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The Mid-Term Elections 2018

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Friday, March 9, 2018 12:56 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I just got another one of those stupid fucking brainless "surveys" from a Democrat yesterday,



Your delusions have no limits.



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Friday, March 9, 2018 2:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This November 6 all House Representatives, or their seats, will face reelection. And about 1/3 of the 100 Senators, currently scheduled to be 34. Minnesota has the rare event that both Senate seats are up for Election.

It would be nice if we could keep this thread focused on this Election analysis, discussion or predictions.



The 34 Senate seats include 8 Republican seats, 24 Democrat seats, and 2 Independent seats, who caucus with Democrats.




SENATE - currently 51 R, 47 D, 2 I.
8 REPUBLICAN
3 Republican Senators are retiring, in AZ, TN, UT. Utah considered safe R. Arizona could be tossup after RINO Flake. Tennessee likely to replace RINO Corker with more solid R.
WY, TX, NE, MS expect no change.
Nevada could be a tossup.


24 DEMOCRAT - none are seeking retirement.
14 Expect no change: CA, CT, DE, HI, MD, MA, MI, MN (1), NJ, NM, NY, RI, WA, VA
4 Possible flip: FL, MN (1), OH, WI
6 Tossup: IN, MO, MT, ND, PA, WV


2 INDEPENDENT
Maine - might be tossup
Vermont - expected to remain Sanders.


So, Democrats could easily lose 11 Senators. Or they might flip 2, but certainly still lose the total count.


HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Seems to be 194 Democrat seats to 241 Republican seats. But currently 193 D seats and 238 R seats are held, with 4 vacant.
Looks like in the last midterms 2014 GOP gained 13 seats, and in 2016 Dems gained back 6 seats. 2010 midterms GOP gained 63 House seats.


What particular races do you find interesting?


So what other contests are on your radar? And how might they effect the balance in Congress?


Summary so far:
Cheri Bustos D-IL is likely to flip to GOP. Got it.

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Friday, March 9, 2018 2:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Midterm primary fight kicks off for control of Congress

"Texas is the nation's bellwether right now," Tariq Thowfeek, communications director for the Texas Democratic Party, told NPR. "It's a good gauge of the incredible progressive energy we have across the country in a state that is ranked at the bottom of the barrel in voter turnout."

More Democrats showed up at the polls than Republicans in early voting in Texas from Feb. 20-27, a departure from previous election years. More than 250,000 Democrats voted early in the state, eclipsing their early voting in 2016, when a presidential election usually boosts participation.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/03/06/Midterm-primary-fight-kicks
-off-for-control-of-Congress/1321520280550
/

So far the democrats show a 105% increase in turnout over the last elections. The republicans, 15%. This doesn't mean that Texas is going to flip in any significate way, but it does show intense determination on the part of the democrats.

Knowing Texas is fast becoming an migrant state it is only a matter of time.

T

That matter of time was apparently not Primaries 2018.

Yes. Early, Often, and Everywhere Voting is a tried and true method of Voting Fraud, practiced only by Democrats and other Criminals.

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Friday, March 9, 2018 2:10 PM

THGRRI


JSF you claim Cheri Bustos D-IL is going to flip and become republican. I see no source to back this up. Let me guess, zerohedge...


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Friday, March 9, 2018 3:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
JSF you claim Cheri Bustos D-IL is going to flip and become republican. I see no source to back this up. Let me guess, zerohedge...

T

You disagree with Rep Himes (D-CT), as quoted in SIG's post? He was answering question from Washington Post clown on PMSNBC Morning Schmoe.
Do tell, how will Bustos retain her seat?

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Friday, March 9, 2018 3:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

What do I have to do to get off the DNC's tele/marketing list??? Re-register as an Independent, and leave a big fat middle finger behind???



I'm fairly certain that you're on it for life. My grandma hasn't donated to the RNC for 20 years yet they're always asking her for money and sending her surveys she doesn't fill out.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 9, 2018 3:53 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
JSF you claim Cheri Bustos D-IL is going to flip and become republican. I see no source to back this up. Let me guess, zerohedge...

T

You disagree with Rep Himes (D-CT), as quoted in SIG's post? He was answering question from Washington Post clown on PMSNBC Morning Schmoe.
Do tell, how will Bustos retain her seat?



I only saw you post that information. SIG is not quoted at all. Your response still leaves your assertion without a source. Care to correct that or not.


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Friday, March 9, 2018 9:07 PM

JO753

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://time.com/5029752/nancy-pelosi-impeach-trump/ Nancy Pelosi: Impeaching President Trump Would Be a Waste of Time and Energy but this is from back in 11/17/2017. What she thinks now is anybody's guess.



Thanks for pointing that out, I didnt notis the date. Duznt chanje my mind. I filed a disclosure with the FEC to chanje my party from Democrat to Independent (no party).

