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Sunday, October 9, 2016 4:00 PM

THGRRI


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Do you even hear yourself anymore? Here you are, instead of trying to change American cruelty, using "their" cruelty to justify yours. Doesn't that make YOU cruel, too?



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We are in approximate agreement. Now let me get back to being cruel and kicking old, fat, lecherous Trump while he is down





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Sunday, October 9, 2016 5:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR
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You both bash America and our allies too propagate Putin's agenda of undermining democracy.
I love America and I love democracy, which is why it pains me so much to see both America and democracy abused on behalf of international consortia and war-mongers. Apparently you're willing to sell Americans down the river for the benefit of others. You're such a tool.

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They are speaking from their hearts, not from their bank accounts filled with $1,000,000 of Trump money
If these women knew who you were, they should sue you for libel. You're a libelous, old, hateful, mean-spirited harpy. You think NOTHING of lying and making shit up out of whole cloth. Now we know how supportive you are of women. Just like Hillary, your hero, who would rather get rid of Assad even if it means consigning entire generations of Syrian women to wahhabist slavery.



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Sunday, October 9, 2016 5:36 PM

SIGNYM

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A: And then as he points over my shoulder, he grabs me and turns me to him. And that was a shock. And I tried to push him away. And I only weighed about 120 pounds at that time. He was a very large man. And I kept telling him, “No. I don’t want this at all.”

And he grabbed me again, very forcefully. And started biting on my top lip. And this was extremely painful. I thought he was going to bite my lip off. And that’s when he pushed me back onto the bed.

Q:He bit you at the top of your lip. He pushed you onto the bed. And then what happened?

A: It’s been so long and it is just so hard to go into. I need to stop.
(crying)
You, know, why? Why is it still so painful?
(crying)

Q: What is going through your mind right now?

A: That I am afraid of him.

Q:You are still afraid of him?

A: Yes. That I am still afraid. Especially if she becomes president. And I know it’s looking that way. So it’s frightening ... It’s frightening.

I was completely dressed. I had a skirt and a blouse. He tore the waist of my skirt. And then he ripped my pantyhose. And he raped me. It was very vicious. I was just pinned down… I did not know what to do. I was so frightened. I was only 35 at the time. And it was horrible. I just wanted it to be over with. So he would go away.

Q: He got up?

A: No, he held me down for a long time. And then he did it again. I was so ready for him to leave me alone. When he started raping me again. And it was very brief… And he did get up and he straightened himself. And my mouth was bleeding and it was hurting. And he just straightens himself and goes to the door.

Q: With you still on the bed?

A: Yes, crying. He straightens himself and he goes to the door. And puts on his sunglasses. And tells me to get some ice on that on my lip. And goes out the door. He would push down on my left clavicle and it hurt so much I thought my clavicle was gonna break. And my lip was just ballooning out four times the size that it should have been.

Q: While he was raping you?

A: Yes.




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Sunday, October 9, 2016 5:41 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR
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You both bash America and our allies too propagate Putin's agenda of undermining democracy.
I love America and I love democracy, which is why it pains me so much to see both America and democracy abused on behalf of international consortia and war-mongers. Apparently you're willing to sell Americans down the river for the benefit of others. You're such a tool.

Just like Hillary, your hero, who would rather get rid of Assad even if it means consigning entire generations of Syrian women to wahhabist slavery.




laughable comrade. You speak of your love of America and bash it as you do. You even manage to put Putin's agenda of supporting Assad front and center as you do.





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Sunday, October 9, 2016 5:47 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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A: And then as he points over my shoulder, he grabs me and turns me to him. And that was a shock. And I tried to push him away. And I only weighed about 120 pounds at that time. He was a very large man. And I kept telling him, “No. I don’t want this at all.”

And he grabbed me again, very forcefully. And started biting on my top lip. And this was extremely painful. I thought he was going to bite my lip off. And that’s when he pushed me back onto the bed.

Q:He bit you at the top of your lip. He pushed you onto the bed. And then what happened?

A: It’s been so long and it is just so hard to go into. I need to stop.
(crying)
You, know, why? Why is it still so painful?
(crying)

Q: What is going through your mind right now?

A: That I am afraid of him.

Q:You are still afraid of him?

A: Yes. That I am still afraid. Especially if she becomes president. And I know it’s looking that way. So it’s frightening ... It’s frightening.

I was completely dressed. I had a skirt and a blouse. He tore the waist of my skirt. And then he ripped my pantyhose. And he raped me. It was very vicious. I was just pinned down… I did not know what to do. I was so frightened. I was only 35 at the time. And it was horrible. I just wanted it to be over with. So he would go away.

Q: He got up?

A: No, he held me down for a long time. And then he did it again. I was so ready for him to leave me alone. When he started raping me again. And it was very brief… And he did get up and he straightened himself. And my mouth was bleeding and it was hurting. And he just straightens himself and goes to the door.

Q: With you still on the bed?

A: Yes, crying. He straightens himself and he goes to the door. And puts on his sunglasses. And tells me to get some ice on that on my lip. And goes out the door. He would push down on my left clavicle and it hurt so much I thought my clavicle was gonna break. And my lip was just ballooning out four times the size that it should have been.

