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Is Trump Nuts?
Monday, March 27, 2017 6:53 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, March 27, 2017 9:28 AM
6STRINGJOKER
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Quote:Originally posted by second: . . . in the past two months we've had a botched raid in Yemen; two attacks in Syria with heavy civilian casualties; and now an airstrike in Mosul that left hundreds of civilians dead. It's fair to wonder if a guy whose idea of military strategy is to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" has also decided that he doesn't much care about civilian casualties while he's doing it. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/mosul-yet-another-botched-operation Don't stop your research after only two months Second. Go all the way back from now to 2004 and let me know what you turn up. “There’s a playbook in Washington that presidents are supposed to follow that comes out of the foreign-policy establishment,” Obama said. “The playbook prescribes responses to different events, and these responses tend to be militarized. Where America is directly threatened, the playbook works. But the playbook can also be a trap that can lead to bad decisions.” I’ll be sad to see that attitude gone from the White House.
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Quote:Originally posted by second: . . . in the past two months we've had a botched raid in Yemen; two attacks in Syria with heavy civilian casualties; and now an airstrike in Mosul that left hundreds of civilians dead. It's fair to wonder if a guy whose idea of military strategy is to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" has also decided that he doesn't much care about civilian casualties while he's doing it. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/mosul-yet-another-botched-operation Don't stop your research after only two months Second. Go all the way back from now to 2004 and let me know what you turn up.
Quote:Originally posted by second: . . . in the past two months we've had a botched raid in Yemen; two attacks in Syria with heavy civilian casualties; and now an airstrike in Mosul that left hundreds of civilians dead. It's fair to wonder if a guy whose idea of military strategy is to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" has also decided that he doesn't much care about civilian casualties while he's doing it. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/mosul-yet-another-botched-operation
Monday, March 27, 2017 10:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second. So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.
Monday, March 27, 2017 12:42 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars ...
Monday, March 27, 2017 1:57 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by G: I was watching them try and impeach gwb - maybe you forgot they actually tried, that it wasn't just you?
Quote: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/30/george-w-bush-impeach-congress-iraq-ask-usa-today/22623773/ Republicans' vote to impeach helped boost Clinton's approval rating to an astronomical 73% in December 1998, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup poll (by comparison, President Obama is lucky to get 50% these days). At the same time, public approval of Republicans fell to an abysmal 31%. When Democrats started talking about impeaching President George W. Bush for supposedly lying about the reason for the 2003 invasion of Iraq – weapons of mass destruction that were never found – the lessons of the Clinton impeachment were still fresh. Democratic leaders wanted nothing to do with it.
Monday, March 27, 2017 2:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Is Trump Nuts? Every time I read the title Is Trump Nuts?, the first thing that pops into my head is - do I care? And the answer always is - No. Not until such time as it looks like he's driving the car into WWIII.
Quote:Originally posted by G: Says Kiki thinking only of herself as usual.
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Well, and everyone else and the rest of the entire planet that could be ashed and radiated to death, or perish in a nuclear winter. Did those minor concerns that are - may I point out - NOT about me - escape your notice?
Monday, March 27, 2017 2:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Out of all rich countries in the world, the USA has the worst distribution of wealth.
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Is he jonesing for WWIII like 'Hillary and the neocons'™? No. Good. Everything else is fixable later on. BTW, Hillary never made improving the economy and jobs part of her platform. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/22/hillary-clintons-top-10-campaign-promises/
Monday, March 27, 2017 2:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: You are doing a variation on the ancient antiwar slogan “Better Red Than Dead”
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Better anything than dead - not as hyperbole, but as reality. 'Hillary and the neocons™' reckless war-mongering, and intention to ceaselessly provoke Russia - with no apparent aim or end - is what was truly insane.
Monday, March 27, 2017 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: The path to hell is paved with good intentions Second. So what you're telling me is that it was okay that Obama did the exact same thing for 8 years because he was a better public speaker than Trump is.You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars, was standing in the way of all those people who routinely demand that dropping more tons of bombs and firing more cruise missiles is the first and best answer to every problem. On the other hand, Trump wants to "bomb the shit" out of terrorism. Remember when Trump sent a mission to Yemen? Trump doesn't do detailed plans as Commander-in-Chief. With him, it is improvise all the way, all the time. www.npr.org/2017/02/10/514378178/fact-check-trumps-yemen-raid-winning-mission-or-failure-its-not-so-simple The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, March 27, 2017 6:54 PM
Quote:The House voted 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary Committee on June 11, where no further action was taken on it.
