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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

golly.
From those stories he sounds almost as bad as Jerry Seinfeld, dating his 12 year old girlfriend. Almost.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:



From those stories he sounds almost as bad as Jerry Seinfeld, dating his 12 year old girlfriend.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:



From those stories he sounds almost as bad as Jerry Seinfeld, dating his 12 year old girlfriend.

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It's ok, JSF...we know you are a little slow.

This is a 2. This is a 7. I know they kinda look alike, so focus.

One is not legal in any state, one is. I'll give you a hint, it's the one with the seven. 7. (specifically, 17)

14 is also NOT LEGAL, unless her parents approve...and even then you and they should be taken out and shot.

The reason we don't let people date 12 year olds is because if a twelve yr old gives birth it is likely to kill her without medical intervention.

Not that your party cares about that.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.


SGG

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Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.


SGG

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Evidence?
Photos?
Tape recordings?
Propositions written on paper?
Stained clothing?
Eyewitness testimony of this or similar behavior?
Bruises that she showed someone at the time?
Someone (at least) that she told shortly afterwards to corroborate her statement?

I know that sexual harassment/ sexual assault often becomes a "he said- she said" thing, and because girls or young women are often intimidated by a differential in age and power quite often the statements don't come out until long afterwards. So I'm not saying it didn't happen, but that you still don't understand the nature of evidence. How do you even try a case like this??? (I have said the same thing about Bill Clinton. Allegations are just allegations until proven.)

By the way, in addition to the PRACTICAL reason of not killing a young girl if she should become pregnant, there is also a LEGAL reason for limiting the age of consent, and that is that young people of either sex often don't have the experience or judgment to consent to ANYthing, which is why they can't get credit card accounts or sign contracts.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, these type of cases, a "he said, she said" often comes down to credibility; Who do you believe. This is not about hard evidence, but rather about the preponderance of evidence: the logical more convincing evidence and "it's probable truth and accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence." Of course, this is all subjective.

But here's the kicker in all of this: the statute of limitations has expired for there to be a criminal charge. So, this is not a criminal case. This is more a case considering the possible position for public service, namely the Senate. If, as a concerned citizen, you knew that a possible psychopath was running for public office, and you could prevent it from happening, what would you do? I remember when Clinton was running for president and Flowers came out the woodwork, we were all wondering.

The record shows that this man sought out young girls, not women, girls for sexual encounters and was banned from the local mall because he harassed these young girls at or below the age of consent. He took advantage of a minor who didn't have the maturity, physical strength or mental capacity of a consenting adult. Now he cloaks himself in the moral hypocrisy of corporate religion, or rather the institution of religion, pretending to be holier than thou claiming moral authority above the heathens and non-believers.

He hides his "sins" among the weak-willed and weak-minded to gain favor and possible ascension to the senate. As I stated above, the record speaks for itself, or as you could put it - the evidence. The 5th Accuser has his signed note in her yearbook as proof that they once new each other (he claims he never met her), and as for the 14 year old; WAPO has 30 witnesses who have been interviewed and provided statements. Plus 3 other victims who have come forward and given their full names. Again, not evidence in the strict sense, but enough to paint a rather disturbing picture of the man's moral character all those many years ago.

Is that enough to convict a man? No!

But we are not talking about criminal prosecution. This is a horse of a different color. The US Senate is an exclusive club of the highest order, membership does not come cheaply. So this case will be "tried" in the court of public opinion, of which everyone has one, two or three. Should his sordid, disgusting past keep him from serving the public and prevent him from joining the club? The pattern has been established (funny, there goes that word again - establishment); the die has been cast. Moore's behavior also must be taken into consideration; even if he's atoned for his sins privately to his maker via a confession and a rebirth in the tradition of the Christian faith. Therein lies the rub, he is now proclaiming his submission to serve the public and cannot hide behind the Bible.

