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TRUMP - Just because.....................Naw, I just can't say it!
Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:36 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Quote:Originally posted by second: How Many People Just Voted Themselves Out of Health Care? Trump's choice of Tom Price for Health and Human Services probably means the death of Obamacare. Never mind the supposed replacement; it will be a bust. So here’s the question: how many people just shot themselves in the face? Around 5 1/2 million Trump chumps. It’s likely to be in the ballpark. And it’s pretty awesome. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/how-many-people-just-voted-themselves-out-of-health-care/
Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump is casually floating the idea of revoking citizenship. Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail! 5:55 AM - 29 Nov 2016 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803567993036754944 The Supreme Court has ruled that burning the American flag is protected speech, especially true when the flag burns during the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, Texas. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/491/397.html Good news! TRUMP IS UNLIKELY TO RESUME TORTURE: www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/politics/trump-waterboarding-torture.html The New York Times reports that experts believe the obstacles to resuming waterboarding are probably too difficult to overcome: Federal law, international pressure and resistance from inside the C.I.A. stand in his way. Dozens of prisoners developed persistent psychological problems after enduring torture … In authorizing waterboarding … government lawyers reasoned that there would be no lasting damage to prisoners, a key factor in concluding the tactics did not qualify as torture. That argument would be difficult to make now. www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/world/cia-torture-guantanamo-bay.html Of course, this presumes that Trump cares about those things known as “facts,” “laws” and “arguments.” The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:08 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Swamp meet Hell in a Handbasket!!! SGG
Quote: 37.19 Interested Parties. No member or delegate to Congress, or elected official of the Government of the United States or the Government of the District of Columbia, shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom; provided, however, that this provision shall not be construed as extending to any Person who may be a shareholder or other beneficial owner of any publicly held corporation or other entity, if this Lease is for the general benefit of such corporation or other entity.
Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:39 AM
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Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:05 AM
Thursday, December 1, 2016 7:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: This is gonna be a disaster!
Thursday, December 1, 2016 10:46 AM
Friday, December 2, 2016 2:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: This is gonna be a disaster!Be careful what you say. Bernie warns that Trump will punish dissenters. Bernie believes Trump's latest tweets are a signal to Republican leaders to suppress the vote. For Sanders, it was a question of priorities for the president-elect. “Let’s see, we have massive income and wealth inequality, we have 43 million people living in poverty, we have to deal with climate change, which is threatening the existence of the planet, and he’s talking about three people who might burn the American flag?” the senator asked incredulously. “But,” Sanders added. “There’s a hidden message in that, and that is, Be careful, if you are prepared to dissent.” The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, December 2, 2016 3:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-treasury-choice-steven-mnuchin-vows-to-strip-back-dodd-frank-1480513188 Trump Treasury Choice Steven Mnuchin Vows to ‘Strip Back’ Dodd-Frank Volcker Rule seen as ‘too complicated’ and difficult to interpret, nominee says "WASHINGTON—Donald Trump’s choice for Treasury secretary said Wednesday that he would focus on rolling back parts of the landmark 2010 Dodd-Frank financial overhaul law enacted in the wake of the financial crisis. “The number one problem with Dodd-Frank is that it’s way too complicated and cuts back lending,” hedge-fund manager Steven Mnuchin told CNBC in his first public comments since being tapped by the president-elect to head his economic team. “So we want to strip back parts of Dodd-Frank and that will be the number one priority on the regulatory side,” Mr. Mnuchin said, according to a rush transcript of the interview. President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to dismantle Dodd-Frank, but a full repeal of the financial regulation law is unlikely without 60 votes in the Senate. Instead, the GOP might weaken the law without tearing it up. WSJ's Shelby Holliday reports. Mr. Mnuchin’s comments are consistent with those made by Mr. Trump and other advisers. But they are significant since he himself has said little on publicly about policy matters, and his Wednesday remarks offer a fresh window into his thinking and priorities. Mr. Mnuchin, a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executive, singled out the Volcker Rule provision in the law—named after former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker—which is aimed at trying to stop banks from betting with deposit-insured funds. Goldman and other Wall Street firms have complained that the rule is too opaque and complex. “The number one problem with the Volcker rule is it’s way too complicated and people don’t know how to interpret it,” Mr. Mnuchin said. “So we’re going to look at what do with it, as we are with all of Dodd-Frank.” In the interview, Mr. Mnuchin alluded to his crisis-era foray into the banking industry, when he was part of a group that bought the failed IndyMac Bank from the government. He became chairman of the renamed OneWest Bank in Los Angeles, which eventually was sold to CIT Group Inc. He currently sits on CIT’s board. “We’ve been in the business of regional banking and we understand what it is to make loans,” he said. “That’s the engine of growth to small- and medium-size businesses.” Regional banks in particular have been lobbying for relief from Dodd-Frank." It will be fun to see ASTIGMATISM lie and do her contort and deny and deflect dance concerning this guy. "He's a reformed Banker!" "Banks provide JOBS (for bankers)!"
