Is Trump Nuts? by THGRRI

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
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Originally posted by second:
. . . in the past two months we've had a botched raid in Yemen; two attacks in Syria with heavy civilian casualties; and now an airstrike in Mosul that left hundreds of civilians dead. It's fair to wonder if a guy whose idea of military strategy is to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" has also decided that he doesn't much care about civilian casualties while he's doing it.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/mosul-yet-another-botched-opera
tion

Don't stop your research after only two months Second.

Go all the way back from now to 2004 and let me know what you turn up.

“There’s a playbook in Washington that presidents are supposed to follow that comes out of the foreign-policy establishment,” Obama said. “The playbook prescribes responses to different events, and these responses tend to be militarized. Where America is directly threatened, the playbook works. But the playbook can also be a trap that can lead to bad decisions.”

I’ll be sad to see that attitude gone from the White House.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second.

So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 10:04 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second.

So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.

You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars, was standing in the way of all those people who routinely demand that dropping more tons of bombs and firing more cruise missiles is the first and best answer to every problem. On the other hand, Trump wants to "bomb the shit" out of terrorism. Remember when Trump sent a mission to Yemen? Trump doesn't do detailed plans as Commander-in-Chief. With him, it is improvise all the way, all the time.
www.npr.org/2017/02/10/514378178/fact-check-trumps-yemen-raid-winning-
mission-or-failure-its-not-so-simple

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 27, 2017 12:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars ...

So basically what you're saying is that there are people in positions of authority .... in this case, the Pentagon .... who are plotting things that go against the President's plans?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that such a thing would happen!

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Monday, March 27, 2017 1:57 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by G:
I was watching them try and impeach gwb - maybe you forgot they actually tried, that it wasn't just you?

WRONG. AGAIN.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/30/george-w-bush-impeach
-congress-iraq-ask-usa-today/22623773/
Republicans' vote to impeach helped boost Clinton's approval rating to an astronomical 73% in December 1998, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup poll (by comparison, President Obama is lucky to get 50% these days). At the same time, public approval of Republicans fell to an abysmal 31%.

When Democrats started talking about impeaching President George W. Bush for supposedly lying about the reason for the 2003 invasion of Iraq – weapons of mass destruction that were never found – the lessons of the Clinton impeachment were still fresh. Democratic leaders wanted nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 2:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

G

I'M WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THE POINT YOU POSTED, WHICH I ADDRESSED.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is Trump Nuts? Every time I read the title Is Trump Nuts?, the first thing that pops into my head is - do I care? And the answer always is - No. Not until such time as it looks like he's driving the car into WWIII.

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Originally posted by G:
Says Kiki thinking only of herself as usual.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, and everyone else and the rest of the entire planet that could be ashed and radiated to death, or perish in a nuclear winter.

Did those minor concerns that are - may I point out - NOT about me - escape your notice?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 2:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SECOND, I'M WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THE POINT YOU POSTED, WHICH I ADDRESSED.

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Originally posted by second:
Out of all rich countries in the world, the USA has the worst distribution of wealth.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is he jonesing for WWIII like 'Hillary and the neocons'™? No. Good. Everything else is fixable later on.

BTW, Hillary never made improving the economy and jobs part of her platform.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/22/hillary-cl
intons-top-10-campaign-promises/

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 2:05 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SECOND, I'M WAITING FOR A RESPONSE TO THE POINT YOU POSTED, WHICH I ADDRESSED.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
You are doing a variation on the ancient antiwar slogan “Better Red Than Dead”

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Better anything than dead - not as hyperbole, but as reality.

'Hillary and the neocons™' reckless war-mongering, and intention to ceaselessly provoke Russia - with no apparent aim or end - is what was truly insane.

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 3:24 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second.

So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.
You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars, was standing in the way of all those people who routinely demand that dropping more tons of bombs and firing more cruise missiles is the first and best answer to every problem. On the other hand, Trump wants to "bomb the shit" out of terrorism. Remember when Trump sent a mission to Yemen? Trump doesn't do detailed plans as Commander-in-Chief. With him, it is improvise all the way, all the time.
www.npr.org/2017/02/10/514378178/fact-check-trumps-yemen-raid-winning-
mission-or-failure-its-not-so-simple

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm showing a little too much bias? That's hilarious.

How do you think these things go down Second? Is it like a Hollywood movie where they're all viewing it on a huge screen in an Apollo 13 Huston type setting, with Trump standing right in the center of it saying "Bomb the Hell out of those bastards!" as a woman in a hajib looks up at the camera in the drone and shields her children's eyes before it cuts to black?

I'm not even making a comment here about either "side". I'm not making a comment about Trump or Obama or GWB.

