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Hillary Clinton: Every single thing she said proved to be false

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Saturday, September 3, 2016 8:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hillary Clinton: In her own words. And then the truth


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Sunday, September 4, 2016 8:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'll just rebound the entire Opposite and say the same thing for Trump and hope it is all Copacetic :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 4, 2016 10:49 PM

REAVERFAN


Yawn. The Clinton Hate Industry just recycles the same debunked crap they've repeated for years. Scary music and selective editing do not a convincing argument make.

I'm not crazy about her, either. There's plenty to criticize without making up bullshit.

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Monday, September 5, 2016 3:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Yawn. The Clinton Hate Industry just recycles the same debunked crap they've repeated for years. Scary music and selective editing do not a convincing argument make.

I'm not crazy about her, either. There's plenty to criticize without making up bullshit.

Oh, you mean like "conveniently" finding documents when it's too late to assist in any investigation?

Or, what DO you criticize her for?

If anything?


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, September 5, 2016 7:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Just a bump for REAVERFAN so the question doesn't get lost:

Quote:

Yawn. The Clinton Hate Industry just recycles the same debunked crap they've repeated for years. Scary music and selective editing do not a convincing argument make.
I'm not crazy about her, either. There's plenty to criticize without making up bullshit.- REAVEFAN

Oh, you mean like "conveniently" finding documents when it's too late to assist in any investigation?
Or, what DO you criticize her for?
If anything?- SIGNY





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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Wednesday, September 7, 2016 4:18 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Yawn. The Clinton Hate Industry just recycles the same debunked crap they've repeated for years. Scary music and selective editing do not a convincing argument make.

I'm not crazy about her, either. There's plenty to criticize without making up bullshit.

Oh, you mean like "conveniently" finding documents when it's too late to assist in any investigation?

Or, what DO you criticize her for?

If anything?


THAT's going to be a lot of crickets in reply. RF is always full of bluster and bluff, but empty on truth or the facts.

She sounds more and more like a sixth grader with her excuses - did her dog eat her homework? How many lies will America tolerate from her? How many lame excuses will she be permitted? And why has she gone 278 days without holding a press conference? She's afraid of her own campaign's PR Department (aka MSM)?

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Monday, September 26, 2016 7:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Yawn. The Clinton Hate Industry just recycles the same debunked crap they've repeated for years. Scary music and selective editing do not a convincing argument make.

I'm not crazy about her, either. There's plenty to criticize without making up bullshit.

Oh, you mean like "conveniently" finding documents when it's too late to assist in any investigation?

Or, what DO you criticize her for?

If anything?


THAT's going to be a lot of crickets in reply. RF is always full of bluster and bluff, but empty on truth or the facts.

She sounds more and more like a sixth grader with her excuses - did her dog eat her homework? How many lies will America tolerate from her? How many lame excuses will she be permitted? And why has she gone 278 days without holding a press conference? She's afraid of her own campaign's PR Department (aka MSM)?


Lots and lots of crickets.
RF seems to have gotten the booster shot of the Facts Vaccine.

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Tuesday, September 27, 2016 2:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My reply was sarcastic Sigs. I know you know that ;)

RWED is basically dead.

I was going to say it was dead "Girl", but as many years as I've known you, I have no clue if you're male or female.

It doesn't matter.

We've been on the same side sometimes and opposite sides other times.

Just been fun sparring with you.

Shame RWED is really dead now.



All the Teenagers and 20-somethings got old and did other stuff.

No new teens coming here anymore like I did in 2004. This shit is OLD now.

RIP RWED.

I'm 1000% sure that Trump will be our next president.

I'm not saying it will be great for us, but like Mulder said "I Want To Believe"....


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 3, 2016 8:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Friday, October 7, 2016 1:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm actually feeling quite educated on these issues since I first replied here 32 days ago...

If it wasn't obvious from my September 4th reply, I've been a believer for quite a few years that you're just plain F***D either way and so, who cares?

In that time, I've learned quite a lot about the past of Hillary, and the Clintons, and how they are tied with the Obamas and the Bushes, and how the majority of my life has just been a singular political push toward a Globalist agenda.