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 5:38 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Midterm primary fight kicks off for control of Congress

"Texas is the nation's bellwether right now," Tariq Thowfeek, communications director for the Texas Democratic Party, told NPR. "It's a good gauge of the incredible progressive energy we have across the country in a state that is ranked at the bottom of the barrel in voter turnout."

More Democrats showed up at the polls than Republicans in early voting in Texas from Feb. 20-27, a departure from previous election years. More than 250,000 Democrats voted early in the state, eclipsing their early voting in 2016, when a presidential election usually boosts participation.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/03/06/Midterm-primary-fight-kicks
-off-for-control-of-Congress/1321520280550
/

So far the democrats show a 105% increase in turnout over the last elections. The republicans, 15%. This doesn't mean that Texas is going to flip in any significate way, but it does show intense determination on the part of the democrats.

Knowing Texas is fast becoming an migrant state it is only a matter of time.

T

That matter of time was apparently not Primaries 2018.

Yes. Early, Often, and Everywhere Voting is a tried and true method of Voting Fraud, practiced only by Democrats and other Criminals.

Results of Texas Primaries:
Gov - GOP got 60% of votes cast.
Sen - ditto.
Currently 11 Dem Reps, 25 GOP Reps. Most of these look to be staying the same. Might be slugfest in CD-21.
Women Candidates: 5 GOP and 24 Dems have not yet been eliminated. Runoffs will knock out at least 2 Dem women. If no seats change party then all but 4 Dem women will lose, as well as 2 GOP women.
The closest to changing Parties are 23, 25, and 32. All GOP are unlikely to flip in midterm.

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
At least 50 women running for Congress in Texas primaries, a record number

President Donald Trump’s negative comments about Mexican Americans and immigrants — both on the campaign trail and in office — inspired Judy Canales, a Democrat and Latina in Texas, to fulfill a long-held dream to run for Congress.

"How dare he talk about my heritage and my community in that way," Canales said.
A friend's encouragement also helped her make the plunge.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/least-50-women-running-congress-texas-primar
ies-record-170303427--abc-news-topstories.html


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Only 21 women defeated so far in Texas 2018, with the first round of Primaries.

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 3:42 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Breakout of 51 Reps not running for reelection of their seats:
16 Dems, 35 GOP.
Retiring: 9 Dems, 23 GOP.
Running for Gov: 4 Dems, 5 GOP.
Running for Sen: 3 Dems, 7 GOP.



Context: in 2016 Hilliary took CO, MN, IL, WA, CA, OR, NV, NM, VA, HI, MD, DE, NJ, NY, NH, VT, ME, RI, CT, MA.

PA could be less predictable, with newly redrawn Districts, and Liberal/Conservative not conforming to norms nor to in-State counterparts.


Summary:
Likely safe Dems: (11)
AZ-9, HI-1, IL-4, MA-3, MD-6, MI-9, MI-13, NM-1, new PA-2, TX-16, TX-29.
Likely safe GOP: (36)
AZ-8, CA-39, CA-49, FL-6, FL-17, FL-27, ID-1, IN-4, IN-6, KS-2, MI-11, MS-3, NJ-2, NJ-11, NM-2, OH-12, OH-16, OK-1, new PA-5, new PA-7, new PA-9, new PA-11, new PA-14, SC-4, SDAL, TN-2, TN -6, TN-7, TX-2, TX-3, TX-5, TX-6, TX-21, TX-27, VA-6, WA-8, WV-3.
Likely flip to GOP:
NH-1, NV-3, NV-4, (3)
PPossible flip to GOP:
MN-1, MN-8, (2)

Dems need to gain 24 seats from GOP to take House Majority.

I filled in the info for the post of incumbents not running, and reposted the summary here.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:37 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Pennsylvania has had Districts redrawn for this November Elections.

Hard to conjure all of the nuances of the spectrum of the Electorate. Currently there are 5 Dem Districts and 13 GOP. Based upon PVI and midterm trends, the newly drawn Districts will have 5 Dems and 11 GOP, and the remaining 2 are likely GOP in midterm.

I do welcome corrections and insights.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:46 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm guessing there will be no surprises in California. There hasn't been any significant population shift, or district-line redrawing, or ideology shift, that I can see. If anything, both sides are more dug in now than before.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

What do you think about District 44? The incumbent could be Primaried by Compton Mayor Brown, and which of them has the greater chance you f beating Stacey Dash?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 4:17 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


(wiki)
California's 44th congressional district is a congressional district in the U.S. state of California. The district is centered in South Los Angeles and the Los Angeles Harbor Region. It is currently represented by Nanette Barragán.

(wiki)
2008 U.S. President Obama 81 - 15.8%
2010 Governor Brown 77.1 - 15.4%
U.S. Senator Boxer 76.3 - 14.97%
2012 President Obama 84.7 - 13.6%
U.S. Senator Feinstein 84.7 - 15.3%
2016 President Clinton 83.0 - 12.3%
U.S. Senator Harris

I think District 44 is solidly democratic.

