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Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument
Sunday, December 10, 2017 3:30 PM
SECOND
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Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Every single thread about anything, YOU collectively turn it into a discussion of Russia! I can't help it if you're obsessed with the topic. You see it where it doesn't even exist, you insert it into threads that are explicitly NOT about Russia.
Sunday, December 10, 2017 4:19 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: President Obama presided over a drone strike for the first time shortly after taking office, on January 22, 2009. The strike missed its target, and Newsweek reported that Obama was made aware almost immediately that innocents died in the attack. By the end of 2009 the CIA had already conducted its 100th drone strike in Pakistan.... The following year, a significant escalation in the drone war occurred not because “this technology really began to take off,” to repeat Obama’s construction, which seems to assign responsibility for targeted killings to drones themselves, but in part because of a deliberate response to a suicide attack on a U.S. outpost in Afghanistan that killed multiple CIA officers, prompting an unnamed official to tell The Guardian, “This attack will be avenged through successful, aggressive counterterrorism operations." Many were cross-border drone strikes targeting the Taliban. As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism later reported in its retrospective timeline, “2010 was to be the bloodiest year of drone strikes in Pakistan.”
Sunday, December 10, 2017 4:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So yeah, Obama ... what a peace-loving guy!
Sunday, December 10, 2017 5:21 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, December 10, 2017 7:03 PM
Quote:So, Signym, are you insinuating that this year's Nobel Peace Prize winners are in error when they speak of a certain President who is 'one impulsive tantrum away' from nuclear destruction?
Quote: Will Trump be receiving his Nobel Peace Prize, Signym?
Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:10 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, December 11, 2017 6:11 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Same with calling somebody a Nazi. I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis. Can't be both. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, December 11, 2017 6:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Same with calling somebody a Nazi. I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis. Can't be both. Do Right, Be Right. :) This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious.
Monday, December 11, 2017 7:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Remember when all Republicans were Nazis? Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets? Yeah... that's so last month. Now all Republicans are pedophiles. I wonder what they'll be next month.
Monday, December 11, 2017 7:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: 5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you DEMOCRATS? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years? www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-force-participation-rate/
Monday, December 11, 2017 7:43 AM
Monday, December 11, 2017 8:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by second: 5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you DEMOCRATS? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years? www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-force-participation-rate/ Or better yet, sneer at the jobless people in fly-over country who have the nerve to complain.
Monday, December 11, 2017 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm working a shitty job with low pay. I'm also not a Republican, so I guess that doesn't contradict Second's number 5. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, December 11, 2017 8:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Same with calling somebody a Nazi. I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis. Can't be both. Do Right, Be Right. :) This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious. LOL... very true. It's just the disconnect that's necessary to keep up the narrative. Facts no longer have any relevance because acknowledging even just a part of one of them could expose their always-hypocritical thinking and possibly bring the entire house of cards down. As long as they keep the brain shut down and base their existence and actions entirely around "feels" than anything is possible. Remember when all Republicans were Nazis? Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets? Yeah... that's so last month. Now all Republicans are pedophiles. I wonder what they'll be next month. You realize most of what you just posted is incorrect, right? I'm happy to examine them one by one for you so you can maybe, *learn.*
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Same with calling somebody a Nazi. I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis. Can't be both. Do Right, Be Right. :) This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious. LOL... very true. It's just the disconnect that's necessary to keep up the narrative. Facts no longer have any relevance because acknowledging even just a part of one of them could expose their always-hypocritical thinking and possibly bring the entire house of cards down. As long as they keep the brain shut down and base their existence and actions entirely around "feels" than anything is possible. Remember when all Republicans were Nazis? Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets? Yeah... that's so last month. Now all Republicans are pedophiles. I wonder what they'll be next month.
Quote:For one, are you talking about anyone on this board?
Quote:2: Where do you get this sh*t?
Quote:I also wonder what YouTube meme you'll be repeating next month after SJW and Virtue Signaling are so last month.
Quote:It's important for you to reveal where you get stuff so you can see where you are wrong and just being guided by your *feels.*
Quote:"I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis. " Who are: "today's sheeple liberals?" for instance. Let's just start with that.