For instance, there is a VERY real threat that we are teetering on the precipice of World War III, and yet the only thing people seem to give a fuck about right now is how Donald Trump called a beauty queen who let herself go "Miss Piggy" 20 years ago.

20 years ago, I was 16 years old.

I could count on one hand the amount of things I believe to be true today that I believed to be true back in 1996.


BACK IN 1996, I HAD YET TO EVER GO ON THE INTERNET ONCE IN MY LIFE!!!!!

And I was a freaking computer nerd.




What would it be like if you were under a microscope and every single thing you ever said in your past came back to haunt you. Things you probably didn't even remember saying 20 years ago until somebody showed you an audio showing you a much dumber and much younger you?

Hell, I regret things I've said here not all that long ago. I've said so many bad things to so many people in my life that I don't really have any friends anymore except for immediate family. So many things I wish I could go back in time and erase......

I only have two options now.

1) Sit in my pity pot and wonder how things might have been if I didn't turn into a drunken loud mouthed fool.

or

2) Worry about today instead of focusing on the past.

There's no use crying over spilled milk.




EYE OF THE TIGER:





Get back on that horse Trump.


I'm willing to bet that for every woman that hates you that Clinton can find, there are a hundred, or even a thousand women you've personally interacted with in your life who would come out to support you equally and oppositely without expecting quid-pro-quo....

BUT FORGET ABOUT ALL OF THAT!!!!

That doesn't matter right now. Take solace and comfort knowing in your heart that there are women whos lives you've touched in the past. Don't parade them around for anybody but yourself.

IGNORE the Clinton mud-slinging BULLSHIT.

Don't be cocky.

You're great at the things that you do, and the Clintons have 40 years of lies, mud-slinging and deception under their belts.

If you fight them on their terms, you've already lost.

Get your mind right, son ;)

The Clinton machine is an angry, virtually indestructible Dragon.

But just like the Dragon in The Hobbit, in showing it's power and hubris, it exposes it's single weak spot to you on a silver platter.


Take a page out of the Mike Pence book. Even the most Leftists of Leftists will admit that Pence won that debate. Even if they insult him by saying that "what he lacked in substance he more than made up in style".


Hillary is every bit the annoying Scrappy Doo that Kaine is. You just need to change the rules and make her play by your game.

The Globalist Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama Dragon that has been destroying our great country for a majority of my life is yours to take down. Right here, Right now.

Be calm. Be steady. Don't think about yourself or what others think about you.

Breathe.

The Women who support you, who have always supported you are here with you. Your tens of thousands of fans in every packed arena across the country are right behind you, supporting you. You have nothing more to prove to us.

Parry the personal attacks. Dodge the chosen Liberal moderators' slings and arrows. Make your own narrative.

Don't focus on the odds being stacked against you. You never would be the man today if that was a problem for you before today.

Focus.

As must as you've accomplished in your life, THIS is your personal Mt. Everest.

All you have to do is climb up upon the shoulders of those who support you and conquer that Hill.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 1:38 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Get back on that horse Trump.

Worship heroes much? Thousands of years ago Plato saw the same bullshit from people like you toward people like Trump. It is no surprise that Plato is still remembered because he warned the world against future Trumps.

For Plato, democracy suffered from the basic defect of putting decision-making in the hands of people who were not competent to decide. Politics was a skill – and most people were simply clueless. Worse, that made them prey for hucksters and demagogues who would promise the earth and get away with it. Democracy was fertile ground for fantasists with a taste for power. If you tell the people that up is down, and the people believe you, then who is going to let them know that they are wrong?

These fears have never really gone away, and they reassert themselves at times of political crisis. In the 1920s, the American political commentator Walter Lippmann updated Plato for the 20th century by arguing that modern citizens simply lacked the mental capacity to process the information needed for intelligent decision-making. Lippmann had worked in American propaganda during the first world war and had seen at first hand just how easy it was to manipulate public opinion.