What I'm commenting about is You and your echo chamber here. The people that either didn't know this was going on while Obama was president or didn't care at all about it, but now can't stop talking about it.

If anything, it's just showing your unbridled bias.

Know Thyself Second.

I'll just keep saying that and maybe one day you'll get it.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 6:54 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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The House voted 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary Committee on June 11, where no further action was taken on it.

You must mean the impeachment went to the United States House Committee on the Judiciary, 2008. Let's see, the committee was democratic, headed by Conyers, of Michigan, 2007-2011.

So, thanks for pointing out that the DEMOCRATIC HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DIDN'T PURSUE THE GWB IMPEACHMENT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Committee_on_the_Jud
iciary

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 7:01 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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I SAID YOU WERE A DUMBSH*T FOR BELIEVING THE FAKE NEWS ABOUT HILLARY.

Really? Where?

MEANWHILE, I have yet to see you respond ON TOPIC, which was the point YOU MADE that all I was concerned about was moi. And I replied:

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, and everyone else and the rest of the entire planet that could be ashed and radiated to death, or perish in a nuclear winter.

Did those minor concerns that are - may I point out - NOT about me - escape your notice?

So, how about those minor concerns like 'everyone else and the rest of the entire planet that could be ashed and radiated to death, or perish in a nuclear winter'? Are they about me, or not?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, March 27, 2017 8:50 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I just noticed this thread was about Obama wiretapping Trump, and perhaps about Obama illegally disseminating private phone content gleaned from that.

Gee Whiz, talk about a mislabeled Thread Title.

This thread seems more on point:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61444&mid=1
027379#1027379

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:00 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Automation increases what a worker can do. If a company has 100 workers, and automating some drudgery in the work place enables the company to do twice as much, only a relatively unimaginative company would selection reducing the staff to 50 as the only viable option.

If you can't think of anything else for your workers to do, you probably shouldn't be in business, and with 300,000 corporations competing in America, pretty soon, you probably won't be.

Coal is real life example where this kind of thinking is just wrong. As miners get 10 times more productive, the USA does not need 10 times more coal. Who would buy when 9 out of every 10 tons of coal produced are not needed for furnaces?

One of Trump’s crazier promises: Nine-tenths of coal miners are gone
www.wvgazettemail.com/gazette-columns/20170321/james-a-haught-nine-ten
ths-of-coal-miners-are-gone-gazette

The decline in coalmine jobs is glaringly visible in West Virginia.

Our state had 125,000 pick-and-shovel miners in 1950 when I was a teen. Most of the diggers lived in company-owned towns. Coal was the state’s throbbing pulse. Explosions killing scores of miners were common. Violent strikes were common.

In the 1950s, coal owners began replacing human miners with digging machines, and misery followed. Around 70,000 West Virginia miners lost their jobs and fled north via the “hillbilly highway” to Akron and Cleveland. But coal production remained high.

In the 1970s, longwall machines could produce 10 times as much coal with half as many workers. And more jobs vanished because mining switched to huge surface pits, where monster machines and explosives do the work. The number of West Virginia miners continued falling — to the 30,000s in the 1990s, then below 20,000 in the new 21st century. The slump worsened when horizontal drilling and hydraulic “fracking” loosed a flood of cheaper natural gas that grabbed coal markets. Official state figures put today’s total around 12,000.

During coal’s heyday, West Virginia was called the most unionized state — and it voted solidly Democratic. As jobs fizzled, so did organized labor. The state turned “red.” In 2016, Donald Trump vowed: “We’re going to get those miners back to work” — and West Virginia voted for him by one of the largest margins in America.

But even if Trump wipes out federal pollution and safety controls, I doubt that it will “get those miners back to work.” They would stand a better chance if Trump shifted enough federal funds to training for jobs of the future instead of easy but hollow promises that he can’t possibly keep.

The number of highly productive jobs in mining cannot grow without creating a glut of coal, driving down prices and constraining further growth in the wages paid to workers. Meanwhile, the technological capacity to eliminate costly labor in coal mining will continue to improve. To increase the number of coal miners back to what it was in 1950, Trump will have to write an executive order supporting Legacy Coal Mining. It’s all picks and shovels.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:20 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars ...
So basically what you're saying is that there are people in positions of authority .... in this case, the Pentagon .... who are plotting things that go against the President's plans?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that such a thing would happen!