Friday, December 2, 2016 3:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: For all the stunning revelations we’ve seen about Donald Trump and his global business interests since the election, the larger and more troubling issue is what we don’t know. A magisterial six-byline New York Times investigation found 20 countries around the world where Trump does business, and both the US and foreign governments are already talking about the intermingling of public and private interests. www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/donald-trump-international-business.html But the most important line in the piece by far is an observation that’s not directly tied to any of that excellent reporting from around the world: “The true extent of Mr. Trump’s global financial entanglements is unclear, since he has refused to release his tax returns and has not made public a list of his lenders.” To put it even more plainly: We have absolutely no idea what Trump owns, who his business partners are, who is paying him, or whom he owes money to. Trump’s main line of business in recent years has been licensing the Trump name to various developments, so there is a certain obvious connection between the various buildings in various cities named Trump Tower and the Trump Organization. In general, Trump likes to name things after himself, so as a rule, “if Trump is involved, the thing will be named Trump” has been a pretty good guideline. But obviously Trump is not actually legally required to name everything he’s involved with after himself. And thanks to his failure to do any kind of meaningful financial transparency, the basic reality is we’re not really sure what he owns and we won’t be sure how his family’s investment portfolio shifts over the years. The truly scary thing, in other words, isn’t the conflicts of interest we can see. It’s all the conflicts — and, conceivably, bribes, insider trading, and other illicit activity — that we can’t see. www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/29/13763836/trump-disclosure-conflict-of-interest
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Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:14 AM
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SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Can we move this to a (new) shorter thread? Something that applies to Trump as President-elect, and not Trump the candidate? Because I guarantee you NOBODY is going to look at the previous 26 pages ... or even the previous five posts (especially yours, SECOND) no matter HOW blistering you think they are! - SIGNY Awww, she's mad.- GSTRING
Quote:And funny wrong as usual.-GSTRING
Quote:I read every one of second's posts. I look forward to every one of second's posts. You would learn a lot if you did the same.- GSTTRING
Quote:Why move a thread? Click the thread title, go to the last page - easy even for you.= GSTRING
Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Can we move this to a (new) shorter thread?
Quote:Because the topic isn't specific enough. I have some very specific things to say about Trump and Obama. But that's OK, I'll just start other threads about those more focused thoughts and leave this one for whatever.
Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:29 AM
Quote:Here is a "whatever" for you, but if you started a new thread for every odd "whatever" Trump does, you will be starting hundreds of them.- SECOND
Quote:Trump, Cabinet could avoid Billions in taxes thanks to this little-known law
Quote:The tax advantage will allow Trump officials, forced by ethics laws to sell certain assets, to defer the weighty tax bills they would otherwise owe on the profits from selling stock and other holdings.
Saturday, December 3, 2016 10:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Now, as far as I know, "defer" means "delay" not "cancel". Maybe these office-holders can "defer" taxes, but can they avoid them entirely? Also, isn't that true of ANY Cabinet member in ANY administration? Anyway, this is speculation. It's USEFUL speculation, because it gives us a point to focus on when real action DOES occur, but so far it's speculation. As President, we can all hold him fully responsible for his actions, since he will have the full authority of office. At that point, he is worth all of the slings and arrows that his authority is worth.
Saturday, December 3, 2016 3:11 PM
Saturday, December 3, 2016 4:25 PM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Can we move this to a (new) shorter thread? Something that applies to Trump as President-elect, and not Trump the candidate? Because I guarantee you NOBODY is going to look at the previous 26 pages ... or even the previous five posts (especially yours, SECOND) no matter HOW blistering you think they are! Awww, she's mad. And funny wrong as usual. I read every one of second's posts. I look forward to every one of second's posts. You would learn a lot if you did the same. Why move a thread? Click the thread title, go to the last page - easy even for you.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Can we move this to a (new) shorter thread? Something that applies to Trump as President-elect, and not Trump the candidate? Because I guarantee you NOBODY is going to look at the previous 26 pages ... or even the previous five posts (especially yours, SECOND) no matter HOW blistering you think they are!
Saturday, December 3, 2016 4:50 PM
Quote:Now, as far as I know, "defer" means "delay" not "cancel". Maybe these office-holders can "defer" taxes, but can they avoid them entirely? Also, isn't that true of ANY Cabinet member in ANY administration? - SIGNY ...Cut the goddamn crap, Signym. You’re being a long-winded spokesman for Trump when he already has paid people to do this for him.- SECOND
Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I asked a question, SECOND. What's wrong with asking questions? Just because I'm not on YOUR goddamn anti-Trump bandwagon doesn't make me a Trump spokesperson. I intend to approach the Trump Presidency with the same skepticism that I approached Obama's, which is being a helluva lot more objective than you've even been capable of.
