"Evidens". So, where are we now? by SIGNYM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar.

The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted.

What tipped me off was the very first thing SLOPPY SECONDS pretended to quote. The words "you bought it" are not found anywhere in the article. And in fact Trump never made a promise to not bomb Syria.

Now, if you give very VERY broad latitude to some of SLOPPY SECONDS' other pretend quotes, you could see how they MIGHT relate to the linked article. But SLOPPY SECONDS posted many claims that aren't in the article at all. For example, "5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape." No such topic is in the article. "8. He said Hillary Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs and would do whatever they said." There is literally NO mention of Goldman Sachs anywhere in the article. "9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people." Nothing about that in the article, either. "10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law." Nope, not there either. In fact, that doesn't even sound like a campaign promise. It sounds more like the oath of office.

I think SLOPPY SECONDS spends all day trolling the internet for articles against Trump, and just waits for an excuse to dump the here.

And also, well ... SLOPPY SECONDS just lies and trolls here.

Quote:
https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trumps-100-days-of-broken-promises-a4
c116bbb2b4
Trump's Dozen Broken Promises

1. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it.

Then he bombed Syria.

2. He said he’d build a wall along the border with Mexico. You bought it.

Now his secretary of homeland security says, “It’s unlikely that we will build a wall.”

3. He said he’d clean up the Washington swamp. You bought it.

Then he brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses.

4. He said he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “wonderful.” You bought it.

Then he didn’t.

5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it.

Then he created the most chaotic, dysfunctional, backstabbing White House in modern history, in which no one is in charge.

6. He said he’d release his tax returns, eventually. You bought it.

He hasn’t, and says he never will.

7. He said he’d divest himself from his financial empire, to avoid any conflicts of interest. You bought it.

He remains heavily involved in his businesses, makes money off of foreign dignitaries staying at his Washington hotel, gets China to give the Trump brand trademark and copyright rights, manipulates the stock market on a daily basis and has more conflicts of interest than can even be counted.

8. He said Hillary Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs and would do whatever they said. You bought it.

Then he put half a dozen Goldman Sachs executives in positions of power in his administration.

9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people. You bought it.

Then he put Betsy DeVos, an opponent of public education, in charge of education; Jeff Sessions, an opponent of the Voting Rights Act, in charge of voting rights; Ben Carson, an opponent of the Fair Housing Act, in charge of fair housing; Scott Pruitt, a climate change denier, in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency; and Russian quisling Rex Tillerson as secretary of state.

10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law. You bought it.

Then he said his predecessor, Barack Obama, spied on him, without any evidence of Obama ever doing so, in order to divert attention from the FBI’s investigation into collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives to win the election.

11. He said he knew more about strategy and terrorism than the generals did. You bought it.

Then he green-lighted a disastrous raid in Yemen, even though his generals said it would be a terrible idea. This raid resulted in the deaths of a Navy SEAL, an 8-year-old American girl and numerous civilians. The actual target of the raid escaped, and no useful intel was gained

12. He called Obama “the vacationer-in-chief” and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer’s dime, not when there was so much important work to be done. You bought it.

He has by now spent more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama did in the first three years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 3:10 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
I don't believe Signym and 1kiki have given their real reasons for supporting Trump.

Enjoy your delusions, useful idiot.

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 3:25 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar.

The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted.

What tipped me off was the very first thing SLOPPY SECONDS pretended to quote. The words "you bought it" are not found anywhere in the article. And in fact Trump never made a promise to not bomb Syria.

Try again, 1kiki, on Trump's promises about Syria. You might learn that you don't know what Trump said and how it differs from what he did:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-syria-strike-is-trumps-first-
big-break-from-his-campaign-rhetoric/
But, then again, you are a faker. You are a blatant phony. Don't stop pretending, but I'm not going to believe you.

If you wanted the list of 13 big promises that Trump did not keep, they are here. I whittled down to a dozen fake promises Trump made.
www.salon.com/2017/04/12/robert-reich-trump-voters-realize-the-hard-wa
y-that-the-president-cant-follow-through_partner/

But 1kiki's time would be better spent by "proving" Trump never tweeted this:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
While all agree the U. S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us. FAKE NEWS
6:35 AM - 22 Jul 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/888724194820857857

That exploded in the faces of Trump and Trump's communication team:

In a later interview on “This Week,” Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., warned that if President Trump were to pardon himself or to fire special counsel Robert Mueller, “I think it would cause a cataclysm in Washington.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-lawyer-open-question-president-pa
rdon/story?id=48791366

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar.
The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted.

Quote:
Originally posted by SLOPPY SECONDS:
Try again, 1kiki, on Trump's promises about Syria. You might learn that you don't know what Trump said and how it differs from what he did:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-syria-strike-is-trumps-first-
big-break-from-his-campaign-rhetoric/

So now you're linking a DIFFERENT link to prove you didn't lie with your first one.

You're a lying asswipe dolt.

BTW - your NEW link shows Trump keeping his promises:

Quote:
A defining feature of the early part of Trump’s tenure has been the consistency between his campaign rhetoric and his actions as president, including eliminating environmental regulations, trying to ban travelers from majority-Muslim countries and more aggressively enforcing immigration law.

So which is it SLOPPY SECONDS? Do we believe your first confabulation that attempts to show Trump breaking his promises? Or your second one showing him keeping his major ones?

But, then again, you are a faker. You are a blatant phony. Don't stop pretending, but I'm not going to believe you.

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:37 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar.
The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted.
Quote:
Originally posted by SLOPPY SECONDS:
Try again, 1kiki, on Trump's promises about Syria. You might learn that you don't know what Trump said and how it differs from what he did:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-syria-strike-is-trumps-first-
big-break-from-his-campaign-rhetoric/] So now you're linking a DIFFERENT link to prove you didn't lie with your first one.

You're a lying asswipe dolt.

BTW - your NEW link shows Trump keeping his promises:
Quote:
A defining feature of the early part of Trump’s tenure has been the consistency between his campaign rhetoric and his actions as president, including eliminating environmental regulations, trying to ban travelers from majority-Muslim countries and more aggressively enforcing immigration law.
So which is it SLOPPY SECONDS? Do we believe your first confabulation that attempts to show Trump breaking his promises? Or your second one showing him keeping his major ones?

But, then again, you are a faker. You are a blatant phony. Don't stop pretending, but I'm not going to believe you.

You are a silly person, 1kiki. You missed the quote from the article:

After Mike Pence suggested in the vice presidential debate last fall that the U.S. should take a stronger stance against the Assad regime, Trump publicly dismissed this view, saying “Syria is fighting ISIS.” In an interview with the Guardian during the campaign, Trump said, “What we should do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria.”

