'. I have heard that Trump and Kim Jong Un, for example communicate by sealed letter, couriered by a person known to Trump, and that the tweets are often disinformation, designed to confuse Trump's "resistors".

What I have OBSERVED is that the rhetoric really flies, right before a behind-the-scenes settlement. The other thing I have observed is that Trump - unlike previous Presidents - really is attempting to make good on his campaign promises.

As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

You are now an apologist for Trump, Signym. And a very imaginative one, too! Who did you read? Who wrote it that has his reputation to protect, so he would not just create or manufacture "alternative" facts solely to make Trump look good? Woodward has a real reputation to protect, so he doesn't just make up facts to make Trump look bad.

Signym, your best move, next, is to take down Woodward and his sources as being self-glorifying, insinuating that the book is nothing but lies to make Trump look bad and the sources look good. Kellyanne Conway shows how that is done. Kellyanne doesn't need any facts. She can pretend she has them without sharing those facts on TV. It requires zero preparation by Kellyanne, other than to look nice and speak well. Very efficient work by her:



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Monday, September 10, 2018 11:06 AM

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Who's an apologist, and what makes Woodward so beyond reproach?

Trump was elected nearly 2 years ago now and that's nearly 2 years where every single goddamned day the media has attacked him for anything from eating too much McDonalds to singlehandedly bringing Russia on our shores and into our homes.

Fuck you, Second.

Seriously.

Cunt.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 11:15 AM

SIGNYM

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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this is obviously just a different tack timed to drive Trump from office. If this had TRULY been a problem, you'd think that it would have been "reported" first, BEFORE the pointless exercise in Russophobia was attempted.

When I see so many DIFFERENT approaches all aimed at the same goal (9-11, yellowcake! mushroom could! biological weapons! tyranny!) and I see these attempts accelerating on a schedule I know I'm looking at propaganda; and you should too.

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, there's a lot to criticize about the M$M, mostly their dishonesty.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty.



You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!

I know you have your agenda and won't believe anything that doesn't support or come from Fux Nooz pov, but just to keep the fun going:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_
and_resignations


"Many political appointees of Donald Trump, the 45th and current President of the United States, have resigned or been dismissed. The record-setting turnover rate in the Trump Administration has been noted in various publications.

Several Trump appointees, including National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price have the shortest-service tenures in the history of their respective offices."

Another example:
How has the Russia narrative failed exactly? No proof just your saying so?

Another example:
"Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." What exactly do you mean by that? Coverage? He's been getting more coverage than any other candidate since he began to run for the office. He craves it, he was probably elected in part because of it. Or do you mean something else by BS?

Another example:
"And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms." You just said it was non-stop BS, so it's always been this way according to you. So according to you, you're full of it.

Like I've said, you don't have to make sense or even make simple, logical arguments. You're entire Trump schtick makes sense when you see it from an old Soviet's perspective.

As for sources:


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Monday, September 10, 2018 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?



OMG! *gasp* *sputter* I forgot that one!
Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
Kelly: "Yes, I called him an idiot."

You're too funny.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 1:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

As for sources:




He should have just come out and admitted it was Hillary Clinton back in 2012 that was his source and saved us all a lot of trouble.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 10, 2018 1:41 PM

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Quote:

OMG! *gasp* *sputter* I forgot that one!
Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
Kelly: "Yes, I called him an idiot."

Then why be sourced at all? Or why have your name attached? And if the author knew that his sources would disavow anything that they said, why include it in a book? All that does is discredit the author, the statements, and/or the sources.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 1:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY

You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!

I'll get to this later.

Quote:

I know you have your agenda and won't believe anything that doesn't support or come from Fux Nooz pov
I have no idea what's on Fox News, and you probably don't either.

Quote:

but just to keep the fun going:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Trump_administration_dismissals_
and_resignations


"Many political appointees of Donald Trump, the 45th and current President of the United States, have resigned or been dismissed. The record-setting turnover rate in the Trump Administration has been noted in various publications.

Several Trump appointees, including National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price have the shortest-service tenures in the history of their respective offices."

At the same time, a record number of FBI and DOJ officials have been fired, demoted, or resigned. That's not an accident.

Quote:

Another example:
How has the Russia narrative failed exactly? No proof just your saying so?