The way the Pentagon prefers to run a mission is to not keep track of civilian deaths. It hates to give a body count sorted into categories: women, children. Then the local newspapers in Yemen keep track for the Pentagon. Then the Pentagon reads about it in the Yemen newspapers and denies it killed who it killed. When the same information makes it into the NYTimes because it sent reporters to the village the Pentagon attacked, the Pentagon denies that report, too. It can’t do anything but deny because it did not keep track. This is the Trump way, which fits very well with the way the Pentagon prefers to operate.
www.npr.org/2017/02/10/514378178/fact-check-trumps-yemen-raid-winning-
mission-or-failure-its-not-so-simple

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:43 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

I'm sure glad that Republicans are restoring the respect for America that we lost after eight years of that empty suit Barack Obama:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/opinion/the-offender-of-the-free
-world.html

When Donald Trump met Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany earlier this month, he put on one of his most truculent and ignorant performances. He wanted money — piles of it — for Germany’s defense, raged about the financial killing China was making from last year’s Paris climate accord and kept “frequently and brutally changing the subject when not interested, which was the case with the European Union.”

This was the summation provided by a senior European diplomat briefed on the meeting. Trump’s preparedness was roughly that of a fourth grader. He began the conversation by telling Merkel that Germany owes the United States hundreds of billions of dollars for defending it through NATO, and concluded by saying, “You are terrific” but still owe all that dough. Little else concerned him.

Trump knew nothing of the proposed European-American deal known as the Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, little about Russian aggression in Ukraine or the Minsk agreements, and was so scatterbrained that German officials concluded that the president’s daughter Ivanka, who had no formal reason to be there, was the more prepared and helpful. (Invited by Merkel, Ivanka will attend a summit on women’s empowerment in Berlin next month.)

Merkel is not one to fuss. But Trump’s behavior appalled her entourage and reinforced a conclusion already reached about this presidency in several European capitals: It is possible to do business with Trump’s national security adviser, Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, with Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, and with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, but these officials are flying blind because above them at the White House rages a whirlwind of incompetence and ignorance.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:47 PM

That's just a lot of negative spin by Trump haters Second.

I like how he handled that.

Merkel won't be a problem for anybody after she's voted out.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:05 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
That's just a lot of negative spin by Trump haters Second.

I like how he handled that.

Eventually he will handle it with "I can't recall" because Trump is having memory problems. Can’t remember Russian mobster Felix Sater.
http://whowhatwhy.org/2017/03/27/fbi-cant-tell-trump-russia/

Sater could simply walk up a flight of stairs to Trump’s office and stop in for an impromptu chat. Indeed, Sater and the Trump clan grew so close that in February 2006, at the personal request of Donald Trump, the mobster joined his children Ivanka, Donald Jr., and his son’s wife Vanessa in Moscow to show them around, according to his deposition testimony.

. . . a few years later, he could still be found in Trump Tower. But now he was apparently working directly for Trump himself, with an office, business cards, phone number and email address all provided by the Trump Organization. The cards identified him as a “Senior Advisor to Donald Trump.”

Today, Trump claims to have trouble remembering Sater.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:19 PM

I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.

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Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:22 PM

To be fair, studies have shown that most human beings can only remember about 150 or so people. Years after high school I still remembered pretty much all the names of people I knew back then, but I'll admit that a lot of the names to the faces I still recall have escaped me now. My circle has never been that large at any other point in my life, so I can't speak from personal experience otherwise.

I'm not saying that he didn't intentionally "forget" this person. I'm not saying that maybe at his age his memory isn't escaping him. One of those things could be true. I'm just saying that there could be other reasons why he doesn't remember this person other than automatically accusing him of something.

Could be that this person who remembers spending time with Trump's family in 2006 hasn't been on his mind much in the last 11 years and was purged from the memory banks.

I guess everything is a nefarious conspiracy when you're looking for one though.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:14 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.

Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family. There will be other deals we will never know about:

A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.

News of the negotiations surfaced as President Trump and the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, were preparing for their first meeting, to be held next month.

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance
-group.html?_r=0

It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Is SECOND nuts?

Is GSTRING nuts?

Is JO nuts?

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:52 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is SECOND nuts?

Is GSTRING nuts?

Is JO nuts?

Is Stephen Colbert's Late Show nuts for joking about Trump's nuttiness? Trump supporters won't watch Colbert since the show stopped being fair and balanced about Trump's fallibility.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:54 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is SECOND nuts?

Is GSTRING nuts?

Is JO nuts?

That's easy, no.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, your collective constant and obsessing over everything Trump - big or inconsequential, real or imagined, does indicate an imbalanced mental state.

I kind of went back to MY least favorite GOP President, who was without a doubt Cheney ....er, I mean Bush .... and although I hated that man with a passion and reviled just about everything that he did and loathed all of his neocon/ Zionist appointees, I sure wasn't "on" him for the stupid things you're grinding on and on about Trump. Especially that "Russia" thing! I mean .... really??? You have to be pretty stupid to be taken in by that one!