Monday, March 27, 2017 7:01 PM
Quote:I SAID YOU WERE A DUMBSH*T FOR BELIEVING THE FAKE NEWS ABOUT HILLARY.
Monday, March 27, 2017 8:50 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Automation increases what a worker can do. If a company has 100 workers, and automating some drudgery in the work place enables the company to do twice as much, only a relatively unimaginative company would selection reducing the staff to 50 as the only viable option. If you can't think of anything else for your workers to do, you probably shouldn't be in business, and with 300,000 corporations competing in America, pretty soon, you probably won't be.
Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: You're showing a little too much bias. What I am saying is that Obama, with his high interest in the itty-bitty details of whatever the Pentagon was plotting in its wars ... So basically what you're saying is that there are people in positions of authority .... in this case, the Pentagon .... who are plotting things that go against the President's plans? I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that such a thing would happen!
Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:43 PM
Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:47 PM
Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: That's just a lot of negative spin by Trump haters Second. I like how he handled that.
Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:19 PM
DREAMTROVE
Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:22 PM
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:37 AM
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 8:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Is SECOND nuts? Is GSTRING nuts? Is JO nuts?
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:54 AM
THGRRI
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:20 AM
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 10:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, your collective constant and obsessing over everything Trump - big or inconsequential, real or imagined, does indicate an imbalanced mental state. I kind of went back to MY least favorite GOP President, who was without a doubt Cheney ....er, I mean Bush .... and although I hated that man with a passion and reviled just about everything that he did and loathed all of his neocon/ Zionist appointees, I sure wasn't "on" him for the stupid things you're grinding on and on about Trump. Especially that "Russia" thing! I mean .... really??? You have to be pretty stupid to be taken in by that one! Blame the guy for the wrong that he does, sure. But give credit where credit is due, and for gods' sake stop obsessing over stuff that isn't even real. ----------- "Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL
Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: I'm pretty sure that was an epic win for Trump, and I feel as if you're just confirming that, Second.Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family. There will be other deals we will never know about: A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party. The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel. If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy. News of the negotiations surfaced as President Trump and the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, were preparing for their first meeting, to be held next month. www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/nyregion/kushner-companies-anbang-insurance-group.html?_r=0 It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe? The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, March 30, 2017 4:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel?
Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family.
Quote:A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party.
Quote:The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel. If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy.
Quote:It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe?
Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Is SECOND SIGNYM nuts?
Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: What does that have to do with Trump spanking Merkel? Trump will spank nobody. The hundreds of billions of dollars he demanded from Germany for protecting it from Russia? He will get nothing from Merkel. He is that worthless, only good at enriching his family using his corrupt connections to China. China is bankrolling his son-in-law, if you didn't notice. Trump's other promises? Worthless. Maybe the GOP will keep Trump's promises if the promises serve the party, but Trump won't because what is in it for him? He won't get paid extra for making anything happen. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/face-corn-boycott-trump-decides-nafta-not-so-bad-after-all Maybe Trump was just blathering all along and never really had any intention of getting tough with Mexico. In the end, he'll build a few more miles of fencing, make a few modest changes to NAFTA, and then call it the greatest boon to the working man since the Wagner Act. I've also read a few pieces recently about China, and apparently all those Goldman Sachs folks he hired have talked Trump into backing down on a trade war there too. I guess Goldman Sachs has to be good for something. Anyway, having given up on Mexico and China, now Trump is going after the ultra-conservatives of the House Freedom Caucus: Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweets: The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018! 6:07 AM - 30 Mar 2017 I'll bet the Caucus is scared shitless. Trump is demonstrating that his talk may be big, but he can't make it stick. In his first two months, he's failed on his immigration order and his health care plan, has no chance of building his wall, and has backed down on Mexico and China. His bark is unquestionably worse than his bite.