Once he was President, Trump flip-flopped to his Vice-President's opinion. He bombed Syria. Trump broke his promises when he flip-flopped to become Pence, an ordinary everyday Republican, which is NOT what Trump was selling when he was campaigning. He was selling himself as something new, but Trump morphed into Ted Cruz, the runner-up in the Republican primary.

Ted Cruz is superior to Trump and 1kiki: his positions on issues are not fake, his statements and real world actions don't stink of contradiction. I can still remember when 1kiki supported Bernie Sanders.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Doesn't make your FIRST post any less a lie.

The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar.

The link that SLOPPY SECONDS pretends to quote doesn't contain the words SLOPPY SECONDS posted.

What tipped me off was the very first thing SLOPPY SECONDS pretended to quote. The words "you bought it" are not found anywhere in the article. And in fact Trump never made a promise to not bomb Syria.

Now, if you give very VERY broad latitude to some of SLOPPY SECONDS' other pretend quotes, you could see how they MIGHT relate to the linked article. But SLOPPY SECONDS posted many claims that aren't in the article at all. For example, "5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape." No such topic is in the article. "8. He said Hillary Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs and would do whatever they said." There is literally NO mention of Goldman Sachs anywhere in the article. "9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people." Nothing about that in the article, either. "10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law." Nope, not there either. In fact, that doesn't even sound like a campaign promise. It sounds more like the oath of office.

I think SLOPPY SECONDS spends all day trolling the internet for articles against Trump, and just waits for an excuse to dump the here.

And also, well ... SLOPPY SECONDS just lies and trolls here.

Quote:
https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trumps-100-days-of-broken-promises-a4
c116bbb2b4
Trump's Dozen Broken Promises

1. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it.

Then he bombed Syria.

2. He said he’d build a wall along the border with Mexico. You bought it.

Now his secretary of homeland security says, “It’s unlikely that we will build a wall.”

3. He said he’d clean up the Washington swamp. You bought it.

Then he brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses.

4. He said he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “wonderful.” You bought it.

Then he didn’t.

5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it.

Then he created the most chaotic, dysfunctional, backstabbing White House in modern history, in which no one is in charge.

6. He said he’d release his tax returns, eventually. You bought it.

He hasn’t, and says he never will.

7. He said he’d divest himself from his financial empire, to avoid any conflicts of interest. You bought it.

He remains heavily involved in his businesses, makes money off of foreign dignitaries staying at his Washington hotel, gets China to give the Trump brand trademark and copyright rights, manipulates the stock market on a daily basis and has more conflicts of interest than can even be counted.

8. He said Hillary Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs and would do whatever they said. You bought it.

Then he put half a dozen Goldman Sachs executives in positions of power in his administration.

9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people. You bought it.

Then he put Betsy DeVos, an opponent of public education, in charge of education; Jeff Sessions, an opponent of the Voting Rights Act, in charge of voting rights; Ben Carson, an opponent of the Fair Housing Act, in charge of fair housing; Scott Pruitt, a climate change denier, in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency; and Russian quisling Rex Tillerson as secretary of state.

10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law. You bought it.

Then he said his predecessor, Barack Obama, spied on him, without any evidence of Obama ever doing so, in order to divert attention from the FBI’s investigation into collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives to win the election.

11. He said he knew more about strategy and terrorism than the generals did. You bought it.

Then he green-lighted a disastrous raid in Yemen, even though his generals said it would be a terrible idea. This raid resulted in the deaths of a Navy SEAL, an 8-year-old American girl and numerous civilians. The actual target of the raid escaped, and no useful intel was gained

12. He called Obama “the vacationer-in-chief” and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer’s dime, not when there was so much important work to be done. You bought it.

He has by now spent more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama did in the first three years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:52 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Doesn't make your FIRST post any less a lie.

The OTHER thing that SLOPPY SECONDS is is a blatant liar.

I can still remember when 1kiki supported Bernie Sanders. Bernie has nothing nice to say about Trump. He does not come to Trump's defense and he does not attack the people attacking Trump. What happened to you, 1kiki? Did you go crazy? Or were you always a fake Bernie supporter?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:01 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I was always an anti-Hillary supporter.

Not that you'd admit it, despite me posting that exact same thing at least 50 times to TRY and educate you.

I guess you're just ineducable. Or, a compulsive liar.

Which it is, SLOPPY SECONDS? Ineducable? Or compulsive liar?

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:06 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yep SECOND is a lying troll, and this thread proves it.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:24 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So MANY people have crossed over into 'chronic liar' territory.

That shows me two things:
1) they're personally ethically deficient, and
2) they literally have zero valid arguments they can bring to bear on the topic.

On top of that, they substitute unprovoked, repeated personal attacks for discussion. In other words, they're trolls - everyday sadists.

I wonder at what magic moment - what point of decision - did they give up their integrity, their honesty, and their humanity. When did partisanship overcome every last vestige of restraint?

Whatever. I'm not the keeper of their souls.

But it gives me insight into the mass of partisan democrats. The craving to be part of the herd, and the self-delusion it takes to ignore the participation of the 'democratic' party in screwing the workers, privacy and civil rights, the rule of law, and - oh, yes - the global nuclear détente with Russia. Because ... Yanukovych! No, wait ... Qaddafi! No, wait ... Assad! No, wait ... Putin! No, wait ... Russia! No, wait ... Iran! No, wait ... Trump! No, wait ... round and round she goes, and where she stops, nobody knows! The endless revolving wheel of random enemies that they don't ever question.

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:49 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I was always an anti-Hillary supporter.

Not that you'd admit it, despite me posting that exact same thing at least 50 times to TRY and educate you.

I guess you're just ineducable. Or, a compulsive liar.

Which it is, SLOPPY SECONDS?

You are an anti-Hillary. But that is the same as being a blackhole in outer space. We can't know what information is hidden inside you once it passes the event horizon. What do you have inside?

Please don't repeat the theme that Hillary would go to WWIII with Russia in order to recover Crimea for Ukraine. Crimea isn't important enough for Hillary or any Democrat to drop even one H-bomb. It's not important enough for Putin. It ruins the game he is playing by destroying the playing field and killing the teams and the spectators.

And 1kiki can't claim that Bernie's policies made 1kiki anti-Hillary because Trump's policies piss on Bernie's or Hillary's. Trump governs the same as any other Republican would, just ask Mike Pence, who does not have a problem with Trump's policies.

There are plenty of real Republicans who are anti-Hillary because they say she killed Vince Foster or she will steal their taxes and give the money to rapists from Mexico, etc. All make-believe stories but it's reasons. What are 1kiki's real reasons? Are you a foaming at the mouth Republican who has been hiding your affiliation? Because you can't be a lefty since lefties don't support Trump's policies such as his wish to sign the House's version of Trumpcare.

