Accusing Someone You Disagree With Of Being A Russian Troll Is Admitting You Have No Argument by SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And in a thread about Russian trolls, SECOND inserts a post about Trump.

Interestingly, SECOND, by about this time on Obama's term of office, he had

Poured trillions of dollars into the banks and ...

Escalated drone strikes

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President Obama presided over a drone strike for the first time shortly after taking office, on January 22, 2009. The strike missed its target, and Newsweek reported that Obama was made aware almost immediately that innocents died in the attack. By the end of 2009 the CIA had already conducted its 100th drone strike in Pakistan....

The following year, a significant escalation in the drone war occurred not because “this technology really began to take off,” to repeat Obama’s construction, which seems to assign responsibility for targeted killings to drones themselves, but in part because of a deliberate response to a suicide attack on a U.S. outpost in Afghanistan that killed multiple CIA officers, prompting an unnamed official to tell The Guardian, “This attack will be avenged through successful, aggressive counterterrorism operations." Many were cross-border drone strikes targeting the Taliban. As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism later reported in its retrospective timeline, “2010 was to be the bloodiest year of drone strikes in Pakistan.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/president-obamas-
weak-defense-of-his-record-on-drone-strikes/511454/

He also expanded secret surveillance of all Americans (only pulling back when publicly confronted)

So yeah, Obama ... what a peace-loving guy!

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 4:58 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So yeah, Obama ... what a peace-loving guy!

So, Signym, are you insinuating that this year's Nobel Peace Prize winners are in error when they speak of a certain President who is 'one impulsive tantrum away' from nuclear destruction? Will Trump be receiving his Nobel Peace Prize, Signym? Obama got one to remind him and encourage him to restrain the Pentagon from doing its worst. With the oversized military budgets that Congress gives the Pentagon, and the manner in which Republican Congressmen insist every problem is solvable by killing civilians, I think keeping those generals on a short dog-leash is very hard for a President. He has to tell Congress "No! Down boy!" The Dogs of War are always barking in Congress. Hard work and restraint are not Trump's strongest characteristics unlike Obama, for example.

The U.S. has also conducted more than 100 strikes against Al Qaeda in Yemen in 2017, compared with 38 in 2016. Trump did promise in a campaign speech in 2015 to “bomb the shit” out of ISIS, and he seems to be living up to his word—with little regard for the consequences.
www.newsweek.com/trump-era-record-number-bombs-dropped-middle-east-667
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Sunday, December 10, 2017 5:21 PM

What's your argument here Second, other than "my guy was less evil than your guy. Neener neener!"

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 7:03 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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So, Signym, are you insinuating that this year's Nobel Peace Prize winners are in error when they speak of a certain President who is 'one impulsive tantrum away' from nuclear destruction?

Yes. But instead of insinuating it, I'll say it out loud: If you look at what Presidents DO, instead of what they SAY, you'll see that Trump has caused less destruction than Obama. So far, they're wrong.

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Will Trump be receiving his Nobel Peace Prize, Signym?

Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize even tho he's a convicted war criminal. Obama got one because he was the first half-black President of the USA... even tho he hadn't actually DONE anything to deserve one by then. The Peace Prize is, as far as I can tell, far too politicized to actually mean anything.

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Sunday, December 10, 2017 9:10 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession. You've been squeezing out anti-Russia propaganda threads every week or so, not to mention the hundreds on hundreds of anti-Russia posts.

And aside from that, you're an everyday sadist.

Do you have mental health issues?

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, December 11, 2017 6:11 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same with calling somebody a Nazi.

I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.

Can't be both.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, December 11, 2017 6:42 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same with calling somebody a Nazi.

I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.

Can't be both.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious.

LOL... very true.

It's just the disconnect that's necessary to keep up the narrative. Facts no longer have any relevance because acknowledging even just a part of one of them could expose their always-hypocritical thinking and possibly bring the entire house of cards down.

As long as they keep the brain shut down and base their existence and actions entirely around "feels" than anything is possible.

Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?

Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?

Yeah... that's so last month.

Now all Republicans are pedophiles.

I wonder what they'll be next month.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 11, 2017 7:25 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?

Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?

Yeah... that's so last month.

Now all Republicans are pedophiles.

I wonder what they'll be next month.

I have items 4) and 5) to add to your short list of Republican character flaws:

1) Nazis
2) Russian puppets
3) Pedophiles

4) Republicans are the World's worst at understanding the news. Republicans don't believe what they read or watch on TV.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/republicans-really-really-hate-
the-press/

5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you Republicans? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? (That describes half the jobs in America.) You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-fo
rce-participation-rate/

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Monday, December 11, 2017 7:32 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you DEMOCRATS? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-fo
rce-participation-rate/

Or better yet, sneer at the jobless people in fly-over country who have the nerve to complain.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, December 11, 2017 7:43 AM

I'm working a shitty job with low pay.

