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The absolute PoS that is Florida governor Rick Scott

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Friday, February 16, 2018 3:44 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/16/florida-gov-scott-calls-on-fbi-
director-to-resign
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What is it with these people? His first reaction to the chaos and murder that happens in HIS STATE was to deflect awkwardly, unconvincingly, "well, umm... we are still getting the details... once we have them all... in a month or never... we'll know what to do to safe guard our citizens," obvious stall for time bullshit.

Then he totted out the NRA / Republican bought and paid for line: "We need to do something about mental health..." and then they do NOTHING, or they repeal legislation meant to keep guns from the mentally impaired.

Then the same do nothing line Ryan has used since Newtown, "let's not jump to conclusions..."

AND NOW Scott is calling for... mental health improvements? Background checks? Nope! "Let's fire the FBI Director." How much Trump d. can he #@!&?


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Friday, February 16, 2018 4:32 PM

BRENDA


*facepalm*

I don't understand that at all.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 4:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
*facepalm*

I don't understand that at all.

America was forced to release all mentally ill persons from Insane Asylums in the 1970s, by Court Order. They cannot be effectively detained anymore.

The Doctors prescribing all of these psychotropic drugs to facilitate these killing sprees are not being held accountable.

The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

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Friday, February 16, 2018 5:49 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.



And WHAT would you have them DO?? Lock up every angry mental teen until they grow up? There aren't enough facilities ON EARTH. A lot of these idiots are just being macho morons and nothing ever comes of it. The FBI doesn't have a crystal ball for exactly who and WHEN an attack like this would happen. I'm sure they get a half dozen of these things a WEEK...


This would work so much better if local governments were given the power to place a 30 day psych hold on all these macho mutts. I would LOVE to see the funding for that, but I'm sure Rethugs will just scream more "personal responsibility" nonsense. You either want to help fund a better country or you want to shoot people for thoughtcrimes....WHICH IS IT??

Not that I didn't expect "BLAME EVERYTHING BUT WHY THIS 19 YR OLD WITH A HISTORY OF MENTAL ILLNESS WAS ABLE TO BUY SUCH A POWERFUL WEAPON" from you...


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Friday, February 16, 2018 6:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

And WHAT would you have them DO??

This would work so much better if local governments were given the power to place a 30 day psych hold on all these macho mutts. You either want to help fund a better country or you want to shoot people for thoughtcrimes....WHICH IS IT??

You seem to be the only person unaware of the ample laws available to detain persons clearly proclaiming they will perpetrate a mass shooting, such as that which prompted the 5 January call to FBI, which they ignored. That was the second one, each including his name,location. The other was September.

Shoot people for thought crimes? Your delusions are showing. Shooting an active shooter would suffice.

It is idiots like you who ensure these mass murders will continue.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:59 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You seem to be the only person unaware of the ample laws available to detain persons clearly proclaiming they will perpetrate a mass shooting.
almost 40 seats that flipped from Republican to Democratic control since Trump took office. The bulk happened at the state legislative level..




LIKE I SAID, Where would you like them to put these kids??? We don't even have the facilities to house the ones (THANKS, RETHUGS!) who have ACTUALLY done violence, let alone potential violence!

Kids also have rights to free speech, so unless the kid is dumb enough to put "I AM SHOOTING UP _____ TOMORROW" instead of "I want to shoot people" there isn't much that can LEGALLY be done.

I hope the next time one of these shooters goes off you are there so you can see just how shooting an active shooter ten minutes into it DOESN'T SUFFICE. Not that rethugs would get it, even then...Hell, some of you twits are probably celebrating a few less "snowflakes" out there, right??



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Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:10 AM

WISHIMAY


http://www.14news.com/story/37527991/several-school-threats-made-in-th
e-tri-state-days-after-florida-shooting



Look, SEVERAL in our area alone, what do you wanna bet the same thing has happened ALL AROUND THE DAMN COUNTRY, EVERY TIME THIS HAPPENS???

Yeah, let's just be content to hope someone thinks they are Clint Eastwood and can get the shooter firsties. That's so naive it's PAINFUL.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:20 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Per capita we have more persons in prisons, and are among the highest in guns deaths, compared to elsewhere else in the world. CLEARLY we are doing something wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_dea
th_rate





HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:42 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Per capita we have more persons in prisons, and are among the highest in guns deaths, compare to elsewhere in the world. CLEARLY we're doing something wrong.

I understand that Israeli schools had one killing spree, and since then 2 more attempts have resulted in the terrorist bring shot dead by a teacher. Yet the estimated number of unregistered guns, mostly wielded by people who want to kill Israelis, is half a million. During that period the only schoolchildren killings were on a field trip to the island of peace when the teachers were urged to leave their defense weapons behind, so an Arab shot them.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:16 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

Kids also have rights to free speech, so unless the kid is dumb enough to put "I AM SHOOTING UP _____ TOMORROW" instead of "I want to shoot people" there isn't much that can LEGALLY be done.




