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Is Trump Nuts?
Monday, April 17, 2017 12:49 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, April 17, 2017 12:53 PM
6STRINGJOKER
Quote:Originally posted by second: Immigration was a big deal in the 2016 election. All the budget and regulation and Obamacare and climate change stuff was just noise that voters didn't take very seriously. But building a wall was nice and simple, and they thought it would bring back their jobs and keep their towns safe. Trump is nuts to not do it. The Wall is why he is President according to www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/its-wall-wot-won-it
Monday, April 17, 2017 12:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Quote:Originally posted by second: Immigration was a big deal in the 2016 election. All the budget and regulation and Obamacare and climate change stuff was just noise that voters didn't take very seriously. But building a wall was nice and simple, and they thought it would bring back their jobs and keep their towns safe. Trump is nuts to not do it. The Wall is why he is President according to www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/its-wall-wot-won-it Well thanks for adding motherjones to the list of sites not worth ever reading. There were many reasons why Trump is the president now. The wall is only one of them. The biggest reason that this happened was because the Democrats have become so terrible that Hillary was their only choice. While Trump is building that wall, you should work on re-building your party and getting somebody who could actually run against him in 2020. I'll take your silence on the matter of the sanctuary city as your concession that you were wrong about what you posted.
Monday, April 17, 2017 12:58 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, April 17, 2017 1:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: According to Pollster, Trump's approval rating has been improving for the past couple of weeks. I guess a couple of high-profile bombings can do wonders even if people don't really trust you to keep your promises anymore. If Trump won't build the Wall, he better drop many more bombs for the sake of his approval ratings. I suggest North Korea. I just want to be helpful. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/views-trump-down-job-approval
Monday, April 17, 2017 2:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Quote:Originally posted by second: According to Pollster, Trump's approval rating has been improving for the past couple of weeks. I guess a couple of high-profile bombings can do wonders even if people don't really trust you to keep your promises anymore. If Trump won't build the Wall, he better drop many more bombs for the sake of his approval ratings. I suggest North Korea. I just want to be helpful. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/04/views-trump-down-job-approval Yep... The MSM got what it wanted and the sheeple are settling down because the media isn't triggering them every day. Good lesson that trump is learning there Second. Maybe now would be a good time to reflect on the MSM yourself and ask why after dropping bombs do they back off of him after being so relentless for the last 3 months?
Monday, April 17, 2017 5:50 PM
Monday, April 17, 2017 6:33 PM
Monday, April 17, 2017 7:38 PM
DREAMTROVE
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: I think it's Aspergers. You can't argue anything with second because she will constantly change the subject on you when you're right. Notice in our exchange she never once contested any of my points, nor conceded any. At least 5 replies there were links to new stories and points that only vaguely had anything to do with what we were talking about.
Quote:The angry mob returns to the mayor’s office, yelling “Down with taxes! Down with taxes!” The mayor has to do something… Quimby: Are those morons getting dumber or just louder? Assistant: [Takes a moment to check his clipboard] Dumber, sir.
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Did you get the point of the Simpson reference?
Quote:Do you see yourself as Mayor Quimby or the Mob? I see myself as the Assistant and you are not Quimby.
Quote:I don't discuss it because actually talking to a Republican about politics is like talking to them about evolution. (Keep in mind I'm in Texas. In your state, you may have people with Republican leanings, you may be one yourself, who are open to "conversion" to evolution, to "belief" in science. I'm using evolution as an example of a topic that is not worth discussing in an open forum with somebody that is just looking for an excuse to say Liar! or fanatic! or Autistic!) The Texas Republicans respond to evolution with "You've got your fossils created by Satan (substitute 'fake facts' if it was about politics) from your non-Christian (substitute ‘leftist’ if it is about politics) scientists with their theories of evolution (there is often sneering at the word theory) but the only true facts are in the books of the Holy Bible." Bejesus to all that.
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: You talk down to them. Everything you post is an argument you've already won in your mind because you have all the answers. You end up doing exactly what you accuse the Texas Republicans of doing when it comes to the theory of evolution.
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second:A lot of bile coming from you, 6stringJoker. Are you offended that the 1% doesn’t change paths, swerve around you, just because you are getting run over by them in the real world?
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:14 AM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: You talk down to them. Everything you post is an argument you've already won in your mind because you have all the answers. You end up doing exactly what you accuse the Texas Republicans of doing when it comes to the theory of evolution.A lot of bile coming from you, 6stringJoker. Are you offended that the 1% doesn’t change paths, swerve around you, just because you are getting run over by them in the real world? But Trump is a completely different kind of 1 percenter. Oh yes! He is considerate of your delicate sensibilities. Actually, he has got your pride and vulnerabilities figured out. He knows what will persuade you. To him, you are a vote. To me, you are a drain.
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Nope. I didn't say anything at all about 1%. I was talking to you about something completely different. I guess we're going to veer completely off course again, huh? Sorry... stopped reading the rest of your post because you can't stay on topic. You're welcome to try again.
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: I guess we're going to veer completely off course again, huh?