I'm also not a Republican, so I guess that doesn't contradict Second's number 5.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 11, 2017 8:13 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by second:

5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World. The World is going up-up-up and Republicans are going down-down-down. What is wrong with you DEMOCRATS? Think you're too superior to work at a bad job with low pay? You'd rather do nothing more than bitch and moan constantly and vote once every 4 years?
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/raw-data-the-prime-age-labor-fo
rce-participation-rate/
Or better yet, sneer at the jobless people in fly-over country who have the nerve to complain.

I am in Texas. 6ixStringJack is in Indiana. Find somebody in Indiana that will pay 6 a higher wage. If his fellow Indianans won't pay attention to his problems, are you really and truly expecting the President born in Queens, NY, who doesn't know him, to give more attention to him than people who are familiar with him?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 11, 2017 8:22 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm working a shitty job with low pay.

I'm also not a Republican, so I guess that doesn't contradict Second's number 5.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Did you vote for Trump? Do you defend Trump? A yes to either makes you a Republican. And about the shitty job: half the jobs in America are dirty, shitty jobs. And these jobs still have to be done despite that. The only variable is the pay. Republicans are opposed to raising the minimum wage. Democrats are not. The Republicans in Congress will fight any increase. Consider that.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 11, 2017 8:49 AM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Same with calling somebody a Nazi.

I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis.

Can't be both.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

This. also can't be both a Nazi or a Zionist. It's like the #neverTrump crowd are so brain locked, they can't even hear themselves speak ! It IS fraking hilarious.

LOL... very true.

It's just the disconnect that's necessary to keep up the narrative. Facts no longer have any relevance because acknowledging even just a part of one of them could expose their always-hypocritical thinking and possibly bring the entire house of cards down.

As long as they keep the brain shut down and base their existence and actions entirely around "feels" than anything is possible.

Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?

Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?

Yeah... that's so last month.

Now all Republicans are pedophiles.

I wonder what they'll be next month.

You realize most of what you just posted is incorrect, right? I'm happy to examine them one by one for you so you can maybe, *learn.*

Please do.

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For one, are you talking about anyone on this board?

Yes. I've been called a Nazi on this board quite a few times by Reaverfan and Wishy, as well as a misogynist by you, T and Wishy. I've also been accused by JO several times of being on Putin's payroll.

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2: Where do you get this sh*t?

Different places. Don't have to go far from the RWED to see it all the time though.

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I also wonder what YouTube meme you'll be repeating next month after SJW and Virtue Signaling are so last month.

I've been using them for well over a year and I don't see it stopping anytime soon since it perfectly describes the situation. Stop doing it and I'll stop saying it.

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It's important for you to reveal where you get stuff so you can see where you are wrong and just being guided by your *feels.*

Sure... whatever.

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"I find it hilarious that today's sheeple liberals can't make up their mind on whether the people they're arguing against are Communists or Nazis. "

Who are: "today's sheeple liberals?" for instance. Let's just start with that.

Anybody who virtue signals on a daily basis. Anyone throwing around the word Nazi like it doesn't have any real meaning. Anyone who's only argument is to call somebody a Russian Troll... for starters.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 11, 2017 9:00 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by G:

I disagree strongly with the last part of your #4:
"4) Republicans don't believe what they read or watch on TV."

Trump watches 4-8 hours of Fux and he believes every minute. In fact, he makes policy based on what they say.

Not so much for facts, but Trump watches TV to gather ‘Ammunition’ for his tweets.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-prodigious-television-news
-consumption-new-york-times-report

A New York Times report Saturday detailed President Donald Trump’s complicated relationship with TV news and his heavy consumption of it.

People close to Trump estimate that he spends “at least four hours a day, and sometimes as much as twice that, in front of a television,” sometimes on mute, “marinating in the no-holds-barred wars of cable news and eager to fire back.”

Trump reportedly begins his day around 5:30 each morning tuning into TV in the White House’s master bedroom. He flips to CNN for news, moves to “Fox & Friends” for “comfort and messaging ideas,” and sometimes MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” because it “fires him up for the day.”

Aides also monitor “Fox & Friends” in the morning “the way commodities traders might keep tabs on market futures to predict the direction of their day.” They’ve learned that if Trump does not immediately tweet about “something memorable” on Fox, he may be saving it for later viewing on his “Super TiVo” recorder and instead watch MSNBC or CNN live—both of which put him “in a foul mood to start the day.”

The funny part is that Trump's unaware of what he is doing:

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“I know they like to say—people that don’t know me—they like to say I watch television,” Trump said. “People with fake sources—you know, fake reporters, fake sources. But I don’t get to watch much television, primarily because of documents. I’m reading documents a lot.”