Monday, December 11, 2017 9:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: I disagree strongly with the last part of your #4: "4) Republicans don't believe what they read or watch on TV." Trump watches 4-8 hours of Fux and he believes every minute. In fact, he makes policy based on what they say.
Quote:“I know they like to say—people that don’t know me—they like to say I watch television,” Trump said. “People with fake sources—you know, fake reporters, fake sources. But I don’t get to watch much television, primarily because of documents. I’m reading documents a lot.” Trump’s constant need to consume TV is reportedly chronic enough that one former top adviser told NYT that he “grew uncomfortable after two or three days of peace and could not handle watching the news without seeing himself on it.”
Monday, December 11, 2017 10:33 AM
Quote: 5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World.- SECOND
Quote:You went back half a year?- GSTRING
Quote:there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison [to Hitler or Nazis] is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned Adolf Hitler has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law
Monday, December 11, 2017 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Just a few random comments: ***** In a thread about those who call people "Russian trolls", SECOND is doing a bang-up job deflecting from the discussion!
Quote:If your system doesn’t work and you don’t know why, it’s quite hard to improve it. If you do know why it’s failing, oftentimes the solution is a foregone conclusion.
Monday, December 11, 2017 5:46 PM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession. Hahahahahaha! *gasp* OMG - You just can't let it go! Too funny. Obsess away! ==============================
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession.
Monday, December 11, 2017 8:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point. To funny
Monday, December 11, 2017 10:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point. To funny I know full well when I've won the point. A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated. B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year. C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether. Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, December 11, 2017 10:33 PM
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Hahahahahaha! *gasp* OMG - You just can't let it go! Too funny. Obsess away!
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I know full well when I've won the point. A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated. B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year. C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether. Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Eh? So too lazy to read the post I added? Too many words maybe? Look up^
Quote:Ok, lots of made up BS there. I've never called you "misogynist" for one. "Fuck head" yes.
Quote:You have repeated "people have called me a nazi" over and over and yet in reality you've been called that like what, 2, 3 times?
Quote:You've called Wishy a lot of shit, so that's just return fire - you both hate each other so anything goes.
Quote:Reaverfan - yeah, that was real. I'll give you that one. "Putin's payroll? Come on - that's a joke. So Reaverfan, that's 1 person who wasn't just fighting back.
Quote:How about these? By people here? "Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?"
Quote:"Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?"
Quote:"Now all Republicans are pedophiles." I can't remember anyone here ever saying any of that and I doubt you do either - more of your "unthinking" made up BS?
Quote:That's the thing - when you get programmed to look for these memes you'll find them even when they aren't there. So when I asked about "got any role models?" you are quick to run out a Virtue Signaling meme "He just hates all males" or some such made up BS - it's pretty much the dumbest knee-jerk brain dead reactionary response you could have. You're just connecting the closest insult dot you can to something someone you don't like said without checking for facts.
Quote:So Reaverfan is a Liberal sheeple...? Are you sure? I doubt that. I'd say he/she is the opposite of what you think a liberal sheeple is.
Quote:T is a Liberal Sheeple, huh? According to your description he's been confusing nazis with Communists. I have never seen him do that, have you? Comrade and Russian Troll yes, of course, but I don't see how that is Virtue Signaling. And he definitely has cites to back-up his opinions. Do you?
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:29 AM
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Feel free to keep ignoring them then. Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:12 PM
Quote:Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T Hey, how can I get on that list?
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:30 PM
Quote:Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T Hey, how can I get on that list? -SIGNY Denounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state.
Quote:Admit to this and more
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T Hey, how can I get on that list? -SIGNY Denounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state. Renounce Satan and all of his works! Burn a witch at the stake! Admit that God is your savior! heh heh heh Quote:Admit to this and more
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:41 PM
Quote:I wasn't bargaining with you fool. I created a post designed to again show you're a Russian troll.
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments!