California runs the two top vote-getters in the primaries, which means, in this case, two democrats will probably face off in the general election. I don't think Brown will be as electable as Barragán because of "demographics", which I find a regrettable factor. But the other factor is the stink of corruption/ potential corruption in Compton city government, which I find to be a more salient item to hold against any politician.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 5:28 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Sounds like Stacey Dash is running for California's 44th Congressional District.

This district is apparently 69% Hispanic, 15% Black, 8% White, 6% Asian. The elected Representatives have been mostly white for the past 30 years, and women since 2000.
With population 712,000 the vote turnout was 172K in 2016 and almost 69K in 2014, almost 166K in 2012.

Includes Carson, Compton, East & West Rancho Dominguez, Lynwood, North Long Beach, San Pedro, South Gate, Watts, Walnut Park, Willow Brook, Wilmington.

Before 2013, the area was apparently part of the 37th District and mostly 36th District, since 1993.

Since 2000, the White women get 60-85% of the vote, except 2011 in 36th with 55% against a Tea Party candidate.
The 36th voted 48/47% D in 2000, 49/46% R in 1998, 52% D in 96, 48% D in 94 & 92. And voted Schwarzenegger in 2003 & 2006. And 1992 - 2002 voted often 41-51% Dem for Pres & Senator.
The 37th mostly voted 70-85% Dem for Pres, Gov, Sen from 1992-2010.

No GOP ran in 2014, the last midterm, and only midterm with these boundary lines. Looks like no GOP in 2012, 2016 either. Less than half the voters, less than 10% of population, show up in midterm. And part of the mostly Hispanic district voted only 55% for Dem against a Tea Party candidate in 2011.
If Dash can garner some votes, she could prevail when the Dems can't find the Voting booth. The incumbent is white again, maybe the Electorate hungers for a Representative of color?
Brown v Dash would be 2 black women. There are over 700,000 people in the district.

Before 2012 the district numbered 44 was in a different location.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:27 PM

THGRRI


Polls open in western Pennsylvania....Hey democrats...





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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:36 PM

THGRRI

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Regarding the Pennsylvania race:

Quote:

Voters in Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District will pick a replacement on Tuesday for former Representative Tim Murphy, a Republican who resigned last year after reports he encouraged a woman, with whom he had an affair, to have an abortion.


This is pretty hilarious to me. Why do we keep villianizing politicians on either side for their love life?

I wonder what is going to bother Republicans countrywide more about this come result time. The fact that he cheated on his wife, the fact that he encouraged the other woman to have an abortion or the fact that they may have inadvertently put a Democrat in the seat because of their religious judgements and they're not going to hear the end of it for several weeks to come if that's the case.

Bible Thumpers are and endless source of amusement to me. The texts say Judge Not, yet that's all they seem to do, innit?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 9:05 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Regarding the Pennsylvania race:
Quote:

Voters in Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District will pick a replacement on Tuesday for former Representative Tim Murphy, a Republican who resigned last year after reports he encouraged a woman, with whom he had an affair, to have an abortion.
This is pretty hilarious to me. Why do we keep villianizing politicians on either side for their love life?

I wonder what is going to bother Republicans countrywide more about this come result time. The fact that he cheated on his wife, the fact that he encouraged the other woman to have an abortion or the fact that they may have inadvertently put a Democrat in the seat because of their religious judgements and they're not going to hear the end of it for several weeks to come if that's the case.

Bible Thumpers are and endless source of amusement to me. The texts say Judge Not, yet that's all they seem to do, innit?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Polls were supposed to close about an hour ago, so now Democraps are feverishly stuffing ballot boxes.

To be clear, this is a Special Election decided today. Not a midterm, which will be decided in November.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol...

And now the country waits with bated breath for the next 5 hours while they tally up the last 1 or 2% of the vote so the MSM can get plenty of commercials in while they speculate.

/sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

And now the country waits with bated breath for the next 5 hours while they tally up the last 1 or 2% of the vote so the MSM can get plenty of commercials in while they speculate.

/sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I did not realize the Democraps outspent GOP 5-1 for this race. And it looks like neither candidate will get 50% of the vote.

Going into today, MSM said Lamb would win by a 5% margin.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:57 PM

THGRRI


I believe the dems were out spent about 8 to 1 by the GOP JSG. For once try and post the truth.

On the democrats list of easiest to win seats in 2018, this one isn't even close. It rates 115th. One being the easiest and 115 being the hardest. That means the democrat should not even be close. Yet here we are.


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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:47 AM

THGRRI


Democrat claims victory. We'll see if it holds up throughout the night.



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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 1:13 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
>Democrat claims victory. We'll see if it holds up throughout the night.

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They needed to claim victory then. The remaining Wards they are waiting for are heavily Republican leaning.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:59 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
>Democrat claims victory. We'll see if it holds up throughout the night.

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They needed to claim victory then. The remaining Wards they are waiting for are heavily Republican leaning.