A wide swath of recent polls indicate that most people don't give a crap about so-called "Russian collusion".

Poll: Voters grow weary of Russia probes (Harvard -Harris poll)
By Jonathan Easley - 06/23/17 11:10 AM EDT
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-wea
ry-of-russia-probes


Poll: Americans Don’t Give A Hoot About So-Called Russian Collusion (Gallup poll)
July 20, 2018 By Bre Payton
https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/20/poll-americans-dont-give-hoot-cal
led-russian-collusion
/

Who Colluded With Russia: Trump or Clinton? (Rasmussen)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politi
cs/may_2018/who_colluded_with_russia_trump_or_clinton



Quote:

Another example
ANOTHER example of your ignorant partisanship?? Hookaaay ...

Quote:

"Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." What exactly do you mean by that? Coverage? He's been getting more coverage than any other candidate since he began to run for the office. He craves it, he was probably elected in part because of it. Or do you mean something else by BS?
Obviously I mean something else.

Quote:

Another example:
"And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms." You just said it was non-stop BS, so it's always been this way according to you. So according to you, you're full of it.

Quantity, not quality. Another brain-dead comment from you.

"Like I've said, you don't have to make sense or even make simple, logical arguments."

And now I have to go clean up some dog poop, poor thing was sick. I have to say, dealing with her shit is a lot more pleasant than dealing with yours.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 3:09 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this is obviously just a different tack timed to drive Trump from office. If this had TRULY been a problem, you'd think that it would have been "reported" first, BEFORE the pointless exercise in Russophobia was attempted.

When I see so many DIFFERENT approaches all aimed at the same goal (9-11, yellowcake! mushroom could! biological weapons! tyranny!) and I see these attempts accelerating on a schedule I know I'm looking at propaganda; and you should too.

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, there's a lot to criticize about the M$M, mostly their dishonesty.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Signym, you have gone full Kellyanne Conway, defending Trump as best you can by tearing down the opposition as untruthful. Getting away from your and Kellyanne's alternative facts, there is an article "Trump keeps making outlandish claims about GDP". This stuff can actually be checked for truth and accuracy, T&A for short, the two things Trump does not keep around the White House. T&A does not depend on what his staff will say anonymously to Woodward and other reporters versus what they say using their real names, risking their jobs.
www.businessinsider.com/trump-gdp-if-hillary-clinton-democrats-won-201
8-9


Here is another story that doesn't depend on deciding to believe either Mister Anonymous-But-Remains-Employed or Mister Real-Name-But-Was-Fired-from-White-House: "Trump’s lie about US GDP growth, debunked" at https://qz.com/1384543/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, September 10, 2018 3:41 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

OMG! *gasp* *sputter* I forgot that one!
Because Mattis is going to say, "Yep, I said he had the understanding of a 6th grader."
Kelly: "Yes, I called him an idiot."

Then why be sourced at all? Or why have your name attached? And if the author knew that his sources would disavow anything that they said, why include it in a book? All that does is discredit the author, the statements, and/or the sources.



Professional Journalists - not internet web site hacks looking for clicks - are trained to find viable sources and multiple verifications for the information they provide. There actually are things called Journalism Schools. So they get info (quotes) and they verify from other protected/anonymous sources, and they publish. They author can guess someone will deny, but how would they know? Deep Throat denied being a source on Nixon/Watergate for years afterwards.

But you know all this right?

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Monday, September 10, 2018 3:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY

You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!

I'll get to this later.




Sure you will. So right now though you don't know if all the resignations and firings and guilty pleas and cooperation with Mueller was planned or not, is that correct?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have no idea what's on Fox News, and you probably don't either.



You're not lying but you are wrong. I check it out to see what horse sh*t they're peddling as News. Tucker Carlson has gone so far over the edge of Trump suck up that's it's like watching a bad movie for fun - he's so bad it's amusing.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
At the same time, a record number of FBI and DOJ officials have been fired, demoted, or resigned. That's not an accident.



Riiight - Comey was fired because of that Russia thing. In fact, were any of them convicted of doing anything illegal?Pretty obvious it's pure vindictiveness - anyone associated with Trump's Russia business is a target. Strzck and Page should sue for wrongful termination - they did nothing illegal. Right?