Or is 1kiki a Russian Troll, which fits 1kiki's behavior. For example, a Russian Troll would be indifferent when Trump supports passage of Trumpcare because that is strictly an internal matter for Americans. Why would a Russian care? The only values worth protecting are Russian values and lives. And that makes Trump better for Russia than Hillary. Nobody thinks Putin can blackmail Hillary. Trump could be blackmailed. We don't have enough evidence to know what dirt Putin might have on Trump. Putin might have nothing other than Trump is world class salesman, an incompetent CEO, and has diarrhea of the mouth.

Someday we may know the real Trump and real 1kiki stories. But we will probably know Trump's true story first, since Mueller has a budget and investigators. All we will ever have of 1kiki's story will flow past a filter controlled by 1kiki.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 23, 2017 9:53 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Aside from being a Deep State useful idiot - you're a lying troll. Why should anybody even read your posts? I know I don't.

So, do you want me to go through them and count up how MANY lies you've told just on this page alone?

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Monday, July 24, 2017 1:51 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The Reign of Propaganda
Paul Craig Roberts

July 20, 2017

If truth has a chance it is in a different country than America.
Masters of propaganda from its inventor, Jewish public relations expert Edward Louis James Bernays, to the Nazi Minister of Propaganda Paul Joseph Goebbels, agree that a lie can be turned into truth by constant repetition.

The more pure the lie, the more complete the success in turning it into The Truth. Lies partly based in fact or half-truths open themselves to factual challenge. For a propagandist the best lie is a lie unfettered by even a distant relationship to truth. Such a lie can be turned into such self-evident truth that no evidence is necessary. As Nikki Haley and Hillary Clinton put it: “Evidence! We don’t need any stinking evidence. We know Russia hacked our election!”

For the typical American, who doesn’t know anything, the confidence of the former Secretary of State and “rightful President of the USA” and the confidence of President Donald Trump’s own Ambassador to the United Nations are sufficient to convince them that the lie that Russia stole the US presidency for Trump is true. We all know it. Why? Because we have all heard it endlessly repeated for many months. As one acquaintance said: “If it were false, surely the media would have exposed it.” This insouciant naivete is characteristic of Western populations.

As Bernays and Goebbels knew, one good propagandist can control the opinion of the targeted group, whether it is a gender or a nation.

Initially for Benays the targeted group was American women. As a propagandist for an American tobacco company, “the father of spin” promoted female smoking as a sign of feminist independence. He called cigarettes “Torches of Freedom.” He also provided the propaganda that enabled the United Fruit Company to have the US Government overthrow the elected government of Guatemala in 1954.

Goebbels turned Germans into servants of the Third Reich, an accomplishment the neoconservatives have yet to attain in the United States, but they are still working at it.
The neoconservatives, the military/security complex, the Israel Lobby, and the US presstitutes have succeeded in blocking Trump from withdrawing from Syria and from normalizing relations with Russia. They have succeeded in this by using their fabrication, “Russia-gate,” to put President Trump in a box. If Trump now normalizes relations with Russia, it will be presented to the world by the presstitutes as proof that the Putin/Trump conspiracy against Western democracy is real. If Trump were to normalize relations, thereby removing “the threat” that justifies the power and profit of the military/security complex’s budget, he would likely be impeached as a traitor to the USA. Trump’s tweets would be overwhelmed by the onslaught of the presstitutes.
Americans, British, Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Indians, and everyone else need to understand that Washington’s hostility toward Russia is in the service of powerful interest groups. These interest groups are more powerful than the President of the US.

Israel and its design on the Middle East is one of these powerful interest groups. As Admiral Tom Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said, “No American president can stand up to Israel.”

The neoconservatives, who serve both the Zionist state of Israel and the US military/security complex, are another of the powerful interest groups that constrain the American government. That the neocons are firmly allied with Israel and the military/security complex increases their power and influence. President Eisenhower warned Americans in 1961 in his last public address to the American people that the power of the military/industrial complex made it a threat to American democracy.

Eisenhower’s warning was 56 years ago. With the President of the United States concerned about the military/industrial complex 56 years ago, try to imagine how much more this power is entrenched after the decades of the Cold War and “Soviet Threat.” The power of the military/security complex is the premier power in Washington.

Eisenhower’s speech is the best speech any American President has ever delivered. It is only 14 minutes and 4 seconds long; yet it covers everything. There is awareness that we can be victims of our own success. Whatever their public position, neoconservatives have no alternative but to hate President Eisenhower with a passion, because he compared the threat to America from the military/industrial complex to the threat from the Soviet Union.

Americans need to wise up, as do the Russians, Chinese, Europeans and everyone else over whom the neoconservatives intend to exercise hegemony regardless of the cost. The total budget of the US military/security complex has been estimated at $1.1 trillion, a figure that is 70% of Russia’s estimated 2017 GDP. It is larger than the GDP of Mexico and Turkey. It is 45% of the GDP of France or England, and 32% of the GDP of Germany. There are 195 countries in the world. Only 14 of them have A Gross Domestic Product larger than the budget of the US military/security complex.

Washington’s wars in the Middle East involve many interests, including mundane ones such as who controls pipeline locations and energy flows. It also involves Israel’s interests. Twice Israel has sent its army into southern Lebanon for the purpose of occupying and annexing the water resources of southern Lebanon, and twice the militia Hezbollah has defeated and driven out the Israeli army, the fighting capability of which is overrated. Hezbollah receives financial and military support from Syria and Iran. Using their neoconservative allies and the orchestrated-by- propaganda American hatred of Muslims, Israel intends to use the US military to put Syria and Iran in the same state of chaos as Iraq and Libya. If deprived of outside support, Hezbollah can finally be defeated by the Israeli army. With Syria and Iran in chaos, the Russophobic neoconservatives can send jihadism into the Russian Federation to break up the biggest constraint on US unilateralism.

If we consider the combined power of these interest groups—the US military/security complex with an annual budget greater than the GDP of most countries, the neoconservatives with their ideology of US world hegemony and alliance with both Democratic and Republican parties, and Israel which has the US government in its pocket and brags about it—how is it possible for President Trump to do as he said he would do and normalize relations with Russia and withdraw from the US interventions in the Middle East? The prospect of Trump succeeding is remote.
If the Russian government fails to understand that President Trump is not the one who is in charge, Russia will be destroyed along with America and the rest of the world.