He has now been declared the apparent winner. There aren't enough uncounted votes to change that. Plus, some of those outstanding, few hundred votes will be his.

Oops...



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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:09 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Today the political class has started an autopsy of the Pennsylvania race — assessing Lamb’s strength as a candidate and his opponent, Rick Saccone’s, relative weaknesses. This same cycle has played out before this year: The morning after a race we pick it apart to see what happened. It’s an understandable urge.

But these races aren’t happening in isolation. The same dynamics are playing out over and over. And Republicans, especially, are desperately trying to interpret events as isolated campaigns gone awry. Instead of being terrified for scandal-free GOP incumbents holding down seats that Trump won by mere single-digits, they’re staying the course. It’s one of the signature aspects of the Republican Party in recent years — they resolutely refuse to act like they’re afraid of anything.

This all might be good news for Democrats and political pros, but it’s a terrible sign for America.

The Trump-era GOP’s bizarre synthesis

Right up until Election Day 2016, Trump and congressional Republicans had a deeply uneasy relationship.

On the one hand, Trump viewed the overarching political philosophy of the GOP with barely concealed disdain and mused aloud as a candidate about the merits of universal health care and taxing the rich while promising to preserve Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid from cuts.

He suggested he’d be tougher on the banks than Hillary Clinton and vowed to preserve basic clean air and clean water protections even while rolling back Obama’s actions on climate change. Paired with an amped-up and heavily racialized version of cultural conservatism, this apparent ideological heterodoxy helped Trump score unprecedented success with working-class white voters.

And make no mistake — Trump was seen by the voters as the most moderate GOP nominee since Gerald Ford, positioned as slightly closer to the center than Bill Clinton in 1992. [Personally, from my experience with Trump-like businessmen in Texas, I believed Trump was lying about being in the center. I saw him as similar to any wealthy Texas Republican who says what he needs to get what he wants.]

At the same time, congressional Republicans viewed Trump as a dangerous figure, with nearly one-third of the Senate GOP caucus refusing to commit to voting for him and House Speaker Paul Ryan famously proclaiming in October 2016 that he would no longer defend or campaign with Trump.

Despite the internal tension and the 2-point popular vote loss, Trump emerged victorious in 2016; the way was clear for a potential juggernaut moving forward. If the GOP could adopt Trump’s ideological synthesis while backing away from Trump’s most disreputable personal qualities they’d be positioned to do extremely well.

But instead they’ve done the opposite.
Trump behaves as flagrantly inappropriately as ever but now the entire party is complicit in it. In exchange, they’ve gotten Trump to largely drop his eclectic policy approach in favor of a less-popular hard-right agenda. And now they’re prepared to lose everywhere.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/14/17118858/pa-18-results-conor
-lamb


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:58 AM

THGRRI


I disagree second. Many Republicans have chosen to retire. This Pennsylvania race is going to push more into doing so.

We need more of these outrageous gerrymandered districts fixed.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:22 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I disagree second. Many Republicans have chosen to retire. This Pennsylvania race is going to push more into doing so.

We need more of these outrageous gerrymandered districts fixed.

Senator Jeff Flake from Arizona is also retiring. He made a speech condemning Trump, but he has never stopped voting for every single thing Trump wants. It is crazy for Flake's speech to contradict his votes approving of Trump's priorities, but he does it anyway. The GOP Congressmen aren't acting as if they have any commonsense, including the ones who are retiring.

www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/full-text-jeff-flake-on-trump-speech
-transcript-343246


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:30 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I disagree second. Many Republicans have chosen to retire. This Pennsylvania race is going to push more into doing so.

We need more of these outrageous gerrymandered districts fixed.

Senator Jeff Flake from Arizona is also retiring. He made a speech condemning Trump, but he has never stopped voting for every single thing Trump wants. It is crazy for Flake's speech to contradict his votes approving of Trump's priorities, but he does it anyway. The GOP Congressmen aren't acting as if they have any commonsense, including the ones who are retiring.




He is still a republican and votes as one. What he did and does is call Trump out for his outrageous behavior. On issues like Trumps attacks on the media or working with democrats on immigration. His doing that is costing him a shot at reelection. For that he deserves our thanks. It is, a profile in courage.


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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:37 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I disagree second. Many Republicans have chosen to retire. This Pennsylvania race is going to push more into doing so.

We need more of these outrageous gerrymandered districts fixed.

Senator Jeff Flake from Arizona is also retiring. He made a speech condemning Trump, but he has never stopped voting for every single thing Trump wants. It is crazy for Flake's speech to contradict his votes approving of Trump's priorities, but he does it anyway. The GOP Congressmen aren't acting as if they have any commonsense, including the ones who are retiring.




He is still a republican and votes as one. What he did and does is call Trump out for his outrageous behavior. On issues like Trumps attacks on the media or working with democrats on immigration. His doing that is costing him a shot at reelection. For that he deserves our thanks. It is, a profile in courage.

