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What good will your "tax cut" do if we are at war?

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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What good will your "tax cut" do if we are at war? Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?= DIHNY

Congress hasn’t declared war since 1942 so there is no war right now. Okay, that makes no sense. Is it Nuclear Armageddon you are worried about? Hillary would be ignoring Global Warming if she blows up the World. What a terrible betrayal of the Democratic party platform! And Bernie would be angry at Hillary. Should she intentionally do that I absolutely would not vote for her a second time.- SECOND

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Presumed innocent means that FBI does not accuse Hillary of a crime before indicting her.

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Fortunately, Trump was wearing brown pants when he "lost control of his bowel movement" because he was so furious at the FBI's Comey for backing down.

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Well, we get to see if the FBI will ever investigate Saudi Princess and operative Huma Abedin, or the criminal enterprise that is the Clinton Foundation, or if we Americans will be sold down river.

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Originally posted by second:
Congress hasn’t declared war since 1942 so there is no war right now. Okay, that makes no sense. Is it Nuclear Armageddon you are worried about? Hillary would be ignoring Global Warming if she blows up the World. What a terrible betrayal of the Democratic party platform! And Bernie would be angry at Hillary. Should she intentionally do that I absolutely would not vote for her a second time.

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Originally posted by second:
Stephen Hawking Angers Trump Supporters with Baffling Array of Long Words
By Andy Borowitz , May 31, 2016

LONDON (The Borowitz Report)—The theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking angered supporters of Donald J. Trump on Monday by responding to a question about the billionaire with a baffling array of long words.

Speaking to a television interviewer in London, Hawking called Trump “a demagogue who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator,” a statement that many Trump supporters believed was intentionally designed to confuse them.

Moments after Hawking made the remark, Google reported a sharp increase in searches for the terms “demagogue,” “denominator,” and “Stephen Hawking.”

“For a so-called genius, this was an epic fail,” Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, said. “If Professor Hawking wants to do some damage, maybe he should try talking in English next time.”

Later in the day, Hawking attempted to clarify his remark about the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, telling a reporter, “Trump bad man. Real bad man.”

www.newyorker.com//borowitz-report/stephen-hawking-angers-trump-suppor
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Presumed innocent means that FBI does not accuse Hillary of a crime before indicting her.

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There's where you start going off the rails, dearie. The FBI didn't accuse hillary of anything. All they said was that they were investigating to see if new evidence existed.

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Fortunately, Trump was wearing brown pants when he "lost control of his bowel movement" because he was so furious at the FBI's Comey for backing down.

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And there you go again, making shit (literally) up. is that your NORMAL reaction to facts? Yanno, making shit up?

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Time for the trolls to crawl back under the rocks from whence they came.
FBI Completes Review of Newly Revealed Hillary Clinton Emails, Finds No Evidence of Criminality
FBI Director James Comey said Sunday that the bureau won't change the conclusion it made in July after it examined newly revealed emails related to the Hillary Clinton probe.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," Comey wrote in a letter to 16 members of Congress. = THUGR

Shocking! < / jokey voice >
I wonder if that will be the same conclusion after 7 more investigations (like Bengahzi)?
I loved the "Trump rushed from stage" videos that have been circling. I wonder if Mr. NRA 2nd amendment is still all pro gun? Someone just says "gun" and they run away. What a horror show this campaign is. And I thought Palin was an all time low.= GSTRING

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Time for the trolls to crawl back under the rocks from whence they came.

FBI Completes Review of Newly Revealed Hillary Clinton Emails, Finds No Evidence of Criminality

FBI Director James Comey said Sunday that the bureau won't change the conclusion it made in July after it examined newly revealed emails related to the Hillary Clinton probe.

"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," Comey wrote in a letter to 16 members of Congress.

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Shocking! < / jokey voice >

I wonder if that will be the same conclusion after 7 more investigations (like Bengahzi) ?

I loved the "Trump rushed from stage" videos that have been circling. I wonder if Mr. NRA 2nd amendment is still all pro gun? Someone just says "gun" and they run away. What a horror show this campaign is. And I thought Palin was an all time low.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And you both are also moral horror shows. My god, I sometimes feel like the only American here. (Well, except for you, GSTRING, since I know you're Canadian. It's OK if you don't keep America's interests at heart.)

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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The socialist who loves authoritarianism and hates liberals.

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Looks like she's hungover again. 3... 2... 1... add raging spittle... ready projectile bile... fire!

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Looks like she's hungover again. 3... 2... 1... add raging spittle... ready projectile bile... fire!