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Monday, July 24, 2017 7:11 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Nazi Minister of Propaganda Paul Joseph Goebbels, agree that a lie can be turned into truth by constant repetition.
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/07/20/the-reign-of-propaganda/

What Trump doesn’t get about the law
www.ohio.com/editorial/ruth-marcus-what-trump-doesn-t-get-about-the-la
w-1.782226

Trump’s jaw-dropping interview with the New York Times featured an unprecedented and unvarnished invitation to Attorney General Jeff Sessions to quit, an invitation Sessions on Thursday declined, at least for now.

Sessions’ sin is failing to do his job, which, as Trump sees it, is not overseeing the impartial administration of justice but assiduously protecting the legal interests of Donald J. Trump. Thus, in Trump’s view, it was “very unfair to the president” — actually, “extremely unfair, and that’s a mild word” — for Sessions to have recused himself from overseeing the department’s probe into Russian meddling into the election and the possible role of the Trump campaign.

Let us review the facts and the law.

The facts: Sessions was the first senator to endorse Trump and served as a close campaign adviser. That is conflict enough, but he piled conflict on conflict by meeting during the campaign with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and then omitting to inform the Senate Judiciary Committee of the meetings when questioned about it.

The law: Justice Department regulations provide that “no employee shall participate in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship” with the subject of the investigation or “any person or organization which he knows has a specific and substantial interest that would be directly affected by the outcome of the investigation or prosecution.” A political relationship “means a close identification with an elected official ... arising from service as a principal adviser thereto.”

So Sessions’ situation and the question of whether he could oversee the Russia investigation isn’t a close call. As Sessions told the Senate Intelligence Committee last month, “That regulation states, in effect, that department employees should not participate in investigations of a campaign if they have served as a campaign adviser.” In other words, it’s a no-brainer, at least if you understand basic concepts of conflict of interest.

What Trump perceives as betrayal is Ethics 101.

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Monday, July 24, 2017 7:46 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Who is this writer quoted by 1kiki, Paul Craig Roberts? He is a “former” Republican (2015) who is passing as an “Independent” with a liberal conservative perspective. You don’t see liberal conservative joined together into one molecule, at least not outside a mad scientist’s lab.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

Writings of Paul Craig Roberts

The World Is Going Down With Trump
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/06/23/world-going-trump/
Jun 23, 2017

The Assault on Trump
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/18/the-assault-on-trump/
May 18, 2017

Trump Now a Captive of the Deep State
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/04/26/trump-now-captive-deep-state/
Apr 26, 2017

Paul Craig Roberts: We have a Republican party that is a Gestapo party, but that was 2011, and Roberts has evolved since then.

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Monday, July 24, 2017 10:16 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Who is this writer quoted by 1kiki, Paul Craig Roberts? He is a “former” Republican (2015) who is passing as an “Independent” with a liberal conservative perspective. You don’t see liberal conservative joined together into one molecule, at least not outside a mad scientist’s lab. SECOND

More of SECOND's frozen response.

HEY SECOND .... ever hear of people who are socially liberal, and fiscally conservative??? THOSE people would be called "Libertarians".

What about people who are socially liberal warmongers? THOSE people call themselves "progressives"!

What about people who are economically nationalist - populist, and socially liberal? People who are socially conservative, and fiscally liberal?

There are more things in heaven and earth, SECOND,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

***

You need to get out more, talk to more people than you GOP neighbors. Oh, wait .... you're already here. Well, take advantage of the oppty, and try to learn something. I know I learned a LOT in the past two years. What I learned is that people who call themselves/ think of themselves as progressives/ liberals are quite often neither one.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Monday, July 24, 2017 11:31 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Who is this writer quoted by 1kiki, Paul Craig Roberts? He is a “former” Republican (2015) who is passing as an “Independent” with a liberal conservative perspective. You don’t see liberal conservative joined together into one molecule, at least not outside a mad scientist’s lab. SECOND

More of SECOND's frozen response.

HEY SECOND .... ever hear of people who are socially liberal, and fiscally conservative??? THOSE people would be called "Libertarians".

What about people who are socially liberal warmongers? THOSE people call themselves "progressives"!

What about people who are economically nationalist - populist, and socially liberal? People who are socially conservative, and fiscally liberal?

There are more things in heaven and earth, SECOND,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

***

You need to get out more, talk to more people than you GOP neighbors. Oh, wait .... you're already here. Well, take advantage of the oppty, and try to learn something. I know I learned a LOT in the past two years. What I learned is that people who call themselves/ think of themselves as progressives/ liberals are quite often neither one.

Signym, when 1kiki repeats what Mr. Paul Craig Roberts wrote, there is more to Roberts than what you have imagined in your little rant. For example of the true and real Paul Craig Roberts:

He alleged these false flag operations

2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School attack
2013 Boston Marathon bombings
2015 Charlie Hebdo attack
2016 Orlando attack

Signym, please read the details about what a nut Paul Craig Roberts is before you launch another of your crazy asshole rants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts#Alleged_false_flag_op
erations

Signym, 1kiki, and Paul Craig Roberts might have this in common: belief that America plans a sneak attack on Russia. I believe you three are mistaken, but I've got to agree with you three on one of your beliefs: that a sneak attack would be the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it.

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Monday, July 24, 2017 12:31 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Wow, SECOND, you sure are selectively selective about your sources!

I'll bet you still believe the MSM sources that ran real fake news, don'tcha?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Monday, July 24, 2017 10:36 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, SECOND, you sure are selectively selective about your sources!

I'll bet you still believe the MSM sources that ran real fake news, don'tcha?

Signym, only if "selective" means using Paul Craig Roberts as the source on 1kiki’s Paul Craig Roberts's beliefs. You would have known if you clicked the links.

Paul Craig Roberts congratulates himself for seeing the Truth unreported by the MSM: “as you must know by now, there are very few of us who have the knowledge, experience, and courage to help you better comprehend the events of our time.” He is talking about himself and he asks for contributions. – www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/20/orlando-wrap-up-paul-craig-roberts/

Roberts has a lot of conspiracy theories which claim there are faked deaths and fake evidence and fake testimony from eyewitnesses:
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/03/01/sandy-hook-puzzles/
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/04/19/boston-marathon-bombing/
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/04/11/boston-marathon-show-trial/
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/13/orlando-shooting-paul-craig-robert
s/
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/14/orlando-shooting-still-no-evidence/
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/07/02/the-changing-orlando-story/

I’ve got a conspiracy theory: 1kiki is Paul Craig Roberts. I dare 1kiki to disprove it. Please only cite verifiable facts, 1kiki.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 24, 2017 11:30 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
I’ve got a conspiracy theory: 1kiki is Paul Craig Roberts. I dare 1kiki to disprove it. Please only cite verifiable facts, 1kiki.

Yep, you're a Deep State useful idiot and a troll.