Trump’s constant need to consume TV is reportedly chronic enough that one former top adviser told NYT that he “grew uncomfortable after two or three days of peace and could not handle watching the news without seeing himself on it.”

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Monday, December 11, 2017 10:33 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just a few random comments:

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In a thread about those who call people "Russian trolls", SECOND is doing a bang-up job deflecting from the discussion!

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5) Labor force participation rate for American prime-age men and women, aged 25-54, is the lowest in the First World.- SECOND

Hey, I think you liberal neocons should get your story straight because according to GSTRING, the employment picture is GREAT! GREAT! GREAT!

*****, in fact,

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You went back half a year?- GSTRING

Why? You can't stand by the comments that you made six short months ago? Are you hoping people will forget what you said six short months ago? Brain too thoroughly washed to retain POV more than two weeks? Ready to switch "enemies" the moment the MSM points in another direction?

*****

Yanno, for what I thought was just a throw-away post which only says what I've been saying ever since the "Russian troll" (fake) meme took hold here, this sure has gotten a lot of traction. But it doesn't deserve this kind of attention! There's a real simple lesson here:

Propaganda and lies can be fought with facts and truth. You shouldn't have to be limited to name-calling, which is what kindergarteners do, to make your point ... if indeed you have a point to make. There should be an equivalent to "Godwin's law"...

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there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison [to Hitler or Nazis] is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned Adolf Hitler has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law

... for ALL such comparisons, including "anti-Semite", "Russian troll", "Nazi", "bomb-throwing terrorist", and "(fill in the hated group here) because in reality you HAVE lost the debate when you get to that point.

Anyway, it's a boring topic by now and there are a lot more important things to discuss. THUGR, GSTRING, JO, SECOND, KRAPO, WISHY ... learn from it or not, it's up to you.

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Monday, December 11, 2017 1:12 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just a few random comments:

*****

In a thread about those who call people "Russian trolls", SECOND is doing a bang-up job deflecting from the discussion!

If there were Russian Trolls posting on this thread, they would be serving their country, earning their living, and writing well. If those "Russian Trolls" are Americans, then they are writing well and nothing more. Take your choice.

Since we dragged in American employment, I got an article about that:
Pessimism and Paralysis in the Aftermath of the Financial Crisis
www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/opinion/pessimism-and-paralysis-in-the-afte
rmath-of-the-financial-crisis.html

The latest job report was very good, except for one thing: wage growth is still much lower than it was before the financial crisis. And this reminds me of a controversy that raged around four or five years ago, during what now seems like a golden age – an era when it seemed as if facts and reasoned debate might actually matter for policy.

Anyway, at the time unemployment was still very high compared with its pre-crisis level, and some of us were urging strong policies – especially infrastructure spending — to boost demand. But some economists argued that high unemployment was “structural” – that there was a mismatch between the skills the workforce had and those the economy needed. This was probably a minority view within the profession, but was pretty much dominant among Beltway pundits.

The structural view had clear policy implications, because if you believed it the case for employment-boosting stimulus was much weaker than if you believed that high unemployment really, truly represented lots of Americans willing to work.

Anti-structuralists – demand siders? – tried to point out that if the structural story were true, there should be a lot of upward pressure on the wages of those workers who did have the right skills; in fact, nobody was seeing much in the way of wage gains. But this argument made little headway among Serious People.

But here we are: there hasn’t been a significant change in the skills of the workforce, but unemployment is now lower than it was in 2007, and wage growth is still low. The demand siders were right.

Does it matter? After all, at this point we are indeed more or less back to full employment, although those wage numbers suggest that we still have a bit further to go. But we spent a long time with supernormal unemployment: it was 9 years before the unemployment rate got back down to its December 2007 level of 4.7 percent, and the average rate over that period was 7.3 percent. Using Okun’s Law, this implies something like average underutilization of capacity by 5 percent over that period – so a loss of 45 percent of one year’s GDP, say $8 trillion.

And this $8 trillion loss didn’t have to happen: adequate, sustained stimulus could have eliminated most of it.

So why did the structuralist view prevail? There was some left-right aspect, as there is with everything these days – any analysis suggesting that the government can do positive things is automatically rejected by half the political spectrum. But there was also the problem Keynesian economics always faces: it just doesn’t sound serious enough to Serious People. The idea that mass unemployment is fundamentally just a problem of inadequate demand – that all we have is magneto trouble – and that it is easily solved by spending more, sounds too easy.

I’d like to think that the way things turned out would serve as a lesson in future crises. But I wouldn’t bet on it.