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And here is an example of one of those non-American "progressives" who will use lies, snark, and more lies, just to evade THINKING about what they're doing.

GSTRING, you just love taking cheap shots. And that's what you are: cheap. Just a stoopid millennial who can't be parted form his iPhone. But since you're Canadian, who the fuck cares what you think of American politics?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

They can't figure out what AMERICA'S INTERESTS ARE, and they dare not even try to answer the question because it might bring that topic into view. They love - or at least tolerate- the corruption that Big Money brings. They lie, to themselves and consequently to everyone else. "Business as usual" and "We are special" are their mottoes.

I have never seen as hidebound, moralistic, and nasty bunch of "believers" as these socalled "progressives" except the neocons.

They are UNPRINCIPLED. Everything is relativism and convenience. That is why they NEVER discuss reality or causation. And they will never, but NEVER, look at the horror that their ideology has wrought, or where it will yet lead.

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1kiki, how would you react to a headline in today's Houston Post that reads: "FBI clears 1kiki in felony case

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second, you're confused. First you claim that the FBI ACCUSED hillary. NOW you're complaining about the headlines - which - NOTE - are NOT the FBI.

So, we're agreed - THE FBI NEVER ACCUSED hillary.


As as for your propensity to lie, do you mean THIS headline, second?

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The FBI rattled the presidential race Friday by announcing it is again probing emails that might be related to her private server, rekindling a politically damaging controversy for Clinton and reinvigorating Republicans scrambling to hold on to congressional seats.

Because Comey had told Congress that the FBI had finished investigating Clinton’s server, he felt he needed to let lawmakers know that agents were looking into the case again in light of the recent discovery, the official said.

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Yeah no 1kiki. We all know you not SECOND to be the liar here.= THUGR

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Originally posted by second:
Just as a quick recap:

1) Trump built his early political notoriety via “birtherism,” explicitly working to undermine the legitimacy of our elected President.

2) He has continually vilified immigrants and foreigners generally, promoting an us-against-them mentality between people of different races and ethnicities.

3) He has pledged to violate the Constitutional principle of freedom of religion, from banning Muslims from entering the country to tracking ones that are here.

4) His campaign, and the Republican party more generally, has openly engaged in suppressing the vote from groups unlikely to support him. (“‘We have three major voter suppression operations underway,’ says a senior [Trump] official.”) www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-voter-sup
pression.html?_r=0

5) He has glorified violence against protesters who disagree with him. www.weeklystandard.com/protester-would-be-carried-out-on-a-stretcher-i
n-the-old-days-trump-reminisces/article/2001211

6) He has lied at an unprecedented, astonishing rate, secure in the knowledge that his statements will be taken as true by a large fraction of his intended audience. www.thestar.com/news/world/uselection/2016/11/04/donald-trump-the-unau
thorized-database-of-false-things.html

7) He has presented himself as a uniquely powerful strongman who can solve problems through his personal force of will, and spoke admiringly of dictators from Vladimir Putin to Kim Jong-un to Saddam Hussein. www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/07/21/trump-doubles-do
wn-fear-justifies-a-strongman/

8) He has vowed that if he wins the election, he will seek vengeance on those who opposed him, including throwing his opponent into prison. www.salon.com/2016/10/10/donald-trump-town-hall-debate-arrest-hillary-
clinton/

9) He has repeatedly cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election outcome, implying that he would refuse to accept the result if he lost.

10) He has pointed fingers at a shadowy global conspiracy in charge of world finance, often with explicitly anti-Semitic overtones. www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-defamation-league-donald-trump_us_58
1f6a6ce4b0aac624850cbf

11) Several Republican politicians have broached the prospect of refusing to confirm any Supreme Court nominees from a Democratic President. https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/26/senate-refuse-confirm-hillary-cli
ntons-judicial-nominees/

12) A government agency, the FBI, has interfered in a Presidential election. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/james-comey-fbi-hillary-clinto
n-hatch-act-election

13) Republicans have accused Democratic officeholders of being traitors. https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/795471264756465671

14) A number of Trump supporters have spoken of the prospect of violent resistance if Clinton is elected. www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html

This is not a list of “why Donald Trump is a bad person who is disastrously unqualified for the Presidency”; that would be much longer. Rather, I wanted to highlight features of the campaign that are specifically attacks on (small-“d”) democratic norms and values. The assumptions, often unspoken, by which legitimate political opponents have generally agreed to operate by over the course of the last two centuries and more.