“It is no longer possible,” he wrote, “to believe in the original dogma of democracy: that the knowledge needed for the management of human affairs comes up spontaneously from the human heart.” People will vote on the basis of anything that grabs their attention in a passing moment, filtered by whatever deep prejudices they harbour beneath the surface. Evidence means little to the average voter; reasoned argument means even less.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/trump-brexit-education-gap-te
aring-politics-apart


If Plato and Lippmann were alive, they'd mock you and kick Trump's ass.

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Friday, October 7, 2016 2:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I don't know about Plato.

I come from a long history of mixed European heritage that never went to college or finished it. My old man would have, but was recruited by the pentagon before he finished. I've got pictures of my mom wearing a gas mask and stories of the "Chamber" that they'd have to "survive" full of mustard gas as long as they could before putting their masks back on.

For all I fucking know, that was an Anti-Woman thing and nobody else ever had to go through that test except for the women.



I did take some community college back in the early 2000s. Even knowing what I know, it was almost entirely without political bias.

That is, except for my "American Government" class.

To this day, I believe that I learned more from that single class than I did any other class I've ever taken in my life except for "keyboarding"...

But at the same time, it was taught with such a political left-leaning slant the teacher should have been fired.

Anyone taking a class on American Government should be taught by a non-partisan, or at least somebody who can pretend well enough that it doesn't influence their teachings.


In the mean time, I got an A in both of my Literature courses 2 years straight. Maybe one day I can dig up my notebook that one of the teachers made us turn in for a grade on occassion after reading the 5 or so books assigned between tests.

I believe it was "Waiting for Godot" where I was likely VERY ahead of my time.

My teacher usually had a ton of notes about things to say about everything in our notebooks, but even though I got an A for that session, he didn't say a single word.

Most of my notes were about the hidden BDSM homosexual slavery implied in that story.

I think I had my teachers mixed up.

I bet the guy teaching my American Government class would have handled my notebook much differently than just giving me an A and ignoring that he ever read it.


Do you read Sutter Kane?



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 7:00 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know about Plato.
Even knowing what I know, it was almost entirely without political bias.

That is, except for my "American Government" class.

To this day, I believe that I learned more from that single class than I did any other class I've ever taken in my life except for "keyboarding"...

But at the same time, it was taught with such a political left-leaning slant the teacher should have been fired.

Anyone taking a class on American Government should be taught by a non-partisan, or at least somebody who can pretend well enough that it doesn't influence their teachings.

Did your "American Government" class discuss the real "American Government" and some illuminating example just so happened to shine a bright light on a living American politician and that politician didn't look good in that much light? When that happens, students accuse teachers of bias. If a teacher wants to avoid accusations of bias, it is much better to use examples from Washington's and Jefferson's administrations. Never use living examples or the words Democrat or Republican, else some student will be offended.

This thread should be about lying Hillary. Instead I have an interesting tidbit from the depositions in the bankruptcy case concerning Trump Plaza, which is a property in Atlantic City that was shuttered in 2014 after Trump had pumped about $200 million into it. That, as you know, is how all great businessmen operate.

You won’t believe what Trump’s own lawyers did when meeting with him, as recorded in this note:


Take a moment and read this carefully, particularly the final answer:


In other words, Trump lied to his own lawyers so routinely that they had to have backup whenever they met with him. His Own Lawyers.

Consider the context. The people who were entrusted to protect Trump's interests in a multimillion dollar bankruptcy case knew he could not be trusted. If you are trusting Trump to be good on Supreme Court Justices or any thing else what right do you have to think he's going to be more candid with you than with his own legal team?
www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/06/wont-believe-donald-trumps-lawyers
-meeting
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 7, 2016 8:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Let's be clear...

When my American Government class was happening, GWB was barely a thing and I was barely able to vote.

In the mean time I've voted against GWB's 2nd term, Obama's 1st and 2nd term and will against Hillary.




I think I would make an EXCELLENT Tax Lawyer.

I've been doing income taxes and property taxes for myself and family and friends for 15 years now. I moved to indiana and, without a lawyer, I reduced my own property taxes from over 2.5k a year to less than 1.2k per year.


My "Greatest" accomplishment as far as post-graduate stuff is "some college".