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If your system doesn’t work and you don’t know why, it’s quite hard to improve it. If you do know why it’s failing, oftentimes the solution is a foregone conclusion.

https://qz.com/1146753

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Monday, December 11, 2017 5:46 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
But anyway GEEBERS, let's get back to your RUSSIA ! obsession.

Hahahahahaha! *gasp* OMG - You just can't let it go! Too funny. Obsess away!

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kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.

To funny

T

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Monday, December 11, 2017 8:54 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.

To funny

I know full well when I've won the point.

A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.

B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.

C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.

Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, December 11, 2017 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.

To funny

I know full well when I've won the point.

A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.

B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.

C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.

Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

They do have one thing in common Jack. They are all things that are done to you that really push your buttons.

Get it??

T

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Monday, December 11, 2017 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
kiki and others like Jack become relentless when they think they've won the point. kikis' insistence you have an obsession with Russia, shows stupid people don't know when they've lost, and not won the point.

To funny

I know full well when I've won the point.

A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.

B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.

C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.

Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

They do have one thing in common Jack. They are all perceived slights by you that really push your buttons.

Get it??

T

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:28 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by G:

Hahahahahaha! *gasp* OMG - You just can't let it go! Too funny. Obsess away!

it took you a whole 24 hors to come up with that? God you're slow-witted. And lame.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:57 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I know full well when I've won the point.

A) The person (usually Second), quotes me and deflects with something completely unrelated.

B) The person (T, G, Wishy, Second) quotes me and replies with nothing but insults and/or brings up my drinking from last year.

C) The person (usually G) stops posting altogether.

Though these things don't necessarily mean a win 100% of the time, none of these behaviors are winning traits.

6ixStringJack, in your mind and imagination you won, but not in reality, not in Indiana, and certainly not in Texas.

6ixStringJack, you have a poorly paid job now and long periods of unemployment because people don't believe Keynesian Economics. Why don't they? Because it requires government spending to increase during job slumps and that is the opposite of what Republicans do. What really angers Republicans is that Keynesian Economics also requires government to increase taxes on the people who are prospering too much, the 1 Percenters. Keynesian Economics does not fall into the trap of believing cost-free adjustments to foreign trade agreements like NAFTA will create enough high pay factory jobs for everyone because that doesn't actually work, despite Republicans (and especially Trump) imagining it does.

www.investopedia.com/terms/k/keynesianeconomics.asp

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:28 AM

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Originally posted by G:

Eh? So too lazy to read the post I added? Too many words maybe? Look up^

Look at the Facebook thread I created, or in the Male Role Model thread you created for examples.

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Ok, lots of made up BS there. I've never called you "misogynist" for one. "Fuck head" yes.

Oh yes you did. I can't be arsed to go back to the time when all we were talking about was Trump grabbing pussy, but you were among the people calling me one.

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You have repeated "people have called me a nazi" over and over and yet in reality you've been called that like what, 2, 3 times?

I've been called "Naziboy" or some other deravitive of Nazi by Reaverfan alone at least 20 times. I'll admit that I can't say for sure if you or T were guilty of that, so I won't press the issue.

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You've called Wishy a lot of shit, so that's just return fire - you both hate each other so anything goes.

Bullshit. My attitude toward Wishy is completely her doing. We used to be about as close to friends as any two anonymous people online who will never meet each other can be, but I became a drunk and she became a miserable person who revels in the fact that people think she's a bitch. I've long given up trying to reason with her, and I practically was begging her nearly a year ago to stop the behavior and/or seek some help.

Other than stuff I don't even remember saying when I was drunk, I take no responsibility in our current relationship. I've asked what I did to her to make her act this way toward me and she just attacked me again. I'm done with her.

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Reaverfan - yeah, that was real. I'll give you that one. "Putin's payroll? Come on - that's a joke. So Reaverfan, that's 1 person who wasn't just fighting back.

Yeah... I can take a joke. I actually like J0, even though we're obviously on complete different sides about things now. Maybe I'm just sensitive about it because T continually lumps me into it with Kiki and Sigs when he's calling people Communists.

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How about these? By people here?

"Remember when all Republicans were Nazis?"

Reaverfan.

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"Remember when all Republicans were Russian puppets?"

Seems to be a theme around here now.

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"Now all Republicans are pedophiles."

I can't remember anyone here ever saying any of that and I doubt you do either - more of your "unthinking" made up BS?

New Alabama Motto Contest - First two posts.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62113

JO: The GoPs controlling that deep red state will see this az a big financial opportunity. Population = prosperity. To help this, they will creat an ad campane that playz up the reazon so many men are moving there.

Wishy: This country is so messed up thanks to the Rethugs.

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That's the thing - when you get programmed to look for these memes you'll find them even when they aren't there. So when I asked about "got any role models?" you are quick to run out a Virtue Signaling meme "He just hates all males" or some such made up BS - it's pretty much the dumbest knee-jerk brain dead reactionary response you could have. You're just connecting the closest insult dot you can to something someone you don't like said without checking for facts.