Quote:"America has always been aspirational to me. Even when I chafed at its hypocrisies, it somehow always seemed sure, a nation that knew what it was doing, refreshingly free of that anything-can-happen existential uncertainty so familiar to developing nations. But no longer. The election of Donald Trump has flattened the poetry in America’s founding philosophy: the country born from an idea of freedom is to be governed by an unstable, stubbornly uninformed, authoritarian demagogue. And in response to this there are people living in visceral fear, people anxiously trying to discern policy from bluster, and people kowtowing as though to a new king. Things that were recently pushed to the corners of America’s political space—overt racism, glaring misogyny, anti-intellectualism—are once again creeping to the center."
Saturday, December 3, 2016 8:27 PM
Quote:You skeptical and objective toward Trump? Are you sure this happened on fireflyfans.net? Or did it just happen in your imagination?
Quote: When do you think you climbed up on this high horse of virtue and civility?- SECONDRATE
Sunday, December 4, 2016 9:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:You skeptical and objective toward Trump? Are you sure this happened on fireflyfans.net? Or did it just happen in your imagination? I have said time and time again, that Trump and Hillary are EQUALS in terms of ethics. Hillary is a two-faced liar. Trump is a bullshitter.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You have been a liar, and an asshole to both me and KIKI pretty much though this whole discussion.
Sunday, December 4, 2016 9:38 AM
Quote: The new U.S. administration could start with receiving Taiwanese diplomats officially at the State Department; upgrading the status of U.S. representation in Taipei from a private “institute” to an official diplomatic mission; inviting Taiwan’s president to travel officially to America; allowing the most senior U.S. officials to visit Taiwan to transact government business; and ultimately restoring full diplomatic recognition.
Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:11 AM
Quote:Trump is the winner of both the biggest liar contest AND the biggest bullshitter contest.-SECOND
Quote:You skeptical and objective toward Trump? Are you sure this happened on fireflyfans.net? Or did it just happen in your imagination?- SECOND I have said time and time again, that Trump and Hillary are EQUALS in terms of ethics. Hillary is a two-faced liar. Trump is a bullshitter.- SIGNY Signym, you put a lot of trust in your opinions about Trump and Hillary, don’t you?- SECOND
Quote:And once again, you’re selling us your usual rubbishy opinions, quickly written by you, using the only reference you trust: yourself and your overinflated opinion that your judgment is adequate. If I had used either the word “good” or “excellent” rather than “adequate” judgment, you’d immediately go into your nitpicking mode, saying you never claimed blah blah. It is your false modest showing. I’ve seen that too many times, along with your opinions.- SECOND
Quote: You have been a liar, and an asshole to both me and KIKI pretty much though this whole discussion. - SIGNY
Quote:Scientist have been studying Signym, 1kiki, and Trump
Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Here's a deal: I will post to you with all snark and insults removed, if you do the same. I'm not even asking you to stick to facts! I think deal will last as long as your first reply, but how about it? Ready to behave civilly? And BTW, have you listened to at least the first ten minutes of Trump's speech? Or are you still embargoing information that makes you uncomfortable?
Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:14 PM
Quote:And I am not taking your "deal". If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would. But I don't know how to make computer monitors and phones catch fire from my wrath. - SECONRATE/SECONDHAND
Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:39 PM
Sunday, December 4, 2016 4:46 PM
Quote:If I could write inflammatory commentary to scorch the eye brows and lashes off Trump, Signym or 1kiki, I would.- SECOND
Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:42 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, December 5, 2016 8:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: SECOND is still whining about Hillary.
Monday, December 5, 2016 9:37 AM
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Monday, December 5, 2016 11:25 AM
Quote:According to one pollster, 25% of Trump’s votes came from people who — knowing for certain he had no path to 270 electoral votes, because that’s what the media assured them — voted for him to make a statement, but would not have if they had thought he might actually win. If that’s true ...
Quote:Did 1kiki vote for Jill Stein to "make a statement" against Hillary in the secret world inside 1kiki's tiny head? Because if 1kiki did vote Stein, 1kiki also made a second statement in the great exterior world: "I want President Trump."
Monday, December 5, 2016 12:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, you're going to be mad at roughly half of the United States because they didn't vote for your Annointed One?
Monday, December 5, 2016 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I voted not for Clinton in a state she won with 62% of the vote. I guess I really DID help Trump! in the secret world inside SECOND's tiny head.
Monday, December 5, 2016 12:31 PM
Quote:Have you heard of the Civil War? Persuasive words and voting did not bring peace in 1860 over the hot topic of States' Rights.
Monday, December 5, 2016 12:35 PM
Quote:So, you're going to be mad at roughly half of the United States because they didn't vote for your Annointed One?- SIGNY Have you heard of the Civil War? Persuasive words and voting did not bring peace in 1860 over the hot topic of States' Rights.- SECOND
Quote:Post-Truth Politics Commentators have begun diagnosing the political and intellectual condition of the country. One assessment that has been gaining traction is that, in electing Mr. Trump to the Presidency, the United States has embraced a "post-truth" politics. The term does not have a unified meaning.
Monday, December 5, 2016 12:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: "This being the internet, there is a reasonable doubt that you live where you say you live and you voted the way you say you voted."
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: For all I know, you're a DC/DNC apparatchik.
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