What I offer is how smart I was without any training when I was 10 years old compared to you or your daughter or sons or wifes "liberal arts" bullshit degree that majored in NOTHING

I'm well aware that I'm the fucking Fool on the Hill in these parts.

Wish and Sigs are my only part-time friends, and would likely rather dis-associate themselves from me.

But the no matter how fucked up I am mentally and emotionally, the truth is, I know how to get things done. If I didn't, I wouldn't know how to have been coasting by the last almost year and a half without working a job. Period.

I own a house free and clear. I haven't worked a single day since April 2014.

I still have enough money saved up that I can do that until the next presidential cycle barring some catastrophic failure.


And even if that happens, I can take a very low rate loan as a lean against my home. Something you wouldn't be privy to with your big, fat mortgage.



Again, I'm not bragging about things and I don't want to get into a big dick contest.

I'm just saying that from where I stand, nobody expects anything from me. I could qualify for 20 more credit cards tomorrow. I could use an ATM to drain all of the money from them. I could move to Mexico next week and hop a plane to Syria with over 100k that they'd never be able to catch.

I'd never do any of that. I'm just dealing in theoreticals here. I pay my fucking bills.

I'm just telling you that there is not a single thing keeping me here. No wife. No kids. Not even my house. My credit score is 822. I could literally disappear tomorrow and "fuck my 100% owned house" tomorrow if I wanted to.


Don't fuck with me Second.

Ask Signey.

I was one of the Biggest Bush Jr. Haters here back in the day.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 8:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your biggest problem is that somehow you think that Hillary is any different than GWB was.

I'm not going to give any links. At least for now, we still have a free internet even though Obama and our pussy congress gave the keys to the UN last week.

I dare you to REALLY get to know Hillary.


Jimmy Dore says what he believes.

Honestly, I live in Indiana where Trump is going to win by over 100k votes.

Maybe I should vote Jimmy Dore for President.....?

Here's one titled "Hillary Clinton Wanted To Murder Julian Assange With A Drone"

He's likely the almost Polar fucking opposite to my views in many respects, but you know what? He is equal and he is fair and he says what he needs and wants to say without being insulting.

I watch Infowars on one side, and I watch Jimmy Fucking Dore on the other side. Not only is Jimmy Dore Left, but he's so far left that he's practically a Communist.

I still love his show, and I trust him 100 times more than anybody from CNN or FOX news.



From a TRUE Liberal that I respect. One of the Liberals who believed that Bernie was going to make a change before the Clinton Foundation BOUGHT Hillary.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 8:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


White House Intervened To Suppress Hillary email Scandal, Leaked Emails Reveal

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Last October, about 6 months after the New York Times first revealed the existence of the Hillary Clinton private email server, President Obama appeared on "60 Minutes" and denied any and all knowledge of her potentially illegal technology arrangements. When asked point blank whether he knew about Hillary's private email server, Obama responded, quite simply, "No."

Of course, we now know from the FBI's investigation notes that, in fact, that was a complete lie. As we noted back in September, Huma Abedin's interview with the FBI on April 5, 2016 revealed an email sent on June 28, 2012 from Obama, using an unknown pseudonym, to Hillary on her private email server. So, either Obama is so incompetent that he didn't recognize that Hillary wasn't using a ".gov" email account or he simply lied in the following interview. We'll let you be the judge.

But now, per a report last night from the Wall Street Journal, we know that, not only did the Obama administration know about Hillary's private email server they actually conspired, along with the State Department, to cover it up. New emails, obtained by the Wall Street Journal via a FOIA request by the Republican National Committee, reveal communications between the White House and the State Department coordinating over how to minimize the potential fallout from Hillary's email scandal so as to not impact her nascent presidential campaign. We're sure Bernie supporters must love that.

The first relevant exchange occurred between White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri and State Department spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki. Shortly after, the March 2nd New York Times article on Hillary's private email server, Palmieri, who was known to be leaving the White House to join the Clinton campaign, emailed Psaki to request that John Kerry not discuss Hillary's email scandal on an upcoming interview with "Face The Nation" on March 15th. Apparently, Psaki was able to coordinate with CBS to make sure Kerry wouldn't be asked any "uncomfortable" questions and then wrote back to Palmieri that they were "good to go on killing CBS idea."