You posted a thread and an original post that was doing nothing but virtue signaling, and slamming all men because of what some powerful men had done. Several days later, you were repeating what most of us have been saying all along that there really aren't any role models, and that they're basically fairy tales for children.

I don't know what you want me to say, but that is what it was.

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So Reaverfan is a Liberal sheeple...? Are you sure? I doubt that. I'd say he/she is the opposite of what you think a liberal sheeple is.

He's an antifa douche bag. Pure Liberal Sheeple. Brainwashed college educated idiot that wears a mask and knocks over trash cans while yelling Fuck Trump!

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T is a Liberal Sheeple, huh? According to your description he's been confusing nazis with Communists. I have never seen him do that, have you? Comrade and Russian Troll yes, of course, but I don't see how that is Virtue Signaling. And he definitely has cites to back-up his opinions. Do you?

I'm actually not accusing T of virtue signalling. He's one of the few on your side who I totally agree with when it comes to identity politics. It's one of the few issues that we're just about 100% in agreement on. If the rest of the Democratic party would embrace his way of thinking on this issue, I'd be mighty obliged.

I don't like being on this "side", but the Democratic party seems to have made it very clear that they don't want me.

Not that I would join up anyhow, but I like being much closer to the middle than they've made it possible in the last decade or so.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 11:29 AM

Feel free to keep ignoring them then.

Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Feel free to keep ignoring them then.

Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine.

Goodbye

T

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:12 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T

Hey, how can I get on that list?

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:05 PM

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Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T

Hey, how can I get on that list?

Denounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state.

Admit to this and more and I'll put you on the list. It should be easy sig. After all, you have claimed over and over again to have no loyalties towards Putin or Russia.

Here I'll show you how easy it is for someone with no loyalties towards Putin to denounce him as scum. Yes, Putin is scum, see.

T

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:30 PM

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Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T

Hey, how can I get on that list? -SIGNY

~~Denounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state.~~

Renounce Satan and all of his works! Burn a witch at the stake! Admit that God is your savior!

heh heh heh

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Admit to this and more

There's MORE?? An open-ended "MORE" at that?

Wow, you don't know how to bargain, THUGR. That's not a very attractive offer!

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:52 PM

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Great, add me to the list of people you don't respond to. I'm putting you back on mine. Goodbye- T

Hey, how can I get on that list? -SIGNY

~~Denounce Russia, well Putin. Admit he is a tyrant and killer who has destroyed the free press in his country. Admit Russia is a totally corrupt state.~~
Renounce Satan and all of his works! Burn a witch at the stake! Admit that God is your savior!

heh heh heh

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Admit to this and more
There's MORE?? An open-ended "MORE" at that?

Wow, you don't know how to bargain, THUGR. That's not a very attractive offer!

I wasn't bargaining with you fool. I created a post designed to again show you're a Russian troll. That because of that, your opinions about Trump, our democratic institutions including our press, are biased and distorted in a way that is inaccurate, unfair, and misleading. You know sig, lies.

I thank you for your cooperation, dummy.

T

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:41 PM

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I wasn't bargaining with you fool. I created a post designed to again show you're a Russian troll.

And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments!

How sad. But kinda funny!

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:17 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments!

There is no argument: PolitiFact on Tuesday named President Trump’s stance on Russia’s influence on the 2016 election as its “Lie of the Year,” and a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-rus
sian-election-interference-made-s/

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It seems unlikely — though not impossible — that Russia interference changed the outcome of the election. We at PolitiFact have seen no compelling evidence that it did so.

Trump could acknowledge the interference happened while still standing by the legitimacy of his election and his presidency — but he declines to do so. Sometimes he’ll state firmly there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia, an implicit admission that Russia did act in some capacity. Then he reverts back to denying the interference even happened.

It’s not so much that Trump trades in falsehoods — it’s more that he tries to create a different version of reality simply by asserting it.

That denial is of a different order from most presidential posturing, said Nicholas Burns, who served as ambassador to NATO under President George W. Bush.

"I've worked for both parties," Burns said during public testimony to the Republican-controlled Congress this summer. "It's inconceivable to me that any of President Trump's predecessors would deny the gravity of such an open attack on our democratic system.

"I don't believe any previous American president would argue that your own hearings in the Senate are a waste of time or, in the words of President Trump, a witch hunt. They're not; you're doing your duty, that the people elected you to do."

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:33 PM

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And all you managed to do was show that you're an unhinged lunatic. One with no arguments!
There is no argument: PolitiFact on Tuesday named President Trump’s stance on Russia’s influence on the 2016 election as its “Lie of the Year,” and a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-rus
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No evidence no evidence is all we hear from some here. Yet SECOND, it continues to accumulate. The dam is breaking as they say nothing to see here.

