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"Evidens". So, where are we now?
Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Russia tests Zircon hypersonic missile system, which it says makes U.S. defenses obsolete Russia declared today its first test of a hypersonic missile, a year ahead of schedule. Defense analysts proclaimed the test made U.S. missile defense systems obsolete. American missile defense has been a thorn in the side of the Kremlin since the days of Ronald Reagan’s SDI, or Strategic Defense Initiative. One could argue that SDI broke the back of the Soviet Union financially and technologically and forced Gorbachev to realize the U.S.S.R. could not beat America in a missile defense arms race. The Russian international news site Sputnik suggested the missile, named Zircon, could be installed on Pyotr Veliky, the country’s nuclear-powered missile strike ship. Analysts stated the missile concept can fly at 4,600 miles per hour — that’s 6 times the speed of sound — and would be practically impervious to missile defense systems, reported The Independent. Military analyst Vladimir Tuchkov told Sputnik: “It (the Zircon missile system) is expected to be added into Russia’s arsenal between 2018 and 2020.” China and Russia have searched for asymmetric weapons that can defeat American carriers that project power and missile systems that protect the homeland against foreign nuclear attack. Hypersonic missiles are part of this effort and are here to stay as a quantum leap in destructive military firepower.
Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:51 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote: https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trumps-100-days-of-broken-promises-a4 c116bbb2b4 Trump's Dozen Broken Promises 1. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it. Then he bombed Syria. 2. He said he’d build a wall along the border with Mexico. You bought it. Now his secretary of homeland security says, “It’s unlikely that we will build a wall.” 3. He said he’d clean up the Washington swamp. You bought it. Then he brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses. 4. He said he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “wonderful.” You bought it. Then he didn’t. 5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. Then he created the most chaotic, dysfunctional, backstabbing White House in modern history, in which no one is in charge. 6. He said he’d release his tax returns, eventually. You bought it. He hasn’t, and says he never will. 7. He said he’d divest himself from his financial empire, to avoid any conflicts of interest. You bought it. He remains heavily involved in his businesses, makes money off of foreign dignitaries staying at his Washington hotel, gets China to give the Trump brand trademark and copyright rights, manipulates the stock market on a daily basis and has more conflicts of interest than can even be counted. 8. He said Hillary Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs and would do whatever they said. You bought it. Then he put half a dozen Goldman Sachs executives in positions of power in his administration. 9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people. You bought it. Then he put Betsy DeVos, an opponent of public education, in charge of education; Jeff Sessions, an opponent of the Voting Rights Act, in charge of voting rights; Ben Carson, an opponent of the Fair Housing Act, in charge of fair housing; Scott Pruitt, a climate change denier, in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency; and Russian quisling Rex Tillerson as secretary of state. 10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law. You bought it. Then he said his predecessor, Barack Obama, spied on him, without any evidence of Obama ever doing so, in order to divert attention from the FBI’s investigation into collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives to win the election. 11. He said he knew more about strategy and terrorism than the generals did. You bought it. Then he green-lighted a disastrous raid in Yemen, even though his generals said it would be a terrible idea. This raid resulted in the deaths of a Navy SEAL, an 8-year-old American girl and numerous civilians. The actual target of the raid escaped, and no useful intel was gained 12. He called Obama “the vacationer-in-chief” and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer’s dime, not when there was so much important work to be done. You bought it. He has by now spent more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama did in the first three years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.
Sunday, July 23, 2017 3:10 PM
Quote:I don't believe Signym and 1kiki have given their real reasons for supporting Trump.
Sunday, July 23, 2017 3:25 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar. The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted. What tipped me off was the very first thing SLOPPY SECONDS pretended to quote. The words "you bought it" are not found anywhere in the article. And in fact Trump never made a promise to not bomb Syria.
Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar. The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted.
Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY SECONDS: Try again, 1kiki, on Trump's promises about Syria. You might learn that you don't know what Trump said and how it differs from what he did: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-syria-strike-is-trumps-first-big-break-from-his-campaign-rhetoric/
Quote:A defining feature of the early part of Trump’s tenure has been the consistency between his campaign rhetoric and his actions as president, including eliminating environmental regulations, trying to ban travelers from majority-Muslim countries and more aggressively enforcing immigration law.
Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar. The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted. Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY SECONDS: Try again, 1kiki, on Trump's promises about Syria. You might learn that you don't know what Trump said and how it differs from what he did: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-syria-strike-is-trumps-first-big-break-from-his-campaign-rhetoric/] So now you're linking a DIFFERENT link to prove you didn't lie with your first one. You're a lying asswipe dolt. BTW - your NEW link shows Trump keeping his promises: Quote:A defining feature of the early part of Trump’s tenure has been the consistency between his campaign rhetoric and his actions as president, including eliminating environmental regulations, trying to ban travelers from majority-Muslim countries and more aggressively enforcing immigration law. So which is it SLOPPY SECONDS? Do we believe your first confabulation that attempts to show Trump breaking his promises? Or your second one showing him keeping his major ones? But, then again, you are a faker. You are a blatant phony. Don't stop pretending, but I'm not going to believe you.
Quote:Originally posted by SLOPPY SECONDS: Try again, 1kiki, on Trump's promises about Syria. You might learn that you don't know what Trump said and how it differs from what he did: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-syria-strike-is-trumps-first-big-break-from-his-campaign-rhetoric/] So now you're linking a DIFFERENT link to prove you didn't lie with your first one. You're a lying asswipe dolt. BTW - your NEW link shows Trump keeping his promises: Quote:A defining feature of the early part of Trump’s tenure has been the consistency between his campaign rhetoric and his actions as president, including eliminating environmental regulations, trying to ban travelers from majority-Muslim countries and more aggressively enforcing immigration law. So which is it SLOPPY SECONDS? Do we believe your first confabulation that attempts to show Trump breaking his promises? Or your second one showing him keeping his major ones? But, then again, you are a faker. You are a blatant phony. Don't stop pretending, but I'm not going to believe you.
Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 PM
Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Doesn't make your FIRST post any less a lie. The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar.
Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:01 PM
Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:06 PM
Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:24 PM
Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I was always an anti-Hillary supporter. Not that you'd admit it, despite me posting that exact same thing at least 50 times to TRY and educate you. I guess you're just ineducable. Or, a compulsive liar. Which it is, SLOPPY SECONDS?
Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:53 PM
Monday, July 24, 2017 1:51 AM
Monday, July 24, 2017 7:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Nazi Minister of Propaganda Paul Joseph Goebbels, agree that a lie can be turned into truth by constant repetition. www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/07/20/the-reign-of-propaganda/
Monday, July 24, 2017 7:46 AM
Monday, July 24, 2017 10:16 AM
Quote:Who is this writer quoted by 1kiki, Paul Craig Roberts? He is a “former” Republican (2015) who is passing as an “Independent” with a liberal conservative perspective. You don’t see liberal conservative joined together into one molecule, at least not outside a mad scientist’s lab. SECOND
Monday, July 24, 2017 11:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Who is this writer quoted by 1kiki, Paul Craig Roberts? He is a “former” Republican (2015) who is passing as an “Independent” with a liberal conservative perspective. You don’t see liberal conservative joined together into one molecule, at least not outside a mad scientist’s lab. SECOND More of SECOND's frozen response. HEY SECOND .... ever hear of people who are socially liberal, and fiscally conservative??? THOSE people would be called "Libertarians". What about people who are socially liberal warmongers? THOSE people call themselves "progressives"! What about people who are economically nationalist - populist, and socially liberal? People who are socially conservative, and fiscally liberal? There are more things in heaven and earth, SECOND, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. *** You need to get out more, talk to more people than you GOP neighbors. Oh, wait .... you're already here. Well, take advantage of the oppty, and try to learn something. I know I learned a LOT in the past two years. What I learned is that people who call themselves/ think of themselves as progressives/ liberals are quite often neither one.
Monday, July 24, 2017 12:31 PM
Monday, July 24, 2017 10:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, SECOND, you sure are selectively selective about your sources! I'll bet you still believe the MSM sources that ran real fake news, don'tcha?
Monday, July 24, 2017 11:30 PM
Quote:I’ve got a conspiracy theory: 1kiki is Paul Craig Roberts. I dare 1kiki to disprove it. Please only cite verifiable facts, 1kiki.
Monday, July 24, 2017 11:31 PM
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:59 AM
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: OTOH - either Trump is not in control of foreign policy - or he's been completely intimidated by the Deep State: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40712385
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:54 AM
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:22 AM
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:32 AM
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: KIKI: What I don't get is- why are we still responding in -depth to a known, demonstrated LIAR like SECOND? Shouldn't there be some sort of consequence for lying so blatantly? A seven-day internet time-out, or something?