He must, if he is to serve the people of Alabama, confess and publicly apologize to his victims. How so? Because he is to serve the public and must atone publicly for his violation of the public trust (since he was an assistant DA) - thereby serving both God and man. I say this despite the fact that in the Bible it clearly states that you cannot serve both.

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Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

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If he is truly a God-fearing Christian man, he will do this of his own accord, without hesitation and without question. This is the teachings of Jesus. No fanfare, no trumpets blaring and no grand announcements. God will reward or punish.

But, of course, this will not happen. He has shown to be defiant and stubborn (two Christian modes of moral submission to God/Jesus). He has steadfastly claimed that he has not committed these acts of sexual misconduct despite the fact that these women have come forward, and blaming the media for his alleged misdeeds. So why would the mall ban him from entering and patronizing the shops and stores? Good question right? Why doesn't BreitBart or ZeroHedge actually do some investigative reporting and dig into that aspect of the story. Talk to the manager of the mall, if he/she is still alive; or request the records that show the reason why.
Gee, I wonder how WAPO did it?


SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.


SGG

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Evidence?
Photos?
Tape recordings?
Propositions written on paper?
Stained clothing?
Eyewitness testimony of this or similar behavior?
Bruises that she showed someone at the time?
Someone (at least) that she told shortly afterwards to corroborate her statement?

I know that sexual harassment/ sexual assault often becomes a "he said- she said" thing, and because girls or young women are often intimidated by a differential in age and power quite often the statements don't come out until long afterwards. So I'm not saying it didn't happen, but that you still don't understand the nature of evidence. How do you even try a case like this??? (I have said the same thing about Bill Clinton. Allegations are just allegations until proven.)

By the way, in addition to the PRACTICAL reason of not killing a young girl if she should become pregnant, there is also a LEGAL reason for limiting the age of consent, and that is that young people of either sex often don't have the experience or judgment to consent to ANYthing, which is why they can't get credit card accounts or sign contracts.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Originally posted by kpo:
Part of me hopes he wins - just to show how rotten the GOP and conservative movement has become.

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Bill Clinton should have resigned. What he did to Monica Lewinsky was wrong, and he should have paid that price.

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We should get some mo betta qualified Senators, like Hilliary.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, these type of cases, a "he said, she said" often comes down to credibility; Who do you believe. This is not about hard evidence, but rather about the preponderance of evidence: the logical more convincing evidence and "it's probable truth and accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence." Of course, this is all subjective.

But here's the kicker in all of this: the statute of limitations has expired for there to be a criminal charge. So, this is not a criminal case. This is more a case considering the possible position for public service, namely the Senate. If, as a concerned citizen, you knew that a possible psychopath was running for public office, and you could prevent it from happening, what would you do? I remember when Clinton was running for president and Flowers came out the woodwork, we were all wondering.

The record shows that this man sought out young girls, not women, girls for sexual encounters and was banned from the local mall because he harassed these young girls at or below the age of consent. He took advantage of a minor who didn't have the maturity, physical strength or mental capacity of a consenting adult. Now he cloaks himself in the moral hypocrisy of corporate religion, or rather the institution of religion, pretending to be holier than thou claiming moral authority above the heathens and non-believers.

He hides his "sins" among the weak-willed and weak-minded to gain favor and possible ascension to the senate. As I stated above, the record speaks for itself, or as you could put it - the evidence. The 5th Accuser has his signed note in her yearbook as proof that they once new each other (he claims he never met her), and as for the 14 year old; WAPO has 30 witnesses who have been interviewed and provided statements. Plus 3 other victims who have come forward and given their full names. Again, not evidence in the strict sense, but enough to paint a rather disturbing picture of the man's moral character all those many years ago.

Is that enough to convict a man? No!