T

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:54 PM

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... a poll of the website’s readers backed the choice by a wide margin.

And a billion flies eat shit.

Seriously, SECOND, at one time most people thought that the earth was flat and that evil spirits made people sick. Not TOO long ago, people were afraid that Saddam Hussein was going to nuke them in their beds.

Just look at THUGR. He's a big proponent of the "Trump-Russia-collusion-hacking" conspiracy theory. And what a great argument he makes against that POV!

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Feel free to keep ignoring them then.

Don't call me a fuck head, and I won't reply to you either.

Deal - Hope you have a wonderful Holiday Season.

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And a Merry Christmas to you too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:46 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Seriously, SECOND, at one time most people thought that the earth was flat and that evil spirits made people sick. Not TOO long ago, people were afraid that Saddam Hussein was going to nuke them in their beds.

Politifact sees the points you are making:

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It seems unlikely — though not impossible — that Russia interference changed the outcome of the election. We at PolitiFact have seen no compelling evidence that it did so.

But Politifact continues:

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Trump could acknowledge the interference happened while still standing by the legitimacy of his election and his presidency — but he declines to do so. Sometimes he’ll state firmly there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia, an implicit admission that Russia did act in some capacity. Then he reverts back to denying the interference even happened.

It’s not so much that Trump trades in falsehoods — it’s more that he tries to create a different version of reality simply by asserting it.

Don't ever stop selling Trump's version of reality, Signym. If you sell to enough voters, he will get reelected in 2020 and that is very important to the GOP, me, and the other 1 Percenters.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:59 PM

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SECOND, the more serious allegations ... that Russia "hacked" the DNC server or that Trump "colluded" with Russia because of blackmail ... are ridiculous.

The other allegations ... that RT promoted the "Russian POV" (that's what they're supposed to do) or that FB hosted (maybe) $50,000 worth of (maybe) Russian-based ads are irrelevant or ineffectual. To agree that Russia "interfered" with the elections is like saying that my spitting into Hurricane Harvey made the flooding worse. TECHNICALLY it raised the water levels, but the effect would be immeasurably tiny.

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:32 PM

McMaster rips Russian 'campaigns of subversion'

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s national security adviser, Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, accused Russia on Tuesday of waging “campaigns of subversion” against the United States and its allies. McMaster also announced that Trump would unveil his first formal National Security Strategy on Dec. 18.

McMaster’s comments about Moscow amounted to unusually sharp criticism from an aide to Trump, who since taking office has repeatedly said he wants better relations with President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mcmaster-rips-russian-campaigns-subversion-
192843053.html

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:13 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"we'd probably save a forrest of trees"

spelling issues .. I'll leave you to figure out which one

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:08 AM

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SECOND, the more serious allegations ... that Russia "hacked" the DNC server or that Trump "colluded" with Russia because of blackmail ... are ridiculous.

The other allegations ... that RT promoted the "Russian POV" (that's what they're supposed to do) or that FB hosted (maybe) $50,000 worth of (maybe) Russian-based ads are irrelevant or ineffectual. To agree that Russia "interfered" with the elections is like saying that my spitting into Hurricane Harvey made the flooding worse. TECHNICALLY it raised the water levels, but the effect would be immeasurably tiny.

I see your point. It might have made no difference to the election.

But there are measurable aftershocks, although very faint. One example: Rex Tillerson acknowledged in a closed-door meeting with U.S. diplomats on Tuesday that Russia “interfered in democratic processes here,” something President Trump still describes as “fake news” intended to delegitimize his presidency. Rex might get fired is the aftershock. When he is fired will be another aftershock of little consequence.

www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-rex-tillerson-in-meeting-with-us-diplo
mats-says-russia-interfered-in-election

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 25, 2017 1:15 PM

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NY Times Frets About Russian Propaganda, Ignores Massive Troll Farms Run by America and Its Allies

Adam Johnson
Fri, Dec 22, 2017

An op-ed by the president of the right-wing human rights group Freedom House, published in the New York Times Monday (12/11/17)—later boosted by New York Times chief White House correspondent Peter Baker—warned of the menace of “commentators, trolls, bots, false news sites and propaganda,” and their negative effects on democracy. Missing from its analysis was any account of how the government that funds its organization (86 percent of Freedom House’s budget comes from the US government, primarily the State Department and USAID) uses social media to stir unrest and undermine governments worldwide.

What the reader was left with was a very selective, curated impression that online social media manipulation is something done exclusively by brown and black people and those dastardly Slavs. The column condemns “surreptitious techniques pioneered in Moscow and Beijing to use the internet to drown out dissent and undermine free elections,” going on to cite online skullduggery in the Philippines, Kenya, Turkey, Mexico and Iran.