Democracy is a curious and fragile thing. It’s not just “majority rules”; crucial to the project are the ideas that (1) minority rights are still respected, and (2) in return, losing minorities respect electoral outcomes. It’s the second of these that is under siege at the moment. Since the time of the Federalist Papers, it’s been understood that democracy is an attempt to provide common self-rule for people who don’t agree on everything, but who at least share the common values of democracy itself. Having strong, even extremely passionate, political disagreements is inevitable in a democratic system. The question is whether we cast those with whom we disagree as enemies, traitors, and cheaters who must be opposed in every measure at every turn; or as partners in a grand project with whom we can fiercely disagree and yet still work with.

www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2016/11/07/the-future-of-democratic-
values/


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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More defensible would have been the FBI waiting until yesterday to either drop a bombshell that Hillary would be indicted or else the FBI silently finishes reading Wienergate emails and announces nothing publicly about even the existence of the emails.

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For the arithmetically challenged, 51 percent of Trump's statement were categorically false, compared to 13 percent of Clinton's.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Do you really believe that ? . . . Hillary lies with forethought. Nothing comes out of her mouth that hasn't been approved and tested. One of the things that will NOT move me, SECOND, is any reference to Trump's personality flaws because Hillary is just as deeply flawed...

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That is one of her big downsides, and the one that you can never seem to address.

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Yeah no 1kiki. We all know you not SECOND to be the liar here.= THUGR

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This from the frankly delusional person of the board. You've become the new PirateNews, except to half as smart.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Extremely well put, argued and expressed. To the point, concise and poignant.
This is about Democracy (with a capital D) and not a dictatorship. Every 4 years we elect a new president, but we also vote for representatives to help run the country. In recent years, ever since Obama has won the office, that has been distorted to a high degree, because of a "handful" of dissidents who refuse to accept a man, a highly educated man, can efficiently run the country merely because he's a Democrat.

I watched Trump's rally tonight in Michigan, and he stated that he was running for the presidency to "restore" the country to greatness. That implies that we are no longer great. Since when, exactly!? He also said something that was surprising, not so much that he thought it, but that he said it out loud...and I'm paraphrasing:

He said that there would be one America with one religion and one people.

Now that's scary.


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Originally posted by second:
Just as a quick recap:

1) Trump built his early political notoriety via “birtherism,” explicitly working to undermine the legitimacy of our elected President.

2) He has continually vilified immigrants and foreigners generally, promoting an us-against-them mentality between people of different races and ethnicities.

3) He has pledged to violate the Constitutional principle of freedom of religion, from banning Muslims from entering the country to tracking ones that are here.

4) His campaign, and the Republican party more generally, has openly engaged in suppressing the vote from groups unlikely to support him. (“‘We have three major voter suppression operations underway,’ says a senior [Trump] official.”) www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-voter-sup
pression.html?_r=0

5) He has glorified violence against protesters who disagree with him. www.weeklystandard.com/protester-would-be-carried-out-on-a-stretcher-i
n-the-old-days-trump-reminisces/article/2001211

6) He has lied at an unprecedented, astonishing rate, secure in the knowledge that his statements will be taken as true by a large fraction of his intended audience. www.thestar.com/news/world/uselection/2016/11/04/donald-trump-the-unau
thorized-database-of-false-things.html

7) He has presented himself as a uniquely powerful strongman who can solve problems through his personal force of will, and spoke admiringly of dictators from Vladimir Putin to Kim Jong-un to Saddam Hussein. www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/07/21/trump-doubles-do
wn-fear-justifies-a-strongman/

8) He has vowed that if he wins the election, he will seek vengeance on those who opposed him, including throwing his opponent into prison. www.salon.com/2016/10/10/donald-trump-town-hall-debate-arrest-hillary-
clinton/

9) He has repeatedly cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election outcome, implying that he would refuse to accept the result if he lost.

10) He has pointed fingers at a shadowy global conspiracy in charge of world finance, often with explicitly anti-Semitic overtones. www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-defamation-league-donald-trump_us_58
1f6a6ce4b0aac624850cbf

11) Several Republican politicians have broached the prospect of refusing to confirm any Supreme Court nominees from a Democratic President. https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/26/senate-refuse-confirm-hillary-cli
ntons-judicial-nominees/

12) A government agency, the FBI, has interfered in a Presidential election. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/31/james-comey-fbi-hillary-clinto
n-hatch-act-election

13) Republicans have accused Democratic officeholders of being traitors. https://twitter.com/GarrettHaake/status/795471264756465671

14) A number of Trump supporters have spoken of the prospect of violent resistance if Clinton is elected. www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html

This is not a list of “why Donald Trump is a bad person who is disastrously unqualified for the Presidency”; that would be much longer. Rather, I wanted to highlight features of the campaign that are specifically attacks on (small-“d”) democratic norms and values. The assumptions, often unspoken, by which legitimate political opponents have generally agreed to operate by over the course of the last two centuries and more.