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Monday, July 24, 2017 11:31 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Now this is interesting.

I've been reading about the EU not being on board with further Russia sanctions.

same story, multiple links
https://www.ft.com/content/211de800-6fbc-11e7-aca6-c6bd07df1a3c
https://www.mintpressnews.com/eu-will-retaliate-within-days-if-us-pass
es-new-russia-sanctions/230050/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/eu-retaliate-within-days-if-u
s-imposes-new-sanctions-russia

I think the Deep State pushers of the ... but RUSSIA! ... meme got a bit carried away. But now, they're finding not everyone can be mindlessly stampeded over a cliff.

EU To Retaliate "Within Days" If US Imposes New Sanctions On Russia
Jul 24, 2017 8:40 AM

In what appears set to be major diplomatic showdown between Washington D.C. and Brussels, on Sunday the White House said that President Trump was open to signing legislation toughening sanctions on Russia after Senate and House leaders reached agreement on a bill late last week.

"We support where the legislation is now and will continue working with the House and Senate to put those tough sanctions in place on Russia until the situation in Ukraine is fully resolved and it certainly isn't right now," White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" program.

As noted yesterday, congressional Democrats said on Saturday they had agreed with Republicans on a deal allowing new sanctions targeting Russia, Iran and North Korea in a bill that would limit any potential effort by Trump to try to lift sanctions against Moscow. A White House official quoted by Reuters later said the administration's view of the legislation evolved after changes were made, including the addition of sanctions on North Korea. The official said the administration "supports the direction the bill is headed, but won't weigh in conclusively until there is a final piece of legislation and no more changes are being made."

As RT notes, restrictions against Russia come as part of the Countering Iran’s Destabilizing Activities Act, targeting not only Tehran, but also North Korea. Initially passed by the Senate last month, the measures seek to impose new economic measures on major sectors of the Russian economy. The draft legislation would also introduce individual sanctions for investing in Gazprom’s Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project, outlining steps to hamper construction of the pipeline and imposing sanctions on European companies which contribute to the project.

Other energy projects, such as the Caspian Sea oil and gas pipelines, the Ukraine gas transit, and the Zohr field off the Egyptian coast, may also be affected due to the participation of Russian companies.

Yet while Russia's adverse reaction is to be expected, and will likely lead to immediate countersanctions, perhaps coupled with the expuslion of the aforementioned 35 diplomats as well as confiscation of US properties in Russia, it is the EU's response that will be closely watched.

According to an internal memo leaked to the press, Brussles said it should act "within days" if new sanctions the US plans to impose on Russia prove to be damaging to Europe’s trade ties with Moscow. Retaliatory measures may include limiting US jurisdiction over EU companies. The memo, reported by the Financial Times and Politico, has emerged amid mounting opposition to a US bill seeking to hit Russia with a new round of sanctions. The bill, if signed into law by the U.S. President, would also give US lawmakers the power to veto any attempt by the president to lift the sanctions.

The document reportedly said European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker was particularly concerned the sanctions would neglect the interests of European companies. Juncker said Brussels “should stand ready to act within days” if sanctions on Russia are “adopted without EU concerns being taken into account,” according to the Financial Times.
The EU memo also warns that “the measures could impact a potentially large number of European companies doing legitimate business under EU measures with Russian entities in the railways, financial, shipping or mining sectors, among others.”

The freshly leaked memo suggests that the EU is seeking “a public declaration” from the Trump administration that it will not apply the new sanctions in a way that targets European interests, as cited by Politico. Other options on the table include triggering the ‘Blocking Statute,’ an EU regulation that limits the enforcement of extraterritorial US laws in Europe. A number of “WTO-compliant retaliatory measures” are also being considered, according to the memo.

Earlier on Sunday, we reported that Brussles expressed its concerns over the sanctions bill, when the European Commission said in a statement that “the Russia/Iran sanctions bill is driven primarily by domestic considerations,” adding that it “could have unintended consequences, not only when it comes to Transatlantic/G7 unity, but also on EU economic and energy security interests.”

As RT adds, on Monday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that “we heard of some corrections to the administration’s stance on sanctions and will wait patiently until it is clearly articulated.” He reiterated that Russia believes the restrictions are “counterproductive” and are harming both US and Russian interests. Russian President Vladimir Putin also warned that any new sanctions on Russia will only result in the deterioration of US-Russia relations.

Germany, Russia’s main European trading partner, called the bill “a peculiar move,” also promising a swift response to it. Some American corporations, including BP, ExxonMobil, General Electric, Boeing, Citigroup, MasterCard, and Visa, have reportedly lobbied against the move.The corporations, according to a CNN report, want changes to the bill, while lobbyists and trade associations have been visiting Capitol Hill in recent days meeting with members of Congress.

The House of Representatives is expected to vote on the controversial sanctions bill on Tuesday. Previously, adoption of the draft was put on hold as the House was reluctant to pass it, citing “procedural issues.”

With the vote assured passage it will be up to Trump to determine if the feud with Russia dumped on his lap now escalates, and involves European nations who are far closer to Russia in socio-economic terms than they would like to admit.

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:59 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

OTOH - either Trump is not in control of foreign policy - or he's been completely intimidated by the Deep State:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40712385

US 'may send arms' to Ukraine, says new envoy

The new US special representative for Ukraine says Washington is actively reviewing whether to send weapons to help those fighting against Russian-backed rebels.

Kurt Volker told the BBC that arming Ukrainian government forces could change Moscow's approach. He said he did not think the move would be provocative.

That's what Hillary thought, too. The same people she so enthusiastically served seemed to be in control now.

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:57 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
OTOH - either Trump is not in control of foreign policy - or he's been completely intimidated by the Deep State:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40712385

The third option is that Trump never cared about foreign policy beyond having it as a subject to bloviate upon. With Trump not bothering to do more than run his mouth, US policy becomes Rex Tillerson's and the GOP's policy. It is policy by default and it is just more evidence that Trump is not doing his job because he is distracted by his family drama.

We are headed toward a constitutional crisis. Why else would Donald Trump violate one of the few constitutional norms he has not yet obliterated by asking naval officers to take a partisan position at a ceremonial event? https://twitter.com/Carter_PE/status/888899959508094978

Why else would he keep repeating that he has the power to pardon anyone he wants — including himself — for any reason at all? www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions.html

And why else would he and his associates be launching one trial balloon after another about firing Special Counsel Robert Mueller? It seems increasingly probable that either Trump or one of Trump’s close associates has done something highly illegal — and that the fear of being found out is starting to set in for good.