Q: While he was raping you?

A: Yes.






Not going to defend Bill Clinton but I am going to remind you he is not running against Trump, Hillary is. Next I would point out the difference between Bill and Donald is that Bill except for a consensual affair with Monica had to deal with accusations. Donald by his own admission is a serial offender. Almost all Hillary's adds and negative assertions about Donald is him speaking in his own words. One of many facts that is lost to you. It also appears that Donald in his own words has preyed on women constantly and for decades.

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 5:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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You both bash America and our allies too propagate Putin's agenda of undermining democracy. - THUGR

I love America and I love democracy, which is why it pains me so much to see both America and democracy abused on behalf of international consortia and war-mongers. Apparently you're willing to sell Americans down the river for the benefit of others. You're such a tool.

(TO 2ND) Just like Hillary, your hero, who would rather get rid of Assad even if it means consigning entire generations of Syrian women to wahhabist slavery.

laughable comrade. You speak of your love of America and bash it as you do. You even manage to put Putin's agenda of supporting Assad front and center as you do. - THUGR



I happen to know a Syrian Xtian. He was QUITE CLEAR that in the view of Syrian minorities, the anti-Assad elements were going to install a hardline wahhabist theocracy. Is that what you want: Women put in cages on top of buildings to prevent an airstrike? Women put in cages and burned alive? Women taken in conquest and traded hand-to-hand? Women stoned to death in "honor killings"? Women denied citizenship, education, and independent decision-making authority? Is that your goal?

I don't criticize "America" and you have NEVER been able to find any post where I have.

I've criticized our constant wars of aggression: Are you FOR them?
I've criticized having tyrannical allies or even putting them in palce: Are you FOR tyrannies?
I've criticized our banking structure, where they get to make up money out of thin air that we have to sweat for: Are you FOR the banks?
I've criticized the non-transparent operation of our entire government, which hides what it does and lies to its citizens, the very antithesis of democracy: Are you FOR a government that looks like China's?
I've criticized our government's snooping and spying on anyone and everyone, the vast majority of the innocent as well as the guilty, a clear violation of our Constitutional rights: Are you FOR shredding the Constitution?

As far as "Russia's interests", you have not once been able to articulate what those are. As a matter of fact, you have never answered these questions, even though they've been asked over a dozen times:

WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS? and
HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?



Do you even KNOW what you stand for?

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:09 PM

THGRRI


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I happen to know a Syrian Xtian.



Stop asshole, I wish I has a nickel every time I've seen you post about first hand knowledge on a topic. Besides what you claim is anecdotal.

As for the last of your post that puts forth questions about Russia. I will find and bump your thread about a discussion on Russia.


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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, if I link a site, you reject that. If I refer to an actual person with first-hand knowledge, you reject that.

I'm going to describe my denouement about Syria. BTW, I have referred to this young man before, so this nothing new:

When the first protests started in Syria, I hesitatingly asked Malek (that was his name) I suppose that you're happy with the pro-democracy movement in Syria?" and he, literally, flinched and turned towards me with a look of shock and disappointment on his face, and then very patiently explained to me how all of the Syrian minorities looked on Assad as their protector because Assad, himself, was a minority (Alawite).

I heard the same thing in NPR just a few days ago; in interview a Syrian Xtian was explaining how all of the coverage is focused on the salafists, and every time they even reference the pro-government portions of the country the people are always dehumanized. As as an example, he referenced a destructive strike on ... I forget the name ... and said it was referred to as an "Assad stronghold" as if it were a military target when it was just civilians.

Not too surprisingly, I can't find a reference to that detailed interview, which was on KPCC in LA. But here is the same thing from another site:

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"The problem I have with the media is they only cover the suffering of the people in those rebel-held areas," he says. "When they do cover the suffering of the government-held areas, they dehumanize the people."

Beshara thinks US media outlets consistently ignore rebel attacks on the outskirts of Damascus, including indiscriminate shelling of neighborhoods, injuring non-combatants. He argues that last May, when ISIS forces went on a bombing spree that killed more than 70 people in the coastal cities of Tartus and Jableh, the Western media coverage was muted.

"Essentially, all the news outlets described the people that were bombed in these places as being in an 'Assad stronghold,'" he says. "It sounds like a military target, like they're bombing a military base, like they're bombing 'Assad's people.' When in reality they're bombing ordinary civilians like me and you trying to go along with their everyday life."

Beshara's relatives in Syria are Christian. He worries about his extended family and friends living through the conflict there.

"If the Islamists take over, then all the religious minorities in Syria will be oppressed, they'll be second class citizens," he says. "I wish for the Syrian people to get the greatest chance at liberty and that's not going to happen with this revolution and Islamic rebels."

Beshara says he is not an Assad supporter, although he supports the army and views the vast majority of rebels as "terrorists."