Senator Flake is a Mormon. He is suppose to have some principles that resonate with other Mormons, even if not with the majority of GOP voters. The typical Texas GOP voters don't have anything that looks like a principle to me, if you exclude ill will, greed, racism, and general bitterness/vindictiveness as principles. Those look to me to be character traits shared by most Republicans.

A real profile in courage is to vote against Trump. Maybe politicians believe Voters mostly pay attention to what politicians say and not to how they act? It takes some significant mental effort by Voters to know what a politician is really doing on the job, especially when it is so effortlessly easy to put up a smokescreen of words to hide behind. Maybe that explains the crazy, contradictory behavior of politicians?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 12:41 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I disagree second. Many Republicans have chosen to retire. This Pennsylvania race is going to push more into doing so.

We need more of these outrageous gerrymandered districts fixed.

Senator Jeff Flake from Arizona is also retiring. He made a speech condemning Trump, but he has never stopped voting for every single thing Trump wants. It is crazy for Flake's speech to contradict his votes approving of Trump's priorities, but he does it anyway. The GOP Congressmen aren't acting as if they have any commonsense, including the ones who are retiring.




He is still a republican and votes as one. What he did and does is call Trump out for his outrageous behavior. On issues like Trumps attacks on the media or working with democrats on immigration. His doing that is costing him a shot at reelection. For that he deserves our thanks. It is, a profile in courage.

A real profile in courage is to vote against Trump. Maybe politicians believe Voters mostly pay attention to what politicians say and not to how they act? It takes some significant mental effort by Voters to know what a politician is really doing on the job, especially when it is so effortlessly easy to put up a smokescreen of words to hide behind. Maybe that explains the crazy, contradictory behavior of politicians?




If it weren't for the democrats practicing identity politics we wouldn't have Trump in the first place. I'm hoping for better not perfection. Politicians are an easy target and we can get caught up in that.


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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 1:07 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

If it weren't for the democrats practicing identity politics we wouldn't have Trump in the first place. I'm hoping for better not perfection. Politicians are an easy target and we can get caught up in that.

It is the GOP that plays identity politics. My typical Texas GOP voter (I live in Baytown) : “I never liked that half-wit nigger Obama who can’t talk without a teleprompter. And I really hate that cunt Hillary (I know a LOT of divorced guys hating their exes). Then there are all those goddamn queers and Mex-skins in the Demo-crap party.” Maybe the guys I hang out with are more extreme than the Republican voters in your part of the USA. But the Democratic party I am familiar with can’t really change to being the all-white no-identity-politics Fundamentalist party that will appeal to the average GOP Texan and recognizably still be the Democratic Party.

Do I need to mention it requires many beers before a Texas Republican starts speaking their innermost truths? Me? I don't drink more than one beer a week.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 1:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think that GOPers here should remember that DEMOCRATS are NOT YOUR ENEMY. It very much depends on what the person ran on.

Conor Lamb not only said that he wouldn't support Pelosi,
Quote:

A hand-picked Democratic nominee running in a Pennsylvania special election in March said Monday morning that he wouldn't support Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) if elected.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/democrat-special-election-nominee-conor
-lamb-goes-anti-pelosi
/

he is a pro-gun https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/conor-lamb-guns-gun-control-position/ anti-abortion Democrat who is also for

jobs
infrastructural reinvestment
unions
https://conorlamb.com/priorities/

Although I disagree with some of his positions, he's closer to my leanings than the GOP.

Lamb is a young, photogenic campaigner. Saccone is an older guy with a history of being against unions, in a highly union-friendly state. Like all politicians, we should watch Lamb's commitment to his stated core issues once he gets in Congress. The power structure of both parties rewards followers with plum committee appointments and re-election assistance. Many a fiery candidate has gotten into office only to soften and eventually be re-molded into the shape of their party's money-handlers. If that happens, it merely (and once again) demonstrates the necessity of third, fourth, and fifth parties.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 1:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

If it weren't for the democrats practicing identity politics we wouldn't have Trump in the first place. I'm hoping for better not perfection. Politicians are an easy target and we can get caught up in that.

It is the GOP that plays identity politics. My typical Texas GOP voter (I live in Baytown) : “I never liked that half-wit nigger Obama who can’t talk without a teleprompter. And I really hate that cunt Hillary who worked for him. Then there are all those goddamn queers and Mex-skins in the Demo-crap party.” Maybe the guys I hang out with are more extreme than the Republican voters in your part of the USA. But the Democratic party I am familiar with can’t really change to being the all-white no-identity-politics Fundamentalist party that will appeal to the average GOP Texan and recognizably still be the Democratic Party.




Yes, the republicans practice bigoted and racist identity politics. In Texas and elsewhere, everywhere. However, the democratic party does as well. Those counties in Pennsylvania, the rust belt and Appalachians during the presidential elections, were democratic long before they became Trump country.

They changed parties because they were abandoned by the democrats. Over the years they endured being blamed from within their own party, for all the ills of the minorities as their own communities were ravaged by outsourcing and neglect. Neglect by the democrats who sought out the minority vote in the cities while the suburbs deteriorated. They became sick of it.