Blame the guy for the wrong that he does, sure. But give credit where credit is due, and for gods' sake stop obsessing over stuff that isn't even real.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:54 AM

Your problem SIG is that you refuse to admit to yourself that in debates leading up to the election, some of us here predicted the Trump failures and incompetence we have been witnessing in real time.

Your post here is subjective bullshit. Trump has no victories on policy, or anything else that make sense. Or, that aren't destructive.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, your collective constant and obsessing over everything Trump - big or inconsequential, real or imagined, does indicate an imbalanced mental state.

I kind of went back to MY least favorite GOP President, who was without a doubt Cheney ....er, I mean Bush .... and although I hated that man with a passion and reviled just about everything that he did and loathed all of his neocon/ Zionist appointees, I sure wasn't "on" him for the stupid things you're grinding on and on about Trump. Especially that "Russia" thing! I mean .... really??? You have to be pretty stupid to be taken in by that one!

Blame the guy for the wrong that he does, sure. But give credit where credit is due, and for gods' sake stop obsessing over stuff that isn't even real.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

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Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.
Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family. There will be other deals we will never know about:

A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.

News of the negotiations surfaced as President Trump and the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, were preparing for their first meeting, to be held next month.

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance
-group.html?_r=0

It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel?

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 4:30 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel?

Trump will spank nobody. The hundreds of billions of dollars he demanded from Germany for protecting it from Russia? He will get nothing from Merkel. He is that worthless, only good at enriching his family using his corrupt connections to China. China is bankrolling his son-in-law, if you didn't notice. Trump's other promises? Worthless. Maybe the GOP will keep Trump's promises if the promises serve the party, but Trump won't because what is in it for him? He won't get paid extra for making anything happen.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/face-corn-boycott-trump-decides
-nafta-not-so-bad-after-all

Maybe Trump was just blathering all along and never really had any intention of getting tough with Mexico. In the end, he'll build a few more miles of fencing, make a few modest changes to NAFTA, and then call it the greatest boon to the working man since the Wagner Act. I've also read a few pieces recently about China, and apparently all those Goldman Sachs folks he hired have talked Trump into backing down on a trade war there too. I guess Goldman Sachs has to be good for something.

Anyway, having given up on Mexico and China, now Trump is going after the ultra-conservatives of the House Freedom Caucus:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweets:
The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!
6:07 AM - 30 Mar 2017

I'll bet the Caucus is scared shitless. Trump is demonstrating that his talk may be big, but he can't make it stick. In his first two months, he's failed on his immigration order and his health care plan, has no chance of building his wall, and has backed down on Mexico and China. His bark is unquestionably worse than his bite.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:50 PM

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Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family.

Let's hope so. That running for president stuff is expensive, and captain hairpiece and his cadet flirtsalot are both on no salary
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A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

Oh look, I found the jew.
Quote:
The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.
He should keep his eye on his last marriage before it spends too much quality time with Justin Trudeau

Quote:
It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?
It's been going for many years.

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:51 PM

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Is ~~SECOND~~ SIGNYM nuts?

There, fixed that for ya.

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Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:

What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel?
Trump will spank nobody. The hundreds of billions of dollars he demanded from Germany for protecting it from Russia? He will get nothing from Merkel. He is that worthless, only good at enriching his family using his corrupt connections to China. China is bankrolling his son-in-law, if you didn't notice. Trump's other promises? Worthless. Maybe the GOP will keep Trump's promises if the promises serve the party, but Trump won't because what is in it for him? He won't get paid extra for making anything happen.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/face-corn-boycott-trump-decides
-nafta-not-so-bad-after-all

Maybe Trump was just blathering all along and never really had any intention of getting tough with Mexico. In the end, he'll build a few more miles of fencing, make a few modest changes to NAFTA, and then call it the greatest boon to the working man since the Wagner Act. I've also read a few pieces recently about China, and apparently all those Goldman Sachs folks he hired have talked Trump into backing down on a trade war there too. I guess Goldman Sachs has to be good for something.

Anyway, having given up on Mexico and China, now Trump is going after the ultra-conservatives of the House Freedom Caucus:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweets:
The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!
6:07 AM - 30 Mar 2017

I'll bet the Caucus is scared shitless. Trump is demonstrating that his talk may be big, but he can't make it stick. In his first two months, he's failed on his immigration order and his health care plan, has no chance of building his wall, and has backed down on Mexico and China. His bark is unquestionably worse than his bite.

lol

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Friday, March 31, 2017 6:03 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family.

Let's hope so. That running for president stuff is expensive, and captain hairpiece and his cadet flirtsalot are both on no salary
Quote:
A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.

Oh look, I found the jew.
Quote:
The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel.

If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.
He should keep his eye on his last marriage before it spends too much quality time with Justin Trudeau

Quote:
It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?
It's been going for many years.