Though I'm a huge proponent of Free Speech, there are limits to what it covers. This kid actually said "I'm going to be a professional school shooter".

Quote:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation disclosed it received a tip in September about an ominous online message that read: “I‘m going to be a professional school shooter.” The comment had been posted to someone else’s YouTube video by a person going by the name of Nikolas Cruz, now presumed to be the same individual as the suspect in the Florida shooting.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/telltale-internet-
message-may-have-foreshadowed-florida-school-massacre-idUSKCN1FZ15J


That shit isn't funny. Now I don't have all the answers to everything, and I hate the idea of anybody having to be afraid to post what they want to post, let alone kids. I'm not saying that he should have been arrested just for saying that online somewhere, but somebody probably should have looked into that. September was a long time ago. There's probably 100 things that could have been done to prevent the bloodshed that wouldn't even have required an arrest. The "kid" obviously needed attention. Maybe his mom could have given him a hug and they could have cried it out. I dunno...

The only thing I do know is that the FBI admits they knew about this and it was just completely ignored. We now know the end result of that decision, and it wasn't good. How could that have been handled better the next time it inevitably happens?



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 10:24 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.



You sure as hell don't fire the head of the FBI for that - that's a total obvious suck up move & extreme overreach. Maybe you fire the bureau chief MAYBE. Or, you find out how to connect the suspicions with some kind of action that prevents mass shootings. Republicans are obviously little help - they defend the 2nd amendment to the hilt, AND THAT IS FINE so long as you also realize that by making "individual rights" so untouchable you also make the next step of prevention pretty much untouchable as well.

And the much repeated 'cuz-they-have-nothing-else "we need better health care" - how do you do that? This guy gets 3 strikes from what, getting in trouble, and someone comes and makes him go to a Doctor? Didn't we just have someone shoot up somewhere who was seeing a doctor? You can't sit on these people 24/7/365. Making it so mentally impaired people can't own a fire arm would be great and it makes perfect sense EXCEPT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS REMOVED THAT PROTECTION - unbelievable.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:37 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Kids also have rights to free speech, so unless the kid is dumb enough to put "I AM SHOOTING UP _____ TOMORROW" instead of "I want to shoot people" there isn't much that can LEGALLY be done.


Though I'm a huge proponent of Free Speech, there are limits to what it covers. This kid actually said "I'm going to be a professional school shooter".
Quote:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation disclosed it received a tip in September about an ominous online message that read: “I‘m going to be a professional school shooter.” The comment had been posted to someone else’s YouTube video by a person going by the name of Nikolas Cruz, now presumed to be the same individual as the suspect in the Florida shooting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/telltale-internet-
message-may-have-foreshadowed-florida-school-massacre-idUSKCN1FZ15J


That shit isn't funny. Now I don't have all the answers to everything, and I hate the idea of anybody having to be afraid to post what they want to post, let alone kids. I'm not saying that he should have been arrested just for saying that online somewhere, but somebody probably should have looked into that. September was a long time ago. There's probably 100 things that could have been done to prevent the bloodshed that wouldn't even have required an arrest. The "kid" obviously needed attention. Maybe his mom could have given him a hug and they could have cried it out. I dunno...

The only thing I do know is that the FBI admits they knew about this and it was just completely ignored. We now know the end result of that decision, and it wasn't good. How could that have been handled better the next time it inevitably happens?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The local cops had dealt with him and his behavior over 20 times recently. But FBI had not let them know that Mass Murder was his goal and intent.

Of all the schools in Florida that do have security, such a surprise that he went to one giving his weapons free access. Like the Holmes guy in Aurora, CO - he had to drive past cinemas which did allow weapons to get to one that was free of defensive weapons.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:01 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Of all the schools in Florida that do have security, such a surprise that he went to one giving his weapons free access.



Hate to interrupt your gun wet dream, but that was actually the school he went to, and the one that expelled him. You should do some reading about what happened maybe.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 3:04 PM

WISHIMAY


Turns out he WAS investigated in November. (2016)


PARKLAND, Fla. (AP) — Florida's child welfare agency investigated the suspect in a school shooting that killed 17 people after he cut himself in a video but found him stable, according to state records.

The Miami Herald obtained records from Florida's Department of Children and Families and reported Saturday that Nikolas Cruz posted a video on the social media network Snapchat showing him cutting his arms in 2016.

The agency was called to investigate. Cruz, then 18, was listed as an "alleged victim" of medical neglect and inadequate supervision; his adoptive mother, then-68-year-old Lynda Cruz, the "alleged perpetrator."

"Mr. Cruz was on Snapchat cutting both of his arms," the Florida DCF abuse hotline was told in August 2016. "Mr. Cruz has fresh cuts on both his arms. Mr. Cruz stated he plans to go out and buy a gun."