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A wide swath of recent polls indicate that most people don't give a crap about so-called "Russian collusion".


Really? Are those polls from inside the Kremlin? Maybe the White House?

BTW - "Weary" does not mean "don't give a crap." Either you English or your attempt to mislead, sucks.

Poll: Voters grow weary of Russia probes (Harvard -Harris poll)
By Jonathan Easley - 06/23/17 11:10 AM EDT
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-wea
ry-of-russia-probes


Poll: Americans Don’t Give A Hoot About So-Called Russian Collusion (Gallup poll)
July 20, 2018 By Bre Payton
https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/20/poll-americans-dont-give-hoot-cal
led-russian-collusion
/

Who Colluded With Russia: Trump or Clinton? (Rasmussen)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politi
cs/may_2018/who_colluded_with_russia_trump_or_clinton


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

"Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." What exactly do you mean by that? Coverage? He's been getting more coverage than any other candidate since he began to run for the office. He craves it, he was probably elected in part because of it. Or do you mean something else by BS?
Obviously I mean something else.



Obviously only to you. It's a simple statement: "Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M." what else could you mean???

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms." You just said it was non-stop BS, so it's always been this way according to you. So according to you, you're full of it.

Quantity, not quality. Another brain-dead comment from you.


Obviously I disagree - the anti-Trump news seems even quieter these days - he seems to be trying to stay out of the spotlight even. Other than him promoting Woodward's book and having his administration decay publicly from the inside it's way quieter than when he took office or when his staff was being picked off through resignations, firings or indictments.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:And now I have to go clean up some dog poop, poor thing was sick. I have to say, dealing with her shit is a lot more pleasant than dealing with yours.



I think you mean that dealing with me is unpleasant because you have to clean up your own shit.

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Monday, September 10, 2018 3:56 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Bob Woodward Stands By Reporting In Trump Book, Saying 'These Things Happened':

"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."

"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened."

Woodward's book is based on "deep background" interviews, which he defines in his book as interviews where "all the information could be used but I would not say who provided it."

"The people are not anonymous to me," he says of his sources.

Once one person had described an episode to him, Woodward says, "I would go to other people and say, 'Did this happen? Who else was there?' "

"You can, in an almost microscopic way, establish what occurred — and that's what I've done in this book."

www.npr.org/2018/09/10/646247472/woodward-great-washington-denial-mach
ine-driven-by-politics-not-truth


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Monday, September 10, 2018 4:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Bob Woodward Stands By Reporting In Trump Book, Saying 'These Things Happened':

"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."

"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened."

Woodward's book is based on "deep background" interviews, which he defines in his book as interviews where "all the information could be used but I would not say who provided it."

"The people are not anonymous to me," he says of his sources.

Once one person had described an episode to him, Woodward says, "I would go to other people and say, 'Did this happen? Who else was there?' "

"You can, in an almost microscopic way, establish what occurred — and that's what I've done in this book."



In other words, we have a book written by a man in an echo chamber that is stuffed to the gills with confirmation bias.

No doubt in my mind this is going to be a bestseller that's quoted verbatim on the internet for the next 6 years.

Hell, the MSM can all just phone it in until 2024 now.



Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman don't seem to have anything on their schedule.

I think it's time for All the President's Men II: The New Batch.



EDIT: I think I like "All the President's Men 2: The Second One" even better.


EDIT: All the President's Men Too: Geriatric Boogaloo?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 10, 2018 7:38 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Aside from a whole swath of people who disavow their purported quotes in the book ...

"They are not anonymous to me." - R. Woodward

... what I find extremely telling about Woodward is that he's struggling to distinguish the concept 'anonymous' from 'unnamed'. His inability to accurately name simple concepts indicates a serious mental decline in a writer.




THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

"You crank out the great Washington denial machine," he says. "I've seen this over the years, going back to the Nixon case."

"Time and time again people will deny things," Woodward says. "I understand people have to protect their positions. But I've done hundreds of hours of interviews with people. ... These things happened." -SECOND



Well, speaking of denial ...

Obama, in a recent speech, stuffed the whole Benghazi massacre into the "conspiracy theory" box.

