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According to a Daily Beast report on Thursday, the special counsel has enlisted the help of agents from the criminal investigation unit of the Internal Revenue Service.

“I think he got everybody’s tax returns,” said Mariotti, now a defense attorney at Thompson Coburn in Chicago. “I have no professional, personal knowledge of it, but when you’re looking at someone for something unrelated to taxes, still to get tax return information is very valuable information that tells you a lot of valuable things: who owes them money, who they owe money to, and where they keep their money.”

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According to a Daily Beast report on Thursday, the special counsel has enlisted the help of agents from the criminal investigation unit of the Internal Revenue Service.

“I think he got everybody’s tax returns,” said Mariotti, now a defense attorney at Thompson Coburn in Chicago. “I have no professional, personal knowledge of it, but when you’re looking at someone for something unrelated to taxes, still to get tax return information is very valuable information that tells you a lot of valuable things: who owes them money, who they owe money to, and where they keep their money.”

This is getting more and more interesting!

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With long precedent of presidents crafting, explaining, debating, negotiating, and selling bills, Trump is under increasing pressure to read one.

Press rips Prez for lack of intellectual curiosity, then slams him for expressing curiosity about his pardoning authority. Can't have it both ways!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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That Mueller brought in the IRS makes it look more and more like the initial "Russian collusion" allegation is deader than a doornail.

I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with charges about everything BUT. Let's keep an eye out for it. Just to keep things interesting, we should start a drinking game for every time "Russian collusion" is charged.

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There's enough people on the task. Government employees only work at about 1/4 of their potential because of a lack of motivation.

Put their jobs on the line and watch it get done quickly.

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Typical of Trump, he’s too incompetent to implement even policies that are straightforward and have broad bipartisan support:

….The Trump administration is also moving to cut off from the international financial system Chinese banks and trading companies that supply Pyongyang, however, those cases are moving slowly because of the hiring freeze at the State Department and personnel shortages at the Justice and Treasury departments, according to Stanton. “The government has made some of the right policy decisions, at least in sanctions, but they are not putting enough people on task," he said.

www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-un-north-korea-20170904-story.html

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That Mueller brought in the IRS makes it look more and more like the initial "Russian collusion" allegation is deader than a doornail.

I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with charges about everything BUT. Let's keep an eye out for it. Just to keep things interesting, we should start a drinking game for every time "Russian collusion" is charged.

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And you know this because...?


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There's enough people on the task. Government employees only work at about 1/4 of their potential because of a lack of motivation.

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So the same IRS which denied Americans their 1st Amendment rights under Obama and targeted citizens for their political views is now the tool by which the same Deep State wants to go after a duly elected President ?

Trump could have fired Comey because he didn't like his tie. The President doesn't NEED a reason.

But the fact that Comey did in fact exonerate Trump, 3x, but refused to say so publically is proof he needed to be fired.

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So the same IRS which denied Americans their 1st Amendment rights under Obama and targeted citizens for their political views is now the tool by which the same Deep State wants to go after a duly elected President ?

Trump could have fired Comey because he didn't like his tie. The President doesn't NEED a reason.

But the fact that Comey did in fact exonerate Trump, 3x, but refused to say so publically is proof he needed to be fired.

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Mueller is about to subpoena Trump aides and administration officials, including Reince Priebus and Trump's White House attorneys. He will depose them and grill them for info regarding the Kelly appointment and subsequent dismissal.

This has 'international incident' written all over it.


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So the same IRS which denied Americans their 1st Amendment rights under Obama and targeted citizens for their political views is now the tool by which the same Deep State wants to go after a duly elected President ?

Trump could have fired Comey because he didn't like his tie. The President doesn't NEED a reason.

But the fact that Comey did in fact exonerate Trump, 3x, but refused to say so publically is proof he needed to be fired.

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There's enough people on the task. Government employees only work at about 1/4 of their potential because of a lack of motivation.

Put their jobs on the line and watch it get done quickly.

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Because I've been laid off twice in the private sector from two high paying jobs, and I've avoided twice as many layoffs.

Government employees don't worry about losing their jobs. This is the number one reason why people dread having to work with any government employees to get anything done. They don't care. They're lazy, unmotivated, and in the case of the forced diversity hires that trump actual talent they are also unqualified for the position in the first place.


Start cracking the whip and letting them know that their jobs are on the line if they don't start performing and you'll see all the little ants get in a line to start working.

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What you're talking about is the DMV syndrome...(Dept. of Motor Vehicles); they are notorious for being lazy SOBs. But I've worked the private sector as well, and I have found pockets of laziness within the corporate system that closely matches that of government employment.

I used to work for a large company that didn't have a clue what their own employees did for a living within their own system. Both bosses and workers shuffling papers and their feet until it was quitting time. So it happens everywhere, with all kinds of people (just in case you had it in mind that only certain type of people are lazy).

Each individual must answer to themselves on their work ethic.