According to the paper, DCF's investigation was completed that Nov. 12. The agency concluded that Cruz had not been mistreated by his mother, was receiving adequate care from a mental health counselor and was attending school.

"Henderson came out and assessed the (victim and) found him to be stable enough not to be hospitalized," the DCF report said.

Cruz had been diagnosed with autism, a neurological disorder that often leads to social awkwardness and isolation, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Am I the only one who thinks of Rick Scott as Skeletor?




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 5:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.

The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.




HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 5:26 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.



You sure as hell don't fire the head of the FBI for that - that's a total obvious suck up move & extreme overreach. Maybe you fire the bureau chief MAYBE. Or, you find out how to connect the suspicions with some kind of action that prevents mass shootings. Republicans are obviously little help - they defend the 2nd amendment to the hilt, AND THAT IS FINE so long as you also realize that by making "individual rights" so untouchable you also make the next step of prevention pretty much untouchable as well.

And the much repeated 'cuz-they-have-nothing-else "we need better health care" - how do you do that? This guy gets 3 strikes from what, getting in trouble, and someone comes and makes him go to a Doctor? Didn't we just have someone shoot up somewhere who was seeing a doctor? You can't sit on these people 24/7/365. Making it so mentally impaired people can't own a fire arm would be great and it makes perfect sense EXCEPT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS REMOVED THAT PROTECTION - unbelievable.



For the record, while the supreme court upheld a persons right to bare arms, they also determined people do not have the right to own assault riffles.


T

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:59 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Turns out he WAS investigated in November. (2016)


PARKLAND, Fla. (AP) — Florida's child welfare agency investigated the suspect in a school shooting that killed 17 people after he cut himself in a video but found him stable, according to state records.

The Miami Herald obtained records from Florida's Department of Children and Families and reported Saturday that Nikolas Cruz posted a video on the social media network Snapchat showing him cutting his arms in 2016.

The agency was called to investigate. Cruz, then 18, was listed as an "alleged victim" of medical neglect and inadequate supervision; his adoptive mother, then-68-year-old Lynda Cruz, the "alleged perpetrator."

"Mr. Cruz was on Snapchat cutting both of his arms," the Florida DCF abuse hotline was told in August 2016. "Mr. Cruz has fresh cuts on both his arms. Mr. Cruz stated he plans to go out and buy a gun."

According to the paper, DCF's investigation was completed that Nov. 12. The agency concluded that Cruz had not been mistreated by his mother, was receiving adequate care from a mental health counselor and was attending school.

"Henderson came out and assessed the (victim and) found him to be stable enough not to be hospitalized," the DCF report said.

Cruz had been diagnosed with autism, a neurological disorder that often leads to social awkwardness and isolation, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.



DCF said he was okay, yet his behavior got worse and he went on to say things like "I'm going to be a professional school shooter".

DCF said this:

Quote:

According to the paper, DCF's investigation was completed that Nov. 12. The agency concluded that Cruz had not been mistreated by his mother, was receiving adequate care from a mental health counselor and was attending school.


Maybe, idunno, 1/3rd of their assessment and reasons that he was okay was not part of the equation anymore after he was expelled from school?

Maybe it's time to redefine what type of care is "adequate" when it comes from mental health counselors. At the very least, that person should no longer be employed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:24 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

Maybe you fire the bureau chief MAYBE. Or, you find out how to connect the suspicions with some kind of action that prevents mass shootings. Republicans are obviously little help - they defend the 2nd amendment to the hilt, AND THAT IS FINE

Didn't we just have someone shoot up somewhere who was seeing a doctor? You can't sit on these people 24/7/365.


For the record, while the supreme court upheld a persons right to bare arms, they also determined people do not have the right to own assault riffles.

T

Are you saying Cruz legally purchased a weapon banned by the Supreme Court?

Or what kind of BS are you shovelling?

And what bearing does it have that we have the right to be sleeveless and bare our arms and wrists?

What would be the purpose of sitting on somebody for 7 years? Or does 24/7/365 equate to something else besides 365 weeks?

FBI already made clear that they have protocol to resolve proclamations of Mass Murder intentions. They just didn't follow their protocol when they were informed that Cruz was planning to shoot people. The specifically designated phone number was called, the specific Agency was informed, they ignored the information. And your takeaway is "they couldn't have done anything if they had followed their procedures to do something"


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Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol bare arms.

Your two funny man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:46 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol bare arms.

Your two funny man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Yore to phonny Mayan.

Due write, bee wright.

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 5:04 AM

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It woud be funny if peepl started shooting out the windowz uv the NRA hedquarterz. Its big and all glass! You can hardly miss it from a mile away.

Thanks to their own efforts, everybody will be required to own assault riflez, so they woud haf to hire a permanent team to replase windowz every day.