The Chinese turned down the deal, so this is NOT a step along the way to Firefly's Chinese/American Alliance:

In a happy moment in the otherwise cloudy world of the Trump family and the flood of financial conflicts they’ve carted into Washington, a major Chinese investor has decided not to pour billions of dollars into a Manhattan skyscraper owned by the Jared Kushner clan.

Had this deal gone forward -- the effect would have been to bail Kushner out of a huge, misbegotten investment while letting his family take home at least $400 million and retain a minority ownership stake in the building -- it would have compromised President Donald Trump's diplomacy with China.

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-29/senators-please-ask-jared-k
ushner-about-666-fifth-avenue

Now the Trump son-in-law is asking Russians to make him rich. From the same article:

Kushner's meetings with Russian bankers during the presidential transition last fall and winter apparently help explain why the Senate is interested in speaking with him.

The timeline matters. Kushner began talking with Chinese investors about 666 Fifth Avenue last summer, around the time that Trump locked up the Republican nomination. Then he spearheaded more serious talks that took place in New York about a week after his father-in-law was elected in November.

According to the Times, Kushner met with Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, in early December as part of what appeared to be normal presidential transition meetings. A second Kislyak meeting with a Kushner deputy followed in December, as well as another, brokered by Kislyak, between Kushner and the head of a Russian bank, Vnesheconombank. The U.S. had imposed financial sanctions on that bank because of Russian President Vladimir Putin's military incursions in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea.

Vnesheconombank has close ties to the Kremlin and its chief executive, Sergey Gorkov, attended a training academy for members of Russia's security and intelligence services.

A Trump spokeswoman described Kushner's meetings with the Russians as routine, which they may have been given his role at the time as Trump's liaison to foreign powers.

But given how important 666 Fifth Avenue was for Kushner at the time, it's also possible that he saw the Russians as potential investors alongside the Chinese. Or as financial backups should the Chinese walk away from a deal.

The Times, citing a government source, said that the Senate plans to ask Kushner if financial help for 666 Fifth was part of his chats with Gorkov and Vnesheconombank.

Kushner's responses to questions about Russian and Chinese financing for his family's building may clarify what inspired him to negotiate so diligently with foreign lenders at a time when he surely understood the negotiating value of having his father-in-law on the cusp of assuming power in the White House.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 31, 2017 6:08 AM

Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

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Friday, March 31, 2017 6:13 AM

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Trump appears not to care about science. CAN THIS REALLY BE TRUE??? Trump's problem with science is (a) it's bo-o-o-o-o-ring, (b) it's depressing, and (c) it often clashes with stuff Trump wants to do. Why would Trump staff the egghead department, anyway?

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/science-technology-white-house-
trump.html

On the fourth floor of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, the staff of the White House chief technology officer has been virtually deleted, down from 24 members before the election to, by Friday, only one.

....Mr. Trump has not yet named his top advisers on technology or science, and so far, has made just one hire: Michael Kratsios, the former chief of staff for Peter Thiel, the Silicon Valley investor and one of the president’s wealthiest supporters, as the deputy chief technology officer.

Neither Mr. Kratsios, who has a bachelor’s degree in political science from Princeton, nor anyone else still working in the science and technology office regularly participates in Mr. Trump’s daily briefings, as they did for President Barack Obama. “The impression this leaves is that Trump isn’t interested in science and that scientific matters are a low priority at the White House,” said Vinton G. Cerf, a computer scientist, vice president of Google and one of the chief architects of the internet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 31, 2017 6:29 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Disgraced former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is asking for an immunity deal. Flynn had a different view of immunity when discussing the Hillary Clinton email investigation on Meet the Press during the campaign season:

“I mean, five people around her have had, have been given immunity, including her former chief of staff,” Flynn told Chuck Todd. “When you are given immunity, that means that you have probably committed a crime.”

www.vox.com/2017/3/30/15132280/michael-flynn-immunity-testify

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Friday, March 31, 2017 7:03 AM

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

Taxpayers pick up the tab for Trump’s pricey golf excursions.

Each golf trip costs taxpayers more than $3 million.

Trump family travel and protection costs will surpass half-a-billion dollars by the end of Trump’s four-year term, vastly more than has been spent for any other president. This despite Trump promising “I would rarely leave the White House because there’s so much work to be done.”

www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-trump-golf-20170327-st
ory.html

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Friday, March 31, 2017 7:54 AM

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/31/8-surprisingly-small-in
dustries-that-employ-more-people-than-coal/

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

“My action today is the latest in a series of steps to create American jobs and to grow American wealth,” President Trump said earlier this week before a group of coal miners.

Trump was announcing the rollback of several Obama-era environmental regulations that would have affected industries such as coal mining. Trump has repeatedly claimed that over-regulation has led to a decline in coal-industry jobs.

