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The risk of nuclear war under Trump
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:32 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:53 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: This silence might make short-term political sense, but heightens the risk that the Trump administration’s two-faced foreign policy will lead the U.S. into a great and disastrous war.
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:48 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:23 PM
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 7:10 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Obama was heading in this direction already.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:01 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Now that you got what you wanted, you're suddenly fearful.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:18 AM
Quote: NO, YOU DUMB GOATHERDER ... NO ONE WANTS A WAR, with Russia or anyone else...
Quote:NO ONE *SANE* WANTS A WAR...
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, YOU might not want war, and I sure don't want war, but Hillary was all for it, and THUGR and GSTRING and SECOND just can't seem tp allow even simple "contact" with Russia because... well, RUSSIA!!! Oh and BTW- OBAMA did a pretty good job of starting wars and knocking over nations during his tenure, too. Quote:NO ONE *SANE* WANTS A WAR... Which is why I said that GSTRING and THUGR and SECOND are insane. I guess we agree on that!
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Obama was heading in this direction already. His nuclear posture was to be in a position of a successful first strike, which is why he moved missiles right up to the Russian border. That's what caused the Russians to develop their dead-man devices... nuclear missiles that would be launched without the command of any living soldier. All you could bitch about endlessly was RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! You didn't want ANY rapprochement between the USA and Russia; you assumed a posture of unrelenting hostility and were all A-OK with Obama setting up an aggressive nuclear cordon on their border and destabilizing nations to their west. Now that you got what you wanted, you're suddenly fearful. Sheesh. You're all insane, did you know that?
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 8:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: The endless fantasy brain that lives inside SIGNYM's skull. Making stuff up 24 hours a day... Please cite where ANYONE said they, "were all A-OK with Obama setting up an aggressive nuclear cordon on their border and destabilizing nations to their west." Go on, fetch! Validate your rambling accusations just once. Can't? You just made sh*t up so you can whine? Check.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:06 AM
Quote:You go to extremes with your notion that Democrats will nuke the world. Bringing out the nukes and shaking them in Russia's face is Republican territory, not Democrats.- SECONDRATE
Quote:U.S. Ramping Up Major Renewal in Nuclear Arms [2014, under Obama] KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A sprawling new plant here in a former soybean field makes the mechanical guts of America’s atomic warheads. Bigger than the Pentagon, full of futuristic gear and thousands of workers, the plant, dedicated last month, modernizes the aging weapons that the United States can fire from missiles, bombers and submarines. It is part of a nationwide wave of atomic revitalization that includes plans for a new generation of weapon carriers. A recent federal study put the collective price tag, over the next three decades, at up to a trillion dollars.
Quote:Trump Continues Obama Nuclear Funding
Quote:Russia Calls New U.S. Missile Defense System a ‘Direct Threat’ MAY 12, 2016 As American and allied officials celebrated the opening of a long-awaited missile defense system in Europe with a ribbon cutting and a band, the reaction in Russia on Thursday suggested the system had raised the risks of a nuclear war. Russian officials reiterated their position that the American-built system imperiled Russia’s security. But the public discussion in Russia was darker, including online commentary of how a nuclear confrontation might play out in Europe, and the prospect that Romania, the system’s host, might be reduced to “smoking ruins.”
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, think about the problems- which are shared by both parties and all Americans ... instead of making foolish partisan accusations. Any comment of yours (or anyone else's) which includes reference to "Democrats" or "Republicans" .... as if those are meaningful characterizations ... is immediately void. Let's see if you can make it through ONE WEEK without once referring to either of the two major parties. I doubt that you can! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:You go to extremes with your notion that Democrats will nuke the world. Bringing out the nukes and shaking them in Russia's face is Republican territory, not Democrats.- SECONDRATE Except when we're talking about Democratic neocons, which includes you, GSTRING, THUGR, OBAMA, and HILLARY. Let's start with YOU and your yammering cohort here. YOU could not resist splattering the board with anti-Trump and anti-Russia posts, no matter how ridiculous or unfounded. Was it not you, hyperventilating over every "contact" between Team Trump and RUSSIA!!! as if that was prima facie evidence of collusion or treason or "something"???