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Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:10 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.

The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.



We do tend to try and hide them away, don't we? It's like our old folks - "less we know the better."
Taking this latest shooter - and Newtown shooter strikes me as similar - what would have been the process by which he would have been treated? Meaning, how do you get guns away from them? How do you physically get them in for a review to get them unable to own guns? Is there a hotline? You call them and they come to your house and do a test? That seems creepy and rife with the potential for abuse. Just curious.

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:54 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.

The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.


We do tend to try and hide them away, don't we? It's like our old folks - "less we know the better."
Taking this latest shooter - and Newtown shooter strikes me as similar - what would have been the process by which he would have been treated? Meaning, how do you get guns away from them? How do you physically get them in for a review to get them unable to own guns? Is there a hotline? You call them and they come to your house and do a test? That seems creepy and rife with the potential for abuse. Just curious.

Ask the FBI. They already explained that they have a protocol.
Yes, they do have a tipline. That is where concerned citizens called to inform that Nickolas Cruz wanted to be a Professional School Shooter.
And then the FBI did....nothing.
Too busy fabricating "evidence" against honest innocent American Citizens.

The cops had already been to his house 20 times.

You're saying it is already confirmed Cruz was taking psychotropic drugs, just like the Newtown killer, and most other Spree Killers of the past few decades?

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 10:27 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.

The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.



We do tend to try and hide them away, don't we? It's like our old folks - "less we know the better." Taking this latest shooter - and Newtown shooter strikes me as similar - what would have been the process by which he would have been treated? Meaning, how do you get guns away from them? How do you physically get them in for a review to get them unable to own guns? Is there a hotline? You call them and they come to your house and do a test? That seems creepy and rife with the potential for abuse. Just curious.



All valid concerns G. Sad we have trolls here turning this tragedy into political fodder that's driven by their own form of hate.

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:33 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.
The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
We do tend to try and hide them away, don't we? It's like our old folks - "less we know the better."
Taking this latest shooter - and Newtown shooter strikes me as similar - what would have been the process by which he would have been treated? Meaning, how do you get guns away from them? How do you physically get them in for a review to get them unable to own guns? Is there a hotline? You call them and they come to your house and do a test? That seems creepy and rife with the potential for abuse. Just curious.

That IS the problem, isn't it? We don't (yet) have an objective tool like a blood test, or MRI or EEG to definitively test people for 'insanity' (though they're working on it). And even if we did, we'd still have to distinguish between the potentially violent and the merely ill.

But if we had such a thing, how does that mesh up with our Constitution which states "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". People have been jailed for months, years on contempt of court rulings. Well, THAT meshes up with our due process requirements, apparently.

I guess it depends on what will be considered 'due process' at that time.



As for what we have going on now, I think we might make use of protection orders, and anyone that has a protection order filed against them could be on the 'excluded' list for acquiring guns.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, February 19, 2018 1:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Not that anybody here is actually looking for a solution, but I almost guarantee that it will end right after we start holding responsible the Doctors who require that these people consume psychotropic drugs which create these Spree Killers.

As soon as we throw a prescribing Doctor in prison, it will end.

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Monday, February 19, 2018 2:28 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/16/florida-gov-scott-calls-on-fbi-
director-to-resign
/

What is it with these people? His first reaction to the chaos and murder that happens in HIS STATE was to deflect awkwardly, unconvincingly, "well, umm... we are still getting the details... once we have them all... in a month or never... we'll know what to do to safe guard our citizens," obvious stall for time bullshit.

Then he totted out the NRA / Republican bought and paid for line: "We need to do something about mental health..." and then they do NOTHING, or they repeal legislation meant to keep guns from the mentally impaired.

Then the same do nothing line Ryan has used since Newtown, "let's not jump to conclusions..."

AND NOW Scott is calling for... mental health improvements? Background checks? Nope! "Let's fire the FBI Director." How much Trump d. can he #@!&?




He used this to call for the head of the FBI to resign. Yet he fails to mention his social services agency visited the shooter in his home and declared him fit.

Does this mean he is going to resign?



T

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Monday, February 19, 2018 9:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not that anybody here is actually looking for a solution, but I almost guarantee that it will end right after we start holding responsible the Doctors who require that these people consume psychotropic drugs which create these Spree Killers.

As soon as we throw a prescribing Doctor in prison, it will end.



Agreed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:08 AM

OONJERAH


Quote 1Kiki: "That IS the problem, isn't it? We don't (yet) have an
objective tool like a blood test, or MRI or EEG to definitively test
people for 'insanity' (though they're working on it). And even if we
did, we'd still have to distinguish between the potentially violent and
the merely ill."

I know that a brain scan does show both OCD* & Schizophrenia. I forget
which scans show what, but the shrinks know.

Knowing how to accurately detect mental illnesses is one thing.
Putting it to work as a preventive measure is waay more complicated.