Quote:

Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."
Well, needless to say, a former Ranger (who was working as contract security in Benghazi) WHO WAS THERE took exception to Obama's labeling the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" and tweeted ...

Quote:

Benghazi is a conspiracy @BarackObama ?! How bout we do this, let’s put your cowardly ass on the top of a roof with 6 of your buddies&shoot rpg’s&Ak47’s at you while terrorists lob 81mm mortars killing 2 of your buddies all while waiting for US support that you never sent????#scum


"Kris Paronto is credited with saving 20 lives at Benghazi."

Now, you have to realize that Hillary, the then-CIA director Morell, AND Obama undertook to cover up exactly what happened there, first attempting to "explain" the attack as an unpredicted reaction to an anti-Muslim movie (not true) and THEN as a spontaneous riot (also not true). Paronto is very definite that the contractor were told to STAND DOWN while the consulate was under attack, and that they defied orders and went to rescue personnel anyway, and were left hung out to dry by the military.

So the fact that Obama would continue to push the facts of the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" means that Obama is just a lying weasel, eager to deny facts that make him (and his party and his backers) look bad.

So you see, it's really hard to decide: Who is worse- Trump, or his enemies?

Paronto, for his efforts to set the record straight, was SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER. Clearly, Twitter isn't deciding on who get banned based on the truth of what they tweet, or even on the hostility of tone (Twitter had let open death threats stand) but on some some opaque and nonsensical "algorithm" that just happens to let liberal "fake news" thru but not conservative real news.




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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:57 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Great Britain continued to function despite its King going crazy. So too America can function despite its President:

In 1778 George III lapsed into a months-long period of violent insanity. He was restrained with a straitjacket and suffered various treatments as crisis of rule unfolded around him. He recovered the next year and reigned for the next 12. George suffered a second major bout of insanity in 1804 and recovered, but in 1810 he slipped into his final illness. A year later his son, the future George IV, became prince regent, giving him effective rule for the War of 1812 and Napoleon’s final defeat at Waterloo in 1815.
-- www.history.com/topics/british-history/george-iii

America’s last king: The unsettling parallels between King George III and Donald Trump
Inexperienced authoritarian with a habit of blasting out his opinions in the wee hours of the morn? Sounds familiar. Demanding absolute loyalty? Not trusting anyone more popular than he was, and detesting all opposition? If this sounds familiar, it fits not only Trump but America’s last king, George III.
-- www.salon.com/2017/06/25/americas-last-king-the-unsettling-parallels-b
etween-king-george-iii-and-donald-trump
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Obama, in a recent speech, stuffed the whole Benghazi massacre into the "conspiracy theory" box.

Quote:

Shortly thereafter, Paronto took offense to Obama referring to Benghazi as a conspiracy theory when he said: "over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the Republican party," Obama said, before attacking Republicans in Congress for peddling "wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding Benghazi."
Well, needless to say, a former Ranger (who was working as contract security in Benghazi) WHO WAS THERE took exception to Obama's labeling the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" and tweeted ...

Quote:

Benghazi is a conspiracy @BarackObama ?! How bout we do this, let’s put your cowardly ass on the top of a roof with 6 of your buddies&shoot rpg’s&Ak47’s at you while terrorists lob 81mm mortars killing 2 of your buddies all while waiting for US support that you never sent????#scum


"Kris Paronto is credited with saving 20 lives at Benghazi."

Now, you have to realize that Hillary, the then-CIA director Morell, AND Obama undertook to cover up exactly what happened there, first attempting to "explain" the attack as an unpredicted reaction to an anti-Muslim movie (not true) and THEN as a spontaneous riot (also not true). Paronto is very definite that the contractor were told to STAND DOWN while the consulate was under attack, and that they defied orders and went to rescue personnel anyway, and were left hung out to dry by the military.

So the fact that Obama would continue to push the facts of the massacre as a "conspiracy theory" means that Obama is just a lying weasel, eager to deny facts that make him (and his party and his backers) look bad.



First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was. How do I know? All of them failed! What does that tell you?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Paronto, for his efforts to set the record straight, was SUSPENDED FROM TWITTER. Clearly, Twitter isn't deciding on who get banned based on the truth of what they tweet, or even on the hostility of tone (Twitter had let open death threats stand) but on some some opaque and nonsensical "algorithm" that just happens to let liberal "fake news" thru but not conservative real news.