Quote:It seems unlikely — though not impossible — that Russia interference changed the outcome of the election. We at PolitiFact have seen no compelling evidence that it did so. Trump could acknowledge the interference happened while still standing by the legitimacy of his election and his presidency — but he declines to do so. Sometimes he’ll state firmly there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia, an implicit admission that Russia did act in some capacity. Then he reverts back to denying the interference even happened. It’s not so much that Trump trades in falsehoods — it’s more that he tries to create a different version of reality simply by asserting it. That denial is of a different order from most presidential posturing, said Nicholas Burns, who served as ambassador to NATO under President George W. Bush. "I've worked for both parties," Burns said during public testimony to the Republican-controlled Congress this summer. "It's inconceivable to me that any of President Trump's predecessors would deny the gravity of such an open attack on our democratic system. "I don't believe any previous American president would argue that your own hearings in the Senate are a waste of time or, in the words of President Trump, a witch hunt. They're not; you're doing your duty, that the people elected you to do."
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:31 PM
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments! There is no argument: PolitiFact on Tuesday named President Trump’s stance on Russia’s influence on the 2016 election as its “Lie of the Year,” and a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-russian-election-interference-made-s/ Quote: No evidence no evidence is all we hear from some here. Yet SECOND, it continues to accumulate. The dam is breaking as they say nothing to see here. T
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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:54 PM
Quote: ... a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin.
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Feel free to keep ignoring them then. Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either. Deal - Hope you have a wonderful Holiday Season. ==============================
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Feel free to keep ignoring them then. Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either.
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Seriously, SECOND, at one time most people thought that the earth was flat and that evil spirits made people sick. Not TOO long ago, people were afraid that Saddam Hussein was going to nuke them in their beds.
Quote: It seems unlikely — though not impossible — that Russia interference changed the outcome of the election. We at PolitiFact have seen no compelling evidence that it did so.
Quote:Trump could acknowledge the interference happened while still standing by the legitimacy of his election and his presidency — but he declines to do so. Sometimes he’ll state firmly there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia, an implicit admission that Russia did act in some capacity. Then he reverts back to denying the interference even happened. It’s not so much that Trump trades in falsehoods — it’s more that he tries to create a different version of reality simply by asserting it.
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:59 PM
Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:32 PM
Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:13 AM
Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, the more serious allegations ... that Russia "hacked" the DNC server or that Trump "colluded" with Russia because of blackmail ... are ridiculous. The other allegations ... that RT promoted the "Russian POV" (that's what they're supposed to do) or that FB hosted (maybe) $50,000 worth of (maybe) Russian-based ads are irrelevant or ineffectual. To agree that Russia "interfered" with the elections is like saying that my spitting into Hurricane Harvey made the flooding worse. TECHNICALLY it raised the water levels, but the effect would be immeasurably tiny.
Monday, December 25, 2017 1:15 PM
Quote: NY Times Frets About Russian Propaganda, Ignores Massive Troll Farms Run by America and Its Allies Adam Johnson Fri, Dec 22, 2017 An op-ed by the president of the right-wing human rights group Freedom House, published in the New York Times Monday (12/11/17)—later boosted by New York Times chief White House correspondent Peter Baker—warned of the menace of “commentators, trolls, bots, false news sites and propaganda,” and their negative effects on democracy. Missing from its analysis was any account of how the government that funds its organization (86 percent of Freedom House’s budget comes from the US government, primarily the State Department and USAID) uses social media to stir unrest and undermine governments worldwide. What the reader was left with was a very selective, curated impression that online social media manipulation is something done exclusively by brown and black people and those dastardly Slavs. The column condemns “surreptitious techniques pioneered in Moscow and Beijing to use the internet to drown out dissent and undermine free elections,” going on to cite online skullduggery in the Philippines, Kenya, Turkey, Mexico and Iran. Missing from the piece by Freedom House’s Michael Abramowitz is any mention of numerous reports detailing online manipulation by US and allied governments and Western PR firms. No mention of the Defense Department’s $100 million program Operation Earnest Voice software that “creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda.” No mention of the US Air Force’s 2010 solicitation of “persona management” software designed to create hundreds of sock puppets, “replete with background, history, supporting details and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent.” No mention of USAID (the same government agency, incidentally, that funds Freedom