I believe that most spree killers have been in psychiatric care,
& the good Drs were either to blase to be bothered or just plain
incompetent to do a proper diagnosis.

I'm talking about psychiatrists, Drs, not psychologists.

The competence of brain doctors varies widely, & many of them are too
blase to give a shit. Cruz was cutting himself & showing the wounds in
public ... a huge call for help. ... But nobody helped.

Being a psychiatrist is a tough job. Mental problems are a lot harder
to fix than physical ones.

But here's one thing: Society can't/won't fix this.
Well, maybe we could ... reOpen the mental hospitals: We'd fill them
up overnight. We can tell which ones are the shrinks in there: they
have control of the drugs & they get to go home at night.

But that's a big chunk of tax money; we the public don't wanna pay for it.
We already spend far more money than any other country on prisons.

  No. I don't think we as a society will rise to the occasion &
share the responsibility of: What to Do with the Crazies?

  In the meantime, when you hear gun shots, run & hide.


*OCD: Obsessive-compulsive disorder.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:38 AM

OONJERAH


I just remembered:

    When guns are outlawed,
    Only outlaws will have guns.

Outlaws & Cops will have guns.

If the cops don't arrive in time to save me from the outlaws ...
Does that mean I should have gotten a gun?


... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:43 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Apropos of your last line, at work we had mandatory 'active shooter' training. They said, first of all, when you enter a place, imagine where a shooter might come from (usually the main entrance) and sit closest to the other exit. And also, people lose time wondering 'was that a gun?' when they should be moving. It's too taxing, living like that. Or maybe I'm just old.


Funny story - A year(ish) after I came to California, I went through the Whittier quake. Where I happened to be working at the time was just a few hundred feet off the epicenter. It made quite an impression. Anyway, a few months after that I was at my local restaurant, relaxing and anticipating some tasty chili rellenos for dinner, when the dishes began to rattle and the floor shake a little. And I'm looking around at everybody who're calmly, obliviously eating, and all I could think of was "are they NUTS?" Then I remembered that just 25 feet from one wall was a railroad track, and a train was going by. Between the two, for YEARS, every time I drove somewhere, or went somewhere, or even just got busy at home, I'd often ask myself - what would I do if an earthquake hit now?

That's the kind of tactical, prepared thinking I'm supposed to maintain just in case there's an active shooter.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I just remembered:

    When guns are outlawed,
    Only outlaws will have guns.

Outlaws & Cops will have guns.

If the cops don't arrive in time to save me from the outlaws ...
Does that mean I should have gotten a gun?




Cops don't generally stop crime. They only really serve two purposes.

1. Put the thought in everyone's mind that they're out there. This alone is enough to make most people think twice before doing anything illegal.

2. To clean up the mess after a crime happened.

If you haven't built yourself a bunker or a panic room and you're waiting for the cops to save you from the outlaws, you're likely already dead.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:18 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Apropos of your last line, at work we had mandatory 'active shooter' training. They said, first of all, when you enter a place, imagine where a shooter might come from (usually the main entrance) and sit closest to the other exit. And also, people lose time wondering 'was that a gun?' when they should be moving. It's too taxing, living like that. Or maybe I'm just old.


Funny story - A year(ish) after I came to California, I went through the Whittier quake. Where I happened to be working at the time was just a few hundred feet off the epicenter. It made quite an impression. Anyway, a few months after that I was at my local restaurant, relaxing and anticipating some tasty chili rellenos for dinner, when the dishes began to rattle and the floor shake a little. And I'm looking around at everybody who're calmly, obliviously eating, and all I could think of was "are they NUTS?" Then I remembered that just 25 feet from one wall was a railroad track, and a train was going by. Between the two, for YEARS, every time I drove somewhere, or went somewhere, or even just got busy at home, I'd often ask myself - what would I do if an earthquake hit now?

That's the kind of tactical, prepared thinking I'm supposed to maintain just in case there's an active shooter.




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?


I always tend to put my back to a wall when I can. If I'm too busy working or doing something that requires that I cannot do this, then I naturally have excellent situational awareness as far as who is around me.

People laughed at me when I'd get up and move my chair on break at my old job if somebody decided to come up and stand behind me talking to somebody else. It was pretty much a joke at one point.

Shortly after I was fired one of the employees got his head cracked when another guy picked up a chair and hit him in the back of the head and caught him completely unaware. I bet anybody who still worked there that remembered the "joke" wasn't laughing about it anymore.


I was never in the army or anything, but ever since I was suckerpunched, beat down by 4 guys and stabbed in the back I've never been the same when I'm in public. It's a blessing and a curse, I suppose.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:35 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/16/florida-gov-scott-calls-on-fbi-
director-to-resign
/

What is it with these people? His first reaction to the chaos and murder that happens in HIS STATE was to deflect awkwardly, unconvincingly, "well, umm... we are still getting the details... once we have them all... in a month or never... we'll know what to do to safe guard our citizens," obvious stall for time bullshit.