"My hope for Syria is that it can create a national unity government, and guarantee a constitution where everyone has equal rights and pure secularism," he says. "When it's secular, it won't be like Saudi Arabia, where a woman can't even drive for example, and where Christians are clearly second class citizens."



http://kbia.org/post/syrian-american-says-western-media-puts-too-much-
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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:34 PM

SIGNYM

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As for the last of your post that puts forth questions about Russia. I will find and bump your thread about a discussion on Russia.
It's the same questions, asked over and over in different ways.

WHAT ARE AMERICA's INTERESTS? and

HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

Oh, and BTW- please find those posts where I try to "undermine democracy". POST THEM, you lying sack of shit, of STFU.


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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:40 PM

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As for the last of your post that puts forth questions about Russia. I will find and bump your thread about a discussion on Russia.
It's the same questions, asked over and over in different ways.

WHAT ARE AMERICA's INTERESTS? and

HOW DOES RUSSIA THREATEN THEM?

Oh, and BTW- please find those posts where I try to "undermine democracy". POST THEM, you lying sack of shit, of STFU.




The thread speaks for itself and I just bumped it. Go there and refresh your memory because it is obliviously failing you.

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, and just so another lying sack of shit doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

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They are speaking from their hearts, not from their bank accounts filled with $1,000,000 of Trump money


If these women knew who you were, they should sue you for libel. You're a libelous, old, hateful, mean-spirited harpy. You think NOTHING of lying and making shit up out of whole cloth. Now we know how supportive you are of women. Just like Hillary, your hero, who would rather get rid of Assad even if it means consigning entire generations of Syrian women to wahhabist slavery.


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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:43 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, and just so another lying sack of shit doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

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They are speaking from their hearts, not from their bank accounts filled with $1,000,000 of Trump money


If these women knew who you were, they should sue you for libel. You're a libelous, old, hateful, mean-spirited harpy. You think NOTHING of lying and making shit up out of whole cloth. Now we how supportive you are of women. Just like Hillary, your hero, who would rather get rid of Assad even if it means consigning entire generations of Syrian women to wahhabist slavery.




Hey SECOND. She said the very same thing about me. I'll wear it as a badge that she said it about me first.

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:52 PM

SIGNYM

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Hey SECOND. She said the very same thing about me. I'll wear it as a badge that she said it about me first.
Do you have a reading disability? There were two distinct responses there. One was to you, and THIS was not it!

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, and just so another lying sack of shit doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

SECOND
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They are speaking from their hearts, not from their bank accounts filled with $1,000,000 of Trump money


If these women knew who you were, they should sue you for libel. You're a libelous, old, hateful, mean-spirited harpy. You think NOTHING of lying and making shit up out of whole cloth. Now we know how supportive you are of women. Just like Hillary, your hero, who would rather get rid of Assad even if it means consigning entire generations of Syrian women to wahhabist slavery.

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 6:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



It is not hate. It is indifference. Americans are indifferent about dead foreigners killed by the USA's military.


I'm sure you have a cite for that, second. Not that you've ever made anything up or misrepresented things ...

So, speaking of not you addressing things I posted because, ah - you were wrong - again - I'm going to go on the assumption that you've abandoned the claim that the election predictions are precarious at this point. And that you've abandoned the claim that it's had such wild swings because people are sheep, and not because that's what predictions do early in any election cycle, as explained by 538.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, October 9, 2016 7:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So everybody - keep posting about Emmanuel Goldste... I mean Trump. Just let me know if you're curious who your next target is going to be, or if you need help remembering who your old ones were. Hey, here's a puzzle for you - Wasn't there a guy named Mubarek somewhere in there?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, October 10, 2016 1:51 AM

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Good points all, I especially like #3.


SGG


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Originally posted by DEVERSE:
Defending Trump because he is a "man's man" (the Republican view).

1. What he did 10 years ago is not important, let's focus on what Clinton did 20 years ago.
2. What he did 10 years ago is just being used as a distraction to the real issues of the election, let's talk about what Clinton did 20 years ago because that isn't a distraction.
3. Don't judge him on what he did 10 years ago, we need to judge Clinton on what her husband did 20 years ago.
4. He made those comments when he was a Democrat.
5. Bill Clinton has said worse things, so its OK for Trump to say slightly less offensive things.
6. He's a changed man from 10 years ago because he is so respectful of women now, like Rosie O'Donnell, Gail Collins, Megyn Kelly and Alicia Machado.

Besides, he apologized and that makes everything OK now.


Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been


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Monday, October 10, 2016 3:51 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.







Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, October 10, 2016 7:23 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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So everybody - keep posting about Emmanuel Goldste... I mean Trump. Just let me know if you're curious who your next target is going to be . . .

Billy Bush.

“Today” co-anchor Billy Bush has been suspended by NBC News in light of his role in the leaked recording of his lewd conversation with Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

“I know we've all been deeply troubled by the revelations of the past 48 hours,” Noah Oppenheim, senior vice president in charge of “Today,” said in a memo to staffers. “Let me be clear -- there is simply no excuse for Billy's language and behavior on that tape, NBC has decided to suspend Billy, pending further review of this matter.”

The decision comes after a weekend in which audio of Bush exchanging sexist remarks with Trump ran in heavy rotation on cable news.