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I find Trump's approach to foreign policy confusing. But then, he confuses me about a lot of things. Part of that is Trump's vision of "negotiation". When he thinks there is a "negotiation" coming up, he sets an extremely hard stance. Both he and Tillerson are known (they say) for being "brinkmanship-style" negotiators. So before anything MAJOR happens, there will be a flurry of tweets, statements, maybe even provocative actions, and chaff thrown into the air to distract deep state/ neocons or any other potential critic. It's very hard to peer into that "cloud" of rhetoric; MOST of it .... in fact, I would say ALL of it ... isn't real. It's not until Trump and Xi, or Trump and Putin, actually get to meet that anything real happens. It's a very non-statesmen-like approach to foreign policy, and it sure indicates that Trump feels that he, and only he (and a very small group of close advisors) are the relevant deciders. Everyone else is window-dressing. That may explain why so few staff positions are filled.
Quote: So this "Ukraine" statement is probably not the final word. Whoever said it is a pawn - literally. and maybe even a sacrificial pawn at that.
Quote:***** As far as military intervention is concerned .... I have been speculating for quite a while that there is a sharp competition between the formal military and the CIA. And since our embassies are CIA-outposts... the State Department and the CIA are tightly linked at the top, so that means it's the CIA/State versus the military.
Quote:As evidence of this, I point to Obama's "mo" versus GWB's. GWB believed in big military invasions... jets, tanks, troops. That's how he "did" Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama, OTOH, relied on the CIA/ State and their NGO partners. Destabilizations, drone strikes, proxy troops, "coalitions". "Leading from behind." Very little military footprint. You can see this in Ukraine (NGO, State, yet-another-color revolution); Yemen (drone strikes, Saudi proxies); Libya (fake NGO-reported incidents; State-CIA supplies; coalition bombs; and proxy jihadists on the ground), and Syria (same as Libya, and now with FALSE FLAG chemical weapons incidents!)
Quote: Even the drone program started out as a CIA program. Somewhere along the way, responsibility got shared with JSOC, but since the CIA was still jointly in control, the drone strike program is still basically classified, not under military review.
Quote:If you take Trump's goal of increasing the military budget, along with his recent statement that he is no longer funding the CIA-sponsored program of funding jihadists in Syria, it seems that under Trump the MILITARY is in control of our military ops.
Quote: What that means in terms of policy depends on how many realists - instead of ass-kissing political-generals- are in the upper ranks. I haven't figured that out yet. But it also explains why - except for Rex Tillerson - Trump distrusts the State Department, along with the alphabet-agencies, and he should.
Quote:----------- "Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck. I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one
Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:41 PM
Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So Signy You've been keeping much closer track - is there anything that rises to the level of evidence?
Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:28 AM
6STRINGJOKER
Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: I don't know about evidence. It's something to think about. I think that people ought to keep in mind that all of this is being done in broad daylight. That makes me think two things. 1. Is there really anything at all there since every single person paying attention is seeing this? 2. What on earth is going on behind closed doors while this dog and pony show is keeping the sheeple's attention?
Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:30 PM
Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: I'm just wondering what bad stuff is going on while all of you guys are looking the other way. I don't think it's tax stuff like Second says.
Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:57 PM
Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:58 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I was always an anti-Hillary supporter. Not that you'd admit it, despite me posting that exact same thing at least 50 times to TRY and educate you.
Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:18 AM
Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: When Trump was declared victor I tried to find the bright side by thinking there was an outside chance that President Trump might be The Great Schmoozer.
Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:59 PM
Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly. Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare?
Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly. Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare? Most likely it's that they hope to find themselves in the chaos of a live fire battle so they can shoot some white hetero males in the back and say it was an accident. Just a guess. Srsly, why does anyone join the army? I'm guessing it's for those same reasons.
Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:14 PM
Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:17 PM
Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So a neocon Senator mouths off. Graham makes as much sense as McCain, which is ... none at all. These guys want war. You should pick your allies better.
Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:04 PM
Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:07 PM
Quote:So a neocon Senator mouths off. Graham makes as much sense as McCain, which is ... none at all. These guys want war. You should pick your allies better. - SIGNY You should pick your Trump better. If Trump was not constantly erecting and igniting one fireworks display after another that says, "I'm Guilty, I'm Guilty As Hell" he'd be able to smoothly go about his work. But noooooo, Trump can't control himself. He is a pyromaniac. That man loves to set fire to his reputation.- SECOND
Quote:The CIA's Afghan Jihad Architect Declares War On Trump
Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:09 PM
Friday, July 28, 2017 1:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly. Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare?It's the free payment of their surgical expenses and treatments. Free Government Money.
Friday, July 28, 2017 3:09 AM
Quote:So Signy You've been keeping much closer track - is there anything that rises to the level of evidence?- KIKI
Quote:Trump asking Attorney General Jeff Sessions to resign so that Trump could replace him with a new A.G. who would fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller is not evidence that Trump knows Mueller will find evidence of a Trump crime if given enough time?=
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