Missing from the piece by Freedom House’s Michael Abramowitz is any mention of numerous reports detailing online manipulation by US and allied governments and Western PR firms.

No mention of the Defense Department’s $100 million program Operation Earnest Voice software that “creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda.” No mention of the US Air Force’s 2010 solicitation of “persona management” software designed to create hundreds of sock puppets, “replete with background, history, supporting details and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent.” No mention of USAID (the same government agency, incidentally, that funds Freedom House) secretly creating an entire social media platform to “stir unrest” in Cuba. No mention of the US State Department’s newly created $160 million Global Engagement Center, targeting English-language audiences with unattributed Facebook videos combating, in part, “Russia propaganda.”

Nor was there mention of the UK’s “team of Facebook warriors,” “skilled in psychological operations and use of social media to engage in unconventional warfare in the information age,” or reference to the half-dozen reports of Israeli troll farms promoting pro-Israel propaganda online.

The op-ed had a particular focus on “governing parties” using covert online tools to “inflate their popular support and essentially endorse themselves,” warning that this “devastating new threat to democracy” is used to “undermine elections, political debate and virtually every other aspect of governing.” Yet there was no acknowledgment of the fact that the Hillary Clinton campaign spent $1 million in the 2016 primary to promote its candidate using unattributed social media personas. Nor was there mention of a torrent of pro-Trump bots that infected the 2016 campaign on social media.

Instead, the piece primarily consists of little insight or larger discussion as to the scope of the problem. “The United States and other democracies” are positioned as the victims of online manipulation, never its author. Amid platitudes about “the future of democracy” and “malevolent actors,” the West’s place as noble defenders of Real Information online is simply taken for granted, with, by implication, their ideological satellites—like Freedom House—as neutral arbiters of what is and isn’t propaganda, never practitioners of propaganda themselves.

The US Department of Defense admitted in 2011 that it runs fake social media accounts in Farsi; the vast majority of Farsi speakers live in Iran. What were these accounts doing? Did they influence any elections there? Does Freedom House ask these questions, much less attempt to answer them? Of course not; Iran can only be guilty of “[manipulating] discussions…on social media,” never the victim of it.

Should the New York Times have disclosed that the author of a piece about government propaganda runs a group overwhelmingly funded by the US government? Readers could theoretically do research on their own time to find out who backs the benign-sounding “Freedom House” (who doesn’t love freedom?), but this is a fairly tall order for the average media consumer, doubly so when one considers the whole point of the piece is criticizing unattributed propaganda.

Also missing from Freedom House’s cartoon narrative of Good Western Democracies vs. Bad Governments in the Global South is the issue of sophistication. One of the reasons groups like Freedom House know about clandestine attempts by these governments and affiliated parties to influence online messaging is that they’re mostly bad at it. Hacky, easily identifiable bots, sloppy knock-off websites, transparent “fake news.” The software solicited by the US Air Force in 2010, which would allow each user to control up to ten social media personas at once “without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries,” would presumably be much more difficult to detect.

Social media manipulation is a major problem in urgent need of robust discussion. But outlets like the New York Times—and others, such as Buzzfeed—that focus only on attempts by Official US Enemies, and never direct any criticism inwards, aren’t concerned with having an earnest discussion of the problem. They are, instead, using the specter of online manipulation to smear those in bad standing with the US State Department while deflecting any conversation about what the most powerful country in the history of the world may be up to online.

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Monday, December 25, 2017 11:24 PM

America loves a winner!

Facebook actually has a test to see if you've liked or shared any ' Russian troll farm ' fabricated pages.

https://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-will-let-you-see-what-russian-linke
d-content-you-followed/

** You haven't liked or followed any pages or accounts from the IRA (Internet Research Agency) **

OMG ! I voted for Trump and yet, did NOT get any of my marching orders from Russian troll farm info ! How is this POSSIBLE ?? What could it mean ?

What a complete scam.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, December 26, 2017 3:45 PM

America loves a winner!

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OMG ! I voted for Trump and yet, did NOT get any of my marching orders from Russian troll farm info ! How is this POSSIBLE ?? What could it mean ?

Does it mean you are a devoted Republican?

Odd that is what you get out of what I just posted.

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That's the thing about Russia trying to influence our election: They didn't have to be incredibly effective to be bad. That was a bow shot. They found a great new digital toy and we fell asleep. Believe me, I'd be every bit as pissed if it helped Hillary. I almost feel lilt they tipped their hand a bit early.

And of course we try and influence other people's elections, duh. If anyone tries and bring that up as a defense of Russia's manipulations then A) olde news skippy, and B) you're defending Russia.