It doesn’t take any great foresight to predict what Trump might do under these circumstances. Without shame or hesitation, he will use every tool at his disposal to serve his own interests. If that should seem like the best option, he will be all too happy to fire Mueller or to pardon himself.

www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_good_fight/2017/07/we_re_
headed_for_a_constitutional_crisis.html

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just to keep us on-track with FACTS ,,,,

Kushner Releases 11-Page Statement: Denies Collusion, Confirms Four Meetings With Russians
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/jared-kushner-confirms-four-m
eetings-russians-denies-collusion

Jared Kushner Makes Post-Hearing Statement: Live Feed
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-24/jared-kushner-makes-post-hear
ing-statement-live-feed

So widely reported, I'm not going to bother linking anything other than ZH.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:22 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I find Trump's approach to foreign policy confusing. But then, he confuses me about a lot of things.

Part of that is Trump's vision of "negotiation". When he thinks there is a "negotiation" coming up, he sets an extremely hard stance. Both he and Tillerson are known (they say) for being "brinkmanship-style" negotiators. So before anything MAJOR happens, there will be a flurry of tweets, statements, maybe even provocative actions, and chaff thrown into the air to distract deep state/ neocons or any other potential critic. It's very hard to peer into that "cloud" of rhetoric; MOST of it .... in fact, I would say ALL of it ... isn't real. It's not until Trump and Xi, or Trump and Putin, actually get to meet that anything real happens.

It's a very non-statesmen-like approach to foreign policy, and it sure indicates that Trump feels that he, and only he (and a very small group of close advisors) are the relevant deciders. Everyone else is window-dressing. That may explain why so few staff positions are filled.

So this "Ukraine" statement is probably not the final word. Whoever said is is a pawn - literally. and maybe even a sacrificial pawn at that.

*****

As far as military intervention is concerned .... I have been speculating for quite a while that there is a sharp competition between the formal military and the CIA. And since our embassies are CIA-outposts... the State Department and the CIA are tightly linked at the top, so that means it's the CIA/State versus the military.

Ad evidence of this, I point to Obama's "mo" versus GWB's. GWB believed in big military invasions... jets, tanks, troops. That's how he "did" Afghanistan and Iraq.

Obama, OTOH, relied on the CIA/ State and their NGO partners. Destabilizations, drone strikes, proxy troops, "coalitions". "Leading from behind." Very little military footprint. You can see this in Ukraine (NGO, State, yet-another-color revolution); Yemen (drone strikes, Saudi proxies); Libya (fake NGO-reported incidents; State-CIA supplies; coalition bombs; and proxy jihadists on the ground), and Syria (same as Libya, and now with FALSE FLAG chemical weapons incidents!)

Even the drone program started out as a CIA program. Somewhere along the way, responsibility got shared with JSOC, but since the CIA was still jointly in control, the drone strike program is still basically classified, not under military review.

If you take Trump's goal of increasing the military budget, along with his recent statement that he is no longer funding the CIA-sponsored program of funding jihadists in Syria, it seems that under Trump the MILITARY is in control of our military ops.

What that means in terms of policy depends on how many realists - instead of ass-kissing political-generals- are in the upper ranks. I haven't figured that out yet. But it also explains why - except for Rex Tillerson - Trump distrusts the State Department, along with the alphabet-agencies, and he should.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:32 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

GSTRING: Whatever.

KIKI: What I don't get is- why are we still responding in -depth to a known, demonstrated LIAR like SECOND? Shouldn't there be some sort of consequence for lying so blatantly? A seven-day internet time-out, or something?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:33 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

KIKI: What I don't get is- why are we still responding in -depth to a known, demonstrated LIAR like SECOND? Shouldn't there be some sort of consequence for lying so blatantly? A seven-day internet time-out, or something?

That is fine with me if you never read anything from second ever again. But before you ignore me forever, why do 1kiki and Signym repeat Paul Craig Roberts' ideas? That guy is nuts, although he does express himself well, as do 1kiki and Signym. You three are naturally gifted communicators, far better than Trump, despite all being terrible political philosophers, each in a unique way.
www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/20/orlando-wrap-up-paul-craig-roberts/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:45 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I find Trump's approach to foreign policy confusing. But then, he confuses me about a lot of things.

Part of that is Trump's vision of "negotiation". When he thinks there is a "negotiation" coming up, he sets an extremely hard stance. Both he and Tillerson are known (they say) for being "brinkmanship-style" negotiators. So before anything MAJOR happens, there will be a flurry of tweets, statements, maybe even provocative actions, and chaff thrown into the air to distract deep state/ neocons or any other potential critic. It's very hard to peer into that "cloud" of rhetoric; MOST of it .... in fact, I would say ALL of it ... isn't real. It's not until Trump and Xi, or Trump and Putin, actually get to meet that anything real happens.

It's a very non-statesmen-like approach to foreign policy, and it sure indicates that Trump feels that he, and only he (and a very small group of close advisors) are the relevant deciders. Everyone else is window-dressing. That may explain why so few staff positions are filled.

I pretty much discount whatever TRUMP says. But there seem to be other actors, running their own agendas, that may - or may not - be in line with Trump's.

Quote:
So this "Ukraine" statement is probably not the final word. Whoever said it is a pawn - literally. and maybe even a sacrificial pawn at that.

I'm less convinced that Trump is in control of what's happening.

Quote:
*****

As far as military intervention is concerned .... I have been speculating for quite a while that there is a sharp competition between the formal military and the CIA. And since our embassies are CIA-outposts... the State Department and the CIA are tightly linked at the top, so that means it's the CIA/State versus the military.

I believe there is a cadre of professional military realists, only willing to spend blood and treasure for vital, distinct, achievable goals. I think there is also a cadre of nutscases. I don't have any specific links, just the recollection of some news articles where some military brass made personal warhawk statements.

Quote:
As evidence of this, I point to Obama's "mo" versus GWB's. GWB believed in big military invasions... jets, tanks, troops. That's how he "did" Afghanistan and Iraq.

Obama, OTOH, relied on the CIA/ State and their NGO partners. Destabilizations, drone strikes, proxy troops, "coalitions". "Leading from behind." Very little military footprint. You can see this in Ukraine (NGO, State, yet-another-color revolution); Yemen (drone strikes, Saudi proxies); Libya (fake NGO-reported incidents; State-CIA supplies; coalition bombs; and proxy jihadists on the ground), and Syria (same as Libya, and now with FALSE FLAG chemical weapons incidents!)

True. But in some cases he just handed over the reins to Hillary - for example Libya. And the rat-line out of Libya to Syria - it's hard to say if that was an Obama policy, or an covert State/ CIA effort alone.

Quote:
Even the drone program started out as a CIA program. Somewhere along the way, responsibility got shared with JSOC, but since the CIA was still jointly in control, the drone strike program is still basically classified, not under military review.