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-07/white-house-intervened-suppre
ss-hillary-email-scandal-leaked-emails-revealax


Hillary Caught Using Child Actor At Pennsylvania Town Hall
Quote:

At a Hillary Clinton town hall yesterday in Haverford, Pennsylvania, a 15 year old girl was supposedly "chosen at random" to ask a question of the former Secretary of State. But, the well-scripted performance raised some suspicion with a YouTuber named Spanglevision who decided to dig a little deeper. And, wouldn't you know it, the "random" participant was none other than child actor, Brennan Leach, whose father just happens to be Pennsylvania democratic State Senator Daylin Leach. Oh, and in case it wasn't obvious, Daylin supports Hillary for president...shocking.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-05/clinton-caught-using-child-ac
tor-ask-planted-question-pennsylvania-townhall


State Department "Loses" Smoking-Gun Clinton Greek Bond Insider-Trading Email
Quote:

While the US media remains fixated on the fact that Donald Trump did not pay taxes in 1995, Sputnik News reports, a major scandal has been unfolding with the State Department mysteriously losing an email that documents potential insider trading on Greek bonds by Hillary Clinton’s son-in-law Marc Mezvinsky.

As we detailed just 6 months ago, Hilary Clinton's son-in-law shuttered his hedge fund in May after a 90% loss...

Despite having Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein as an investor and being Bill and Hillary Clinton's son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky (and two former colleagues from Goldman Sachs who manage Eaglevale Partners hedge fund) told investors in a letter last February they had been "incorrect" on Greece, generating staggering losses for the firm’s main Eaglevale Hellenic Opportunity, a/k/a the "Greek recovery" fund during most of its life. By 'incorrect' the Clinton heir apparent meant the $25 million Eaglevale Greek fund had lost a stunning 48% in 2014.

[About that involvement in Greece ...]

A notorious email between State Department aide Jake Sullivan and a Clinton Foundation employee exposing financial conflicts of interest by the former Secretary of State has “mysteriously” disappeared.

The Washington Examiner described the missing email as containing "an attachment memo about Greek bonds – a significant detail given the heavy investments Clinton’s son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky, was making in the Greek economic recovery during the same period" that was released outside the chain of the State Department where it could potentially have been passed along to Chelsea Clinton’s husband.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-05/state-department-loses-smokin
g-gun-clinton-insider-trading-email


Hillary "Can’t Recall" Suggesting A Drone Strike On Julian Assange
Quote:

During a brief press conference at the Zembo Shrine in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania on Tuesday, Hillary Clinton fielded a question about whether she had once spoken about assassinating WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

The question stems from a True Pundit article published on Oct. 2 which cites State Department sources who claim Hillary openly said, “Can’t we just drone this guy?” when speaking about Assange. WikiLeaks would highlight the article in a tweet on Oct. 3.

To Silence Wikileaks, #HillaryClinton Proposed Drone Strike on Julian Assange -- report https://t.co/S7tPrl2QCZ — WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 3, 2016 ...

The True Pundit piece which Hillary responded to claims that Hillary’s question about drone striking Assange came as the State Department was getting pressure from President Obama and his White House inner circle, as well as heads of state internationally, to try and cut off Assange’s delivery of the CableGate leaks.

True Pundit reported:

The statement [can't we just drone Assange] drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, “walking around” freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-05/hillary-can%E2%80%99t-recall-
suggesting-drone-strike-julian-assange


But wait! There's more!


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Friday, October 7, 2016 9:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Think about this for a moment Sigs....

We've been "sparring partners" since GWB's first term.



I think about this.

I believe that we are coming to what is possibly our first agreement ever because unlike 90% or more of people who ever posted in RWED, we are not Hard-Wired to some Idolic Dogma.

I for one, welcome the opportunity to fight along side with you, and I know I've been an intolerable bastard in the past. Yet somehow, here we are, in 2016, sharing the same public opinions, and at the end of the day almost EXACTLY for the SAME reasons.