“I made them this promise,” Trump said at the signing. “We will put our miners back to work.”

Experts in the industry have already pointed out, repeatedly, that the coal jobs are extremely unlikely to come back. The plight of the coal industry is more a function of changing energy markets and increased demand for natural gas than anything else.

The chief executive of the nation's largest privately held coal operation told the Guardian earlier this month that Trump “can't bring back.”

Another largely overlooked point about coal jobs is that there just aren't that many of them relative to other industries. There are various estimates of coal-sector employment, but according to the Census Bureau's County Business Patterns program, which allows for detailed comparisons with many other industries, the coal industry employed 76,572 people in 2014, the latest year for which data is available.

That number includes not just miners but also office workers, sales staff and all of the other individuals who work at coal-mining companies.

Although 76,000 might seem like a large number, consider that similar numbers of people are employed by, say, the bowling (69,088) and skiing (75,036) industries. Other dwindling industries, such as travel agencies (99,888 people), employ considerably more. Used-car dealerships provide 138,000 jobs. Theme parks provide nearly 144,000. Carwash employment tops 150,000.

Looking at the level of individual businesses, the coal industry in 2014 (76,572) employed about as many as Whole Foods (72,650), and fewer workers than Arby's (close to 80,000), Dollar General (105,000) or J.C. Penney (114,000). The country's largest private employer, Walmart (2.2 million employees) provides roughly 28 times as many jobs as coal.

If anything the numbers above over-estimate the jobs impact of coal relative to other industries. Since 2014 the coal industry has shrunk further according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to 50,300 employees as of February 2017.

The point isn't that coal jobs don't matter — they matter to the people who have them and to the communities they support, especially as they typically pay far more than do jobs in the retail and service industries, But if you're looking to make a meaningful increase in the number of jobs available to U.S. workers, bringing back coal jobs isn't going to do it.

Of course, part of the fixation on coal is because mining has always loomed large in the American imagination. There's something mysterious and ennobling about the dangerous endeavor to extract valuable commodities from deep within the earth, something that's missing from, say, used-car sales or ski-lift operation.

There's also a larger economic debate about coal's impact on the economy, given the large role it plays in generating the nation's electricity. But while the industry's impact is large, its payrolls aren't.

The other thing about coal is that unlike retail and other industries, coal is highly concentrated in certain regions. When coal mines shut down, towns go under. National media sends reporters and TV crews to those towns, and the resulting coverage can make coal's impact on national employment levels feel much larger than it actually is.

That national impact is only likely to get smaller, regardless of Trump's actions. Even a quarter-century ago, the coal industry employed only 131,000 people. If Trump were to somehow bring all those jobs back, there'd still be more people employed by the retail shoe sales industry (224,000).

www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-coal-jobs-20170328-sto
ry.html

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Friday, March 31, 2017 9:46 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.
Disgraced former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is asking for an immunity deal. Flynn had a different view of immunity when discussing the Hillary Clinton email investigation on Meet the Press during the campaign season:

“I mean, five people around her have had, have been given immunity, including her former chief of staff,” Flynn told Chuck Todd. “When you are given immunity, that means that you have probably committed a crime.”

www.vox.com/2017/3/30/15132280/michael-flynn-immunity-testify

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I just started a thread about this SECOND. I didn't see you had posted it here first. My bad....

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 6:10 AM

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Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust
https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach
-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community:

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong?

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by SECOND:
Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust
https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach
-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community:

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong?

And here's a real twist for you, Second,

If he does that, he might very well be the first republican candidate to get my vote.

Don't know if you remember liberals, that we used to be? Remember all those protest marches, where we complained and demanded a return of runaway intelligence agencies to civilian control? How we said that they were fighting a third world war of their own? funding drug cartels in Colombia and terrorists in Nicaragua and gun running their own income racket in Mexico and the inner cities?

If the person who fixes that problem is Donald J Trump, than he deserves the credit just as much as Bernie Sanders would if he were the person who did that.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 6:38 PM

Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies.

Russia

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust
https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach
-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community:

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong?

And here's a real twist for you, Second,

If he does that, he might very well be the first republican candidate to get my vote.

Don't know if you remember liberals, that we used to be? Remember all those protest marches, where we complained and demanded a return of runaway intelligence agencies to civilian control? How we said that they were fighting a third world war of their own? funding drug cartels in Colombia and terrorists in Nicaragua and gun running their own income racket in Mexico and the inner cities?

If the person who fixes that problem is Donald J Trump, than he deserves the credit just as much as Bernie Sanders would if he were the person who did that.

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:42 PM

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Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies.

