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The left, at the time, was horrified by the incivility.

Today, I see that nothing has changed except the sides.

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Chief Justice Roberts, President Carter, President Clinton, President bush, President Obama, fellow Americans, and people of the world, thank you. We the citizens of America are now joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country and restore its promise for all of our people. Together we will determine the course of America, and the world, for many, many years to come. We will face challenges. We will confront hardships, but we will get the job done. Every four years, we gather on these steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. They have been magnificent. Thank you.

Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning, because today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you, the people. For too long, a small group in our nation's capitol has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth. Politicians prospered, but the jobs left, and the factories closed. The establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. Their victories have not been your victories. Their triumphs have not been your triumphs, and while they celebrated in our nation's capitol, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.

That all changed starting right here and right now, because this moment is your moment. It belongs to you. It belongs to everyone gathered here today, and everyone watching, all across America. This is your day. This is your celebration, and this, the United States of America, is your country.

What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th, 2017 will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. Everyone is listening to you now. You came by the tens of millions to become part of a historic movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before.

At the center of this movement is a crucial conviction, that a nation exists to serve its citizens. Americans want great schools for their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves. These are just and reasonable demands of righteous people and a righteous public, but for too many of our citizens a different reality exists. Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities, rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation, an education system flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge, and the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.

We are one nation, and their pain is our pain. Their dreams are our dreams, and their success will be our success. We share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny. The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans. For many decades, we've enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry, subsidized the armies of other countries, while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military. We've defended other nations' borders while refusing to defend our own. And spent trillions and trillions of dollars overseas while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay. We've made other countries rich while the wealth, strength and confidence of our country has dissipated over the horizon. One by one, the factories shuddered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions and millions of American workers that were left behind. The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world, but that is the past, and now we are looking only to the future.

We are assembled here today issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power, from this day forward, a new vision will govern our land, from this day forward, it's going to be only America first. America first. Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families. We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs. Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength. I will fight for you with every breath in my body, and I will never, ever let you down. America will start winning again, winning like never before.We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders.

We will bring back our wealth, and we will bring back our dreams. We will build new roads and highways and bridges and airports and tunnels, and railways, all across our wonderful nation. We will get our people off of welfare and back to work, rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor. We will follow two simple rules -- buy American, and hire American.

We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world, but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put

their own interests first. We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example, we will shine for everyone to follow. We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones, and you night the civilized world against radical islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth. At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.

The bible tells us, how good and pleasant it is when god's people live together in unity. We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity. When America is united, America is totally unstoppable. There should be no fear. We are protected, and we will always be protected. We will be protected by the great men and women of our military and law enforcement. And most importantly, we will be protected by god.

Finally, we must think big and dream even bigger. In America, we understand that a nation is only living as long as it is striving. We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action, constantly complaining but never doing anything about it.The time for empty talk is over. Now arrives the hour of action. Do not allow anyone to tell you that it cannot be done. No challenge can match the heart and fight and spirit of America.

We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again. We stand at the birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the Earth from the miseries of disease, and to harness the ies industries and technologies of tomorrow. New national pride will stir our souls, lift our sights, and heal our divisions. It's time to remember that old wisdom our soldiers will never forget, that whether we are black, or brown, or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots. We all enjoy the same glorious freedoms, and we all salute the same great American flag.

And whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept plains of Nebraska, they look up at the same night sky, they fill their heart with the same dreams, and they are infused with the breath of life by the same almighty creator. So to all Americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from mountain to mountain, from ocean to ocean, hear these words. You will never be ignored again. Your voice, your hopes, and your dreams will define our American destiny, and your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.

Together, we will make America strong again. We will make America wealthy again. We will make America proud when it. We will make America safe again, and yes, together we will make America great again. Thank you. God bless you. And god bless America. Thank you.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
For some of you, this is probably the first time you have actually listened to more than the 2-second snippets of Trump that the biased media has broadcast.

For some of you, you STILL haven't actually listened to the man you hate so much ... which is of course just your fact-free way of forming your opinions (or, more likely, having them formed for you).

To, the message was clear: America first. WHY are we worried about Poland and Germany? WHY do we represent Saudi Arabia's interests in the Mideast? WHY have we allowed China to become wealthy while sucking us dry of jobs? WHY do we continue to provoke and antagonize Russia? WHY are we so worried about poor illegal and potential immigrants when we have poor citizens at home?

In other words: What are America's interests? Not other nations' interests conflated with ours, but OUR interests? http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60986 I'm going to start answering that question in the other thread ... I have held off on posting much of anything there in the hopes that SOMEBODY would step forward and post something, but apparently the topic is anathema to those who profess to be so worried about "America" in the first place.



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In other words: What are America's interests? Not other nations' interests conflated with ours, but OUR interests? ... I have held off on posting much of anything there in the hopes that SOMEBODY would step forward and post something, but apparently the topic is anathema to those who profess to be so worried about "America" in the first place.