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Child, if you don't want war, you have to negotiate. And if you don't negotiate, you will have war. And I shouldn't have to tell you this ... but apparently I do... that negotiating takes contacts ... many of them .... between Russia and the USA. War is just the logical end of YOUR OWN position with regards to Russia. This is where YOU want to be, or at least where you've advocated for over a year-and-a-half. So stop hyperventilating about RUSSIA!!! already, as if it was some shapeless monster-under-the-bed. I have been asking YOU for YEARS to define America's interests so that you could envision some shape to your paranoia, bring it to practical level and decide when our existential interests had been tripped. YOU have been unwilling or unable to actually define America's interests, and so now here you are: having been stampeded by Dems and their deep state handlers, YOU've tripped one of our existential interests.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, bully for you. I hope you got what you wanted.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECONDLY, I didn't hear any objections to OBAMA's nuclear provocations.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trumps funding position is widely seen (by nonpartisan arms control groups who pay attention to such things) as Trump Continues Obama Nuclear Funding
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, think about the problems- which are shared by both parties and all Americans ... instead of making foolish partisan accusations.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: but Hillary was all for it, OBAMA
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: to allow even simple "contact" with Russia
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: to allow even simple "contact" with Russia Because RUSSIA IS what Russia IS. They don't mind screwing over other countries in order to advance their homophobic, white power, freedom of speech killing, warmongering agenda. WHY WOULD YOU WANT CONTACT WITH THAT????? They prove every day why they can't be trusted to even have NORMAL relations with them. I swear.. it's like you are constantly advocating that the U.S. has to stay in an abusive relationship with Russia...because WHY?? What the hell do we have to gain from that??
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 2:28 PM
Quote: Because RUSSIA IS what Russia IS. They don't mind screwing over other countries in order to advance their homophobic, white power, freedom of speech killing, warmongering agenda. WHY WOULD YOU WANT CONTACT WITH THAT????? They prove every day why they can't be trusted to even have NORMAL relations with them. I swear.. it's like you are constantly advocating that the U.S. has to stay in an abusive relationship with Russia...because WHY?? What the hell do we have to gain from that?? - WISHY
Quote: Because RUSSIA IS what Russia IS. They don't mind screwing over other countries in order to advance their homophobic, white power, freedom of speech killing, warmongering agenda.- WISHY
Quote: WHY WOULD YOU WANT CONTACT WITH THAT?????
Quote:They prove every day why they can't be trusted to even have NORMAL relations with them.- WISHY
Quote:I swear.. it's like you are constantly advocating that the U.S. has to stay in an abusive relationship with Russia...because WHY?? -WISHY
Quote:What the hell do we have to gain from that?? -WISHY
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: All of your collective screeching and hyperventilating gives me a headache.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:21 PM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: All of your collective screeching and hyperventilating gives me a headache. So leave. BTW skipped the rest of your post because talk about screeching.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 4:11 PM
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Here's a question: which nation do you think has killed more "brown people" TO PREVENT NUCLEAR ARMAGEDDON??? Okay, now, in terms of "who can be trusted", which nation do you suppose breaks the most important international laws most often? Here's a little history for you: Russia was pretty cooperative with the United States until recently So when you say that Russia can't be trusted ... well, apparently neither can the USA. WISHY, you sound like a helpless, hapless, powerless fluttery female. America is NOT helpless. Our military is larger than the next 10 militaries COMBINED, and most of THOSE are our allies! We are fully capable of defending our interests and negotiating from a position of strength. it's our own dear beloved deep state.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:52 PM
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:56 PM
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And so the Democratic party becomes the party of War. Everything Wishy just said sounded like it came straight from GWB's mouth.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: And so the Democratic party becomes the party of War. Everything Wishy just said sounded like it came straight from GWB's mouth. SHUT THE HELL UP, BOOZE FOR BRAINS.
Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:03 PM
Thursday, February 8, 2018 12:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: SHOVE YOUR PILLS UP YOUR ASS. I SAID I DON'T SUPPORT HALF THE SHIT THIS COUNTRY DOES, WHAT HALF YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE????
Thursday, February 8, 2018 2:07 AM
Quote: BROWN PEOPLE??? What the hell are you on about??- WISHY
Quote:I don't support half the crap we've done either, it doesn't mean Russia is less corrupt or less bent to take us over or manipulate our systems. WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS.- WISHY
Quote: This is from TODAY. https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/russia-successfully-hacked-into-voter-rolls-during-2016-election/?sr_share=facebook
Quote:WE are being dicked with by these asshats. And you think we should just let them do whatever they want to do to us because... NUCLEAR WAR???? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING??!!! - WISHY
Quote: There is NO GODDAMN RISK of nuclear war with Russia right now, SO WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT EVER MATTER????- WISHY
Quote:RUSSIA!! BREAKS EVERY LAW THEY DON'T MAKE THEMSELVES, AND A FEW THEY DO.- WISHY
Quote:They have no problem breaking every rule to get what THEY WANT...just like the Olympics. They broke doping so much they got banned!
Quote:Which doesn't even matter because no matter what Russia does, no matter what we do... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .WE.DON'T.WANT.TO.BE.RUSSIA. EVER. NUCLEAR WEAPONS OR NO.
Quote: Have YOU ever NEGOTIATED with a bully??? IT DOESN'T WORK. The only thing that shuts down a bully is to make them scared with a large show of force.- WISHY
Quote:PEOPLE AREN'T REASONABLE, bullies especially! YOU CANNOT REASON WITH THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO BE REASONED WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- WISHY
Quote:Russia does NOT want to be reasoned with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- WISHY
Quote: I know what it's like to be around someone who constantly thinks about the worst case scenario, but you are absolutely OBSESSED with a completely improbable worst case scenario.- WISHY
Quote:You don't even make a microscopic SPECK of sense. -WISHY
Quote:Even if you don't answer ANYTHING from the last post, I have to know.. WHAT made you begin to obsess over the idea of nuclear war with Russia anyway??
Quote:I don't think you are even old enough to personally remember the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Quote:Were your parents obsessed with it?? Did they beat you if you didn't constantly worry about Nuclear War?? You have serious brainwash level concern with this. Something is not right with you.- WISHY
Quote:Are you from the future or something?? Come back to warn us?? If you are, you are TOTALLY going about this the wrong way. TOTALLY. - WISHY
Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:08 AM
Quote:Extreme circumstances could include significant non-nuclear strategic attacks. Significant non-nuclear strategic attacks include, but are not limited to, attacks on the U.S., allied, or partner civilian population or infrastructure, and attacks on U.S. or allied nuclear forces, their command and control, or warning and attack assessment capabilities.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:39 AM
Quote:Giving Trump new nukes AND new ways to use them is like giving matches and gasoline to Curious George. It will not end well.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 11:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: As I mentioned, it is the topic of the thread, which I did not start. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? You keep making assumptions. Well, you happen to be wrong. Again, I did not start this thread. But if you want to talk about obsessions: I think you have an unhealthy obsession with Russia. You invest it with far more power than it really has. .
Thursday, February 8, 2018 11:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Possibly, Mattis just wants more $$$$ for his empire, and doesn't really plan on using any new/ strengthened capabilities.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 2:06 PM
Quote: As I mentioned, it is the topic of the thread, which I did not start. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? You keep making assumptions. Well, you happen to be wrong. Again, I did not start this thread. But if you want to talk about obsessions: I think you have an unhealthy obsession with Russia. You invest it with far more power than it really has - SIGNY
Quote:This is just INSANE. Literally. You are completely oblivious about everything Russia has done and wants to do. Intentionally. You rationalize and downplay everything that they do, when they should not be doing ANY OF IT. PERIOD.- WISHY
Quote:They ARE attacking infrastructure, I see it in the news all the time. US infrastructure and government agencies are constantly under attack, a few weeks ago the White House confirmed to have suffered a cyber attack on its computer network which lasted for almost two weeks. -WISHY
Quote: Guess you just conveniently miss that, huh?-WISHY
Quote: “In Fraud We Trust”: 36 Indicted In $530M Global Cybercrime Ring Based Out Of Ukraine https://blackswanalert.com/2018/02/08/in-fraud-we-trust-36-indicted-in-530m-global-cybercrime-ring-based-out-of-ukraine/
Quote:To have any recall of the Cuban Missile Crisis you would have to be in your 60's and you aren't. Unless you had your kid in your fifties. Right.