“Today” 9 a.m. co-host Al Roker, who was scheduled to be off for the week due to a medical issue, is now coming in for Monday’s program to join co-host Tamron Hall.

NBC News executives initially said Saturday that there are no plans to suspend or fire Bush over the leaked conversation that took place before he and Trump taped a 2005 segment for “Access Hollywood.”

But the situation now appears to be fluid.

www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-st-bush-trump-toda
y-20161008-snap-story.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 10, 2016 7:42 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Oh, and just so another lying sack of shit doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

SECOND
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They are speaking from their hearts, not from their bank accounts filled with $1,000,000 of Trump money


If these women knew who you were, they should sue you for libel. You're a libelous, old, hateful, mean-spirited harpy. You think NOTHING of lying and making shit up out of whole cloth. Now we know how supportive you are of women. Just like Hillary, your hero . . .

You are right about me being mean spirited. You are wrong about my target. It is not women as my target. It is Republicans. There are woman-Republicans, so it does get confusing who I am shooting at.

I did notice this morning that one of the Republican women attacking Hillary took $850,000 to break off her highly-principled-and-in-no-way-connected-to-either-money-or-politics attack on Bill Clinton. In April 1998, the case was dismissed by Republican Judge Susan Webber Wright as lacking legal merit. On appeal, in the midst of his trial for impeachment based on his testimony in the Jones case, Clinton was faced with the prospect of having to go under oath again and testify more about his sexual history. Instead, Clinton agreed to an out-of-court settlement, paying Jones and her lawyers $850,000 to drop the suit.
http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/11/18/jones/

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Monday, October 10, 2016 8:32 AM

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I did notice this morning that one of the Republican women attacking Hillary took $850,000 to break off her highly-principled-and-in-no-way-connected-to-either-money-or-politics attack on Bill Clinton. In April 1998, the case was dismissed by Republican Judge Susan Webber Wright as lacking legal merit. On appeal, in the midst of his trial for impeachment based on his testimony in the Jones case, Clinton was faced with the prospect of having to go under oath again and testify more about his sexual history. Instead, Clinton agreed to an out-of-court settlement, paying Jones and her lawyers $850,000 to drop the suit.


SO, FIRST OF ALL, IT WASN'T "TRUMP MONEY". You should apologize to Paula Jones, and Trump, and all of other women victims that you insinuated were somehow paid off by Trump. You're such a bitch, SECOND; didja know that? Your ethics are being warped by your bias.

And in a further development in the case

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In April 1999, Judge Wright found Clinton in civil contempt of court for misleading testimony in the Jones case. She ordered Clinton to pay $1,202 to the court and an additional $90,000 to Jones's lawyers for expenses incurred, far less than the $496,000 that the lawyers originally requested.

Wright then referred Clinton's conduct to the Arkansas Bar for disciplinary action, and on January 19, 2001, the day before Clinton left the office of president, he entered into an agreement with the Arkansas Bar and Independent Counsel Robert Ray under which Clinton was stripped of his license to practice law in Arkansas for a period of five years. His fine was paid from a fund raised for his legal expenses.



So Bill Clinton was found in contempt of court for providing misleading evidence (He could have been charged with perjury instead, which means he got a break.), FINED, and temporarily disbarred.

I see that some of these "fact checking" websites http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016
/10/bill-clinton-paula-jones-settlement-fine-229460
claim that Bill Clinton was "not fined", he "settled" the case. But the reality is, BOTH happened, and in addition he was disbarred

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Monday, October 10, 2016 8:36 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

You are right about me being mean spirited. You are wrong about my target. It is not women as my target. It is Republicans. There are woman-Republicans, so it does get confusing who I am shooting at.


Well, there is the source of your error, right there.

You are so biased you can't even tell where that little story that you tell yourself about the "good guys" and "bad guys" departs from reality.

You don't do yourself, or anyone else, any favors by being religious (ie believing, not asking questions) about your view of the world. Yes, Republicans are quite often evil. But somewhere in since Jimmy Carter, Democrats have parted ways with representing the little guy.

Oh, they'll do things like support gay marriage, but if it INTERFERES WITH GETTING DONATIONS FROM THE WEALTHY, they'll fade like a newspaper in the sun. That's been Obama's mantra since he was elected, which is why we have the nightmare that is Obamacare.

Seriously, the guy had a fucking mandate, a Democratic Congress, and a historic moment, and he totally bobbled his once-in-a-century oppty. What a loser.


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You are so biased you can't even tell where that little story that you tell yourself about the "good guys" and "bad guys" departs from reality . . . which is why we have the nightmare that is Obamacare.

And the winner is Melania Trump wearing a $1,100 Gucci 'Pussy Bow' Shirt to the Debate. No more comment, and I am unanimous in that.
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Monday, October 10, 2016 10:55 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, now THAT was relevant! Not.

Interestingly, when you bring a pigeon within sight of something it really wants (seed) and something it's afraid of (cat) it will often do irrelevant things, like turn circles or preen its feathers.



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?



Who are you afraid Hillary is going to start a war with?

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Monday, October 10, 2016 11:12 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Billy Bush
Wrong. But I'm going to put this in the predictions thread because you're trying to look clever but you're just looking stupid.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, now THAT was relevant! Not.