Then he totted out the NRA / Republican bought and paid for line: "We need to do something about mental health..." and then they do NOTHING, or they repeal legislation meant to keep guns from the mentally impaired.

Then the same do nothing line Ryan has used since Newtown, "let's not jump to conclusions..."

AND NOW Scott is calling for... mental health improvements? Background checks? Nope! "Let's fire the FBI Director." How much Trump d. can he #@!&?




Stop trying to blame the NRA. Jesus fucking Christ ! It has zero do do w/ making the school a gun free zone, or the over medication of psycho nut jobs w/ mood altering meds, OR the fact that the cops were called to this loser's house 39 times in the past few years, OR that the FBI ignored every warning under the sun because it had better things to do....

You're flat out delusional if you think the GOP or NRA had 1 microns worth of blame here.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/16/florida-gov-scott-calls-on-fbi-
director-to-resign
/

What is it with these people? His first reaction to the chaos and murder that happens in HIS STATE was to deflect awkwardly, unconvincingly, "well, umm... we are still getting the details... once we have them all... in a month or never... we'll know what to do to safe guard our citizens," obvious stall for time bullshit.

Then he totted out the NRA / Republican bought and paid for line: "We need to do something about mental health..." and then they do NOTHING, or they repeal legislation meant to keep guns from the mentally impaired.

Then the same do nothing line Ryan has used since Newtown, "let's not jump to conclusions..."

AND NOW Scott is calling for... mental health improvements? Background checks? Nope! "Let's fire the FBI Director." How much Trump d. can he #@!&?

Stop trying to blame the NRA. Jesus fucking Christ ! It has zero do do w/ making the school a gun free zone, or the over medication of psycho nut jobs w/ mood altering meds, OR the fact that the cops were called to this loser's house 39 times in the past few years, OR that the FBI ignored every warning under the sun because it had better things to do....

You're flat out delusional if you think the GOP or NRA had 1 microns worth of blame here.

That was a little confusing. I think you forgot to place a sarcasmNOT tag, or else separate sentences.
I think I got it, but it took a few rereads.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 1:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:


Funny story - A year(ish) after I came to California, I went through the Whittier quake. Where I happened to be working at the time was just a few hundred feet off the epicenter. It made quite an impression. Anyway, a few months after that I was at my local restaurant, relaxing and anticipating some tasty chili rellenos for dinner, when the dishes began to rattle and the floor shake a little. And I'm looking around at everybody who're calmly, obliviously eating, and all I could think of was "are they NUTS?" Then I remembered that just 25 feet from one wall was a railroad track, and a train was going by. Between the two, for YEARS, every time I drove somewhere, or went somewhere, or even just got busy at home, I'd often ask myself - what would I do if an earthquake hit now?

That's the kind of tactical, prepared thinking I'm supposed to maintain just in case there's an active shooter.

Of all the earthquakes I lived through, I only noticed 2. One was while sitting in traffic, wondered why the traffic lights (on poles) were swaying and bouncing with no breeze. The car suspension absorbed the vibration.

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Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:24 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Stop trying to blame the NRA. It has zero do do w/ making the school a gun free zone, or the over medication of psycho nut jobs w/ mood altering meds,

You're flat out delusional if you think the GOP or NRA had 1 microns worth of blame here.





You are flat out mentally incompetent if you DON'T think the NRA or the GOP isn't responsible for the over-the-top gun culture in this freaking paranoid country. Many other first world countries AREN'T like this, but they don't have the NRA buying out their politicians.

FYI, there WAS an armed guard at the shooters school, but he was never near Cruz. They let him go on the property mostly because he was wearing a ROTC shirt.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/armed-guard-florida-school-encou
ntered-rampaging-gunman-article-1.3822777


I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE that if we STOP medicating people with mental issues that these kinds of events will TRIPLE, not go away.

I keep wondering if the two of you (Rap and JSF) have been offered medications and that is why you are so against them??

Finding the right medication is a process. We've found a couple that work and a couple that really don't. They don't have a crystal ball to know what pills will work on which person. Some people absolutely CANNOT function without them, so blaming all the pills for people that are most likely psychotic to begin with is the height of stupidity.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

You sure as hell don't fire the head of the FBI for that - that's a total obvious suck up move & extreme overreach. Maybe you fire the bureau chief MAYBE. Or, you find out how to connect the suspicions with some kind of action that prevents mass shootings. Republicans are obviously little help - they defend the 2nd amendment to the hilt, AND THAT IS FINE so long as you also realize that by making "individual rights" so untouchable you also make the next step of prevention pretty much untouchable as well.

