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Thursday, October 6, 2016 3:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Equal protection under the law, it is the cornerstone of our society and must be adhered to in order for our nation to survive. Some think that the applying the law goes too far protecting evil scum, but it is part and parcel
what distinguishes us from the animals and the rest of the world.

We wouldn't be America without it.


SGG


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Originally posted by second:
The GOP attacks the Constitution.

On Monday, the Republican Party revealed that its new smear campaign against Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine will double as something else: an all-out assault on the United States Constitution.

The ad constitutes a straightforward, unapologetic attack on the Sixth Amendment. With it, the Republican Party can never again claim in good faith to be the party of defending the Constitution.

The Sixth Amendment Assistance of Counsel Clause: “In all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right … to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.” It is a principle of American jurisprudence that it predates the Constitution. John Adams famously defended the British soldiers accused of committing the Boston Massacre, arguing that even the most reviled defendants deserved a strong defense.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:15 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Eighteen years? He paid no taxes?

Are you sure this is standard practice?

No wonder he won’t release his returns.

The bigger the losses, the more he earns.

Airline, Trump U, and casinos

All went belly-up but he knows

Loss is gain. My projection:

He’ll make money from a lost election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 6, 2016 7:46 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


So what kind of businessman is Donald Trump? There have basically been six eras of Trump:

1970s: The Era of Early Failures. Trump breaks into the Manhattan real estate market but racks up loss after loss. He is bailed out by his father.

Early 1980s: The Era of Success. A chastened Trump apparently decides to buckle down and pay attention to work. It's during this period that he puts together the parcels and financing for Trump Tower, one of his most successful projects. This is the briefest of the Trump eras.

Mid 80s/early 90s: The Era of Catastrophic Failure. Trump reverts to form. He negotiates terrible deals for a USFL team, the Plaza Hotel, the Eastern Shuttle, and a yacht he never uses. He obsesses over plans to develop a grandiose project he called Television City, located on 57 acres of land along the Hudson River. But he bungles the deal and loses control. He builds casinos in Atlantic City, but epically mismanages them and loses a huge sum. By 1991 he's broke. He avoids personal bankruptcy partly by browbeating his bankers and partly by pleading for tens of millions of dollars in loans from his father and his siblings.

Mid/late 90s: The Era of Desolation. Trump finally emerges in 1995, no longer broke but no longer all that rich either. His marriage to Marla Maples is heading south, and ends in divorce in 1999. He keeps up a brave public face, but these are bleak years with nothing much to maintain his interest. Then, in 1999, Trump's father dies, followed by his mother in 2000. Trump inherits roughly $70 million or $700 million. Nobody knows.

2000 and beyond: The Era of Golf and Licensing. Building skyscrapers is now out of reach, since no one will lend Trump the kind of scratch that takes. So he starts overpaying for golf courses instead. Beyond that, he finally finds something he's good at: making money from his mouth. He licenses his name to naive developers from overseas who still think he's the king of real estate. He lends his name to a seemingly endless string of penny ante businesses—Trump steaks, Trump vodka, Trump radio—as well as a dodgy assortment of penny-ante scams—Trump University, Trump diets, Trump mortgages. In 2004, he hits the jackpot of random luck when reality king Mark Burnett chooses him to host The Apprentice, a show perfectly suited to Trump's talents for bullying and bombast.

2015-16: The Era of Making America Great Again. You all know this part of the story, right?

www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-federal-income-tax-records-506713

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Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:16 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


To maximize the value of his holdings Trump sold his casinos to people who didn't know real estate tax law. The mom and pop stock investors of the mid-’90s were the perfect suckers, and they bought into the Trump Casino & Hotel Resorts IPO to the tune of $140 million.

The company’s sole asset at the time was the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, and the IPO money was supposed to be reinvested in the Plaza Hotel/Casino. Instead, the new equity paid down debts that Trump had personally guaranteed, meaning that company money was used not to relieve company debt, but a personal debt owed by Trump himself.

Having hooked a parade of marks, Trump next moved money out of the public company and into his pockets: Trump had the company he controlled buy things he owned personally.

The public company bought the Trump Castle casino from Trump, for example, for $490 million, a price that James Sterngold reported at the time “was based on optimistic profit projections and was about $100 million too high.” Trump also paid himself $880,000 for brokering the deal.

Trump received a $7 million pay package in 1996, including a $5 million bonus and a 71% salary increase, despite a more than 70% drop in the shares of Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc. from their high in 1995.

The company’s share price dropped because it was unprofitable. And it was unprofitable because it assumed $1.7 billion in debt as part of its acquisition of formerly Trump-owned enterprises. Trump was, in essence, paying himself a high salary for the trouble of running a company whose main purpose was to take enormous bad debts off Trump’s personal balance sheet and shift them over to the company.

A shareholder who bought $100 of shares in 1995 could sell them for about $4 in 2005. The same investment in MGM Resorts would have increased in value to about $600. Well done, Donald! You are the smartest man in the world for taking advantage of investors!

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/6/13163220/trump-hotels-and-ca
sino-resorts


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Thursday, October 6, 2016 2:29 PM

JO753

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Thanks for the summary, 2nd.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/nation-s-editorial-boards-rej
ect-donald-trump-780209731818


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Friday, October 7, 2016 12:50 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here, let's allow his accountant, Jack Nitmick to explain:


For some reason the Hulu video does not show up.

Shows how a little-known loop hole can be exploited, but only by the rich.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Eighteen years? He paid no taxes?

Are you sure this is standard practice?

No wonder he won’t release his returns.