They started to flip republican in the 90's. It's time for the democrats to start appealing to them by speaking to them once again.



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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 2:05 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Yes, the republicans practice bigoted and racist identity politics. In Texas and elsewhere, everywhere. However, the democratic party does as well. Those counties in Pennsylvania, the rust belt and Appalachians during the presidential elections, were democratic long before they became Trump country.

They changed parties because they were abandoned by the democrats. Over the years they endured being blamed from within their own party, for all the ills of the minorities as their own communities were ravaged by outsourcing and neglect. Neglect by the democrats who sought out the minority vote in the cities while the suburbs deteriorated. They became sick of it.

They started to flip republican in the 90's. It's time for the democrats to start appealing to them by speaking to them once again.

I’ve heard that argument in Texas and I am calling it bullshit. Somebody wrote the explanation:

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/which-party-has-been-better-for
-the-white-working-class
/

While we wait for Pennsylvania election results…

Over at Vox, Sean Illing interviews Robert Wuthnow, a Princeton sociologist who has talked to hundreds of people in small towns across the country and recently published The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America. Why, Illing asks, do small-town folks think that Washington is threatening their way of life? According to Wuthnow, it’s not because of economic stagnation:

WUTHNOW: A lot of it is just scapegoating. And that’s why you see more xenophobia and racism in these communities. There’s a sense that things are going badly, and the impulse is to blame “others.”…They recognize that the federal government controls vast resources, and they feel threatened if they perceive Washington’s interest being directed more toward urban areas than rural areas, or toward immigrants more than non-immigrants, or toward minority populations instead of the traditional white Anglo population.

ILLING: But that’s just racism and cultural resentment, and calling it a manifestation of some deeper anxiety doesn’t alter that fact.

WUTHNOW: I don’t disagree with that. I’m just explaining what I heard from people on the ground in these communities. This is what they believe, what they say, not what I believe.

This is a political problem for Democrats: if small-town residents were driven by economic concerns, there might be something they could do to help. Larry Summers, for example, argues for a sort of Marshall Plan for distressed areas of the country. The problem is that it’s unclear if it would do Democrats any good. Take a look at this chart of blue-collar earnings:

To see the chart, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE ARGUMENT, go to www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/which-party-has-been-better-for
-the-white-working-class
/

The 1979-80 drop in blue-collar earnings was one of the reasons Ronald Reagan crushed Jimmy Carter in the 1980 election, but the Reagan Democrats who helped put him in office got nothing in return. Since then, two Democratic presidents have delivered good wage growth for blue-collar workers, while a Republican president delivered an enormous recession. And yet, many white—and only white—working-class voters continue to be loyal Republicans. Democrats have been pretty good for these folks, but it hasn’t translated into reliable votes.

This suggests that Wuthnow is right. But if the real problem among the white working class is anxiety over blacks and immigrants and changing cultural mores, that’s no better. These are core principles that liberals just aren’t willing to compromise about.

Either way, Democrats have a big problem if they need to win votes among these folks.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 2:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Did the Conservative Democrat anti-Pelosi anti-abortion pro-gun Lamb win by 5% like the MSM said he would?

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:02 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Yes, the republicans practice bigoted and racist identity politics. In Texas and elsewhere, everywhere. However, the democratic party does as well. Those counties in Pennsylvania, the rust belt and Appalachians during the presidential elections, were democratic long before they became Trump country.

They changed parties because they were abandoned by the democrats. Over the years they endured being blamed from within their own party, for all the ills of the minorities as their own communities were ravaged by outsourcing and neglect. Neglect by the democrats who sought out the minority vote in the cities while the suburbs deteriorated. They became sick of it.

They started to flip republican in the 90's. It's time for the democrats to start appealing to them by speaking to them once again.

I’ve heard that argument in Texas and I am calling it bullshit. Somebody wrote the explanation:

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/which-party-has-been-better-for
-the-white-working-class
/

While we wait for Pennsylvania election results…

Over at Vox, Sean Illing interviews Robert Wuthnow, a Princeton sociologist who has talked to hundreds of people in small towns across the country and recently published The Left Behind: Decline and Rage in Rural America. Why, Illing asks, do small-town folks think that Washington is threatening their way of life? According to Wuthnow, it’s not because of economic stagnation:

WUTHNOW: A lot of it is just scapegoating. And that’s why you see more xenophobia and racism in these communities. There’s a sense that things are going badly, and the impulse is to blame “others.”…They recognize that the federal government controls vast resources, and they feel threatened if they perceive Washington’s interest being directed more toward urban areas than rural areas, or toward immigrants more than non-immigrants, or toward minority populations instead of the traditional white Anglo population.

ILLING: But that’s just racism and cultural resentment, and calling it a manifestation of some deeper anxiety doesn’t alter that fact.