That's one CIA effort that Obama wholeheartedly endorsed and participated in.

Quote:
If you take Trump's goal of increasing the military budget, along with his recent statement that he is no longer funding the CIA-sponsored program of funding jihadists in Syria, it seems that under Trump the MILITARY is in control of our military ops.

I just look to the bombing of Syria on multiple occasions. That to me indicates Trump is not running the show. He's made multiple statements that ISIS is his sole focus in Syria, that the US should cooperate with Russia against ISIS - and then ...

Quote:
What that means in terms of policy depends on how many realists - instead of ass-kissing political-generals- are in the upper ranks. I haven't figured that out yet. But it also explains why - except for Rex Tillerson - Trump distrusts the State Department, along with the alphabet-agencies, and he should.

I agree. State and the alphabet-agencies seems to have been running their own agendas for decades, that may, or may not, coincide with presidential policy. But with the soft coup they're been running against Trump, they may have boxed him in, outflanked him, or coerced him.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:41 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So Signy

You've been keeping much closer track - is there anything that rises to the level of evidence?

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Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:13 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Signy

You've been keeping much closer track - is there anything that rises to the level of evidence?

So 1kiki,

Trump asking Attorney General Jeff Sessions to resign so that Trump could replace him with a new A.G. who would fire Special Counsel Robert Mueller is not evidence that Trump knows Mueller will find evidence of a Trump crime if given enough time?

www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-trump-could-fire-robert-mueller-th
e-special-counsel-2017-07-25

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Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:28 AM

I don't know about evidence.

It's something to think about.

I think that people ought to keep in mind that all of this is being done in broad daylight. That makes me think two things.

1. Is there really anything at all there since every single person paying attention is seeing this?

2. What on earth is going on behind closed doors while this dog and pony show is keeping the sheeple's attention?

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Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:39 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Your question #2 is the most interesting and easiest to understand: While the people look elsewhere, Congress passes tax cuts for the wealthy. I was hoping the Republicans would have already drafted their tax "reform", but I haven't got my big fat cut.

Your question #1 has an all too obvious answer. Trump is guilty as hell and he doesn't want Congress, the FBI, Robert Mueller, or the Dept. of Justice to investigate what guilty deeds he did.

If it was me doing the investigating, to save time and money I'd ask Trump what he did, while I'm waterboarding him. Trump has said that is effective, yet not torture. All Trump's words are "evidence".
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/316435-trump-waterboarding
-isnt-torture

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I don't know about evidence.

It's something to think about.

I think that people ought to keep in mind that all of this is being done in broad daylight. That makes me think two things.

1. Is there really anything at all there since every single person paying attention is seeing this?

2. What on earth is going on behind closed doors while this dog and pony show is keeping the sheeple's attention?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:30 PM

What I mean is that everybody and their mother that doesn't like Trump is seeing every single thing that is going on because none of it is being hidden.

I just don't believe that secrets, if there are any, are buried where everybody is looking. Everybody thinks they're Sherlock Holmes today, but if everybody is right about this one it has nothing to do with their ability or intuition. If he really is guilty of something than what is going on today is essentially the equivalent of somebody murdering somebody right in front of you on live television for millions of people to see. No investigation necessary. Throw the book at them.

Maybe Trump and his team really are that stupid. I would suggest that Democrats need to stop underestimating people they don't like.

I'm just wondering what bad stuff is going on while all of you guys are looking the other way. I don't think it's tax stuff like Second says.

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Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:09 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I'm just wondering what bad stuff is going on while all of you guys are looking the other way. I don't think it's tax stuff like Second says.

In Today's News:

Six months of Trump's Mar-a-Lago trips likely cost more than a year of US military transgender health care
https://qz.com/1039223

Trump cited “medical costs and disruption” as his reasons for banning transgender people from the military on July 26. The RAND Corporation found there’s nothing to back up the claim. The report says gender transition-related health care — not just surgeries, but also ongoing care such as hormone treatment — sets the US military back less than $8.4 million per year.

By comparison, Trump’s trips to his Mar-a-Lago “winter White House” have been estimated at $3.6 million each. The leftist Center for American Progress think tank guesses his 11 total trips to Mar-a-Lago and Bedminster golf course since taking office have cost $29 million.

So, what are Trump’s real motives?

One administration official reportedly suggested that it’s part of a strategy for the 2018 midterm elections — a way of shoring up support from blue-collar voters, by boxing Democrats into taking a stance that will be unpopular in places like the midwest.

That is a repeat of the playbook president George W. Bush used in 2004. Having won office as a “compassionate conservative,” his reelection campaign — masterminded by Karl Rove — took a “traditional values” platform including strident opposition to gay marriage.

Today Trump negated his promises made by a different Trump in July 2016: “I will do everything I can to protect our LGBTQ citizens”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:57 PM

Show me one person who is transgender who is butt-hurt that they can't join the military. If you manage to find one, or even a few that say they are for that story, find me one other transgender that is not mentioned in that story.

My point is that transgender people make up about .01% of the population, or thereabouts, and the amount of transgender people that would actually want to join the military would likely be a very small fraction of that. I can't really think of anybody of either "traditional binary sex" that would actually want to join the military today.

This is just another bullshit Leftists talking point full of "feels".

If you want to say something, just say it.

I absolutely HATE government wasteful spending. Pointing out the ridiculous costs of these trips on its own merit (or demerit, as it were) is enough to get my blood boiling. Comparing it to the amount of theoretical medical expenses of the two transgender people in this country who legitimately want to join the military and aren't just starting more shit just trivializes the point.

It automatically tunes out "new" listeners. The only people who get "outraged" by a story like this are the people who have been against Trump since day one. Everybody else just ignores it.

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:58 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I was always an anti-Hillary supporter.

Not that you'd admit it, despite me posting that exact same thing at least 50 times to TRY and educate you.

I don't know why anybody keeps trying to deny this. AFAIK this has been the consistent position of 1kiki, and I Don't recall her ever changing from this stance.
If somebody has proof or example of this being untrue, you could point out the specific post to try to redeem your credibility.

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:18 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

More Evidence: Trump continues to deride Sessions (As a reminder to those who have forgotten, first Trump needs to be rid of Attorney General Sessions, then he can fire Robert Mueller, which would stop the investigation into Trump)

On his third straight day of publicly complaining about Jeff Sessions, President Trump questions why his attorney general has not fired the acting director of the FBI over his wife’s ties to Hillary Clinton.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Why didn't A.G. Sessions replace Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe, a Comey friend who was in charge of Clinton investigation but got....
6:48 AM - 26 Jul 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890207082926022656

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

...big dollars ($700,000) for his wife's political run from Hillary Clinton and her representatives. Drain the Swamp!
6:52 AM - 26 Jul 2017
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890208319566229504

Sessions, who has privately told allies that he does not plan to resign, has not addressed the president’s criticism this week. But several Senate Republicans, many of whom had been previously reluctant to break with the president for fear of alienating conservatives loyal to Trump, spoke up on his behalf.