The bigger the losses, the more he earns.

Airline, Trump U, and casinos

All went belly-up but he knows

Loss is gain. My projection:

He’ll make money from a lost election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Friday, October 7, 2016 9:20 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


In a trenchant, unapologetically centrist essay for The Economist, Barack Obama has urged the next president to shun the “crude populism” being peddled by both the right and the left, and to ensure that the American economy remains open to the world.
www.economist.com/news/briefing/21708216-americas-president-writes-us-
about-four-crucial-areas-unfinished-business-economic


In what is, in effect, an open letter to his successor on how to navigate a time of voter rage, Mr Obama argues that politicians calling for “anti-immigrant, anti-innovation protectionism” are forgetting an all-American principle—that when businesses remember the common good as well as profits, and free markets avoid unhealthy concentrations of power: “capitalism has been the greatest driver of prosperity and opportunity the world has ever known.”

No living politicians are named, but the open letter contains unmistakable rebukes for Hillary Clinton’s recent, campaign-trail flirtations with anti-trade rhetoric, as well as swipes at those—starting with Bernie Sanders on the left, and Donald Trump on the right—who call the American economy rigged, and demand it be rebuilt. The economy is “an enormously complicated mechanism,” he cautions. Such radical moves as breaking up big banks or “erecting prohibitively steep tariffs on imports” would have serious real-world consequences.

Mr Obama, a professorial, hyper-rational sort, does not conceal his dismay at an election season that has seen so many voters—notably working-class Americans without college degrees—rally to candidates insisting that their country is a dystopian hell of corruption and government incompetence, or promising to restore past glories. Perhaps no other country has benefited so much from immigration, trade and innovation, he notes. Yet populists are now promising “a return to a past that is not possible to restore.” Indeed, in a veiled comment on the way that Mr Trump has wooed white men and downplayed past battles against racial and gender discrimination, Mr Obama adds that for lots of Americans, those past glories “never existed at all.”

With just months left in office the president is naturally keen to defend his own legacy. He duly argues that government actions in the wake of the financial crisis saved the world from a second Great Depression. But the essay is most striking for the candid advice it offers to the next holder of his office, and for the middle-path it treads between scolding elites and exhorting them to remember their responsibilities to society. He even offers expressions of regret that so many highly educated youngsters—“potential physicists and engineers”—instead spend their careers “shifting money around in the financial sector”. He suggests that wages gaps were once constrained by social interactions between bosses and employees “at church, at their children’s schools, in civic organisations”—interactions that he calls now sadly rare.

The open letter weighs in on the debate raging during this election, between those who blame populist insurgencies on economic anxiety, or darker forces bound up with identity and fear of the Other. Mr Obama’s answer is: both. With nods to the Brexit vote in Britain and to those campaigning against trade agreements and immigration across the democratic world, he talks of “understandable” frustrations as wages have stagnated and social mobility stalled. But globalisation and technology have also made the world more prosperous, he insists, and “While some communities have suffered from foreign competition, trade has helped our economy much more than it has hurt.” Some fears are not essentially economic, he writes, condemning those today peddling “anti-immigrant, anti-Mexican, anti-Muslim, and anti-refugee sentiment” and comparing them to such nativist movements as the anti-Catholic Know-Nothings of the mid-1800s.

For a man often called a socialist by critics, or at least a big government successor to Franklin Roosevelt, a past president that Mr Obama more clearly echoes is Theodore Roosevelt, the progressive Republican who took on robber barons and monopolists in the name of restoring public faith in capitalism. Today, gaps between rich and poor are felt more keenly in a mobile, connected world, he writes. “Technology allows anyone with a smartphone to see how the most privileged live.” He offers his successor a detailed list of policies, all intended to make government a partner to business. Many are dear to Mrs Clinton, such as paid family leave or polices to curb emissions that cause climate change, but some of them, such as an extension of Earned Income Tax Credits to workers without dependent children, are backed by such Republicans as Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

His open letter will be highly relevant should Mrs Clinton win, for she will find herself under intense pressure from the left of her own party to intervene radically in the economy. Some sectors do still need reform, from the shadow banking system to housing finance, he says. But that, he warns the left, “should be an argument for building on what we have already done, not undoing it.”

The American presidency is a “relay race”, Mr Obama writes. He seems to fear extremes on both ends of the political spectrum, as he prepares to pass the baton.
www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/10/preparing-pass-bato
n?zid=311&ah=308cac674cccf554ce65cf926868bbc2


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Friday, October 7, 2016 10:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Until the last like 4 seconds of that video, I thought it was an endorsement paid by the Clintons.



Do you understand that this is where we're at now?



We're on the verge of Nuclear War... fucking World War III with Russia because of Obama and the Clintons, and were too busy here to notice because we're talking about how Trump called a fat girl a Fat Girl 20 years ago?

Don't watch Fox or Infowars.

Go to youtube and fucking Google that shit.

All of the recent Putin discussions are translated in plain english.

He wants us to know.

He wants Americans to ask What the Fuck is going on in Syria right now.



I'm NOT going to show a horrible ad that Hillary put out in he mean time. A bunch of 8 to 12 year old, undeveloped girls, looking in a mirror while Donald Trump is whispering in their ear that they're Miss fucking Piggy.


Meanwhile, Obama broke a cease fire with Russia 3 weeks ago. We were 2 days away from collaborating with heads of Russia to share intel to do a Collaborated Strike against ISIS.

Then, even though we've never fired a single bullet before, we sent 4 fucking planes in to bomb the area.