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The unprecedented economic conflicts of this administration need to be visible to the American people, including any pertinent documentation which can reveal the foreign influences and financial interests which may put Donald Trump in conflict with the emoluments clause of the Constitution.

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... The best example of this, so far, is an article penned this morning by Gabor Steingart, chief in chief of Handelsblatt, Germany's leading economic newspaper, who burned all compromise bridges when he said that "that was no presidential speech; that was a veritable declaration of war."

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The savage criticism continued: "Threatening in tone. Cold and calculating in logic. Change minus the hope. Donald Trump used the traditional Inauguration Day address to settle a score with the U.S. political establishment going back decades. With four ex-presidents sitting a few feet behind him, the 45th president delivered a populist manifesto."

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For many decades, we've enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry; subsidized the armies of other countries, while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military. We've defended other nations' borders while refusing to defend our own. ... And spent trillions and trillions of dollars overseas while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay. We've made other countries rich, while the wealth, strength and confidence of our country has dissipated over the horizon.

One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions and millions of American workers that were left behind. The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.

But that is the past. And now, we are looking only to the future. We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power. From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land. From this day forward, it's going to be only America first, America first.

Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families. We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies and destroying our jobs.

We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world, but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first. We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone but rather to let it shine as an example. We will shine for everyone to follow.

We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones and unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate from the face of the Earth.

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only 2? [nations reacting badly to Trump] You are fooling yourself. Easier to name the countries not reacting badly - Russia, North Korea and the Philippines, Taiwan. Most other nations are gritting their teeth and are in damage control for 4 years- MAGONS

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It's as if you didn't read a single post in this thread.

It's like that even when she reads them. It's almost like there are no other people on this forum.

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Originally posted by second:
...and the strong economy Obama left him raises the bar further still.

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...and the strong economy Obama left him raises the bar further still.

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Now I'm convinced that the Mandela Effect is real and that you and I are living in two parallel universes and the RWED is where they overlap.

We're living in the US's slowest rate of growth since the Great Depression. More people in America are unemployed or under employed than at any other time in American history. More people are on food stamps than at any other time in American history. The national debt is twice what it was 8 years ago and 4 times what it was 16 years ago. American's personal debts are higher than they ever were. home ownership among young adults is at an all time low.

I could go on...

I'm just wondering what about this is a "strong economy" to you?

I realize that you're making so much money that you're going to save $100,000 in taxes come next April, but you need to step outside of your cozy little bubble and look at the rest of us.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:But both the political administrations and the business community have figured out how to phony that number up, because all it takes for someone to be considered as "employed" is one hour per month of work. In addition, if you're discouraged about seeking work and choose to spend your time in school or your mom's basement, you aren't counted either.

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Originally posted by second:
Do you think that fat fraud Trump is going to get you a job? You’re going to have to get off your couch and get your own job.

If you can’t find a job, then you’re living in the wrong place. Leave it for work elsewhere. Trump will not be reopening the local mine. If you’re watching daytime TV, turn it off and go outside. You were bragging about how your class notes for PLCs (for everybody, that is Programmable Logic Controllers) were the very best. What did you do with that knowledge? Nothing?

Who will hire you if they never see you? Who is going to hire you if you don’t know anything? Over the next decade, nearly 3½ million manufacturing jobs will likely be needed, and 2 million are expected to go unfilled due to the skills gap. Moreover, according to a recent report, 80 percent of manufacturers report a moderate or serious shortage of qualified applicants for skilled and highly-skilled production positions. (Source: Deloitte and the Manufacturing Institute)
www.nam.org/Newsroom/Top-20-Facts-About-Manufacturing/

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

All it takes to not be counted on the Unemployment numbers is to not be actively filing a weekly or bi-weekly unemployment report. I don't know anybody who actually fills this out anymore after the unemployment payments stop after 6 months (or longer if unemployment is over a certain amount in your state).

As far as I know, it's always been this way. The official unemployment statistic is strictly based off of the percentage of people in the state/country that are filing weekly unemployment claims.

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Originally posted by second:You know when you are employed, 6ix. Start counting the days until that fat fraud Trump gets you a job. Report back to us the number and the pay-rate.

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You "skip over mine" because I call you out for lying.

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BTW, never did get an answer to this flaming declaration

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3rd time: Wow - who did that?

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Originally posted by second:You know when you are employed, 6ix. Start counting the days until that fat fraud Trump gets you a job. Report back to us the number and the pay-rate.

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I find it ironic that the regressive left constantly tries to push agendas to stop bullying and limit free speech, but when they don't get their way they have no problem calling people fat.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

If you would please tell me where you get the idea that Obama is leaving office with a "Strong Economy" I would appreciate it. I'm not going to ask a 4th time and just assume that you made it up if you do not have an actual reply this time.

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For some people, a day of happiness and for others a day of dread. Some media people openly speculating on/ wishing for an assassination.

Obama's inauguration was marred by people who called him a Muslim, a Kenyan, a socialist, and (quietly) an ape, and his Administration (after the first two years, after he had carte blanche) marred by obstructionism from the GOP. The left, at the time, was horrified by the incivility.