We will never change anybody's mind that is hard wired to the "other side". All we can do now is spread the truths we know and hope that we can convince people who wouldn't otherwise vote into voting against the shit that's coming down the pipe if everyone stays silent.

Hillary Clinton is nothing more than GWB 3.0

We just barely survived GWB 2.0


I cant guarantee that Trump will fix things, but for the first time in my "voting life" I'm actually buying the Snake Sauce.

Don't go breaking my heart Trump.


You're our Only Hope.....


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 11:51 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Yawn. The Clinton Hate Industry just recycles the same debunked crap they've repeated for years. Scary music and selective editing do not a convincing argument make.

I'm not crazy about her, either. There's plenty to criticize without making up bullshit.

Oh, you mean like "conveniently" finding documents when it's too late to assist in any investigation?

Or, what DO you criticize her for?

If anything?



SIG you just backed this video with your credibility. It was posted by a guy who posts under the pseudonym ( Casey's Dad ). He has many doctored Clinton videos on YouTube that display his hate for her.

And your assertion here is that this is a reliable source with reliable documentation of Hillary's activities. It's a hatchet job. And I want to see proof SIG, proof, that Hillary tried to have this video banned. After all that is your threads accretion. First by Casey's Dad and then by you. That she tried to ban this video because it was a bomb shell that would wreck her. Instead it provides us with insights into how much she is hated by this guy. And therefore you because you reposted it.

Your post provides us with many insights about you as well. First and foremost, you are stupid. Another is you have an agenda and it's the same as the guys who created the video.

I await your proof SIG.



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Friday, October 7, 2016 5:12 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Get back on that horse Trump.

Worship heroes much? Thousands of years ago Plato saw the same bullshit from people like you toward people like Trump. It is no surprise that Plato is still remembered because he warned the world against future Trumps.

For Plato, democracy suffered from the basic defect of putting decision-making in the hands of people who were not competent to decide. Politics was a skill – and most people were simply clueless. Worse, that made them prey for hucksters and demagogues who would promise the earth and get away with it. Democracy was fertile ground for fantasists with a taste for power. If you tell the people that up is down, and the people believe you, then who is going to let them know that they are wrong?

These fears have never really gone away, and they reassert themselves at times of political crisis. In the 1920s, the American political commentator Walter Lippmann updated Plato for the 20th century by arguing that modern citizens simply lacked the mental capacity to process the information needed for intelligent decision-making. Lippmann had worked in American propaganda during the first world war and had seen at first hand just how easy it was to manipulate public opinion.

“It is no longer possible,” he wrote, “to believe in the original dogma of democracy: that the knowledge needed for the management of human affairs comes up spontaneously from the human heart.” People will vote on the basis of anything that grabs their attention in a passing moment, filtered by whatever deep prejudices they harbour beneath the surface. Evidence means little to the average voter; reasoned argument means even less.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/05/trump-brexit-education-gap-te
aring-politics-apart


If Plato and Lippmann were alive, they'd mock you and kick Trump's ass.



Very insightful SECOND. Populism is a political ideology that holds that virtuous citizens are mistreated by a small circle of elites, who can be overthrown if the people recognize the danger and work together. Populism depicts elites as trampling on the rights, values, and voice of the legitimate people. Populist movements are found in many democratic nations. Apparently you also have to be somewhat intelligent to recognize it when it is happening.

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 1:44 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, you agree with second, who agrees with Plato, that ordinary people shouldn't be allowed to participate in governance because they're too stupid? You, and second, and Plato, believe in a rule of the elites and not in democracy?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 1:49 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Clinton Stokes Fears Of Russians Coming To The Baltics, When They're Actually Leaving
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/02/07/hillary-clinton-stoke
s-the-baltics-fear-of-russia/#562d6b459e89


I don’t do tanks and missile launch pads. So I don’t know if Russia has amassed heavy artillery along the borders of the three Baltic states. But if that is the case, then it is also true that NATO has done the same. In fact, in the Grand Chessboard of Eastern Europe, NATO has been a first mover with new missile bases in another Baltic seaside country — Poland.