Who did we kill?

84 Syrian Government soldiers.

After that, ISIS went in and finished the job that "WE" wanted to get done in the first place.

Russia says "WTF?"

We say "OOPS! We had bad intel".




My only question is Why The Fuck Did We Do Anything In a Cease Fire.





Hillary Clinton/Obama/Bush Jr./Bill Clinton/Bush Senior

T?hey are all the same fucking person.

WAR?



You asked for it?

You Got it?

Toyota!



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 10:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Remember that the theme song behind "You Asked for it, you got it" was
"I love what you do to me, Toyota".

Obviously Japan is in our hands right now. Their only lucritive industry since the mid 80s is video games.




Would you rather hear that message in Korean?

Maybe you should watch a fucking Russian "debate"?




Seriously



Go fuck yourselves.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for WWIII.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 10:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Everything Putin said was more than reasonable to me.

I don't want to go to war with Russia for any reason at all.

Since George Bush Senior we've been going to many illegal, Unconstitutional Wars. Remember when Obama was for Hope and Change and he was going to end all of those illegal wars?

Meanwhile, we have illegally started 3 more in the Middle East under his Control.



The Bushes and the Clintons have Barbecues together.

Google it.

I don't waste your time with meaningless "feel good" college tests.

This is fucking real people.

While you're worried about Trump calling a fat girl fat 20 years ago, Russia has been conducting "Drills" with over 400,000 people. Civilians, Cops, EMTs....

If you've ever played a Fallout game, that's what they're doing this weekend.


They are not the agressors.

As was evidenced by the video I showed you.

WWIII only happens when we strike first.





After 8 years of The First Black President, and the hope for The First Female President, don't consider actual foreign affairs at all.

Barack was weak on Foreign Policy.......

My Ass.

Just like GWB couldn't string together 5 words into a cohesive sentence.



I hated GWB.

I'm on your fucking side.

Open your eyes and know it's true.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, October 7, 2016 7:30 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you understand that this is where we're at now?

We're on the verge of Nuclear War... fucking World War III with Russia because of Obama and the Clintons

All of the recent Putin discussions are translated in plain english.

He wants us to know.

He wants Americans to ask What the Fuck is going on in Syria right now.

Hillary Clinton/Obama/Bush Jr./Bill Clinton/Bush Senior

They are all the same fucking person.

WAR?

While you are condemning Obama/Clinton/Bushes, you forgot Trump's VP, Mike Pence. Trump is sponsoring WWIII with Pence doing all the talking!

Pence took a hard line against Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom he called a “small and bullying leader” who is “dictating terms” to the United States.

Gov. Mike Pence appears to have gone far, far beyond anything Donald Trump has ever said about what Trump has called his “secret” plan for Syria. But Pence knows the “secret”.

Asked how a Trump-Pence administration would stop the civil war carnage in Aleppo, Pence said that he, at least, “truly believe(s) that what America ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones, so that families and children can work out of those areas,” and “work with our partners…[to] make that happen. Provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength.” If Russia “continues to be involved” in airstrikes along with the Syrian government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, he said, “the United States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike the military forces of the Assad regime” and “prevent this crisis in Aleppo.”

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/rea
l-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-vice-presidential-debate/pence-goes-far-far-beyond-trump-on-syria
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Saturday, October 8, 2016 8:49 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


The war on coal, the Trump campaign says, is a vital part of the economic case against the Obama years. The argument: that Democrats on the national level hate coal. Trump is wrong. It is Texas and its natural gas industry waging war on coal. Trump can’t say that because he wants to win in Texas.

Although renewables have grown rapidly, they still represent a small fraction of overall power production. In fact, natural gas has inflicted far more damage on coal than wind, solar, or the U.S. government. The application of fracking, which has raged unabated during the Obama years, has liberated vast cheap supplies of domestic natural gas. The utility industry, motivated by a desire to earn profits and keep costs low, has been shifting wholesale from coal to natural gas.

Because electricity use isn’t growing that much in this country, coal and natural gas are engaged in a zero-sum game. In 2008, coal accounted for 48 percent of electricity generation, compared with just 21 percent for natural gas. By 2015, coal’s market slipped to 33 percent, while natural gas saw its share rise to 32.6 percent—a virtual tie. So far this year, natural gas is beating coal by 34 to 29 percent. Oh, and the displacement of coal hasn’t led to electricity becoming more expensive. Rather, it has coincided with electricity becoming less expensive.

Year % Coal/% Natural Gas
2008 48/21
2015 33/32.6
2016 29/34

Donald Trump Can’t Save the Coal Industry. His campaign gets everything wrong about its woes. Especially who to blame.
www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2016/10/donald_trump_gets_ev
erything_wrong_about_the_war_on_coal.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 5:03 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The war on coal, the Trump campaign says, is a vital part of the economic case against the Obama years. The argument: that Democrats on the national level hate coal. Trump is wrong. It is Texas and its natural gas industry waging war on coal. Trump can’t say that because he wants to win in Texas.

Although renewables have grown rapidly, they still represent a small fraction of overall power production. In fact, natural gas has inflicted far more damage on coal than wind, solar, or the U.S. government. The application of fracking, which has raged unabated during the Obama years, has liberated vast cheap supplies of domestic natural gas. The utility industry, motivated by a desire to earn profits and keep costs low, has been shifting wholesale from coal to natural gas.