Quote: This thread was started BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSTANT OBSESSIONS. You really believe that nuclear war could break out at any second with people we aren't in REGULAR WAR with. That is the very definition of paranoid delusion.- WISHY
Quote:I'm done. You can't reason with someone who is intentionally blind and off their rocker.- WISHY
Quote:I will not discuss nuclear war with you ever again- WISHY
Thursday, February 8, 2018 3:28 PM
Thursday, February 8, 2018 4:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I AM in my sixties! And our child is almost half my age (physically) but far less than that (mentally).
Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:13 PM
Quote:I AM in my sixties! And our child is almost half my age (physically) but far less than that (mentally). Maybe you should stop referring to her as a "child" then. She is a handicapped ADULT. I'm sure no one here had a clue what her age was. But, since you call me a bitch just for not knowing her age...I'd have to say I completely see where she gets her messed up mental DNA from. - WISHY
Quote:And the reason Russia hasn't done worse, is we have agencies that stop it before it gets WORSE. It frequently doesn't make the news until weeks after something has happened, and THEN they downplay it.......THIS is the kind of people they are. I can't begin to imagine why you would defend them if you are American (which we know you aren't)
Quote:"Just to recap, the Russians didn’t just supply performance-enhancing drugs to scores of athletes. We’ve seen that act before. This time it constructed an actual building in Sochi next to the laboratory that tested athlete samples. It then drilled a small hole in the shared wall. Each night after the lab closed, it had workers on either side pass clean samples in and dirty samples out.- WITCHY
Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You've got to be one twisted sister to obsess about shit like that! Let's assume that Russia can do everything horrible that you imagine that they can. WISHY, I'm sorry but you CLEARLY don't have a clue about cybersecurity or nuclear options and you're just as wrong about me.
Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:58 PM
Quote:I read all the time about things that have been thwarted that don't make the general news= WISHY
Friday, February 9, 2018 9:19 AM
Friday, February 9, 2018 9:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: WISHY, I was TRYING to be nice when I was answering you, but you thought that you could be an unrelenting asshole? Next time you want to uncork the nasty, just be aware that others can right back atcha. I don't know if you thought you were "defending" yourself, but YOU crossed the line into being the bully. You might want to think about that.
Friday, February 9, 2018 11:00 AM
Friday, February 9, 2018 11:10 AM
Quote:But what about the nukes?- SECOND
Friday, February 9, 2018 12:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: . . . possibly Trump has been out-maneuvered by neocons, who have packed both the secrecy-state and the MIC. OTOH, there may be negotiations going on in the background that we know nothing about. So for me, this is still a case of "watchful waiting" to see how things shake out. Your thoughts?
Friday, February 9, 2018 4:46 PM
Quote: Originally posted by SIGNYM: Okie dokie! No links from WISHY! WISHY, I was TRYING to be nice when I was answering you, but you thought that you could be an unrelenting asshole? Next time you want to uncork the nasty, just be aware that others can right back atcha. I don't know if you thought you were "defending" yourself, but YOU crossed the line into being the bully. You might want to think about that.
Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:30 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Obama was heading in this direction already. His nuclear posture was to be in a position of a successful first strike ...
Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: And with all his strength, Trump will take us the rest of the way ...
Saturday, February 10, 2018 1:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: Yeah, (read this in a Valley Girl accent) we all like TOTALLY want to go to war with Russia. That would be *SWEET*.
Quote: NO, YOU DUMB GOATHERDER
Saturday, February 10, 2018 2:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Bringing out the nukes and shaking them in Russia's face is Republican territory
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