Everyone is looking for a fight with the Russians. One wonders why. Maybe if you want the war on terrorism all to yourself, from its boogeymen (both real and imagined) to its useful idiots, then you don’t want the Russian government to take part in that. You don’t want them to succeed. So you demonize. You say the migrants are leaving Syria because of Russian bombs, not American ones.

(And then) ex-Latvian president Vaira Vike Frieberga said Russia did not respect the rights of citizens in her country, and throughout the Baltics. Frieberga and her neighbor states are worried about the Russians, to be sure. But they are not spending money on their own military to protect them from this pending Russian invasion. ... This doesn’t sound like a nation that is truly panic-stricken about Russia.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 6:16 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh Hillary, Hillary, Hillary ...

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 6:19 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIG you just backed this video with your credibility. It was posted by a guy who posts under the pseudonym ( Casey's Dad ). He has many doctored Clinton videos on YouTube that display his hate for her.

And your assertion here is that this is a reliable source with reliable documentation of Hillary's activities. It's a hatchet job. And I want to see proof SIG, proof, that Hillary tried to have this video banned ... and more ludicrous yada yada from THUGR!



It was not compiled by Casey's dad, whoever that is, but by anonymous. And instead of plugging your ears with your fingers and chanting nyah nyah nyah I can't hear you (again), and instead of attacking the "source", why don't you try addressing the content? Because these are all DIRECT quotes from Hillary.

Do you have a problem with them?

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 8:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SIG you just backed this video with your credibility. It was posted by a guy who posts under the pseudonym ( Casey's Dad ). He has many doctored Clinton videos on YouTube that display his hate for her.

And your assertion here is that this is a reliable source with reliable documentation of Hillary's activities. It's a hatchet job. And I want to see proof SIG, proof, that Hillary tried to have this video banned ... and more ludicrous yada yada from THUGR!



It was not compiled by Casey's dad, whoever that is, but by anonymous. And instead of plugging your ears with your fingers and chanting nyah nyah nyah I can't hear you (again), and instead of attacking the "source", why don't you try addressing the content? Because these are all DIRECT quotes from Hillary.

Do you have a problem with them?



While I await your link to anonymous posting the video, I expect to see your evidence for your other contention. That Hillary tried to get this video banned.




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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you agree with second, who agrees with Plato, that ordinary people shouldn't be allowed to participate in governance because they're too stupid? You, and second, and Plato, believe in a rule of the elites and not in democracy?

Frequently, politicians, and many ordinary Americans, refer to the United States as a democracy. Plato would find this aggravating because, unlike in a democracy where citizens vote directly on laws, in the United States, elected representatives do – and, therefore, the U.S. is a republic. Now onto lessons about a Republic: The lesson of Hillary’s secret speeches is she’s exactly who we already knew she was

www.vox.com/2016/10/7/13207286/clinton-speech-transcripts-wikileaks-em
ail


“You need both a public and a private position,” Hillary Clinton apparently told the National Multi-Family Housing Council in private remarks in 2013.

That’s a potentially embarrassing thing for a politician to say. So much so, in fact, that even Clinton’s team thought so. That’s why Tony Carrk, one of the leaders of her campaign’s research department, flagged it in an email to John Podesta and other senior leaders on the campaign. The bad news for them is the email itself got hacked, so now instead of the campaign being internally well-informed about what potentially embarrassing things Clinton said in the past now all of those things are out in public for everyone to read.

Facing pressure from Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign to release the text of the various closed-press paid speeches she’d given between stepping down as Secretary of State and formally beginning her 2016 presidential campaign, Clinton’s team conducted an internal audit of what excerpts from the speeches they thought would make good hits for hostile opposition researchers.

There is obviously a profound irony in a politician getting in trouble because her private position in favor of politicians taking private positions is now out in public. It’s a bad look. And yet it’s one that contains considerable merit — and also one that it’s in no way genuinely surprising to learn that Clinton holds. That’s just one except contained in the email but it’s really the story of the entire dump. The secret that is revealed is exactly the thing everyone already most clearly knows about Clinton — she’s a veteran political insider who likes to see all the angles and make her play accordingly, not a reformer who’s going to show up and clean house.