Because electricity use isn’t growing that much in this country, coal and natural gas are engaged in a zero-sum game. In 2008, coal accounted for 48 percent of electricity generation, compared with just 21 percent for natural gas. By 2015, coal’s market slipped to 33 percent, while natural gas saw its share rise to 32.6 percent—a virtual tie. So far this year, natural gas is beating coal by 34 to 29 percent. Oh, and the displacement of coal hasn’t led to electricity becoming more expensive. Rather, it has coincided with electricity becoming less expensive.

Year % Coal/% Natural Gas
2008 48/21
2015 33/32.6
2016 29/34




Such intelligence, such a display of critical thinking, such a joy to read, and such a smack down on those who post falsehoods to further their agenda.

____________________________________________

Russia trolls get contract extension
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60719

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Saturday, October 8, 2016 6:27 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Remember, Putin is a master manipulator regarding propaganda, learned while a KGB agent. That's one of the reasons why he has Trump in his back pocket.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Remember that the theme song behind "You Asked for it, you got it" was
"I love what you do to me, Toyota".

Obviously Japan is in our hands right now. Their only lucritive industry since the mid 80s is video games.




Would you rather hear that message in Korean?

Maybe you should watch a fucking Russian "debate"?




Seriously



Go fuck yourselves.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for WWIII.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Sunday, October 9, 2016 11:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I saw an article explaining that: “A tale of two ethics” at
www.economist.com/news/europe/21707959-why-many-germans-think-impracti
cal-idealism-immoral-tale-two-ethics


Why many Germans think impractical idealism is immoral
Oct 1st 2016

The phrases “ethic of conviction” and “ethic of responsibility” mean little to most English-speakers. In Germany the equivalent terms—Gesinnungsethik and Verantwortungsethik—are household words. Pundits drop them casually during television talk shows. Hosts use them as conversation-starters at dinner parties. The concepts draw on the opposition between idealism and pragmatism that runs through politics everywhere. But they also capture a specific moral tension that is “very German”, says Manfred Güllner, a sociologist and pollster. Anyone interested in understanding German politics, on anything from the euro to refugees, would do well to get a handle on them.

The terms come from the sociologist Max Weber, who used them in a speech he gave in January 1919 to a group of leftist students at a Munich bookstore. Germany had just lost the first world war. The Kaiser had abdicated, the country was in the throes of revolution and Munich was about to become the capital of a short-lived “Bavarian Soviet Republic”. Armed with only eight index cards, Weber gave a talk that would become a classic of political science. (“Politics as a Vocation” was published in English only after the second world war. http://anthropos-lab.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Weber-Politics-
as-a-Vocation.pdf
) The lecture ranged broadly through history, but its main purpose was to curb the Utopian romanticism then gripping the ideologues fighting over the direction of the new Germany, including those sitting in front of him.

Weber described an “abysmal opposition” between two types of ethics. Those following their convictions wish to preserve their own moral purity, no matter what consequences their policies may have in the real world. “If an action of good intent leads to bad results, then, in the actor’s eyes, not he but the world, or the stupidity of other men, or God’s will who made them thus, is responsible for the evil.” By contrast, someone guided by responsibility “takes account of precisely the average deficiencies of people…(H)e does not even have the right to presuppose their goodness and perfection.”



Yanno what, SECOND? This exactly describes why you should vote for Trump.

Now, I've decided my vote not on the basis of who is the nicest because, as I've said many times before, but on the basis of what is likely to happen as a result of my vote.

So here's my first consideration: Almost all of Hillary's great plans for domestic reform and revival will come to naught. You can forget the Post Office Bank, tax reform etc. I know it, she knows it, and you should too. How do I know it?

Well, look at Obama. He had GREAT plans - or said he had great plans- for us:

No more war.
Most transparent ever.
Affordable healthcare for everyone.
Economic recovery.
Close Gitmo.
Enact the Buffet Rule - higher taxes on the wealthy.
Citizenship for the undocumented.
Fully fund Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).
Recognize the Armenian Genocide.
Eliminate all oil and gas tax loopholes.
Include labor and environmental standards in free trade agreements.
Require publicly traded financial partnerships to pay the corporate income tax.
Close loopholes in the corporate tax deductibility of CEO pay.
Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.

.... I mean, that man has made so many promises this is just a PARTIAL listing of everything he's promised .... and not kept.

It sounds just like the current Democratic Platform, doesn't it?
Out of all of that, he as accomplished very little .... and he was a POPULAR President with- at one point- A Democratic Congress solidly behind him in a moment of crisis. A historic moment, totally flubbed.

Now we elect Saint Hillary. Remember that, AS PRESIDENT, she can't write legislation. ALL she can do is foreign policy and military intervention and executive orders. So you can forget the Post Office Bank, and any other domestic item tucked into the DNC's platform, because even if the Senate goes Democratic the House will kill whatever Hillary wants, domestically.

There are only a few items on which Saint Hillary can expect reliable progress, because this is where her agenda overlaps with many Republicans

MORE FREE TRADE
MORE WARS OF AGGRESSION


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Now let's say The Donald gets elected. There are also many agenda items in HIS list, many of which I disagree with, and also on the GOP wishlist, which I also disagree with (altho Trump's and the GOP's wish lists aren't exactly the same)

IF the Senate goes 50/50, with a Republican VP tiebreaker, Republicans will have the oppty to

Restrict immigration
Appoint a conservative SCOTUS
Reduce taxes on the wealthy
Repeal Obamacare
Restrict or further outlaw abortions (maybe)

However in the areas where I perceive Trump and the GOP at odds, and especially in foreign policy areas, I expect Trump to stonewall the GOP at the following

NO MORE WARS OF AGGRESSION
NO MORE FREE TRADE

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Whenever I'm polled by that useless organization, the DNC, I quite often have to write in at least two of my top three considerations:

WORLD WAR III
That trumps (so to speak) any considerations that I have about climate shift, overpopulation, abortion, civil rights etc. I know Hillary is a warmonger and delusional - a dangerous combination- and I can demonstrate it without even referring to anything historical like her last "successes" in the Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Ecuador, etc All I have to point is point to her most recently-created enemy: Russia. She's trying to ride that hobby-horse into the White House. Now, either she doesn't realize what a dangerous tactic that is, which means she's unbelievably stupid; or she DOES realize how dangerous that is and is willing to go nuclear toe-to-toe, which makes her unbelievably delusional.