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The Fake Americans Russia Created to Influence the Election
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Both on the left and the pro-Trump right, though, some skeptics complain that Moscow has become the automatic boogeyman, accused of misdeeds with little proof. Even those who track Russian online activity admit that in the election it was not always easy to sort out who was who.

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The Times contacted several such users, who insisted that they had come by their anti-American, pro-Russian views honestly, without payment or instructions from Moscow.

“Hillary’s a warmonger,” said Marilyn Justice, 66, who lives in Nova Scotia and tweets as @mkj1951. Of Mr. Putin, she said in an interview, “I think he’s very patient in the face of provocations.”
Ms. Justice said she had first taken an interest in Russia during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, while looking for hockey coverage and finding what she considered a snide anti-Russia bias in the Western media. She said she did get a lot of news from Sputnik and RT but laughed at the notion that she could have Kremlin connections.
Another of the so-called Kremlin trolls, Marcel Sardo, 48, a web producer in Zurich, describes himself bluntly on his Twitter bio as a “Pro-Russia Media-Sniper.” He said he shared notes daily via Skype and Twitter with online acquaintances, including Ms. Justice ...

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The former KGB invested in a massive operation, Russian troll farms, to beat Clinton. Russians posing as Americans came within just 3 million votes of pulling that off, enough to give Putin what he wanted.

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Going through this article, I've concluded that - once again - there's a notable lack of evidence for any of its claims.

Even more troubling, the article puts genuine people with honestly-held opinions in the same category as alleged bots and trolls - as alleged warriors on the alleged pro-Russian side of the alleged information war. They are people who spread things 'American officials' don't want you to think.

The only propaganda I find evidence for in this article, is the article itself.

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Well, supposedly Russia created fake Americans. But there's no indication that, even if it did, they influenced the election. Otherwise, the title would have been "The Fake Americans Russia Created THAT InfluenceD the Election".
Is there evidence for the claim?
Was the election ACTUALLY influenced?
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There is not now, nor has there ever been, evidence that Russians did it. So right at the start, I'm pretty sure that this is propaganda, pushing a false, but often-echoed, narrative as 'news'.

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The case for Twitter is even weaker.

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“We know we have to stay vigilant to keep ahead of people who try to misuse our platform,” Alex Stamos, Facebook’s chief security officer, wrote on Wednesday in a post about the Russia-linked fake accounts and ads. “We believe in protecting the integrity of civic discourse.”

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According to FB, "information operations” are a very small fraction of the total.
But it would be nice if they gave an actual estimated figure. "Less than" 0.1% could be 0.000000000000000000001%, and we couldn't tell. (Though it could be that their tracking software doesn't go down to less than 0.1%, as a figure below significance.)

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Russia has been quite open about playing its hacking card. ... “We are living in 1948,” said the adviser, Andrey Krutskikh, referring to the eve of the first Soviet atomic bomb test, in a speech reported by The Washington Post. “I’m warning you: We are at the verge of having something in the information arena that will allow to us to talk to the Americans as equals.”

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Both on the left and the pro-Trump right, though, some skeptics complain that Moscow has become the automatic boogeyman, accused of misdeeds with little proof. Even those who track Russian online activity admit that in the election it was not always easy to sort out who was who.

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Aside from that, the article frequently admits it has little (I'd say no) evidence, AS IF that admission somehow exonerates it from making specious claims.
IT DOESN'T.
This is supposed to be a news article. But it's barely disguised propaganda at best, and lazy idle gossip with a NYTimes megaphone at worst.

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That's worse than gossip or even propaganda.
It seeks to delegitimize and actively stifle freedom of speech, of expression ... and of thought.

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The Times contacted several such users, who insisted that they had come by their anti-American, pro-Russian views honestly, without payment or instructions from Moscow.

“Hillary’s a warmonger,” said Marilyn Justice, 66, who lives in Nova Scotia and tweets as @mkj1951. Of Mr. Putin, she said in an interview, “I think he’s very patient in the face of provocations.”
Ms. Justice said she had first taken an interest in Russia during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia, while looking for hockey coverage and finding what she considered a snide anti-Russia bias in the Western media. She said she did get a lot of news from Sputnik and RT but laughed at the notion that she could have Kremlin connections.
Another of the so-called Kremlin trolls, Marcel Sardo, 48, a web producer in Zurich, describes himself bluntly on his Twitter bio as a “Pro-Russia Media-Sniper.” He said he shared notes daily via Skype and Twitter with online acquaintances, including Ms. Justice ...

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are nowhere to be found in the actual propagand ... I mean ... article, itself.

So not only is the article more fake news, but SECOND is reduced to lying even about that content to try and make its point.

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That Mueller brought in the IRS makes it look more and more like the initial "Russian collusion" allegation is deader than a doornail.

I wouldn't be surprised if he came up with charges about everything BUT. Let's keep an eye out for it. Just to keep things interesting, we should start a drinking game for every time "Russian collusion" is charged.

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I do need to get on with my day.