Interestingly, when you bring a pigeon within sight of something it really wants (seed) and something it's afraid of (cat) it will often do irrelevant things, like turn circles or preen its feathers.

Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

I think we need more irrelevance. Something similar to tattooing Trump on forehead while wearing Firefly tee-shirt.

www.reddit.com/r/firefly/comments/56sb2g/an_embarrassment_to_firefly_f
ans_worldwide
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Monday, October 10, 2016 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by G:
I remember when Sig first made that stretch (I was like, "where the hell is she getting that?") and then in the next 24 hours I started seeing the same BS Fear statement on Twitter and in Russian papers. The Directive had obviously gone out to all the minions and they had dutifully responded. It must be freeing to just follow orders like they do. (Wait for SNIGGLES to crack wise in 3... 2... 1... )

I was glad to see Frem dismiss that as the rest of us have.



Actually, he didn't dismiss it. What he said pretty much paraphrased what I've been saying - that Hillary is so damn stupid (no lessons learned from Iraq, Libya, Ukraine or Syria! and completely deaf to Putin's warnings) that she'll keep on provoking Russia until she stumbles us into WWIII. God forbid you should understand or honestly portray anything at all.


Originally posted by Frem:
Not half as close as you think, but damn closer than is comfortable, sure.
Neither side actually wants such a confrontation, so it's all mostly dick-waving and puffed up threats, by people too damn stupid to know how fast that can go badly wrong - obviously they've not read a lot of David Drakes work...




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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As many people are pointing out, Republicans now trying to distance themselves from Donald Trump need to explain why The Tape was a breaking point, when so many previous incidents weren’t.

Meanwhile, the Trump-Ailes axis of abuse raises another question: Is sexual predation by senior political figures — which Mr. Ailes certainly was, even if he pretended to be in the journalism business — a partisan phenomenon?

Just to be clear, I’m not talking about bad behavior in general. Yes, Bill Clinton had affairs; but there’s a world of difference between consensual sex, however inappropriate, and abuse of power to force those less powerful to accept your urges.

Take, for example, what was happening politically in 2006, it looked as if Republicans might retain control of Congress despite public revulsion at the Bush administration. But then came the Foley scandal: Representative Mark Foley, had been sending sexually explicit messages to pages, and his party had failed to take any action despite warnings, the scandal seems to have led to a Democratic wave.

But think about how much bigger that wave might have been if voters had known that Dennis Hastert, who had been speaker of the House since 1999, himself had a long history of molesting teenage boys.

Why do all these stories involve Republicans? One answer may be structural. The G.O.P. is, or was until this election, a monolithic, hierarchical institution, in which powerful men could cover up their sins much better than they could in the far looser Democratic coalition.

There is also, I’d suggest, an underlying cynicism. We’re talking about a party that has long exploited white backlash to mobilize working-class voters, while enacting policies that actually hurt those voters but benefit the wealthy. Anyone participating in that scam has to have the sense that politics is a sphere in which you can get away with a lot if you have the right connections.

Assuming that Mr. Trump loses, many Republicans will try to pretend that he was a complete outlier, unrepresentative of the party. But he isn’t. He won the nomination fair and square, chosen by voters who had a pretty good idea of who he was. He had solid establishment support until very late in the game. And his vices are, dare we say, very much in line with his party’s recent tradition.

Mr. Trump, in other words, isn’t so much an anomaly as he is a pure distillation of his party’s modern essence.

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2016/10/paul-krugman-
predators-in-arms.html


Trump/Foley/Hastert/Ailes are not the only ones. They are just the biggest ones. A list of less famous political sex scandals:
http://jesusnorepublican.org/+Reasonable/gopimmorality.html

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In 24 hours, Donald Trump was accused of sexual harassment, assault, or inappropriate behavior 11 times.

http://qz.com/808190/us-presidential-race-donald-trump-was-accused-of-
sexual-harassment-assault-or-inappropriate-behavior-11-times-on-october-12
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Here’s a list of the accusations against Trump that had been made public in the past 24 hours, as of about 1am ET on Oct. 13:

Mariah Billado, former Miss Teen Vermont, and three other women who asked to remain anonymous, told Buzzfeed in an article published Oct. 12 that Trump would walk into the show’s changing room as the participants (all teenagers at the time) were getting dressed for the Miss USA pageant. Billado claims Ivanka Trump, who was the host of the show, was aware of it.

Tasha Dixon, who was Miss Arizona in 2001, told CBS News Trump walked into a dressing room as Miss USA contestants were changing into their bikinis. “There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Other girls were naked.”

An unnamed Miss USA contestant told the Guardian that Trump “barged right in, didn’t say anything, stood there and stared at us” as she and another contestant were getting dressed for a pageant rehearsal.

Mindy McGillivray told the Palm Beach Post on Oct. 12 that she was groped by Trump in his Mar-a-Lago residency.

Jessica Leeds, a businesswoman who sat next to Trump on a flight, remembers him grabbing her breasts and trying to put his hands up her skirt. On Oct. 12, she told the New York Times, “he was like an octopus, his hands were everywhere.”