But we are not talking about criminal prosecution. This is a horse of a different color. The US Senate is an exclusive club of the highest order, membership does not come cheaply. So this case will be "tried" in the court of public opinion, of which everyone has one, two or three. Should his sordid, disgusting past keep him from serving the public and prevent him from joining the club? The pattern has been established (funny, there goes that word again - establishment); the die has been cast. Moore's behavior also must be taken into consideration; even if he's atoned for his sins privately to his maker via a confession and a rebirth in the tradition of the Christian faith. Therein lies the rub, he is now proclaiming his submission to serve the public and cannot hide behind the Bible.

He must, if he is to serve the people of Alabama, confess and publicly apologize to his victims. How so? Because he is to serve the public and must atone publicly for his violation of the public trust (since he was an assistant DA) - thereby serving both God and man. I say this despite the fact that in the Bible it clearly states that you cannot serve both.

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Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

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If he is truly a God-fearing Christian man, he will do this of his own accord, without hesitation and without question. This is the teachings of Jesus. No fanfare, no trumpets blaring and no grand announcements. God will reward or punish.

But, of course, this will not happen. He has shown to be defiant and stubborn (two Christian modes of moral submission to God/Jesus). He has steadfastly claimed that he has not committed these acts of sexual misconduct despite the fact that these women have come forward, and blaming the media for his alleged misdeeds. So why would the mall ban him from entering and patronizing the shops and stores? Good question right? Why doesn't BreitBart or ZeroHedge actually do some investigative reporting and dig into that aspect of the story. Talk to the manager of the mall, if he/she is still alive; or request the records that show the reason why.
Gee, I wonder how WAPO did it?


SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.


SGG

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Evidence?
Photos?
Tape recordings?
Propositions written on paper?
Stained clothing?
Eyewitness testimony of this or similar behavior?
Bruises that she showed someone at the time?
Someone (at least) that she told shortly afterwards to corroborate her statement?

I know that sexual harassment/ sexual assault often becomes a "he said- she said" thing, and because girls or young women are often intimidated by a differential in age and power quite often the statements don't come out until long afterwards. So I'm not saying it didn't happen, but that you still don't understand the nature of evidence. How do you even try a case like this??? (I have said the same thing about Bill Clinton. Allegations are just allegations until proven.)

By the way, in addition to the PRACTICAL reason of not killing a young girl if she should become pregnant, there is also a LEGAL reason for limiting the age of consent, and that is that young people of either sex often don't have the experience or judgment to consent to ANYthing, which is why they can't get credit card accounts or sign contracts.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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yep. We should get some mo betta qualified Senators, like Hilliary.

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Originally posted by kpo:
Part of me hopes he wins - just to show how rotten the GOP and conservative movement has become.

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Bill Clinton should have resigned. What he did to Monica Lewinsky was wrong, and he should have paid that price.

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Yes, he should have, but Monica Lewinsky was not his biggest crime. GWB should have resigned too, as should Obama and Trump. And Hillary too. But not for personal crimes but for corruption in office.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:



From those stories he sounds almost as bad as Jerry Seinfeld, dating his 12 year old girlfriend.

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It's ok, JSF...we know you are a little slow.

This is a 2. This is a 7. I know they kinda look alike, so focus.

One is not legal in any state, one is. I'll give you a hint, it's the one with the seven. 7. (specifically, 17)

14 is also NOT LEGAL, unless her parents approve...and even then you and they should be taken out and shot.

The reason we don't let people date 12 year olds is because if a twelve yr old gives birth it is likely to kill her without medical intervention.

Not that your party cares about that.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Add Al Franken to the list of scumbags.

Here's a surprise - The King of Scumbags tweets about the Franken Case, but silent on the Moore Case. Now isn't that special!


SGG

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Add Al Franken to the list of scumbags.

Here's a surprise - The King of Scumbags tweets about the Franken Case, but silent on the Moore Case. Now isn't that special!