How did we fall asleep ? Specifically, by what means did they " INFLUENCE " our election ? Walk me through the A,B,C's of how this had any measurable impact on the election. If you can.

Obama used his campaign resources to personally try to influence the Israeli elections. It failed. And that was overt, direct cash payments and use of WH manpower , not some ethereal mind control web endeavor.

Defense of Russia doing WHAT, exactly ? No one knows what they did, or how it influenced ANYTHING !!!

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, December 27, 2017 7:48 AM

What's your solution to this, G?

Censorship? Some sort of overseer?

Who decides what is real and what is not real news?

If they did something about it today with Republicans running the show, I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't like the result.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:17 AM

America loves a winner!

G - I feel we're talking past each other. The premise that the Russians ' tampered' with the election is as open ended in meaning as asking what's the meaning of life.

Depends on who you ask. And that's my problem w/ this witch hunt focusing on Trump. Every one of the primary players in charge of the investigation is a loyal Obama or Hillary supporter. That's not exaggeration or hyperbole. The lead investigator stated it plainly enough in his text to his MISTRESS, the other FBI agent he was having an affair with at the time. ( dunno if they're still knocking boots ) Seems there was a time when such activity alone would be enough to get you tossed out of the FBI, or demoted to lower status, but that's an aside.

Claims of reports by Vanity Fair is hardly convincing. Meanwhile, we had hard evidence of Hillary's " ducks on the ground " campaign to stir up violence and cause trouble at Trump rallies, complete w/ names and video of actual players who participated, so claiming some Russians may have ( dubious ) organized pro Trump rallies really falls short.

Take this sentence -

" Though most Russian efforts unveiled thus far seem to have been aimed at weaponizing the far right, the existence of BlackMattersUS indicates Russian agents were equally motivated to infiltrate the far left in order to amplify partisan divides that would simultaneously energize Trump’s base and disillusion Hillary’s "

Note the language being used... " weaponizing " the far right. Weaponizing is what Obama did to the IRS with Lois Lerner and harassing the TEA party groups. And how does the writer KNOW that such efforts to infiltrate the far Left would only energize the Right, but disillusion the Left ? They have to admit that what ever the Russians did, it was to mess with ALL of us , and yet the focus is ONLY on Trump ?

This is a fairy tale, generated out of sheer hate and anger that Trump won, and Hillary lost.

Hillary's UraniumONE deal and the ties she had as SecState and The Clinton Foundation are the REAL story here. All this noise about Trump / Russia is nothing but a massive smoke screen.

* Obama thought he could influence the Israeli election because he thought he could oust Netanyahu. And it DID almost work.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Wednesday, December 27, 2017 2:49 PM

America loves a winner!

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Thanks for your response. I don't want to waste any more of your time so I'll focus on this one thing:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is a fairy tale, generated out of sheer hate and anger that Trump won, and Hillary lost.

I just can't believe that was motivation for any of this. No one cared that much for HIllary to keep working this hard on her behalf after that big of a stink bomb went off around her. That was a historic loss. She went into hiding. Who's paying them? What's their angle? They have other jobs and real lives to live that include doing anything that doesn't have her bad karma attached.
Sorry, I think the big scary Hillary revenge machine is as big a fiction as the "Deep State" - just convenient Bogey men that no one can disprove.

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Tell that to the folks in the FBI. Aside from loving Hillary, they were openly aggressive to the IDEA of Trump winning. Their own texts reveal their true thoughts. I don't have to invent anything, because it literally is in their own words.

Carrying on the Obama era policies is also why those in the Deep State were so motivated to push this bogus investigation. No one can disprove ? It's right out in the open, for all to see ! Just open your eyes !

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Saturday, December 30, 2017 2:36 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

This isn't about Hillary, except she was a tried and true deep-stater that tptb wanted to put in place.

The CIA has a series of strategies for soft-coups escalating to military action if needed (Confessions of an Economic Hit Man), and what's being done to Trump is literally a textbook example.

As far as Trump's plan to normalize relations with Russia, whatever his motivation was (common-sense survival ie it pays to not get into a nuclear pissing-match with Russia --to-- personal business interests) it's over. And the anti-Trump propaganda has dropped from a pyroclastic-volcanic level to a mere blurping mud-pot level accordingly.

Politically, Russian relations were an anomaly in the Trump campaign, as nobody in his population 'base' or his political party was for it. Given the war the Deep State launched on Trump because of it, he dropped that right quick, and is now focusing exclusively on his domestic agenda, which aligns much more closely with his areas of political support.

And just because one side is wrong, it doesn't make the other side right. Or the third side, either. I'll leave it unstated who is Hillary, Trump, and the Deep State in the mathematical equation T not equals G, H not equals T, D not equals G, does not mean H equals G.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:53 PM

Russian trolls suck

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