This effort will cost me in sleep at the end of the day as I try to catch up with real life, after trying to dislodge insane propaganda from the minds of crazy people who couldn't engage in one iota of critical thinking if their lives depended on it.

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I do need to get on with my day.

This effort will cost me in sleep at the end of the day as I try to catch up with real life, after trying to dislodge insane propaganda from the minds of crazy people who couldn't engage in one iota of critical thinking if their lives depended on it.

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You know something Keeks, I was wrong about you. I have come to appreciate the masterful skill and effort you exhibit in the art of disengaging fact from fiction in the NY Times article regarding the "Fake Americans" allegedly planted by the Russian government.

To think, you were able to decipher the propaganda machine of the ultra-conservative

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You know something Keeks, I was wrong about you. I have come to appreciate the masterful skill and effort you exhibit in the art of disengaging fact from fiction in the NY Times article regarding the "Fake Americans" allegedly planted by the Russian government.
To think, you were able to decipher the propaganda machine of the ultra-conservative so-called "professionals" of the Times, and disseminate the truth. You carefully and thoughtfully dismantled the cadre of lies promoted as truth by the obvious insane hordes of the anti-Russian propagandists. They mindlessly, and without a shred of hard evidence, scatter disinformation across the country like locusts; feeding the brainless followers of injustice and chaos.
You brilliantly expose the "crazies" who don't have brain one among them and who are incapable of critical thinking, so much so that they might as well be dead. The Walking Dead. I hope that you pursue your talent for "dislodging insane propaganda" and devote your life to your journalistic skill in exposing the lies from the "professionals" who do this for a living on a day-to-day basis; obviously they are in the wrong business.
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You know something Keeks, I was wrong about you. I have come to appreciate the masterful skill and effort you exhibit in the art of disengaging fact from fiction in the NY Times article regarding the "Fake Americans" allegedly planted by the Russian government.
To think, you were able to decipher the propaganda machine of the ultra-conservative so-called "professionals" of the Times, and disseminate the truth. You carefully and thoughtfully dismantled the cadre of lies promoted as truth by the obvious insane hordes of the anti-Russian propagandists. They mindlessly, and without a shred of hard evidence, scatter disinformation across the country like locusts; feeding the brainless followers of injustice and chaos.
You brilliantly expose the "crazies" who don't have brain one among them and who are incapable of critical thinking, so much so that they might as well be dead. The Walking Dead. I hope that you pursue your talent for "dislodging insane propaganda" and devote your life to your journalistic skill in exposing the lies from the "professionals" who do this for a living on a day-to-day basis; obviously they are in the wrong business.
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As extreme as Trump is, the dems have failed to capitalize on the situation.

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Heard the news say Mueller is ready to arrest somebody tomorrow.

Is Anybody betting on who it will be?
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Heard the news say Mueller is ready to arrest somebody tomorrow.

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or be impeached.
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Something cost the democrats that belief.

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Pence is a wanna-be Bible Thumper and would subject us to Bible verses that he neither follows or believes in. I still can't get over his statement that he goes everywhere with his wife so as not to be tempted by other women.
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SECOND:

About spending tax-money on the poor, especially the nonwhite poor.

I hate charity, yanno that? Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.

Charity is what happens when the wealthy elite toss a few crumbs back of what they've stolen.

Instead of charity, how about FAIRNESS?

There's a reason why my signature is about pity, which would be no more if the system wasn't rigged to make so many people desperately poor and so very few unimaginably wealthy.

So instead of arguing for "charity", how about arguing for fairness? (I think I know the answer to that.)


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Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Charity is like the Alaskan trapper, stuck out in the middle of nowhere, who cuts off his dog's tail (Yanno, that essential piece of anatomy that keeps a dog from freezing to death), eats it, then looks at his poor, shivering dog trying to wrap itself in a bleeding stump of a tail, and tosses is a few of its own bones.

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Where do you get this sh#t?? No wonder you’re world view is so messed up.

So great, argue for “Fairness” until you’re blue in the face. And while you do the poor should wait? No? Right, the people Without your money and resources will be relying on Charity to get through another day. Walk a mile, toots.

G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant.

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Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. That's a corrupt site that manipulates news stories and reposts them. The staff there hide their identities.

What's my point? SIG lies about everything so why would you believe she is successful? Why would you believe she has money or anything the comes with being well to do? She is a Russian troll, nothing more.

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Where do you get this sh#t?? No wonder you’re world view is so messed up. So great, argue for “Fairness” until you’re blue in the face. And while you do the poor should wait? No? Right, the people Without your money and resources will be relying on Charity to get through another day. Walk a mile, toots. - POSTED BY G, traveling, posting as CaptainCrunch. Replies may be spotty or non existant

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Since joining this site I can say SIG has posted nothing but lies and misinformation. Her favorite resource is zerohedge. That's a corrupt site that manipulates news stories and reposts them. The staff there hide their identities. What's my point? SIG lies about everything so why would you believe she is successful? Why would you believe she has money or anything the comes with being well to do? She is a Russian troll, nothing more. - THUGR

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