SGG

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If Senator Al Franken was forced to resign, Democrats have an opportunity to maintain the moral high ground without having to pay a political price for it. The Democrat Governor would appoint a Democrat to replace Franken. The Democrats could keep the pressure up on Moore. And they could help to establish a precedent wherein severe instances of sexual harassment warrant resignation. In the long run, that might create more of a problem for Republicans than for Democrats, because the overwhelming majority of sexual harassment is conducted by men, and there are 265 Republican men in Congress compared with 164 Democratic ones.

Instead, Democrats basically punted on the question. They are making a huge policy mistake. With Al Franken kicked out, Trump would be next. He has more than a dozen well-documented, on-the-record allegations of sexual assault against him. The fact that those allegations are known doesn’t make them less serious, and the fact that he won the Electoral College despite them does not absolve him. It is a good thing for the country and our future that we are taking sexual assault so seriously. But it is a very, very bad thing if the one exception is the most powerful, prominent abuser in the world.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/26/16526922/harvey-weinstein-d
onald-trump-sexual-harassment
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-missed-a-chance-to-draw
-a-line-in-the-sand-on-sexual-misconduct/

17 women have accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct. It’s time to revisit those stories --> https://qz.com/1130324]

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What Franken admitted to and apologized for is yes, sexual harassment. If it is the last accusation against him it is possible what he did was a one off. A mistake which he is now paying for.

My point is that if more women come forward then he is a serial offender and should resign. If as I suggested it is a one time mistake, then those calling for his resignation are caught up in a frenzy and should back up a bit.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Add Al Franken to the list of scumbags.

Here's a surprise - The King of Scumbags tweets about the Franken Case, but silent on the Moore Case. Now isn't that special!


SGG

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If Senator Al Franken was forced to resign, Democrats have an opportunity to maintain the moral high ground without having to pay a political price for it. The Democrat Governor would appoint a Democrat to replace Franken. The Democrats could keep the pressure up on Moore. And they could help to establish a precedent wherein severe instances of sexual harassment warrant resignation. In the long run, that might create more of a problem for Republicans than for Democrats, because the overwhelming majority of sexual harassment is conducted by men, and there are 265 Republican men in Congress compared with 164 Democratic ones.

Instead, Democrats basically punted on the question. They are making a huge policy mistake. With Al Franken kicked out, Trump would be next. He has more than a dozen well-documented, on-the-record allegations of sexual assault against him. The fact that those allegations are known doesn’t make them less serious, and the fact that he won the Electoral College despite them does not absolve him. It is a good thing for the country and our future that we are taking sexual assault so seriously. But it is a very, very bad thing if the one exception is the most powerful, prominent abuser in the world.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/26/16526922/harvey-weinstein-d
onald-trump-sexual-harassment
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-missed-a-chance-to-draw
-a-line-in-the-sand-on-sexual-misconduct/

17 women have accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct. It’s time to revisit those stories --> https://qz.com/1130324]

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What Franken admitted to and apologized for is yes, sexual harassment. If it is the last accusation against him it is possible what he did was a one off. A mistake which he is now paying for.

My point is that if more women come forward then he is a serial offender and should resign. If as I suggested it is a one time mistake, then those calling for his resignation are caught up in a frenzy and should back up a bit.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.


SGG

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It appears Franken has another accuser. If he goes I hope it is sooner rather than later and a democrat finishes his term.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Add Charlie Rose to the growing list of Scumbags.....stay tuned.


SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.


SGG

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
It appears Franken has another accuser. If he goes I hope it is sooner rather than later and a democrat finishes his term.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Add Charlie Rose to the growing list of Scumbags.....stay tuned.


SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Apparently "Judge" Moore was well known for chasing after underaged girls in and around town. The dirty little hornball.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/local-residents-moore-was-known
-for-flirting-with-dating-teenage-girls/ar-BBEVRWo?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

http://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/new-accuser-steps-forward-in-roy-moor
e-case-live-updates/

Not only did she describe an encounter with him, but she has evidence.
Scumbag is as a scumbag does.


SGG

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