MAINTENANCE OF NATIONAL BOUNDARIES
Hillary has said that she's for a "borderless" world. She wants free flow of goods, money, and people. WHO DOES THAT BENEFIT? You? Me? In what way can that be considered to be "pro-American"?

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE/OVERPOPULATION
The timeline on this behind the others.

If we can manage to maintain our existence and our meaningful sovereign borders, we can duke the rest out internally. Or we can turn the world into a radioactive cloud of ash, or be flayed on the altar of international cartels. It's not like I haven't posted about these before in one way or another. My constant carping on the wars that the USA has started and the tyrannies that we've imposed on other nations ... war is a serious business, and it becomes especially serious if the next target is you.




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Yanno what, SECOND? This exactly describes why you should vote for Trump.

Utah Senator Mike Lee said the Republican Party had to find another candidate or it would not win the White House.

"We've got candidates who can do it. There's still time to do it, but we have to actually do it," he told NBC's Meet the Press.



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Guess I'm not the only one:

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This whole thing has pretty much taken me off the fence of deciding whether to vote 3rd party or stay home. Seeing the incredible push by all of the DC power-brokers to have Trump withdraw over this has convinced me that it's not an act. TPTB really are scared of him and desperately want Hillary to win.

That's good enough to convince me to vote for Trump. I wonder if any others like me who didn't really buy the hype had a similar reaction. I would guess yes.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-09/independent-voter-explains-ho
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Utah Senator Mike Lee said the Republican Party had to find another candidate or it would not win the White House.
GREAT!

But why does that translate to "You should vote for Hillary"? It doesn't, actually. If you really wanted Hillary to win, wouldn't you continue to want Trump in the race?

So how come you're now supporting Republicans? Does this mean that you, really, would prefer an "establishment" Republican over Trump, or even Hillary? Does this make you an "establishmentarian"? And how do you justify your own cruelty?



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Quote:

Utah Senator Mike Lee said the Republican Party had to find another candidate or it would not win the White House.
GREAT!

But why does that translate to "You should vote for Hillary"? It doesn't, actually. If you really wanted Hillary to win, wouldn't you continue to want Trump in the race?

So how come you're now supporting Republicans? Does this mean that you, really, would prefer an "establishment" Republican over Trump, or even Hillary? Does this make you an "establishmentarian"? And how do you justify your own cruelty?

Utah Senator Mike Lee said the Republican Party had to find another candidate or it would not win the White House. He did not say Hillary will start WWIII. I assume he did not think that Signym's WWIII argument against Hillary was a strong argument.

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The crisis swirling around Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is unique, but there’s nothing unprecedented about congressional candidates distancing themselves from a locally unpopular presidential candidate.

Back in the 2012 cycle, for example, we had a smattering of Democrats from red states who declined to endorse Barack Obama’s reelection. At the time, the reaction within the Obama White House was to treat that as all in the game. Democrats would rather Joe Manchin represent West Virginia than a Republican, so if Manchin needs to criticize Obama now and again to stay viable, that’s politics. It’s nothing personal.

Trump’s attitude toward Republicans throwing him under the bus has been very different. In talking points circulated to campaign surrogates Sunday morning and reported by Jonathan Martin of the New York Times, Trump’s campaign is instructing its allies to punch back at Trump’s intra-party critics.

“A lot of the people who are being so critical now are the same ones who doubted him before,” read the talking points, which were forwarded by a Republican strategist. “They are more concerned with their political future than they are about the future of the country. Mr. Trump won the Primary without the help of the insiders and he’ll win the General without them, too.”

Trump himself was, as usual, even more blunt on his Twitter feed:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

So many self-righteous hypocrites. Watch their poll numbers - and elections - go down!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785120729364922369

This is not good politics in a conventional sense. Criticizing his intra-party rivals only serve to increase the salience of Republican Party disunity and make it more and more of a story.

But Trump himself is a thin-skinned and vindictive person, and his campaign chair, Steve Bannon, made bashing GOP congressional leaders a major sport when he was at the helm of Breitbart.com. So it’s entirely in character.

For the Republican Party as a whole, however, this is an absolute worst-case scenario. The House of Representatives map is so unfavorable to Democrats that it would take a miracle for the GOP to lose its majority. Closing out the 2016 election with a round of massive infighting is exactly just such a miracle. It’s the kind of thing you could imagine broadly demoralizing rank-and-file Republicans while confusing state parties and tanking turnout.

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Quote:

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Quote:

Utah Senator Mike Lee said the Republican Party had to find another candidate or it would not win the White House.
GREAT!

But why does that translate to "You should vote for Hillary"? It doesn't, actually. If you really wanted Hillary to win, wouldn't you continue to want Trump in the race?




Your question is meaningless SIG. With all that has been discussed in these threads the real question is, why aren't you voting Hillary. The fact that you are not is testament to your agenda comrade.