Tuesday, April 18, 2017 1:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I'm not staying on your preferred topics because the topic is Is Trump nuts?
Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: I can't have a conversation with you because you are just all over the map. This is a problem I've pointed out before, and others have noticed as well.
Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: I can't have a conversation with you because you are just all over the map. This is a problem I've pointed out before, and others have noticed as well. ...thinking you are making a positive contribution to humanity. You're not. "Conversation" is possible between like minded people who have the time and indicate they want to "converse". I come here to post some oddity I find about Trump's mind, or the minds of his voters, or the minds of people that think Trump is not half nuts. I'm not here to read your opinion then post my response to the peculiar way your mind works. That would be more effort than you are worth to me.
Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Well then. Go fuck yourself. By all means, continue to post your ill thought out ramblings about nothing then. Don't let me stop you. To "The Future": Do your own fact checking when reading the bullshit that Second posts. A lot of times she makes it pretty easy by posting things that argue her own points in the very same post.
Quote:Maybe if they stopped lying, they'd stop being called liars. I have a better title to this article... Talking To Myself: The Sound of a Tree Falling in a Forest When No One is There to Hear it
Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:47 AM
Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: I can't have a conversation with you because you are just all over the map. This is a problem I've pointed out before, and others have noticed as well. It's a technical problem because we are not at the same spot on Earth at the same time having a conversation. This is not like emails sent back and forth to colleagues. Not like a business letter sent by US Postal Service. For me it is more like I'm sending vacation postcards from an exotic land and you are a stranger who momentarily got your hands on a message not written specially for you, then you scribble a note on my postcard and send on it along, thinking you are making a positive contribution to humanity. You're not. "Conversation" is possible between like minded people who have the time and indicate they want to "converse". I come here to post some oddity I find about Trump's mind, or the minds of his voters, or the minds of people that think Trump is not half nuts. I'm not here to read your opinion then post my response to the peculiar way your mind works. That would be more effort than you are worth to me. You're just some stranger scribbling notes on post cards I'm sending to the future. I'm going to do what I came here to do one more time: www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/books/review/knowledge-illusion-steven-sloman-philip-fernbach.html . . . Most people don’t like too many facts, and they certainly don’t like to feel stupid. If you think that you can convince Donald Trump of the truth of global warming by presenting him with the relevant facts — think again. Indeed, scientists who believe that facts can change public opinion may themselves be the victims of scientific groupthink. The scientific community believes in the efficacy of facts, hence those loyal to that community continue to believe they can win public debates by marshaling the right facts, despite much empirical evidence to the contrary. Similarly, the traditional belief in individual rationality may itself be the product of groupthink rather than of empirical evidence. In one of the climactic moments of Monty Python’s “Life of Brian,” a huge crowd of starry-eyed followers mistakes Brian for the Messiah. Caught in a corner, Brian tells his disciples: “You don’t need to follow me, you don’t need to follow anybody! You’ve got to think for yourselves! You’re all individuals!” The enthusiastic crowd then chants in unison: “Yes! We’re all individuals!” Monty Python was parodying the counterculture orthodoxy of the 1960s, but the point may be true of the belief in rational individualism in other ages too. In the coming decades, the world will probably become far more complex than it is today. Individual humans will consequently know even less about the technological gadgets, the economic currents and the political dynamics that shape the world. How could we then vest authority in voters and customers who are so ignorant and susceptible to manipulation? If Sloman and Fernbach (S&F) are correct, providing future voters and customers with more and better facts would hardly solve the problem. So what’s the alternative? S&F don’t have a solution. They suggest a few remedies like offering people simple rules of thumb (“Save 15 percent of your income,” say), educating people on a just-in-time basis (teaching them how to handle unemployment immediately when they are laid off) and encouraging people to be more realistic about their ignorance. This will hardly be enough, of course. True to their own advice, S&F are well aware of the limits of their own understanding, and they know they don’t know the answer. In all likelihood, nobody knows. Is the Truth Still Out There? April 18, 2017 http://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2017/04/is-the-truth-still-out-there.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:16 PM
Thursday, April 20, 2017 5:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Your way out of your league kid. The only way you could ever hope to match wits with me is if I were to fall off the wagon.
Thursday, April 20, 2017 3:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: It might seem ludicrous that only hours after many of us called Trump a Russian spy, a new Hitler, a feckless idiot, a psychopath, a sun-downing, pill-popping monster, we fell in line and rallied behind him and our troops because, after all, he is our President and Presidents lead and the troops must be supported. But we’ve done it all before—in 2001, again in 2003, and in too many other instances to count. War has become a given in American political life, and in the process it has become depoliticized. And thus the bitter irony: for all the many warnings to not “normalize” Trump lest we court disaster, it is his turn to war that will seal his normalization and mark our return to “normalcy,” even if it means ruin. Uncle Sam and Donald Trump do not demand that we wage wars for them; instead, for the sake of a return to normal, we need them to wage war for us.
Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:35 PM
Saturday, April 22, 2017 2:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Normalize Trump is a talking point of the HRC crowd, still pretending that he's a Hitler, abnormal, and a white supremacist, that the PC lingo for what you're not supposed to do with Nazis, meaning, don't talk to them or treat them like people. Or Trump, because he's one of them. Sorry, it's nonsense. Please, normalize Trump, he's pretty normal. Stop pretending he isn't. He's not perfect, in fact, very flawed, but not Hillary level of flawed. We've considered that genocidal loon "normal" for years.
Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:25 PM
Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: SECOND You guys ARE the war machine.
Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:17 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:You guys ARE the war machine.- KIKI Agreed.- SIX
Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:34 PM
Saturday, April 22, 2017 8:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: I remember being on the side of most Democrats in here back when GWB was president. I was one of his loudest detractors for that and the economy and especially the Patriot Act. lol... now I'm a Republican or a Nazi or a Communist or whatever incompatible names they throw out depending on their mood that day.
Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:54 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: SECOND You guys ARE the war machine. Care to address that?
Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Congress and Trump do not want them to start thinking carefully or clearly on this subject or any other, do they?
Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:27 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: SECOND You guys ARE the war machine. Care to address that?I am not happy to address that. I find most of my neighbors' in Texas attitude about war to be unrealistic. They imagine they know what it is without actually having killed anyone, like on Firefly every other episode. Come to think of it, Nathan Fillion and Summer Glau have not actually killed anyone, although they have done it many times on TV. We could ask Nathan and Summer what Mal, Castle, River and Cameron the Terminator's opinion was, but what do the actors really know? Nothing. Here is my informed opinion: Not all voters here in Texas are Republican, but the majority are. Those voters want “Strong Defense”. What they mean by “Strong” is to constantly threaten foreign enemies and occasionally go to war without too many American dead. You can be certain most Texans won't be personally going to war. Not every last one of them wants “Strong Defense”, but it is knee-jerk with most because there really is no risk for their skin. The minority voters, the Democrats, also want “Strong Defense”. Not all of them, but more than enough to make any Democratic politician feel safe when voting a big budget for the Dept. of Defense and the CIA and the NSA and . . . There is not much anti-war sentiment in Congress or Texas. If there is a state or Senator that is anti-war, shout out the names! Provide proof. Where is the Sen. George McGovern for this century? Is there a group of voters declaring they will kill, next election, their Congressman's chances of winning if he votes for a “Strong Defense” budget? It is imaginable yet absurd to think there is a political group defending their anti-war principles with violence, like the example of anti-abortionists who have killed doctors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence The armed forces volunteered to kill for the USA. That is not the same as die for the USA because the wars are unsymmetrical with a kill ratio between enemy dead/wounded and USA dead/wounded of ten, twenty, or a hundred, depending on where and when. You won’t find much anti-war sentiment in the Army. Anybody remember Chelsea Manning? I’m not even sure about Manning being anti-war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Military_service The American Generals and Admirals say they are ready for war all the time. Luckily for the USA, the upper echelons are aware of the limitations of “Strong Defense”. Some of them have read about the Vietnam War and even the first Korean War. They know it is better for their careers (followed by their retirement in their early fifties) if they don’t leap into most opportunities for war. The American Generals and Admirals are protecting us from our worst impulses to go to a major war by giving us minor wars to keep us distracted. If the military isn’t killing somebody every month and making threats every week the taxpayers might think 90% of the money for a “Strong Defense” is being wasted. Congress and Trump do not want them to start thinking carefully or clearly on this subject or any other, do they? The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:You guys ARE the war machine.- KIKI Agreed.- SIX But certainly will not be addressed by any self-respecting Democrat/ liberal. Hey, I remember back to the Vietnam war days, and the Dems used to be anti-war. What the hell happened???
Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: The latest departure frum reality:
Sunday, April 23, 2017 8:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: How does your memory reconcile LBJ starting, prolonging, ensuring the loss of the Vietnam War? Plus all of his Libtard supporters? Or maybe how Nixon ended the War?
Sunday, April 23, 2017 8:48 PM
Sunday, April 23, 2017 8:57 PM
Quote:I'm willing to reconsider my opinions about Trump if there are actual things of substance that he is guilty of, but I'm not going to sift through thousands of hate articles that are thrown against the wall by the left just to see what sticks.
Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Didja notice that now that the BUT RUSSIA! meme has died down in the press (for now) the hysteria has died down here too? Sheesh. People are so inducible.
Monday, April 24, 2017 8:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: SECOND So, why is it bad for repubs to be war mongers, but ok for dems?
Monday, April 24, 2017 9:49 AM
Monday, April 24, 2017 11:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: A war tax is a terrible idea. Have you ever once in your life seen a tax that wasn't increased over time?
Monday, April 24, 2017 11:33 AM
Monday, April 24, 2017 11:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I saw an article this morning about how to herd both Democratic Party and GOP into a less interventionist foreign policy:
Monday, April 24, 2017 11:58 AM
Monday, April 24, 2017 1:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Haha! Good luck getting a straight answer out of Second. Incoming link to another vaguely related story to deflect your questions in 3..... 2...... 1....
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