Rachel Crooks, who was a receptionist in 2005, told the Times she introduced herself to Trump in near an elevator in Trump Tower, and after shaking her hand he wouldn’t let go, and “kissed me directly on the mouth.”

Natasha Stoynoff, a writer for People magazine, said in an article published late Oct. 12 that Trump ushered her into a private room at his Palm Beach estate under the guise of a house tour, and “within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat.”

In a 1992 Entertainment Tonight Christmas special that resurfaced on Oct. 12, Trump is seen calling to a group of young girls in puffy winter coats going up an escalator in Trump Tower. When one turns around, he tells the the camera, “I’ll be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?”

Assuming there are no overlaps between the anonymous Buzzfeed and Guardian sources, that’s 11 accusations of assault, inappropriate conduct, or harassment by Trump in just 24 hours.

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:46 PM

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Is anyone surprised that Signym is supporting a child rapist like Trump?

They shouldn't be.

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:47 PM

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Quote:

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What an unusual and fortuitous coincidence that this video should come out immediately after Trump is in trouble when the video could have been made available anytime in the last 16 years.




He wasn't attempting to be president 16 years ago, if he had it would have been brought up then, too.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/13/donald-trump-called-d
eaf-apprentice-marlee-matlin-retarded.html


Not surprising...

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The New York Times’s Lawyer Responds to Donald Trump
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/13/us/politics/david-mccraw-trump-
letter.html


This is the letter David McCraw, vice president and assistant general counsel of The New York Times, wrote in response to a request from Marc E. Kasowitz, Mr. Trump's lawyer, to retract an article that featured two women accusing Mr. Trump of touching them inappropriately years ago, and issue an apology.

October 13, 2016

VIA ELECTRONIC DELIVERY
Marc E. Kasowitz, Esq.
Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman LLP
1633 Broadway
New York, NY 10019-6799

Re: Demand for Retraction

Dear Mr. Kasowitz:

I write in response to your letter of October 12, 2016 to Dean Baquet concerning your client Donald Trump, the Republican Party nominee for President of the United States. You write concerning our article “Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately” and label the article as “libel per se.” You ask that we “remove it from [our] website, and issue a full and immediate retraction and apology." We decline to do so.

The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one’s reputation. Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host’s request to discuss Mr. Trump’s own daughter as a “piece of ass.” Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump’s unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself.

But there is a larger and much more important point here. The women quoted in our story spoke out on an issue of national importance - indeed, an issue that Mr. Trump himself discussed with the whole nation watching during Sunday night’s presidential debate. Our reporters diligently worked to confirm the women’s accounts. They provided readers with Mr. Trump’s response, including his forceful denial of the women’s reports. It would have been a disservice not just to our readers but to democracy itself to silence their voices. We did what the law allows: We published newsworthy information about a subject of deep public concern. If Mr. Trump disagrees, if he believes that American citizens had no right to hear what these women had to say and that the law of this country forces us and those who would dare to criticize him to stand silent or be punished, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight.

Sincerely,
David E. McCraw

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Protect your Pussy.............Ha!

Great meme!


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:And the winner is Melania Trump wearing a $1,100 Gucci 'Pussy Bow' Shirt to the Debate. No more comment, and I am unanimous in that.


I'm sure they snickered endlessly about that while sipping champagne.



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Allow me to translate the message sent to the Hump's lawyers:

"I triple dog dare ya!"


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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The New York Times’s Lawyer Responds to Donald Trump
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/13/us/politics/david-mccraw-trump-
letter.html


This is the letter David McCraw, vice president and assistant general counsel of The New York Times, wrote in response to a request from Marc E. Kasowitz, Mr. Trump's lawyer, to retract an article that featured two women accusing Mr. Trump of touching them inappropriately years ago, and issue an apology.

October 13, 2016

VIA ELECTRONIC DELIVERY
Marc E. Kasowitz, Esq.
Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman LLP
1633 Broadway
New York, NY 10019-6799

Re: Demand for Retraction

Dear Mr. Kasowitz:

I write in response to your letter of October 12, 2016 to Dean Baquet concerning your client Donald Trump, the Republican Party nominee for President of the United States. You write concerning our article “Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately” and label the article as “libel per se.” You ask that we “remove it from [our] website, and issue a full and immediate retraction and apology." We decline to do so.

The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one’s reputation. Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host’s request to discuss Mr. Trump’s own daughter as a “piece of ass.” Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump’s unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself.

But there is a larger and much more important point here. The women quoted in our story spoke out on an issue of national importance - indeed, an issue that Mr. Trump himself discussed with the whole nation watching during Sunday night’s presidential debate. Our reporters diligently worked to confirm the women’s accounts. They provided readers with Mr. Trump’s response, including his forceful denial of the women’s reports. It would have been a disservice not just to our readers but to democracy itself to silence their voices. We did what the law allows: We published newsworthy information about a subject of deep public concern. If Mr. Trump disagrees, if he believes that American citizens had no right to hear what these women had to say and that the law of this country forces us and those who would dare to criticize him to stand silent or be punished, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight.