More Than 150 Republican Leaders Don’t Support Donald Trump.

People who have been added to the Republican not backing Trump list since a tape of Mr. Trump making vulgar remarks

Kelly Ayotte, Senator of New Hampshire

Robert Bentley, Governor of Alabama

Jaime Herrera Beutler, Representative of Washington

Bradley Byrne, Representative of Alabama

Jason Chaffetz, Representative of Utah

Mike Coffman, Representative of Colorado

Barbara Comstock, Representative of Virginia

Mike Crapo, Senator of Idaho

Dennis Daugaard, Governor of South Dakota

Rodney Davis, Representative of Illinois

Cory Gardner, Senator of Colorado

Scott Garrett, Representative of New Jersey

Cresent Hardy, Representative of Nevada

Joe Heck, Representative of Nevada, running for Senate

Gary Herbert, Governor of Utah

Jon M. Huntsman Jr., Former governor of Utah

Will Hurd, Representative of Texas

Carly Fiorina, Former chief executive of Hewlett-Packard and candidate for G.O.P. nomination

Deb Fischer, Senator of Nebraska

Jeff Flake, Senator of Arizona

Jeff Fortenberry, Representative of Nebraska

John Kasich, Governor of Ohio


Steve Knight, Representative of California

Mike Lee, Senator of Utah

Frank LoBiondo, Representative of New Jersey

Mia Love, Representative of Utah

Susana Martinez, Governor of New Mexico

John McCain, Senator of Arizona

Lisa Murkowski, Senator of Alaska

George E. Pataki, Former governor of New York

Erik Paulsen, Representative of Minnesota

Tim Pawlenty, Former governor of Minnesota

Rob Portman, Senator of Ohio

Condoleezza Rice, Former Secretary of State under George W. Bush

Martha Roby, Represenative of Alabama

Tom Rooney, Representative of Florida

Brian Sandoval, Governor of Nevada

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Former governor of California

Chris Stewart, Representative of Utah

Dan Sullivan, Senator of Alaska

John Thune, Senator of South Dakota and chairman of the Republican Conference

Fred Upton, Representative of Michigan

Ann Wagner, Representative of Missouri

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The crisis swirling around Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is unique, but there’s nothing unprecedented about congressional candidates distancing themselves from a locally unpopular presidential candidate.




Sorry SECOND but the degree to which the Republicans are abandoning Trump is unpresented.

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The crisis swirling around Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is unique, but there’s nothing unprecedented about congressional candidates distancing themselves from a locally unpopular presidential candidate.




Sorry SECOND but the degree to which the Republicans are abandoning Trump is unprecedented.

If Trump does a good job, tonight, his endorsers will stabilize. If Trump implodes in the second debate as he did in the first, GOP politicians will dis-endorse him in numbers never seen before. It will then become Trump's Second Battle of Fort Fisher with him and the Confederate States of America beaten by the Yankee Hillary of NY.
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Trump didn't crash and burn like he did in the first debate, so that is a victory of sorts. But on substance he almost literally said nothing. Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening.

No ordinary debate performance was likely to help Trump at this point, so why not shoot the moon? But it didn't work. According to CNN, debate watchers thought Hillary Clinton won the debate, 57-34 percent. CNN's focus group was something like 20-1 in favor of Clinton.

But! Trump did better than expected. He didn't spontaneously combust on stage.

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I'm watching the replay right now. Yep, he's not said anything of any substance, as usual. He's not said anything new, or on point, or correct politically speaking (not politically correct).

And Hillary was evasive, but at least detailed in her responses to the questions raised.
Evasive in terms of the e-mail issue, but knowledgeable
and detailed in most of the other issues (yes, she did vote to
close the tax loop hole that Donald took advantage of).

Nothing new, more of the same, dredging up old crap
and not much else.


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Trump didn't crash and burn like he did in the first debate, so that is a victory of sorts. But on substance he almost literally said nothing. Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening.

No ordinary debate performance was likely to help Trump at this point, so why not shoot the moon? But it didn't work. According to CNN, debate watchers thought Hillary Clinton won the debate, 57-34 percent. CNN's focus group was something like 20-1 in favor of Clinton.

But! Trump did better than expected. He didn't spontaneously combust on stage.

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Quote:

Every question was used as an opportunity to attack Hillary in one way or another. She's a liar; she loves rich people; her husband is a sexual predator; she has "tremendous hate in her heart"; she wants to put coal miners out of business; she ought to be in jail; and on and on. I think it's safe to say that no one in presidential debate history has come anywhere close to being as derogatory as Trump was this evening.


Not true. Hillary did; and she started this. In the first debate, I was astounded by how many personal attacks she launched on Trump.

And most of them were speculative and without merit ... JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE DO ON THIS BOARD. The best example I can think of (first debate) went like this...


We saw his tax return from 1995...

And he had a loss that could (i.e might) mean he wouldn't pay taxes for almost 20 years...

Trump didn't pay taxes for 20 years...

He didn't pay taxes ....

He doesn't support our troops ....


And Trump, probably on advice of his campaign manager, didn't hit back. So now Hillary got a taste of her own medicine, in front of a wide audience. Boo hoo hoo for Hillary. She should realize that if she hits some people, they'll hit back. But her hubris has been built of by decades of her and Bill's misdeeds being covered up. Not feeling sorry for her.

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And he had a loss that could (i.e might) mean he wouldn't pay taxes for almost 20 years...

Trump didn't pay taxes for 20 years...

He didn't pay taxes ....