“Sessions is a very loyal man to the president. He stepped in front with him when no senator did,” said Alabama GOP Sen. Richard Shelby. “I think loyalty ought to be a two-way street.”

Tennessee GOP Sen. Bob Corker said: “I wish it would stop.”

South Carolina GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham framed the president’s efforts to pressure Sessions to resign, instead of firing him, as “a sign of weakness.”

Rush Limbaugh, the influential conservative GOP talk radio host, said this week that “it’s also a little bit discomforting, unseemly, for Trump to go after such a loyal supporter this way.”

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:33 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
When Trump was declared victor I tried to find the bright side by thinking there was an outside chance that President Trump might be The Great Schmoozer.

Because he won't carefully think ahead about the consequences of stopping the Russian investigation, Trump is making enemies out of friends: "Many in Russia declared dead any hope for improved relations with Washington under a Trump administration, and there were suggestions that European pique over the proposed measures created an opening for an anti-U.S. alliance."
www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/jul/27/lawmakers-forge-sanctions-deal
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This is more evidence that Trump knows what the Russian investigation can find about Trump if Robert Mueller is given enough time. So long as Trump can slow the investigation, it is personally worth making the world the enemy of the USA. But it's not what a President would do who cared about more than family business deals.

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:59 PM

Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly.

Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare?

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:12 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly.

Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare?

Maybe patriotism? But one provable motivation is money. The Department of Defense has a budget of four hundred nineteen point three billion dollars and more than three million employees. None of them are refusing their paychecks, VA benefits, or pensions. It is better paying than working at Wal-Mart and the Pentagon does indeed compare itself to Wal-Mart, except it is a much bigger employer. www.defense.gov/About/DoD-101/

So, what are Trump’s real motives?
https://qz.com/1039223

One administration official reportedly suggested that it’s part of a strategy for the 2018 midterm elections — a way of shoring up support from blue-collar voters, by boxing Democrats into taking a stance that will be unpopular in places like the midwest.

That is a repeat of the playbook president George W. Bush used in 2004. Having won office as a “compassionate conservative,” his reelection campaign — masterminded by Karl Rove — took a “traditional values” platform including strident opposition to gay marriage.

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:58 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly.

Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare?

Most likely it's that they hope to find themselves in the chaos of a live fire battle so they can shoot some white hetero males in the back and say it was an accident. Just a guess.

Srsly, why does anyone join the army? I'm guessing it's for those same reasons.

Point out that Trump had the opportunity to volunteer and the record speaks for itself that he did not. Instead, he bribed a doctor for a medical exemption 1-Y followed by 4-F. He never released the doctor's records from September 1968 or 1972 so we can't know what the hell is wrong with him, but his real medical problem, diarrhea of the mouth, still bothers Trump.

Trump himself doesn't seem to fully remember. In a recent interview with the New York Times, for instance, he said the bone spurs in his heel were "temporary," "minor," and had no real impact on him. Yet he's also said that the bone spurs made it difficult for him to walk "long-term." In other instances, he's declared that he's in perfect health, and his longtime physician stated Trump has had "no significant medical problems" in over 40 years. They both seem to have forgotten that one problem supposedly so detrimental that it kept him from serving in Vietnam.

www.bustle.com/p/donald-trumps-vietnam-draft-documents-are-going-viral
-in-light-of-his-transgender-military-ban-72718

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:14 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

More Evidence:

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham: “There will be holy hell to pay” if Trump fires Sessions.

“Any effort to go after Mueller could be the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency, unless Mueller did something wrong,” Graham added.

If Trump "would fire (Special Counsel Robert) Mueller or have somebody fire Mueller because he doesn't like Mueller or Mueller is doing something" he opposes, "then we become Russia."

https://t.co/SmVknVn7Ly

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:17 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So a neocon Senator mouths off. Graham makes as much sense as McCain, which is ... none at all. These guys want war. You should pick your allies better.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 5:08 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So a neocon Senator mouths off. Graham makes as much sense as McCain, which is ... none at all. These guys want war. You should pick your allies better.

You should pick your Trump better. If Trump was not constantly erecting and igniting one fireworks display after another that says, "I'm Guilty, I'm Guilty As Hell" he'd be able to smoothly go about his work. But noooooo, Trump can't control himself. He is a pyromaniac. That man loves to set fire to his reputation.

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly.

Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare?

It's the free payment of their surgical expenses and treatments.
Free Government Money.

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:07 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
So a neocon Senator mouths off. Graham makes as much sense as McCain, which is ... none at all. These guys want war. You should pick your allies better. - SIGNY

You should pick your Trump better. If Trump was not constantly erecting and igniting one fireworks display after another that says, "I'm Guilty, I'm Guilty As Hell" he'd be able to smoothly go about his work. But noooooo, Trump can't control himself. He is a pyromaniac. That man loves to set fire to his reputation.- SECOND

Baloney. The neocons, globalists, and deep staters would be after him no matter WHAT he said. Yanno, kind of like you.

The CIA spooks and deep-staters and interventionists are SO UPSET with Trump's cutting off CIA funds to jihadists that they are coming out of the woodwork to attack Trump in public. Like Michael Vickers just did. Michael Vickers was the guy who was in charge of the CIA's secret program to arm and fund jihadists in Afghanistan. And what a clusterfuck that turned out to be, for us.

Quote:
The CIA's Afghan Jihad Architect Declares War On Trump

I'm going to put this in the "USA's war on Syria" thread. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61742

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:09 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Back to the topic of Evidence of Collusion with Russia.
The Collusion of Democrats and their Fusion GPS ploy with Russia.

The fallacies of the Libtards' Collusion with Trump and the truths of Democrap Collusion are supposed to be laid out tonight in a special broadcast on LevinTV or CRTV. It is supposed to be free tonight, in front of the paywall. Likely starts about 8pm central time.

https://www.crtv.com/levintv#sthash.CattLTwu.dpbs

I assume it will be somewhere around that linky.

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Friday, July 28, 2017 1:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why would 15,000 transgender people serve in the military, willingly.

Do they hate themselves, or is it the healthcare?
It's the free payment of their surgical expenses and treatments.
Free Government Money.

Whatever extra costs their surgical expenses and treatments are, as related to the transgender treatments, every male and female soldier should get in the form of a check. Otherwise, transgendered soldiers are being paid more to do the same job as the men and women who serve.

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Friday, July 28, 2017 3:09 AM