Sincerely,
David E. McCraw


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Trump's Defense: His Accusers Are Too Ugly to Molest

Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican nominee for the presidency of the United States:

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/trumps-defense-gropegate-accuse
rs-too-ugly-molest


Trump calling Bill Clinton a rapist and arguing that Hillary is the beneficiary of a vast international banking conspiracy are not efforts to reassure college educated women that Trump is not an unstable boor.

What Trump is trying to do, primarily, is convince people who are already on his side that his looming defeat is not his fault. It’s the media’s fault for publishing false testimony. It is the women's fault for being too ugly to touch. It’s Crooked Hillary’s fault. Trump’s aim is to convince rank-and-file conservatives that someone — not Trump — is to blame. Whatever he’s planning next — whether it’s Trump TV or a political career for Donald Trump Jr. or a new line of Trump-branded manufactured homes — he needs to go to war to preserve his reputation.

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“It terrifies me and it should terrify all women,” Jones stated about Hillary’s presidential ambitions.

“It should terrify all men and women,” Willey added. “She will annihilate any enemy. All of her enemies. Anybody who has spoken against her. Across the board for I don’t know how many years. She will get rid of them.”

“No woman who advocates for women attacks the victims of sexual assault be it by her husband or anybody else,” said Willey.

The women argued that the term “enabler” best describes Hillary Clinton’s role in her husband’s alleged sexual crimes.

“There is not a better word for any of this,” stated Broaddrick. “Especially when she threatened me personally.”

Willey added, “She is complicit in everything that he has done.”




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I was talking with a few Canadians over lunch last Thursday and one suggested that the Republicans just concede the election to Hillary because of what Trump is saying.

Then an American, I know that has lived in Canada for many years when I told him that suggested that the Republicans just pull Trump and run his VP as the Presidential candidate.

What do you all think? I think the first one is a good idea but maybe the second one could work as well.



Too late, people started early voting a week ago.

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Quote:

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“It terrifies me and it should terrify all women,” Jones stated about Hillary’s presidential ambitions.

“It should terrify all men and women,” Willey added. “She will annihilate any enemy. All of her enemies. Anybody who has spoken against her. Across the board for I don’t know how many years. She will get rid of them.”

“No woman who advocates for women attacks the victims of sexual assault be it by her husband or anybody else,” said Willey.

The women argued that the term “enabler” best describes Hillary Clinton’s role in her husband’s alleged sexual crimes.

“There is not a better word for any of this,” stated Broaddrick. “Especially when she threatened me personally.”

Willey added, “She is complicit in everything that he has done.”




You mean Alex Jones right

Alexander Emerick "Alex" Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American radio show host, documentary filmmaker, writer, and conspiracy theorist. He hosts The Alex Jones Show from Austin, Texas, which airs on the Genesis Communications Network and shortwave station WWCR across the United States and online.

Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his statements about gun control in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. He has accused the U.S. government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology. He says that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria". Jones has described himself as a libertarian, paleoconservative and an "aggressive constitutionalist". Jones has been described by others as a pro-Russian propagandist,[21] conservative, a right-wing conspiracy theorist, and a libertarian.


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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts that this was old news 20 years ago ...

News from 21st Century. Well, actually from this week!:

Trump on Friday charged that the women accusing him of sexual misconduct fabricated their stories to damage his campaign after two more women came forward with allegations that he had groped them.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKBN12E1CK

At his last event of the day on Friday, in Charlotte, Trump suggested that his accusers were fabricating their stories for publicity or to damage his campaign. "It's not hard to find a small handful of people willing to make false smears," he said.

Trump said the women may be motivated for financial reasons or political reasons or "the simple reason they want to stop our movement."

Trump had been promising that he would soon provide information showing the allegations against him were false.

Trump, 70, mocked Leeds on Friday. "Believe me, she would not be my first choice, that I can tell you," he said.

The New York Post reported that Anthony Gilberthorpe contacted the Trump campaign after Leeds went public with her story, and said he was sitting near Leeds and Trump in first class on the same flight.

"I was there, I was in a position to know that what she said was wrong, wrong, wrong," said Gilberthorpe, who is now 54 and would have been a teenager at the time.

Gilberthorpe is known in Britain for his claims that he provided underage boys to British politicians for sex parties in the 1980s.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140812194717/http://www.private-eye.co.u
k/sections.php?section_link=street_of_shame


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Originally posted by 1kiki:
“It terrifies me and it should terrify all women,” Jones stated about Hillary’s presidential ambitions.

“It should terrify all men and women,” Willey added. “She will annihilate any enemy. All of her enemies. Anybody who has spoken against her. Across the board for I don’t know how many years. She will get rid of them.”

“No woman who advocates for women attacks the victims of sexual assault be it by her husband or anybody else,” said Willey.

The women argued that the term “enabler” best describes Hillary Clinton’s role in her husband’s alleged sexual crimes.

“There is not a better word for any of this,” stated Broaddrick. “Especially when she threatened me personally.”

Willey added, “She is complicit in everything that he has done.”