Trump admitted that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-electi
on-2016
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And Trump, probably on advice of his campaign manager, didn't hit back. So now Hillary got a taste of her own medicine, in front of a wide audience. Boo hoo hoo for Hillary. She should realize that if she hits some people, they'll hit back.

Trump vowed to prosecute his opponent should he be elected president. And don’t forget Trump admitting that he really did use that $916 million loss to offset nearly two decades of income taxes.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-electi
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https://twitter.com/ErinChack/status/785293432491274240

Trump is too hyperactive to sit in his chair when the other person is talking, so he wandered the stage. More often than not, he ended up about five feet behind Hillary Clinton, looming over her.

It's just an instinctive part of the dominance games that control his life. On the other hand, some of his dominance games were very deliberate:

Donald Trump’s campaign sought to intimidate Hillary Clinton and embarrass her husband by seating women who have accused former president Bill Clinton of sexual abuse in the Trump family’s box at the presidential debate. Officials with the Commission on Presidential Debates intervened.

www.reddit.com/r/firefly/comments/56sb2g/an_embarrassment_to_firefly_f
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After Trump calls him out in debate, Warren Buffett says he's paid federal income taxes every year since 1944


Warren Buffett’s personal income taxes, once debated in Congress after he complained they were too low, are back in the political fray.

In response to a comment by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, the Omaha financier said Monday he didn’t take a “massive” deduction, as suggested by Trump, and has paid federal income taxes every year since 1944.

Buffett’s federal income tax last year: $1,845,557, despite making $2.85 billion in charitable contributions, he said.

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Conservative political commentator and media personality Glenn Beck said opposing Donald Trump is a "moral, ethical" choice — even if that results in Hillary Clinton becoming the next president.

The outspoken opponent of the GOP's presidential nominee wrote on Facebook over the weekend that every voter had to decide for themselves what constitutes "a bridge too far," after the release of footage last week in which Trump can be heard making lewd and sexually aggressive comments about women.

"It is not acceptable to ask a moral, dignified man to cast his vote to help elect an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity," Beck wrote on Facebook in reference to Trump. "If the consequence of standing against Trump and for principles is indeed the election of Hillary Clinton, so be it. At least it is a moral, ethical choice."

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It's amazing and fun to watch as the Republican party and it's talking heads run from trump.



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Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war
Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:35pm EDT
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russian-trump-idUSKCN12C28Q



MOSCOW (Reuters) - Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.

By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.

Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.

"Relations between Russia and the United States can't get any worse. The only way they can get worse is if a war starts," said Zhirinovsky, speaking in his huge office on the 10th floor of Russia's State Duma, or lower house of parliament.

"Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realise that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."

Zhirinovsky's comments coincide with deep disagreements between Washington and Moscow over Syria and Ukraine and after the White House last week accused Russia of a campaign of cyber attacks against Democratic Party organisations.

Even as WikiLeaks released another trove of internal documents from Clinton’s campaign on Wednesday, Putin insisted his country was not involved in an effort to influence the U.S. presidential election.

THE RUSSIAN TRUMP?

Zhirinovsky likes to shock liberal public opinion and he has frequently heaped scorn on the West, which he and other Russian nationalists regard as decadent, hypocritical and corrupted by political correctness.

His combative style, reminiscent of Trump's, ensures him plenty of television air time and millions of votes in Russian elections, often from the kind of blue-collar workers who are the bedrock of the U.S. Republican candidate's support.

Zhirinovsky once proposed blocking off mostly Muslim southern Russia with a barbed wire fence, echoing Trump's call for a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.

Zhirinovsky, who said he met Trump in New York in 2002, revels in his similarities with the American businessman - they are the same age, favour coarse, sometimes misogynistic language and boast about putting their own country first. Zhirinovsky has even said he wants a DNA test to see if he is related to Trump.

But unlike Trump, a billionaire real estate developer who casts himself as the anti-establishment candidate in the U.S. presidential race with no past political experience, Zhirinovsky is a consummate political insider who has sat in the Duma for more than two decades.

Putin has also praised Trump as "very talented", while the Republican candidate has said the Kremlin boss is a better leader than U.S. President Barack Obama. Clinton has accused Trump of being too cosy with Putin and questioned his business interests in Russia.

In other comments that have delighted Moscow, Trump has questioned the value of NATO for Washington, has spoken ambiguously about Russia's 2014 annexation of Ukraine's Crimea and suggested that the United States under his leadership would adopt a more isolationist foreign policy.

"He (Trump) won't care about Syria, Libya and Iraq and why an earth should America interfere in these countries? And Ukraine. Who needs Ukraine?," said Zhirinovsky, who once counted himself a friend of Iraq's Saddam Hussein and Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi and whose deaths he still laments.

"Trump will have a brilliant chance to make relations more peaceful ... He's the only one who can do this," he said, adding that Trump could even win a Nobel peace prize.

CLINTON "CRAVES POWER"

In contrast, Zhirinovsky described Clinton as "an evil mother-in law" and said her record as secretary of state under Obama in 2009-2013 showed she was unfit to lead her country.

"She craves power. Her view is that Hillary is the most important person on the planet, that America is an exceptional country, as Barack Obama said," said Zhirinovsky. "That's dangerous. She could start a nuclear war."

In typically chauvinistic remarks, Zhirinovsky said Clinton's gender should also bar her from the presidency.

"Most Americans should choose Trump because men have been leading for millions of year. You can't take the risk of having one of the richest, most powerful countries led by a woman president," he said.