Hey, my "G" account was removed by "algorithm" should I b*tch to Haken? Or just accept that this is his forum and his rules even if I don't like them?

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:26 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Woodward, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, said the book is based on first-hand reporting and anonymous White House sources, including some who were extremely reluctant to disclose information, or even speak with him.

“You need to be patient. You go to their house and you knock on their door,” he said, explaining his method for cultivating good sources. “You ask if they have any documents -- because no one who works at the White House doesn't bring home notes -- and they say ‘no no,’ and then about the third visit they say, 'Yeah, I might have something upstairs,' and then they come down with three boxes,” he said.

“In the CIA, they tell people to ‘let the silence suck out the truth,’ so, just be quiet and people want to talk,” he added.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bob-woodward-reveals-shocked-trump-boo
k/story?id=57739343


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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.

Links please
Quote:

How do I know?
I don't know ... how DO you know? LINKS PLEASE

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All of them failed! What does that tell you?
I had no idea that there were seven. SEVEN! My gosh! They failed so absolutely I didn't even know they existed!!!

Any explanation that doesn't account for Paronto's recollection that they were told to STAND DOWN multiple times, and that this was a pre-planned and well-coordinated attack (according to the DIA) is a whitewash.

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:06 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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First: way to misdirect with Obama, Clinton and Benghazi - Yahtzee!
Plus: Great mischaracterization of what Obama was talking about specifically. Obama was talking about the 7 attempts to hang Benghazi on Hillary Clinton. That was the conspiracy - which it clearly was.

Links please
Quote:

How do I know?
I don't know ... how DO you know? LINKS PLEASE



How do I link to "common f*cking sense?" What's your theory? He was admitting to there being a cover up, because that makes sense!

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

All of them failed! What does that tell you?
I had no idea that there were seven. SEVEN! My gosh! They failed so absolutely I didn't even know they existed!!!



Explains a lot!

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Any explanation that doesn't account for Paronto's recollection that they were told to STAND DOWN multiple times, and that this was a pre-planned and well-coordinated attack (according to the DIA) is a whitewash.



How would any of us here know the what or the why of those orders if they were given the way he recollects? 7 failed investigations - maybe you think there should be 7 more?

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:18 AM

REAVERFAN


"Deep state." Are there lizard people, too? LOL!

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:42 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


The op-ed and the Woodward book have led to new levels of suspicion among his staff, many of whom were already at odds with each other. Trump wants a criminal investigation into the matter.

This sort of paranoia and backbiting is the direct result of Trump's management style. He's made no secret of the fact that he likes to watch his advisers fight it out over policy. He also purposely plays favorites and seems to change his views on people at the drop of a hat. John Kelly was going to bring order to the White House as chief of staff. Then Kelly was on the outs because he was limiting Trump's ability to be himself. Then Trump said Kelly had agreed to stay on as chief of staff for the entirety of his presidency. Then Kelly might be the person who wrote the op-ed. And on and on and on.

This sort of snake-pit environment is what Trump knows best. In business, he often would play top aides off against one another under the belief, according to him, that it brought out the best in everyone involved. In his previous life as a reality TV producer/star, the snake pit was ratings gold.

Drama is a very good thing in reality TV. When trying to, you know, run the country, drama is a less-good thing. Drama distracts. Everyone. From doing their job.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 12:48 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing.

Donald Trump Jr. expressed concern Tuesday about the dwindling number of White House staffers loyal to his father, who has railed about an anonymous op-ed by a senior administration official who painted a grim picture of the president.

“I think there are people in there that he can trust, it’s just — it’s a much smaller group than I would like it to be,” Trump Jr., 40, said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

“It would be easier to get things done if you’re able to fully trust everyone around you,” he added. “I think that’s a shame.”

Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House. Trump is not most presidents. Everything we know about Trump suggests that he will not rest until he has a name or names to blame. It's who he is. And you don't change who you are suddenly at age 72 and as the President of the United States.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing. -SECOND
Your bias is showing. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.