House) secretly creating an entire social media platform to “stir unrest” in Cuba. No mention of the US State Department’s newly created $160 million Global Engagement Center, targeting English-language audiences with unattributed Facebook videos combating, in part, “Russia propaganda.” Nor was there mention of the UK’s “team of Facebook warriors,” “skilled in psychological operations and use of social media to engage in unconventional warfare in the information age,” or reference to the half-dozen reports of Israeli troll farms promoting pro-Israel propaganda online. The op-ed had a particular focus on “governing parties” using covert online tools to “inflate their popular support and essentially endorse themselves,” warning that this “devastating new threat to democracy” is used to “undermine elections, political debate and virtually every other aspect of governing.” Yet there was no acknowledgment of the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign spent $1 million in the 2016 primary to promote its candidate using unattributed social media personas. Nor was there mention of a torrent of pro-Trump bots that infected the 2016 campaign on social media. Instead, the piece primarily consists of little insight or larger discussion as to the scope of the problem. “The United States and other democracies” are positioned as the victims of online manipulation, never its author. Amid platitudes about “the future of democracy” and “malevolent actors,” the West’s place as noble defenders of Real Information online is simply taken for granted, with, by implication, their ideological satellites—like Freedom House—as neutral arbiters of what is and isn’t propaganda, never practitioners of propaganda themselves. The US Department of Defense admitted in 2011 that it runs fake social media accounts in Farsi; the vast majority of Farsi speakers live in Iran. What were these accounts doing? Did they influence any elections there? Does Freedom House ask these questions, much less attempt to answer them? Of course not; Iran can only be guilty of “[manipulating] discussions…on social media,” never the victim of it. Should the New York Times have disclosed that the author of a piece about government propaganda runs a group overwhelmingly funded by the US government? Readers could theoretically do research on their own time to find out who backs the benign-sounding “Freedom House” (who doesn’t love freedom?), but this is a fairly tall order for the average media consumer, doubly so when one considers the whole point of the piece is criticizing unattributed propaganda. Also missing from Freedom House’s cartoon narrative of Good Western Democracies vs. Bad Governments in the Global South is the issue of sophistication. One of the reasons groups like Freedom House know about clandestine attempts by these governments and affiliated parties to influence online messaging is that they’re mostly bad at it. Hacky, easily identifiable bots, sloppy knock-off websites, transparent “fake news.” The software solicited by the US Air Force in 2010, which would allow each user to control up to ten social media personas at once “without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries,” would presumably be much more difficult to detect. Social media manipulation is a major problem in urgent need of robust discussion. But outlets like the New York Times—and others, such as Buzzfeed—that focus only on attempts by Official US Enemies, and never direct any criticism inwards, aren’t concerned with having an earnest discussion of the problem. They are, instead, using the specter of online manipulation to smear those in bad standing with the US State Department while deflecting any conversation about what the most powerful country in the history of the world may be up to online.
Monday, December 25, 2017 11:24 PM
Tuesday, December 26, 2017 3:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: OMG ! I voted for Trump and yet, did NOT get any of my marching orders from Russian troll farm info ! How is this POSSIBLE ?? What could it mean ? Does it mean you are a devoted Republican?
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: OMG ! I voted for Trump and yet, did NOT get any of my marching orders from Russian troll farm info ! How is this POSSIBLE ?? What could it mean ?
Quote: That's the thing about Russia trying to influence our election: They didn't have to be incredibly effective to be bad. That was a bow shot. They found a great new digital toy and we fell asleep. Believe me, I'd be every bit as pissed if it helped Hillary. I almost feel lilt they tipped their hand a bit early. And of course we try and influence other people's elections, duh. If anyone tries and bring that up as a defense of Russia's manipulations then A) olde news skippy, and B) you're defending Russia.
Wednesday, December 27, 2017 7:48 AM
Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:17 AM
Wednesday, December 27, 2017 2:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Thanks for your response. I don't want to waste any more of your time so I'll focus on this one thing: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This is a fairy tale, generated out of sheer hate and anger that Trump won, and Hillary lost. I just can't believe that was motivation for any of this. No one cared that much for HIllary to keep working this hard on her behalf after that big of a stink bomb went off around her. That was a historic loss. She went into hiding. Who's paying them? What's their angle? They have other jobs and real lives to live that include doing anything that doesn't have her bad karma attached. Sorry, I think the big scary Hillary revenge machine is as big a fiction as the "Deep State" - just convenient Bogey men that no one can disprove. ==============================
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This is a fairy tale, generated out of sheer hate and anger that Trump won, and Hillary lost.
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