Democracy is a curious and fragile thing. It’s not just “majority rules”; crucial to the project are the ideas that (1) minority rights are still respected, and (2) in return, losing minorities respect electoral outcomes. It’s the second of these that is under siege at the moment. Since the time of the Federalist Papers, it’s been understood that democracy is an attempt to provide common self-rule for people who don’t agree on everything, but who at least share the common values of democracy itself. Having strong, even extremely passionate, political disagreements is inevitable in a democratic system. The question is whether we cast those with whom we disagree as enemies, traitors, and cheaters who must be opposed in every measure at every turn; or as partners in a grand project with whom we can fiercely disagree and yet still work with.

www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2016/11/07/the-future-of-democratic-
values/


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly]

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Russia trolls get contract extension
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THGRRI, Second, G, Mal4Prez, Joy

I WEEP FOR MY COUNTRY...........JFK just turned over in his grave!

This is a sad state of affairs, stock market is crashing and they just put a hold on the Futures Market. This will reverberate around the world.

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Originally posted by G:
Funny - I just heard the garbage trucks pull up out front as they do on this day every week. I immediately thought: "I wonder how long that will continue?"

The best thing? The best thing is I don't have to hear people bitch about Hillary for 4 years.

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In my opinion the blame falls on Trump starting on the day he is inaugurated. Until then, don't worry, be happy, stock-markets of the world because Trump might not keep any of his promises![\quote]

Ah, I feel so much better now that you've said that.....okay, that was half tongue-in-cheek. Actually, I agree with you. Stock markets did rebound, but I still weep for this country. In a way, I kind of thought this might happen and this may turn out to be good for the country.

Once and for all the so-called alt-right will get what they deserve. Let's step back and give the man space, let him get the elbow room he needs to perform miracles. Ready, Begin!


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
JFK just turned over in his grave

I'm old enough to have known JFK, and believe me, hillary is no JFK. Bad paraphrases aside, I don't know that JFK would even have recognized the greedy, corrupt hillary as a democrat. Or if he did, it would have been as the Tammany Hall style boss-type. Democrats need to aspire to be something better than that.

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Originally posted by G:
Funny - I just heard the garbage trucks pull up out front as they do on this day every week. I immediately thought: "I wonder how long that will continue?"

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The Clintons in permanent political retirement will be good for the Democratic party.

Trump has a clever scheme to enrich bankers and himself. Wall St bankers really will fill garbage trucks and dump them into suckers' investment portfolios.

Trump’s pose as an anti-finance populist may be the single greatest trick of his entire campaign. Alongside some rhetoric, after all, Trump has an actual policy agenda that he is running on — and that agenda is incredibly favorable to bankers. He wants less regulation of banks and lower taxes for hedge fund and private equity managers.

And despite repeatedly attacking Clinton for her ties to Wall Street, Trump has close ties to the banking industry himself. His real estate empire has created a network of conflicts of interest (and opportunities to massively enrich himself) never before seen in an American president.

The details of how Trump can really become the ten-billionaire he already claimed to be are at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13573294/donald-trump-financ
ial-regulation

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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. . . I will acknowledge and respect the thrift and ingenuity of it, and I will do those things while I also enjoy a hearty, American-sized gallows laugh.

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Just OOC, do you call yourself "SECOND" because your opinions are second-hand? Or because they're second-rate?

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Just OOC, do you call yourself "SECOND" because your opinions are second-hand? Or because they're second-rate?

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Just OOC, do you call yourself "SECOND" because your opinions are second-hand? Or because they're second-rate? = SIGNY

Huh? That's not even a little funny or even a bit creative - disappointing. Come on Hillary, you can do better! =GSTRING

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NOW THAT TRUMP IS PRESIDENT

the immediate threat of neo-CON run government, spy agencies and military working in lockstep is gone. Not for good, because the threat won't be gone until the neo-CONS are purged, but there won't be a critical mass of them brought together in the near future.

NOW is the time for progressives and democratic socialists, environmentalists and freedom-lovers, to come together and leave the rotting husk of the 'democratic' party behind.= KIKI

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Fortunately, since this was all public, Trump and his advisors have all of their names. I hope he's as good as saying "you're fired" in the WH as he is on TV.

But yanno, firing somebody doesn't really end their activities, so I think that some of them should probably be investigated for anti-American activities, and some of the State Department people should be made Ambassador to Antarctica or some such.

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