WUTHNOW: I don’t disagree with that. I’m just explaining what I heard from people on the ground in these communities. This is what they believe, what they say, not what I believe.

This is a political problem for Democrats: if small-town residents were driven by economic concerns, there might be something they could do to help. Larry Summers, for example, argues for a sort of Marshall Plan for distressed areas of the country. The problem is that it’s unclear if it would do Democrats any good. Take a look at this chart of blue-collar earnings:

To see the chart, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE ARGUMENT, go to www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/which-party-has-been-better-for
-the-white-working-class
/

The 1979-80 drop in blue-collar earnings was one of the reasons Ronald Reagan crushed Jimmy Carter in the 1980 election, but the Reagan Democrats who helped put him in office got nothing in return. Since then, two Democratic presidents have delivered good wage growth for blue-collar workers, while a Republican president delivered an enormous recession. And yet, many white—and only white—working-class voters continue to be loyal Republicans. Democrats have been pretty good for these folks, but it hasn’t translated into reliable votes.

This suggests that Wuthnow is right. But if the real problem among the white working class is anxiety over blacks and immigrants and changing cultural mores, that’s no better. These are core principles that liberals just aren’t willing to compromise about.

Either way, Democrats have a big problem if they need to win votes among these folks.




Bullshit to you second, not to me. I read it in books at the university from which I recently graduated. You'd like to know my professors would call what I said bigoted and agree with you. They were Black, Native American, Puerto Rican and clueless as to the double standard they practiced while describing, yes judging Whites.

Even so, what I claim was collaborated in the books I was assigned to read. Know that I agree with the wants of the minority. However when they speak, they say White people this and White people that. As though it was all of my culture that was corrupted, bigoted.

My teachers were oblivious to the concept of tribalism and how it applied to their culture as well. Oblivious to the fact that all the gains they've made were actively supported by multitudes of Whites. That they need to stop generalizing Whites when describing the bad or bigoted ones. All it would take is for them to start saying some Whites, instead of just saying Whites. Fist they would have to realize their own anger to see how it has bigoted them against Whites in general.



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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:15 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Did the Conservative Democrat anti-Pelosi anti-abortion pro-gun Lamb win by 5% like the MSM said he would?





You quoting Paul Ryan will be answered when he retires or is beaten in the coming elections. As for 5 percent, 1 more vote means democrats win and the republicans lose. The democrat by the way in overall terms was a 20% underdog. There's your 5%.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 4:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think that GOPers here should remember that DEMOCRATS are NOT YOUR ENEMY. It very much depends on what the person ran on.

Conor Lamb not only said that he wouldn't support Pelosi,
Quote:

A hand-picked Democratic nominee running in a Pennsylvania special election in March said Monday morning that he wouldn't support Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) if elected.
http://freebeacon.com/politics/democrat-special-election-nominee-conor
-lamb-goes-anti-pelosi
/

he is a pro-gun https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/conor-lamb-guns-gun-control-position/ anti-abortion Democrat who is also for

jobs
infrastructural reinvestment
unions
https://conorlamb.com/priorities/

Although I disagree with some of his positions, he's closer to my leanings than the GOP.

Lamb is a young, photogenic campaigner. Saccone is an older guy with a history of being against unions, in a highly union-friendly state. Like all politicians, we should watch Lamb's commitment to his stated core issues once he gets in Congress. The power structure of both parties rewards followers with plum committee appointments and re-election assistance. Many a fiery candidate has gotten into office only to soften and eventually be re-molded into the shape of their party's money-handlers. If that happens, it merely (and once again) demonstrates the necessity of third, fourth, and fifth parties.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876



Post of the day right here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
If it weren't for the democrats practicing identity politics we wouldn't have Trump in the first place.

T

Could you explain that to SGG?

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:55 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
If it weren't for the democrats practicing identity politics we wouldn't have Trump in the first place.

T

Could you explain that to SGG?



If he reads what second and I have been posting about he will see it explained. I don't care to go through it again. I take it you agree? Or are you just looking at my post from an uneducated racist perspective? That was not the point of my post at all. Two wrongs do not make a right.


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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

And now the country waits with bated breath for the next 5 hours while they tally up the last 1 or 2% of the vote so the MSM can get plenty of commercials in while they speculate.

/sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I did not realize the Democraps outspent GOP 5-1 for this race. And it looks like neither candidate will get 50% of the vote.

Going into today, MSM said Lamb would win by a 5% margin.

It looks like 228,000 votes were cast Tuesday. The last (only) time this district had an opponent for Murphey, there were 320,000 votes cast in November. Lamb got fewer votes than Dem Larry Maggi did then.
If Republicans can come up with a viable candidate, hard to know if Lamb will keep the seat.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:14 PM

THGRRI


I hope some of you here parse your postings with facts and logic a bit more in the future. There is a major difference between turnout on normal election days, and special elections that have to be held again in eight months.

Wow, are you guys really that

A. biased

B. stupid

C. completely brain dead.

D. all of the above

Correct answer; D all the above.