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Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House.- SECOND
Most Presidents would promise their constituents anything to get elected, and then quickly revert to doing whatever the establishment/deep state wanted them to do.

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Trump is not most presidents.-SECOND
WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.

Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises.

NPR had an interesting interview with a bookwriter who went on a Greyhound bus trip from NYC to LA, in order to get a sense of what his main character would find when he took his fictional trip across the country. (A review of the book is here https://www.npr.org/2018/09/04/644546989/lake-success-offers-a-roadsid
e-view-of-america-on-the-verge-of-trump
). What the AUTHOR found, in his trip across the country was this ...

Quote:

Well, first of all, people told me that - in so many ways, people told me they were incredibly dissatisfied with their lives... There was no happiness to be found, except in very small doses. But I also learned that a lot of our country is very, very angry.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645818891/leaving-billions-behind-in-la
ke-success
Now, I know that you'll point to "racism" as the cause, but really ... "racism" was not as much of an issue until people got badly hurt, financially, and STAYED financially vulnerable. They were willing to overlook "race" (or even hail it as a positive indicator) when they voted for Obama. The slowly declining middle class went off a cliff in 2008. But then DEMS - including Obama - failed to heed the warnings, and instead of FIXING THE PROBLEM went off in a fugue of divisive identity politics. You followed them, and you're still stuck in it.


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 2:50 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Hey Siggy, do you smell a conspiracy? Deep State? Easter Bunny?


sgg


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Saddam has WMD!!! Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!

Or, employ a little bit of skepticism. A book filled with gossip, released two months before the elections? Gee, whooda thunk?

Personally, I'd ignore everything that was anonymously sourced, and only pay attention to statements with names attached. At least you can follow up with that.



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 2:54 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Atta girl Siggy, By George she's got it, I think she's got it.
You have mastered the art of Trumpism. Deflect and dodge, with a side order
of deny.


sgg


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

If the president can use anon sources then why can't the press?
He does? I guess I pay so little attention that I don't even know when it happened.

Gossip: Somebody (Woodward) said that somebody (anonymous) said.


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 2:57 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Right next to the Hilary trashing section....imagine that!


sgg


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Originally posted by whozit:
ANOTHER Trump trashing book, they should have a section at book stores just for them.


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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:46 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SECOND, it's not Woodward and his "source" it's Woodward and his (mostly) anonymous sources. So first of all, I don't trust anonymous sources.

And his NAMED sources all deny that they ever said anything like what's in his book. How do you account for that? What good does it do to print someone's statement, only to have it denied by the very person who supposedly said it?

I agree with SIX: Ever since Trump got elected, it's been nonstop bullshit from the M$M. (Oh, and from you too.) And it's no surprise that the criticism would ramp up two months before the mid-terms. This is not honest reporting. The RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!! narrative failed; this obviously just a different tack, timed to drive Trump from office. .

Don't mistake my criticism of the M$M as a defense of Trump, because there's a lot to criticize on their side, mostly their dishonesty. SIGNY

You have now become the funniest poster on this forum - really - the sh*t you post is hilarious. What we see from you on a daily basis is you saying something is true without any proof or even any honest attempts at basic logic. You just say something is true and that's it.

For instance:

"As I posted, the Trump administration is cloaked in unpredictability; and I think this is deliberate."

Really? All of this deliberate? The resignations as well? The guilty pleas all right on schedule? What a strategy!

I'll get to this later.



Aw damn SIGGY, you didn't "get to this later" like you said you would and just like I predicted. It was just another dodge - Sad!

You definitely are a student of Trump's moves/lies - new idol? The friend of my friend is my friend?

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


One of these days, we might stop swimming in hyperbole.

I still hold out hope.


At least 90% of the people in the country don't really give a shit about any of this and the Looney Toons are pretty much only found on the Internet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:21 AM

REAVERFAN


Woodward's book just confirms what the Times op-ed said, but in more detail.

Republicans are great at cheating their way into office. They know how to get elected.

They DON'T know how to govern.


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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Is he stupid, or is he evil.

Pick one.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:27 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Pres. Trump's paranoia is showing. -SECOND
Your bias is showing. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.


Quote:

Most presidents would seek to calm the roiling waters of their White House.- SECOND
Most Presidents would promise their constituents anything to get elected, and then quickly revert to doing whatever the establishment/deep state wanted them to do.