Drain that swamp baby

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Saturday, April 1, 2017 10:44 PM

Okay, Putin has attacked dissidents in his own country, and three outside engagements come to mind: The National Socialist Party of Ukraine, Georgia, and ISIS. Okay, Georgia I can see, but they were very wrong in S. Ossetia...

But if Putin is attacking all of your allies, you have a very strange looking list of allies.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:19 AM

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This Sunday night, "The Simpsons" will air a suspiciously-timed new episode parodying Trump University, the now-defunct for-profit real estate college.

The episode will feature "Burns University," a for profit college established by evil businessman Montgomery Burns. www.imdb.com/title/tt6012540/

As it happens, the episode will air just two days after the judge granted final approval for a $25 million settlement of three class action lawsuits brought against Trump by former Trump University students. Approximately 3,370 former students alleged that the university had cheated them by use of high pressure sales techniques and outright lies about what they would get out of their time at Trump University.

Trump consistently denied all charges and insisted he would fight them until the lawsuit was defeated. However, Trump abruptly agreed to the $25 million settlement.

The judge, Gonzalo P. Curiel, in San Diego, issued his order after considering a challenge from Sherri Simpson, a former Trump University student from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., whose lawyers say she should have had a chance to opt out of the class-action settlement and individually sue President Trump, perhaps forcing a trial.

The civil settlement was not enough for Ms. Simpson (if only her name was Lisa Simpson, it would have been a real life perfect parody of a Simpsons parody ) who wanted to see Mr. Trump tried on criminal racketeering charges. She also wanted an apology.

But Judge Curiel sided with Trump’s lawyers to take the money and not have a criminal trial or an apology from Trump.

Trump tweeted he “did not have the time to go through a long but winning trial on Trump U.”

In an interview earlier this week, Ms. Simpson said “For him to go out there and say, well, ‘I didn’t do anything wrong,’ it’s disgusting,” she said. “I want an apology.”

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/us/trump-university-settlement.html

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:22 AM

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Trump as a real life parody of Grandpa Simpson:

Trump Held An Executive Order Signing Ceremony, Then Walked Away Without Signing Anything.
"So, he didn't sign them?" one puzzled reporter asked.

"Thank you everybody," Trump said, speaking from the podium. "You're going to be seeing some very, very strong results very, very quickly. Thank you very much." Trump was in no mood to answer questions and bolted for the door. No signature. Was Trump too busy to sit in his chair and sign a paper? Or did questions make him uncomfortable? Or maybe Trump forgot the purpose of the meeting in the Oval Office? Maybe Trump is like Grandpa Simpson who has walked into a room and said, “Why am I here? Is it time to eat? Where are my pills?”

See the pictures of Trump's confusion at
www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/trump-held-an-executive-order-signi
ng-ceremony-then-walked

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:38 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies.

Drain that swamp baby

Clueless baby, you are clueless

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:42 AM

Entertaining version of reality you've got there.

What really happened:

Quote:

Originally post by CNN

(CNN)President Donald Trump walked out of an executive order signing ceremony Friday -- without actually signing the orders.

During the signing ceremony, White House pool reporters asked Trump questions about his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who has offered to testify on Russian involvement in the US election in return for immunity from prosecution.
The President ignored the questions and moved to another room, only to be followed by Vice President Mike Pence, who picked up the folders containing the two executive orders.

Trump later signed the pair of orders aimed at identifying and targeting foreign trade abuses, according to the White House, but behind closed doors.
One order commissions a 90-day study of US trade deficits with some of its largest trading partners to identify potential trade abuses and cheating. The second directive orders stricter and more effective enforcement of US anti-dumping laws to prevent foreign manufacturers from undercutting US companies by selling goods at an unfair price.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-presidency/index.h
tml

Curiously, the text of CNN's article conflicts with their headline. He signed the orders in the adjoining room where no one was pelting him with questions about Flynn and Russia.

Text of the president's comments to the press:

Quote:
THE PRESIDENT: During the campaign, I traveled the nation and visited the cities and towns devastated by unfair trade policies, probably one of the major reasons I'm here today -- trade. Nobody has ever made bad trade deals like our country has made.

I saw the shuttered factories and spent time with the laid-off factory workers. I heard their stories, and I promised action and I promised them a solution. And all over America, you're already seeing solutions start to take place. Take a look at what's going on Michigan, with Ford and General Motors and Fiat-Chrysler, and so many more.

The jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country. Year after year, decade after decade, trade deficit upon trade deficit -- reaching more than $700 billion last year alone, and lots of jobs. Thousands of factories have been stolen from our country. But these voiceless Americans now have a voice in the White House. Under my administration, the theft of American prosperity will end. We're going to defend our industry and create a level playing field for the American worker -- finally.