And the much repeated 'cuz-they-have-nothing-else "we need better health care" - how do you do that? This guy gets 3 strikes from what, getting in trouble, and someone comes and makes him go to a Doctor? Didn't we just have someone shoot up somewhere who was seeing a doctor? You can't sit on these people 24/7/365. Making it so mentally impaired people can't own a fire arm would be great and it makes perfect sense EXCEPT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS REMOVED THAT PROTECTION - unbelievable.


For the record, while the supreme court upheld a persons right to bare arms, they also determined people do not have the right to own assault riffles.

T

Do you have any clue what the Definition of Assault Riffle is?
Not some Libtard blather of opinion, but the actual definition of Assault Weapon?

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Friday, March 30, 2018 9:11 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


You're right something should have been done. Here's a suggestion that may help keep guns away from people of questionable mental capacity.

Anyone posting, declaring and/or stating that they want to shoot someone, or become a "professional" shooter must go through a series of tests/background checks to see if they have the mental capacity to be a responsible gun owner.

If the person makes a public statement of that type, they need to be evaluated.
And, unless they are cleared by a psychiatrist, they should not be allowed to purchase, be given or even hold a gun. Yes, there are other ways to do damage or kill people....but, at least, it will reduce the chances of there being a mass shooting. Restrict gun ownership to "normal" individuals.

Is it violating the person's rights? Not if it's made law. But they can always sue the Feds and/or the state for the right to bear arms. Prove that they have the mental capacity to own a gun.

For example: there was a news item where a lady, of questionable mental capacity, owned and operated a car. She ran over a couple of young kids and killed them. After an investigation, it was found that she had mental issues and/or physical challenges. Should she have been allowed to drive a 3,000-lb car? Same thing goes for people of an advanced age. Should they just be able to renew their license without so much as a mental capacity test, or a physical acuity test?

Again, if a law is in place, they can sue/appeal for their right to own and operate a vehicle. Prove that they have both the mental and physical ability to drive a car. Same goes for a gun.

Rick Scott is a POS. His actions and weak-minded approach to this latest mass shooting is absolutely deplorable.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

Kids also have rights to free speech, so unless the kid is dumb enough to put "I AM SHOOTING UP _____ TOMORROW" instead of "I want to shoot people" there isn't much that can LEGALLY be done.




Though I'm a huge proponent of Free Speech, there are limits to what it covers. This kid actually said "I'm going to be a professional school shooter".

Quote:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation disclosed it received a tip in September about an ominous online message that read: “I‘m going to be a professional school shooter.” The comment had been posted to someone else’s YouTube video by a person going by the name of Nikolas Cruz, now presumed to be the same individual as the suspect in the Florida shooting.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/telltale-internet-
message-may-have-foreshadowed-florida-school-massacre-idUSKCN1FZ15J


That shit isn't funny. Now I don't have all the answers to everything, and I hate the idea of anybody having to be afraid to post what they want to post, let alone kids. I'm not saying that he should have been arrested just for saying that online somewhere, but somebody probably should have looked into that. September was a long time ago. There's probably 100 things that could have been done to prevent the bloodshed that wouldn't even have required an arrest. The "kid" obviously needed attention. Maybe his mom could have given him a hug and they could have cried it out. I dunno...

The only thing I do know is that the FBI admits they knew about this and it was just completely ignored. We now know the end result of that decision, and it wasn't good. How could that have been handled better the next time it inevitably happens?



Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Friday, March 30, 2018 9:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I see what you're saying, but I'm afraid that with technology becoming a larger part of our collective lives every year that this could become a back door to a larger invasion of privacy.

What about people who choose not to use Facebook? "Why aren't they on Facebook? What have they got to hide that they're not on Facebook? Why don't they have Alexa or Siri in their homes? Why don't they own a smartphone?"



I could see this slowly becoming something akin to your credit score. The more social media you use and have never said anything questionable on or around, the higher that index is for your name/number. The more "flagged" words or phrases you type in or say around listening devices over the course of your life the lower the index goes. Those under a certain number are blocked from owning a firearm. (And I'm sure this could be carried over to many other seemingly innocuous things once the system is installed).

Those who avoid all of these things are "unknowns". They basically have "unknown credit" and will not be able to purchase a firearm until they voluntarily submit to a rigorous psychological and background check, or they give in and surround themselves with big brother for a few years and "build their credit".



Strange and scary times we're living in man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 30, 2018 12:18 PM

THGRRI


Pruitt arranged condo deal through energy lobbyist, source says

Environmental Protection Agency administrator Scott Pruitt worked directly with a top energy lobbyist, and without a real estate broker, to set up a $50-a-night rental room in a prime Capitol Hill building co-owned by the lobbyist’s wife during his first six months in Washington, a source familiar with the arrangement told ABC News.

Pruitt was permitted to pay rent for just a single bedroom in the upstairs condo unit, even though the other bedrooms in the unit were unoccupied, the source told ABC News.