Amidst all the other remarkable aspects of the 2016 campaign, this is a thread that tends to get lost but Clinton is asking the American people to do something they almost never do — admit that the American political system fundamentally is what it is, and so you might as well elect someone who’s good at operating in it rather than dream of someone who’s going to show up and clean up the mess in Washington. Fundamentally, the only message of the secret speeches is that Clinton is exactly who we thought she was — someone who’s been around a long time, someone who knows a lot of stuff, someone who’s cozy with the established players, and someone who doesn’t really embrace good government pieties.

You can make of this what you will — I personally find it kind of charming but most Americans seem not to — but like it or not it’s worth admitting to yourself that peeling back further layers of the onion and delving into deeper realms of secrecy isn’t going to teach us much of anything new about her.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 10:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you agree with second, who agrees with Plato, that ordinary people shouldn't be allowed to participate in governance because they're too stupid? You, and second, and Plato, believe in a rule of the elites and not in democracy?



Nope, just that all should be educated about populism and politicians who do not provide details of policy, and instead provide simplistic responses to questions designed to prey on people's emotions.

I am sure you have had many discussions on these threads that included populism yet you still don't understand the concept. What's up with that?

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SIG you just backed this video with your credibility. It was posted by a guy who posts under the pseudonym ( Casey's Dad ). He has many doctored Clinton videos on YouTube that display his hate for her.

And your assertion here is that this is a reliable source with reliable documentation of Hillary's activities. It's a hatchet job. And I want to see proof SIG, proof, that Hillary tried to have this video banned ... and more ludicrous yada yada from THUGR!



It was not compiled by Casey's dad, whoever that is, but by anonymous. And instead of plugging your ears with your fingers and chanting nyah nyah nyah I can't hear you (again), and instead of attacking the "source", why don't you try addressing the content? Because these are all DIRECT quotes from Hillary.

Do you have a problem with them?



While I await your link to anonymous posting the video, I expect to see your evidence for your other contention. That Hillary tried to get this video banned.




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Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:47 PM

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On September 28 Comey seemed a little unhappy that Congressmen were pointing out that he was just Hilliary's Bitch and gave her a pass on her crimes.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?415887-1/fbi-director-james-comey-testif
ies-oversight-hearing


Or how obvious it was that he is a weasel:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/politics/james-comey-congress-hearing-we
asel
/

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/09/28/fbi-director-james-comey-testifi
es-about-hillary-clinton-email-house-oversight-hearing


And this one has some zing:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-28/fbi-director-comey-takes-stan
d-again-answer-handing-out-immunity-agreements-candy




Since every reasonable person understands that she lied, let us just elect her President, as the Genitalia Candidate!

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While I await your link SIG showing anonymous posted the video, I expect to see your evidence for your other contention. That Hillary tried to get this video banned.






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Wednesday, October 19, 2016 8:05 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


A video by a Democrat, posted by a Democrat, reminding Democrats that:
Democrats are in trouble even if Hillary wins.


The Democratic Party is in much greater peril at the state level than its leaders or its supporters recognize. And it will get worse unless Hillary becomes wildly popular two years from now. How likely do you think that will be? Answer: Presidents only get less popular at midterm elections.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:02 PM

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2 Different Polls Say Clinton Won Final Debate

Hillary Clinton won the third presidential debate over Donald Trump, according to two polls, completing a clean sweep of the three face-to-face contests and putting herself in a strong position with just 19 days left to go before the election.

A pair of scientific polls conducted at the conclusion of Wednesday's clash in Las Vegas found the Democratic nominee was judged the winner by people who tuned in to watch.

A CNN/ORC poll found 52 percent of viewers deemed Clinton the winner of the debate, compared to 39 percent who said Trump came away victorious.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-10-20/hillary-clinto
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I'll point out something else G. The title of this thread is "Hillary Clinton: Every single thing she said proved to be false". Apparently SIG and 1kiki don't like fact checkers. Every debate the fact checkers had Trump as being by far the biggest liar.

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