Quote:

Trump is not most presidents.-SECOND
WHICH IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.

Your extreme anti-GOP bias prevents you from seeing the obvious, SECOND ... the middle class has been sucked dry for decades and people are ANGRY. They don't want "more of the same", they've HAD "more of the same" and yanno what? It's just not working for them. They want results, not a flim-flam man (or woman) tossing out empty promises.

NPR had an interesting interview with a bookwriter who went on a Greyhound bus trip from NYC to LA, in order to get a sense of what his main character would find when he took his fictional trip across the country. (A review of the book is here https://www.npr.org/2018/09/04/644546989/lake-success-offers-a-roadsid
e-view-of-america-on-the-verge-of-trump
). What the AUTHOR found, in his trip across the country was this ...

Quote:

Well, first of all, people told me that - in so many ways, people told me they were incredibly dissatisfied with their lives... There was no happiness to be found, except in very small doses. But I also learned that a lot of our country is very, very angry.
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/08/645818891/leaving-billions-behind-in-la
ke-success
Now, I know that you'll point to "racism" as the cause, but really ... "racism" was not as much of an issue until people got badly hurt, financially, and STAYED financially vulnerable. They were willing to overlook "race" (or even hail it as a positive indicator) when they voted for Obama. The slowly declining middle class went off a cliff in 2008. But then DEMS - including Obama - failed to heed the warnings, and instead of FIXING THE PROBLEM went off in a fugue of divisive identity politics. You followed them, and you're still stuck in it.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

How to answer? Maybe with an example of how politics cannot possibly do what Signym wants it to do because American voters are who they are. Pick a problem, say, raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. The majority of American voters, D or R or I, would be opposed. It is a minority of voters, the poorly paid, who will get any benefit from raising the minimum. That is why neither party is for raising it high and immediately.

Take another example: Spending too much money on the military. The majority of American voters are fearful that their lives will be put into jeopardy if spending is lowered. (I’m not afraid, but that is me) The majority of voters have never traveled to any place the U.S. military or the CIA have destabilized. (I have.) The majority will never touch the blood of those who the military or CIA hurt or kill. (I have seen them hurt and kill.) The result is that both parties keep voting for increasing military spending because the majority of voters don’t care about any harm the military does. We’ve got to Support the Troops, you know! The Troops Keep Us Free! You've all have heard the bullshit.

Take health care as another problem. The majority of voters are getting to the doctor. The majority does not care what happens to those who can’t afford to go. That’s why Obamacare is in trouble. The majority don’t give a damn about people without health care.

That is why many things are broken in America. You can’t get the majority of voters to make up their goddamn minds to fix anything. They don't care, they don't want to spend their money, they don't know what to do, they always have an excuse for doing nothing for anybody but themselves.

In a two party system, if the majority of voters don’t care or can’t decide, the problem won’t be fixed. But there is a solution! Sorry that Constitution makes the solution impossible.

In a three party system, for example, a Parliamentary system, a passionate minority can get a change. (This is the theory, but in practice many Parliaments fail, too. Or even worse, the passionate minority wants something truly terrible.) If an American Parliament was split 45% D and 45% R, the 10% in the hypothetical $20 Party ($20 per hour in 2020!) that is passionate about raising the minimum wage to $20 would have tremendous power. They join either D or R faction in exchange for a promise to raise the minimum to $20. Neither D or R want to raise the minimum, but if they want to rule, one or the other will have to give in to the passionate minority.

But it is not gonna happen here in America. I expect to never see the end to turmoil and unsolved problems. Or, maybe I will be surprised if a majority of voters finally make up their minds on how they want to solve problems, rather than just continue to vote between the equivalent of the “I Don’t Know” party and the “I Don’t Care” party.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND, you have a warped view of Americans. Like here, you don't see people for who they really are, you're just arguing with the "Texas Republican" cardboard cutout that you have in your head. Maybe you should get out of Texas once in a while.

Quote:

Pick a problem, say, raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour. The majority of American voters, D or R or I, would be opposed. It is a minority of voters, the poorly paid, who will get any benefit from raising the minimum. That is why neither party is for raising it high and immediately. - SECOND
Of course, not raising the minimum wage has nothing to with the fact that big business has a stranglehold on Congress??