Friday, March 31, 2017 6:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Quote:Originally posted by second: Epic win that is already paying dividends to the Trump Family. Let's hope so. That running for president stuff is expensive, and captain hairpiece and his cadet flirtsalot are both on no salary Quote:A New York real estate company owned by the family of President Trump’s son-in-law has been negotiating to sell a $400 million stake in its Fifth Avenue flagship skyscraper to a Chinese insurance company with ties to leading families of the Communist Party. Oh look, I found the jew. Quote:The Chinese company, Anbang Insurance Group, would pay to get a high-profile piece of Manhattan real estate and would commit to spending billions more to completely transform the 60-year-old tower into a chic condominium and retail citadel. If signed, the potential agreement would create a financial marriage of two politically powerful families in the world’s two biggest economies, but it would also present the possibility of glaring conflicts of interest. The Kushner family, owners of the tower, would reap a financial windfall courtesy of a Chinese company, even as Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Mr. Trump as well as his son-in-law, helps oversee American foreign policy. He should keep his eye on his last marriage before it spends too much quality time with Justin Trudeau Quote:It could bring financial harmony at the top level of both superpowers. Perhaps this is how Firefly's corrupt Chinese/American Alliance began its rule of the Universe? It's been going for many years.
Friday, March 31, 2017 6:08 AM
Friday, March 31, 2017 6:13 AM
Friday, March 31, 2017 6:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.
Friday, March 31, 2017 7:03 AM
Friday, March 31, 2017 7:54 AM
Friday, March 31, 2017 9:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Leave no stone unturned Second. I'm sure you'll come up with something.Disgraced former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is asking for an immunity deal. Flynn had a different view of immunity when discussing the Hillary Clinton email investigation on Meet the Press during the campaign season: “I mean, five people around her have had, have been given immunity, including her former chief of staff,” Flynn told Chuck Todd. “When you are given immunity, that means that you have probably committed a crime.” www.vox.com/2017/3/30/15132280/michael-flynn-immunity-testify The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, April 1, 2017 6:10 AM
Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community: Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals. Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong?
Saturday, April 1, 2017 6:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Trump's approach to intel agencies shows his anxiety, his distrust https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump%27s-approach-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust Here's a tidbit from the AP about how President Trump might "seize the reins" of the intelligence community: Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals. Trump seems like the kind of guy who could do his own analysis of raw intelligence. They should give it a try. What could go wrong? And here's a real twist for you, Second, If he does that, he might very well be the first republican candidate to get my vote. Don't know if you remember liberals, that we used to be? Remember all those protest marches, where we complained and demanded a return of runaway intelligence agencies to civilian control? How we said that they were fighting a third world war of their own? funding drug cartels in Colombia and terrorists in Nicaragua and gun running their own income racket in Mexico and the inner cities? If the person who fixes that problem is Donald J Trump, than he deserves the credit just as much as Bernie Sanders would if he were the person who did that.
Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies.
Saturday, April 1, 2017 10:44 PM
Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:19 AM
Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:22 AM
Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER: Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: Oh bullshit. He has been working to undermine everything we stand for. All our democratic institutions. Judicial, the house and senate, the media, take your pick. He has also attacked all our allies. Drain that swamp baby
Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:42 AM
Quote: Originally post by CNN (CNN)President Donald Trump walked out of an executive order signing ceremony Friday -- without actually signing the orders. During the signing ceremony, White House pool reporters asked Trump questions about his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who has offered to testify on Russian involvement in the US election in return for immunity from prosecution. The President ignored the questions and moved to another room, only to be followed by Vice President Mike Pence, who picked up the folders containing the two executive orders. Trump later signed the pair of orders aimed at identifying and targeting foreign trade abuses, according to the White House, but behind closed doors. One order commissions a 90-day study of US trade deficits with some of its largest trading partners to identify potential trade abuses and cheating. The second directive orders stricter and more effective enforcement of US anti-dumping laws to prevent foreign manufacturers from undercutting US companies by selling goods at an unfair price. CNN's Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-presidency/index.html