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You got me confused with liberals. I am a gun-toting Texas Democrat. You cross me and I will hurt you. I voted for Hillary because Trump is a fat fraud, a noxious species that is common along the Gulf Coast.

The Wall Street Journal (owned by Rupert Murdoch who also owns Fox, which cancelled Firefly) has a video that says Trump inherited a "Strong Economy" and fat fraud Trump has 100 days to find 6ixStringJack a job or else Trump (or 6ix) is a failure. Friday was Day 1. Saturday is Day 2.

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Where did we see anything at the Obama inauguration as you describe ? " Marred " ? If anything, it was a near religious experience for most of the Media, and was universally reported as such.- RAPPY

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Trump Administration Goes To War With The Media Over Inauguration Crowd Size - - SECOND

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Part of your problem right there is paying any attention to the WSJ. What is a gun toting Republican reading a fake news rag like that for anyhow?

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That is getting rather insulting, Second.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't care if you insult Trump. I'm not his mother.

I'd appreciate it if you kept me out of that though. It sure comes off as if your insulting me personally.

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One of the thing is I would like to see about the Inauguration speech is some sort of intelligent analysis.

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My thinking on Trump is that it's less important to hear what he says, and more important to watch what he does.

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It's as if you didn't read a single post in this thread.

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How very Trumpian of you - just ignore anything you don't like.

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Now why don't you present us with a bunch more of your "alternative facts?"

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Alibaba founder Jack Ma has a brutal theory of how America went wrong over the past 30 years

..." American international companies made millions and millions of dollars from globalisation," Ma said. ... "IBM, Microsoft," he added, "the profit they made was larger than the top four banks in China put together ... But where did the money go?"

Ma said that 30 years ago the American companies that people in China heard about were Ford and Boeing. Today the companies that people in China talk about are in Silicon Valley and on Wall Street.

At the same time, the US spent a lot of money on foreign conflicts. "In the past 30 years, America had 13 wars spending $14.2 trillion ... no matter how good your strategy is you're supposed to spend money on your own people," Ma said. "The money goes to Wall Street. Then what happened? Year 2008 wiped out $19.2 trillion in US income ... What if the money was spent on the Midwest of the United States? ... The other countries steal jobs from you guys — that is your strategy. You did not distribute the money in the proper way." http://www.businessinsider.com/alibaba-jack-ma-davos-america-history-g
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Nobody ‘stealing’ your jobs, you spend too much on wars, Alibaba founder tells US

Over the past thirty years, the Americans had thirteen wars spending 40.2 trillion dollars,” said Ma, speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos. “What if they spent a part of that money on building up the infrastructure, helping the white-collar and the blue-collar workers? No matter how strategically good it is, you’re supposed to spend money on your own people.”

“And the other money which I’m curious about is that when I was young, all I heard about America was Ford and Boeing and those big manufacturing companies. The last 10-20 years, all I heard about is Silicon Valley and Wall Street,” he continued. “And what happened? The year 2008: the financial crisis wiped out 19.2 trillion dollars in the USA alone and destroyed 34 million jobs globally. So what if the spent on Wall Street and the Middle East was spent on the Mid-West of the United States, developing the industry there? That could change a lot.”

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Obama's inauguration was marred by people who called him a Muslim, a Kenyan, a socialist, and (quietly) an ape, and his Administration (after the first two years, after he had carte blanche) marred by obstructionism from the GOP. The left, at the time, was horrified by the incivility.

Today, I see that nothing has changed except the sides.

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America First!

Trump definitely kicked mud on the efforts of the 3 presidents who were in attendance which was bit chill. If he wanted to break from the business as usual mindset he did a great job. Time will tell if that means he has set himself adrift on a political raft built for one.

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If we have spent our money on useful things instead of pointless wars, we would be a lot farther ahead.

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I love when either side says a majority of Americans lost.

The truth is, a majority of American's didn't vote.

They never do....

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I love when either side says a majority of Americans lost.

The truth is, a majority of American's didn't vote.

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Why vote when everyone knew Clinton would win anyway?

People who felt Trump would be a bad president felt secure in dissenting from the Democratic Party to either the right (Gary Johnson) or the left (Jill Stein) because everyone knew Clinton would win anyway.

Almost everyone who had any kind of serious policy doubts about Clinton invested vast time and energy in exploring them, regardless of whether or not they had much more profound doubts about Trump, because everyone knew Clinton would win anyway.

Mainstream journalists spent more time poring over potential access-seeking at Clinton’s undoubtedly life-saving charitable foundation than they did detailing the fact that Trump’s foundation was a potentially criminal fraud that appears to have had no legitimate public benefit.

Everyone knew Clinton would win anyway. So why vote? Trump’s opponents failed to unify around a single compelling alternative. He wasn’t popular on Election Day and he wasn’t popular on Inauguration Day. And he’s not doing anything to try to turn that around.

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