Today, I am signing two executive orders that send this message loud and clear and that set the stage for a great revival of American manufacturing. And you saw that today; you saw what happened, you saw the kind of numbers we have. The survey actually showed 93 percent of manufacturers are now optimistic about the future -- a record high -- and that's up from about 56 percent just a couple of months ago. We're going to build on that tremendous momentum. We're bringing manufacturing and jobs back to our country.

First, I'm signing an executive order to ensure that we fully collect all duties imposed on foreign importers that cheat. They're cheaters. From now on, those who break the rules will face the consequences -- and they'll be very severe consequences.

Second, I am ordering the first-ever comprehensive review of America’s trade deficits and all violations of trade rules that harm the United States and the workers of the United States, just as I promised during my campaign. This review will be led by Secretary Wilbur Ross, who is joining us here today.

More:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/remarks-presiden
t-trump-et-al-signing-trade-executive-orders

And that was the presses take away? Nothing about manufacturing jobs. Nope. President move to adjoining room.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Okay, Putin has attacked dissidents in his own country, and three outside engagements come to mind: The National Socialist Party of Ukraine, Georgia, and ISIS. Okay, Georgia I can see, but they were very wrong in S. Ossetia...

But if Putin is attacking all of your allies, you have a very strange looking list of allies.

To stupid to address directly. So I'll answer you this way. You SIG and 1kiki along with your pet Jack, can twist shit all you want. Russia sucks and is little more than a gas station for Europe. They are a country full of people who need someone to lead them around by the nose, because they are to weak to think and act for themselves. In other words, a bunch of losers. Their fearless leader has the world looking at Russia as though it was a parasite. A country who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return.

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SIG says I'm a deep state troll.

oh my.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:00 AM

It's funny watching you guys scramble to change and spin the facts. Except for the drunk, you are considered to be liars by the other posters here. What really happened is what's being reported in the news. What you post can never be trusted. It's to easy to change a word here and a word there.

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Entertaining version of reality you've got there.

What really happened:

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Originally post by CNN

(CNN)President Donald Trump walked out of an executive order signing ceremony Friday -- without actually signing the orders.

During the signing ceremony, White House pool reporters asked Trump questions about his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who has offered to testify on Russian involvement in the US election in return for immunity from prosecution.
The President ignored the questions and moved to another room, only to be followed by Vice President Mike Pence, who picked up the folders containing the two executive orders.

Trump later signed the pair of orders aimed at identifying and targeting foreign trade abuses, according to the White House, but behind closed doors.
One order commissions a 90-day study of US trade deficits with some of its largest trading partners to identify potential trade abuses and cheating. The second directive orders stricter and more effective enforcement of US anti-dumping laws to prevent foreign manufacturers from undercutting US companies by selling goods at an unfair price.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-presidency/index.h
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Curiously, the text of CNN's article conflicts with their headline. He signed the orders in the adjoining room where no one was pelting him with questions about Flynn and Russia.

Text of the president's comments to the press:
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THE PRESIDENT: During the campaign, I traveled the nation and visited the cities and towns devastated by unfair trade policies, probably one of the major reasons I'm here today -- trade. Nobody has ever made bad trade deals like our country has made.

I saw the shuttered factories and spent time with the laid-off factory workers. I heard their stories, and I promised action and I promised them a solution. And all over America, you're already seeing solutions start to take place. Take a look at what's going on Michigan, with Ford and General Motors and Fiat-Chrysler, and so many more.

The jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country. Year after year, decade after decade, trade deficit upon trade deficit -- reaching more than $700 billion last year alone, and lots of jobs. Thousands of factories have been stolen from our country. But these voiceless Americans now have a voice in the White House. Under my administration, the theft of American prosperity will end. We're going to defend our industry and create a level playing field for the American worker -- finally.

Today, I am signing two executive orders that send this message loud and clear and that set the stage for a great revival of American manufacturing. And you saw that today; you saw what happened, you saw the kind of numbers we have. The survey actually showed 93 percent of manufacturers are now optimistic about the future -- a record high -- and that's up from about 56 percent just a couple of months ago. We're going to build on that tremendous momentum. We're bringing manufacturing and jobs back to our country.

First, I'm signing an executive order to ensure that we fully collect all duties imposed on foreign importers that cheat. They're cheaters. From now on, those who break the rules will face the consequences -- and they'll be very severe consequences.

Second, I am ordering the first-ever comprehensive review of America’s trade deficits and all violations of trade rules that harm the United States and the workers of the United States, just as I promised during my campaign. This review will be led by Secretary Wilbur Ross, who is joining us here today.

More:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/remarks-presiden
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And that was the presses take away? Nothing about manufacturing jobs. Nope. President move to adjoining room.

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:51 AM

In other words, you got nothin'

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Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:58 AM