Quote: THE PRESIDENT: During the campaign, I traveled the nation and visited the cities and towns devastated by unfair trade policies, probably one of the major reasons I'm here today -- trade. Nobody has ever made bad trade deals like our country has made. I saw the shuttered factories and spent time with the laid-off factory workers. I heard their stories, and I promised action and I promised them a solution. And all over America, you're already seeing solutions start to take place. Take a look at what's going on Michigan, with Ford and General Motors and Fiat-Chrysler, and so many more. The jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country. Year after year, decade after decade, trade deficit upon trade deficit -- reaching more than $700 billion last year alone, and lots of jobs. Thousands of factories have been stolen from our country. But these voiceless Americans now have a voice in the White House. Under my administration, the theft of American prosperity will end. We're going to defend our industry and create a level playing field for the American worker -- finally. Today, I am signing two executive orders that send this message loud and clear and that set the stage for a great revival of American manufacturing. And you saw that today; you saw what happened, you saw the kind of numbers we have. The survey actually showed 93 percent of manufacturers are now optimistic about the future -- a record high -- and that's up from about 56 percent just a couple of months ago. We're going to build on that tremendous momentum. We're bringing manufacturing and jobs back to our country. First, I'm signing an executive order to ensure that we fully collect all duties imposed on foreign importers that cheat. They're cheaters. From now on, those who break the rules will face the consequences -- and they'll be very severe consequences. Second, I am ordering the first-ever comprehensive review of America’s trade deficits and all violations of trade rules that harm the United States and the workers of the United States, just as I promised during my campaign. This review will be led by Secretary Wilbur Ross, who is joining us here today. More: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/remarks-president-trump-et-al-signing-trade-executive-orders
Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Okay, Putin has attacked dissidents in his own country, and three outside engagements come to mind: The National Socialist Party of Ukraine, Georgia, and ISIS. Okay, Georgia I can see, but they were very wrong in S. Ossetia... But if Putin is attacking all of your allies, you have a very strange looking list of allies.
Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Entertaining version of reality you've got there. What really happened: Quote: Originally post by CNN (CNN)President Donald Trump walked out of an executive order signing ceremony Friday -- without actually signing the orders. During the signing ceremony, White House pool reporters asked Trump questions about his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who has offered to testify on Russian involvement in the US election in return for immunity from prosecution. The President ignored the questions and moved to another room, only to be followed by Vice President Mike Pence, who picked up the folders containing the two executive orders. Trump later signed the pair of orders aimed at identifying and targeting foreign trade abuses, according to the White House, but behind closed doors. One order commissions a 90-day study of US trade deficits with some of its largest trading partners to identify potential trade abuses and cheating. The second directive orders stricter and more effective enforcement of US anti-dumping laws to prevent foreign manufacturers from undercutting US companies by selling goods at an unfair price. CNN's Jeremy Diamond contributed to this report. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-presidency/index.html Curiously, the text of CNN's article conflicts with their headline. He signed the orders in the adjoining room where no one was pelting him with questions about Flynn and Russia. Text of the president's comments to the press: Quote: THE PRESIDENT: During the campaign, I traveled the nation and visited the cities and towns devastated by unfair trade policies, probably one of the major reasons I'm here today -- trade. Nobody has ever made bad trade deals like our country has made. I saw the shuttered factories and spent time with the laid-off factory workers. I heard their stories, and I promised action and I promised them a solution. And all over America, you're already seeing solutions start to take place. Take a look at what's going on Michigan, with Ford and General Motors and Fiat-Chrysler, and so many more. The jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country. Year after year, decade after decade, trade deficit upon trade deficit -- reaching more than $700 billion last year alone, and lots of jobs. Thousands of factories have been stolen from our country. But these voiceless Americans now have a voice in the White House. Under my administration, the theft of American prosperity will end. We're going to defend our industry and create a level playing field for the American worker -- finally. Today, I am signing two executive orders that send this message loud and clear and that set the stage for a great revival of American manufacturing. And you saw that today; you saw what happened, you saw the kind of numbers we have. The survey actually showed 93 percent of manufacturers are now optimistic about the future -- a record high -- and that's up from about 56 percent just a couple of months ago. We're going to build on that tremendous momentum. We're bringing manufacturing and jobs back to our country. First, I'm signing an executive order to ensure that we fully collect all duties imposed on foreign importers that cheat. They're cheaters. From now on, those who break the rules will face the consequences -- and they'll be very severe consequences. Second, I am ordering the first-ever comprehensive review of America’s trade deficits and all violations of trade rules that harm the United States and the workers of the United States, just as I promised during my campaign. This review will be led by Secretary Wilbur Ross, who is joining us here today. More: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/31/remarks-president-trump-et-al-signing-trade-executive-orders And that was the presses take away? Nothing about manufacturing jobs. Nope. President move to adjoining room.
Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:51 AM
Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: In other words, you got nothin'
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