Originally posted by THGRRI:

You mean Alex Jones right

Alexander Emerick "Alex" Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American radio show host, documentary filmmaker, writer, and conspiracy theorist. He hosts The Alex Jones Show from Austin, Texas, which airs on the Genesis Communications Network and shortwave station WWCR across the United States and online.

Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his statements about gun control in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. He has accused the U.S. government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA's secret technology. He says that government and big business have colluded to create a New World Order through "manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria". Jones has described himself as a libertarian, paleoconservative and an "aggressive constitutionalist". Jones has been described by others as a pro-Russian propagandist,[21] conservative, a right-wing conspiracy theorist, and a libertarian.



That would be PAULA Jones - one of the women.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That reporter could have covered an anonymous “Jane Doe” filing a federal lawsuit against Donald Trump, accusing him of raping her in 1994 when she was thirteen years old. The mainstream media ignored the filing.

We are so lucky to be receiving this information. Another coincidence is Trump's campaign chair, Steve Bannon, was at the helm of Breitbart.com the website that made the video. That is no reason to think Trump paid these women. They are speaking from their hearts, not from their bank accounts filled with $1,000,000 of Trump money.

It is not women as my target. It's republicans.
(especially republican-supporting women, second?)

Meanwhile, the Trump-Ailes axis of abuse

Yes, Bill Clinton had affairs; but there’s a world of difference between consensual sex, however inappropriate ...

In 24 hours, Donald Trump was accused of sexual harassment, assault, or inappropriate behavior 11 times.



Bill Clinton's accusers (everything from sexual harassment to groping to attempted rape to rape:
1) Juanita Broaddrick
2) Kathleen Willey
3) Paula Jones
4) Sandra Allen James
5) Eileen Wellstone
6) Carolyn Moffet
7) Carolyn Zercher
8) Gennifer Flowers
9) Helen Dowdy

And that's not counting whatever happened during Bill's many trips on Jeffrey Epstein’s “Lolita Express”.

second - first you claim you don't have a problem with 'women'. And you're quick to believe the many claims by various women against Trump.

But when it comes to claims made by women against Bill and Hillary, suddenly your good will towards women disappears. You claim that the only reason those women said what they said was due to Trump's money - forgetting that those women have been saying the same thing for decades, far before Trump came on the scene - and despite the scorn they've endured FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU through all that time.

And NOW you're saying that their stories doesn't count because they're too old - but those women suddenly making claims NOW about Trump, that also happened years ago, are new enough to matter.

Why do you believe one set of women and credit their importance - but not the other?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 12:45 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Why do you believe one set of women and credit their importance - but not the other?

I believe all these women, both Bill Clinton's and Trump's women. Because of those women, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998. That is why Trump should also be impeached, except he has not yet been elected. Let us avoid the trouble of a trial of Trump in the Senate by not electing him in the first place.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Let us avoid the trouble of a trial of Trump in the Senate by not electing him in the first place.



Impeachment, as you acknowledge, is a trial. Statements are given and evidence is produced. A verdict is reached.

Bill was found guilty at trial.

Trump hasn't had a trial yet.

Are you saying that Bill should be accorded all the benefits of a trial, but Trump should face the standard of 'first the hanging, then the trial'?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Originally posted by second:
I believe all these women, both Bill Clinton's and Trump's women.


I also take it you rescind your previous objections to bill's accusers - which you made at length over a long period of time, in order to dismiss, demean and trivialize the women - that they're republican, their testimony was bought, and that they should be ignored because it was so long ago. And I further assume you won't resort to that again.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:06 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:

Bill was found guilty at trial.

Trump hasn't had a trial yet.

Are you saying that Bill should be accorded all the benefits of a trial, but Trump should face the standard of 'first the hanging, then the trial'?

What??? Bill got an acquittal. As one might expect, the Senate voted along party lines. The Republicans saw Bill as guilty and the Democrats did not agree. Well, there was a Republican from Vermont, Jim Jeffords, voting not guilty. What a traitor to the GOP! He had to quit the GOP and become an Independent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#Acquittal_by
_the_Senate


When it comes time for Trump’s trial in the Senate, voting will be very predictable: it will be along party lines. Rather than have the USA face the shame of having a jury of Senators demonstrating extreme prejudice, let’s all just NOT vote for Trump as President in the first place.

Mr Trump, was the kiss of death consensual?
www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2016/10/16


www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2016/10/16

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:08 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

What??? Bill got an acquittal.
Huh???

As I recall, Bill was impeached. That WAS what happened, correct?

And I see you're resorting to cartoons again.

Yanno, it's funny. When I ask you for YOUR (plural) opinions and YOUR (plural) reasons, I hear *crickets*. Nobody can seem to explain why they have the opinions that they do. Instead, they either troll, or they post what someone else wrote. Hmmm...

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60903&mid=10179
96#1017996

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755




Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


As usual, second resorts to partial truths to support a lie:

After nearly 14 hours of debate, the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, charging him with lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice. Clinton, the second president in American history to be impeached, vowed to finish his term.

I gotta ask, second, when you have to lie, over and over, and get caught, over and over - doesn't that clue you in to the fact you're going down the wrong path?




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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