In all, Pruitt paid $6,100 to the limited liability corporation for the Capitol Hill condo co-owned by Vicki Hart, whose husband J. Steven Hart is chairman of a top D.C. lobbying firm and who is registered to lobby for several major environmental and energy concerns, according to Bloomberg News which first reported the payment arrangement.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pruitt-arranged-condo-deal-energy-lobby
ist-source/story?id=54121795


Another example of Trump draining the swamp. Not....
T

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Friday, March 30, 2018 12:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Another example of what could be a completely fake story because nobody in the MSM feels the need to cite an actual fucking person.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 30, 2018 12:39 PM

THGRRI


Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me", which is an American parochial phrase). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis. It is also a matter of personal tolerance for the individual that might be in conflict with psychiatric diagnoses.


T

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Friday, March 30, 2018 12:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Pruitt arranged condo deal through energy lobbyist, source says

Environmental Protection Agency administrator Scott Pruitt worked directly with a top energy lobbyist, and without a real estate broker, to set up a $50-a-night rental room in a prime Capitol Hill building co-owned by the lobbyist’s wife during his first six months in Washington, a source familiar with the arrangement told ABC News.

Pruitt was permitted to pay rent for just a single bedroom in the upstairs condo unit, even though the other bedrooms in the unit were unoccupied, the source told ABC News.

In all, Pruitt paid $6,100 to the limited liability corporation for the Capitol Hill condo co-owned by Vicki Hart, whose husband J. Steven Hart is chairman of a top D.C. lobbying firm and who is registered to lobby for several major environmental and energy concerns, according to Bloomberg News which first reported the payment arrangement.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pruitt-arranged-condo-deal-energy-lobby
ist-source/story?id=54121795


Another example of Trump draining the swamp. Not....
T

Are you trying to boast and prove how clueless you are?
What does your continuous blather have to do with Gov Rick Scott, or even Florida?
Forgot your meds again? Don't get your refill script until the new month?
Somehow, your malfunction is worse than before.

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Friday, March 30, 2018 1:05 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me", which is an American parochial phrase). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis. It is also a matter of personal tolerance for the individual that might be in conflict with psychiatric diagnoses.

T

Yet another post having nothing to do with the subject.

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Friday, March 30, 2018 1:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I see what you're saying, but I'm afraid that with technology becoming a larger part of our collective lives every year that this could become a back door to a larger invasion of privacy.

What about people who choose not to use Facebook? "Why aren't they on Facebook? What have they got to hide that they're not on Facebook? Why don't they have Alexa or Siri in their homes? Why don't they own a smartphone?"



I could see this slowly becoming something akin to your credit score. The more social media you use and have never said anything questionable on or around, the higher that index is for your name/number. The more "flagged" words or phrases you type in or say around listening devices over the course of your life the lower the index goes. Those under a certain number are blocked from owning a firearm. (And I'm sure this could be carried over to many other seemingly innocuous things once the system is installed).

Those who avoid all of these things are "unknowns". They basically have "unknown credit" and will not be able to purchase a firearm until they voluntarily submit to a rigorous psychological and background check, or they give in and surround themselves with big brother for a few years and "build their credit".



Strange and scary times we're living in man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Were you born in Chicago? Cuba? Russia? Your insistence on foisting Big Brother upon us is what's scary.

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Friday, March 30, 2018 1:22 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me", which is an American parochial phrase). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis. It is also a matter of personal tolerance for the individual that might be in conflict with psychiatric diagnoses.

T

Yet another post having nothing to do with the subject.



White House chaos jeopardizes war on ISIS, U.S. commanders warn

“We’re on the two-yard line,” one U.S. special forces commander told NBC News. “We’re that close and now it’s coming apart.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/white-house-chaos-jeopardizes-war-i
sis-u-s-commanders-warn-n859966


The reason I do this is because it is important news. Also because what you and jack post for the most part is nonsensical. Having no meaning; making no sense. My last two posts here are in no way nonsensical.

T

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Friday, March 30, 2018 2:22 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me", which is an American parochial phrase). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis. It is also a matter of personal tolerance for the individual that might be in conflict with psychiatric diagnoses.

T

Yet another post having nothing to do with the subject.

White House chaos jeopardizes war on ISIS, U.S. commanders warn

“We’re on the two-yard line,” one U.S. special forces commander told NBC News. “We’re that close and now it’s coming apart.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/white-house-chaos-jeopardizes-war-i
sis-u-s-commanders-warn-n859966


The reason I do this is because it is important news. Also because what you and jack post for the most part is nonsensical. Having no meaning; making no sense. My last two posts here are in no way nonsensical.

T

Yet another post having nothing to do with the subject.
Totally off his meds.
Doesn't even attempt to make sense.

If you are incapable of comprehending the on-topic posts, then stay out of the thread. Occupy your brainless skull elsewhere.

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