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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:31 PM

THGRRI


Pennsylvania Wake-Up Call for GOP: Almost No One Is Safe

House Speaker Paul Ryan is privately warning Republicans of a "bit of a wake-up call" as Democrat Conor Lamb edged past the Republican in the Pennsylvania special election. It was clear the single, short-term contest in western Pennsylvania had sounded the started gun for the battle for control of the House.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-03-14/ryan-tells-co
lleagues-pennsylvania-race-is-a-wake-up-call



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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:37 PM

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Conor Lamb
Democrat
113,813
49.8%

Rick Saccone
Republican
113,186
49.6

Drew Miller
Libertarian
1,379
0.6



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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 6:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
If it weren't for the democrats practicing identity politics we wouldn't have Trump in the first place.

T

Could you explain that to SGG?

If he reads what second and I have been posting about he will see it explained. I don't care to go through it again. I take it you agree? Or are you just looking at my post from an uneducated racist perspective? That was not the point of my post at all. Two wrongs do not make a right.

T

in the last day or so SGG has said he wants it explained. We haven't had time to Drudge through the details yet. If you do so, he might understand it well enough. You 2 often seem to share a wavelength.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
If it weren't for the democrats practicing identity politics we wouldn't have Trump in the first place.

T

Could you explain that to SGG?

If he reads what second and I have been posting about he will see it explained. I don't care to go through it again. I take it you agree? Or are you just looking at my post from an uneducated racist perspective? That was not the point of my post at all. Two wrongs do not make a right.

T

in the last day or so SGG has said he wants it explained. We haven't had time to Drudge through the details yet. If you do so, he might understand it well enough. You 2 often seem to share a wavelength.



You should first explain what it is about what I've said that appeals to you and why. You could also refer SGG to my posts.


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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 9:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

And now the country waits with bated breath for the next 5 hours while they tally up the last 1 or 2% of the vote so the MSM can get plenty of commercials in while they speculate.

/sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I did not realize the Democraps outspent GOP 5-1 for this race. And it looks like neither candidate will get 50% of the vote.

Going into today, MSM said Lamb would win by a 5% margin.

It looks like 228,000 votes were cast Tuesday. The last (only) time this district had an opponent for Murphey, there were 320,000 votes cast in November. Lamb got fewer votes than Dem Larry Maggi did then.
If Republicans can come up with a viable candidate, hard to know if Lamb will keep the seat.



I already broke it down in the Evidence thread, and T hasn't dared come into that conversation because he knows I'm right and my detailed response with factual numbers that are backed up by "reputable" sites that he deems propaganda free, destroying his narrative that I can't read.

Democratic votes were down 8% from 2012. Republican votes were down 48% from 2012. There's no evidence that anybody flipped. 33% less people voted.

The Democrats may have found their winning strategy going forward. Demoralization. Saturate the people with so much negative news on a daily basis that everyone is too tired to vote and hope that they can get more Democrats to show up than Republicans.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 9:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I disagree second. Many Republicans have chosen to retire. This Pennsylvania race is going to push more into doing so.

We need more of these outrageous gerrymandered districts fixed.

Senator Jeff Flake from Arizona is also retiring. He made a speech condemning Trump, but he has never stopped voting for every single thing Trump wants. It is crazy for Flake's speech to contradict his votes approving of Trump's priorities, but he does it anyway. The GOP Congressmen aren't acting as if they have any commonsense, including the ones who are retiring.




He is still a republican and votes as one. What he did and does is call Trump out for his outrageous behavior. On issues like Trumps attacks on the media or working with democrats on immigration. His doing that is costing him a shot at reelection. For that he deserves our thanks. It is, a profile in courage.




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Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

And now the country waits with bated breath for the next 5 hours while they tally up the last 1 or 2% of the vote so the MSM can get plenty of commercials in while they speculate.

/sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I did not realize the Democraps outspent GOP 5-1 for this race. And it looks like neither candidate will get 50% of the vote.

Going into today, MSM said Lamb would win by a 5% margin.

It looks like 228,000 votes were cast Tuesday. The last (only) time this district had an opponent for Murphey, there were 320,000 votes cast in November. Lamb got fewer votes than Dem Larry Maggi did then.
If Republicans can come up with a viable candidate, hard to know if Lamb will keep the seat.

I already broke it down in the Evidence thread, and T hasn't dared come into that conversation because he knows I'm right and my detailed response with factual numbers that are backed up by "reputable" sites that he deems propaganda free, destroying his narrative that I can't read.

Democratic votes were down 8% from 2012. Republican votes were down 48% from 2012. There's no evidence that anybody flipped. 33% less people voted.

The Democrats may have found their winning strategy going forward. Demoralization. Saturate the people with so much negative news on a daily basis that everyone is too tired to vote and hope that they can get more Democrats to show up than Republicans.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Evidence thread?
WTF?
What does evidence have to do with Special Election? Have you followed Alice down the rabbit hole?

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