If people were so opposed to a minimum wage increase, then none of the states would ever increase their minimum wage, and yet this year alone, 18 states have increased their minimum wage.
https://www.inc.com/huffington-post/minimum-wage-changes-new-law-2018.
html


In fact
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Minimum wage bumps tend to be popular with the general public, with support often crossing partisan lines. A HuffPost YouGov poll last year found that more than half of all Americans thought a minimum wage raise would be good for workers, while only a third thought it would be a bad idea. The backing was greatest -- and most bipartisan -- for a modest hike to $10.10, as opposed to a bolder raise to $15.



Quote:

Take another example: Spending too much money on the military. The majority of American voters are fearful that their lives will be put into jeopardy if spending is lowered. (I’m not afraid, but that is me) The majority of voters have never traveled to any place the U.S. military or the CIA have destabilized. (I have.) The majority will never touch the blood of those who the military or CIA hurt or kill. (I have seen them hurt and kill.) The result is that both parties keep voting for increasing military spending because the majority of voters don’t care about any harm the military does. We’ve got to Support the Troops, you know! The Troops Keep Us Free! You've all have heard the bullshit.
WHO spouts that bullshit endlessly??
THE MEDIA.
SECOND, if you were old enough to volunteer for Vietnam that makes you maybe two or three years older than me. So you've lived long enough to see the hype and bullshit that precedes every one of our "interventions" ...
NORIEGA IS A BIG BAD TYRANT DRUG RUNNER!
CUBA IS SETTING UP A BASE ON GRENADA!!
BABIES IN INCUBATORS!

Surely, you couldn't have missed the orgy of fear-mongering that preceded the second Iraq invasion??
WMD!!
9-11!!
MUSHROOM CLOUD!!
BIOWEAPONS!
YELLOW CAKE!

Once the media stops thumping for war, Americans go back to being a lot more relaxed about the world. One of the reasons why people voted for Obama instead of Hillary is because one of the FEW things that Obama could point to in his rather skimpy voting record is that he voted AGAINST the Iraq war, while Hillary voted FOR it. One of the reasons why some people voted for Trump is because he too seemed to promise an end to our endless wars. Americans aren't a bloodthirsty lot, but they're driven mad by the media.


Where I fault most Americans is that they NEVER SEEM TO LEARN. They are, for the most part, honest and trusting of our government and the media, and can't imagine that our government and media would construct and maintain such giant, whopping, 100% bullshit. long-term falsehoods. That our government and especially the media have concocted an alternate reality ... where people are all detectives or lawyers or corporate executives and live in fancy NYC apartments, and everyone is having more fun and has more money than they do, and if you don't live in that media fantasy then you're a "deplorable". But then, Americans are conditioned by "the media" (advertising and entertainment) not to think critically about ... well, anything.

BTW - That's how I characterize the RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! RUSSIA!! media blitz. Ten years from now, a lot of people will look back and realize that they were fooled, just like now most people realize they were tricked about Iraq.

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Take health care as another problem. The majority of voters are getting to the doctor. The majority does not care what happens to those who can’t afford to go. That’s why Obamacare is in trouble. The majority don’t give a damn about people without health care.
Not true. A majority (almost 60%) are for a "Medicare for all" plan. https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-medicare-for-all-public-option-be
rnie-sanders-plan-support-2018-3
I think what people are tired of is the endless hype, bullshit, and complications that arise when a healthcare plan tries to accommodate the "business interests" of the insurances and big pharma, leading to an endless bleeding into the coffers of big business. And btw... WHO took "Medicare for all" off the table?? Obama.

People KNOW they're getting scammed, SECOND, and they've been let down by both Republicans AND Democrats. They may be misled by the M$M for a while, but the facts of their daily lives eventually lead them back to something approaching reality.
Which is where YOU need to go.

"The problem" isn't sourced in the American people; it's sourced in our corrupt government and even more corrupt media. Americans SHOULD stop drowning in the disinformation that they're flooded with every day, but when they do ... they're called "Russian trolls".


And hey, believe it or not ... I'm on your side of most issues. We just disagree on how to get there.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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