Asked about lewd comments Trump made about women in 2005 that have harmed his campaign, Zhirinovsky defended the Republican: "Men all round the world sometimes say such things that are just for their comrades. We must only consider his business (and political) qualities."

Though Putin and Trump have never met, Zhirinovsky said he believed they could establish a close working relationship, adding: "Victory for Trump would be a gift to humanity. But if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."


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I saw this article online in MSN News and thought that maybe it was one of those bait and switch stories that sensationalize statements made by prominent people to capture reader's attention.

Oh, it got my attention alright.

Let's put aside the chauvinistic comments for a moment. This guy flat out
threatened the United States:

"...but if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."

The guy is completely mental, especially if he thinks that Russia will be left standing unscathed. In a nuclear war, nobody wins. It makes you wonder
about comments made right here in River City by our dynamic duo; of how
Hillary is the warmonger and aggressor in this equation. It takes a lot of
balls to make that bold of a statement. That or lack of mental capacity; it just might be that, like Trump, he's lost all semblance of reality.

Buckle up Dorothy, Kansas is going Bye-Bye!


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I like Buffet, as billionaires go, because he often challenges Trump on a great many things, but most especially on his claim to being a billionaire.
Buffet chuckles every time he hears this; that's revealing.

The man makes billions because he's shrewd and smart, as far as finances are concerned. He's also a bit of a blow hard, like I would imagine most billionaires are. Buffet, who created The Giving Pledge (there are 125 members), participates in a billionaire's club (Gates, Ellison, Bloomberg,
Zuckerberg, Icahn, Allen, Premji, Dalio, Perelman, Potanin and, of course,
Buffet) these are the top contributors.

You notice that Trump isn't among the names listed above. Hmmmm, I wonder why?


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Thursday, October 13, 2016 3:06 AM

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It reminds me of the vote for the Iraq War, public opinion was strong back then as well. But this time, I think they got it right.

Just ask Hannity! ............lol


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Conservative political commentator and media personality Glenn Beck said opposing Donald Trump is a "moral, ethical" choice — even if that results in Hillary Clinton becoming the next president.



It's amazing and fun to watch as the Republican party and it's talking heads run from trump.



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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

This guy flat out
threatened the United States:

"...but if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."

The guy is completely mental, especially if he thinks that Russia will be left standing unscathed. In a nuclear war, nobody wins. It makes you wonder
about comments made right here in River City by our dynamic duo; of how
Hillary is the warmonger and aggressor in this equation. It takes a lot of
balls to make that bold of a statement. That or lack of mental capacity; it just might be that, like Trump, he's lost all semblance of reality.

This is just part of the theatrics of the Mutual assured destruction (MAD) game.

I think Trump’s election makes nuclear war more likely than Hillary’s election. A little background for why Putin’s Vladimir Zhirinovsky is deliberately misleading you into thinking only Trump can prevent a nuclear war. It is to benefit Russia in a game it is playing with the USA.

Mutual assured destruction (MAD) is a doctrine of national security policy in which a full-scale use of nuclear weapons by two or more opposing sides would cause the complete annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.

It is based on the theory of deterrence, which holds that the threat of using strong weapons against the enemy prevents the enemy's use of those same weapons.

The strategy is a form of Nash equilibrium from game theory in which, once armed, neither side has any incentive to initiate a conflict or to disarm. You can look at the rules of the MAD game at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction#Criticism

Since it is a game, the USA is only completely safe if it plays the game of MAD the way the game rules are written. If this was a game of Tennis and the President hesitates to hit the ball back once Putin serves it, the game is lost and millions die on the first serve. If the President leaves the tennis court, by disarming, the game is also lost. The MAD game is won for only as long as nobody serves the ball and everyone stays in the game. Holding the ball and acting bad-tempered toward Putin is a part of the theatrics of the MAD game for as long as Hillary does not actually serve the ball. Trump acting good-tempered and refusing to hit Putin’s serve back at him is a losing strategy in this game.

There is absolutely no doubt that Hillary and Putin understand all the rules of the MAD game. The way Trump talks, I have serious doubts he knows what kind of game is being played, but my opinion does not count as much as Putin’s opinion of Trump. Putin truly has control of his half of the MAD game. If Putin thinks Trump will not play it according to the rules Trump never learned, then the USA is risking WWIII.

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Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I saw this article online in MSN News and thought that maybe it was one of those bait and switch stories that sensationalize statements made by prominent people to capture reader's attention.

Oh, it got my attention alright.

Let's put aside the chauvinistic comments for a moment. This guy flat out
threatened the United States:

"...but if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."

The guy is completely mental, especially if he thinks that Russia will be left standing unscathed. In a nuclear war, nobody wins. It makes you wonder
about comments made right here in River City by our dynamic duo; of how
Hillary is the warmonger and aggressor in this equation. It takes a lot of
balls to make that bold of a statement. That or lack of mental capacity; it just might be that, like Trump, he's lost all semblance of reality.

Buckle up Dorothy, Kansas is going Bye-Bye!


SGG



The guys unhinged and as much as I don't care for Hillary it would be a disaster if she were to lose to him.

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Friday, October 14, 2016 2:32 AM

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This is the Cuban Missile crisis all over again. Putin is showing his cards in advance to see what POTUS will do. This is a test.

Agreed, Trump knows nothing. Hillary has some experience in these matters.
A high-stakes game of "chicken" - whoever blinks first, loses.


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

This guy flat out
threatened the United States:

"...but if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."

The guy is completely mental, especially if he thinks that Russia will be left standing unscathed. In a nuclear war, nobody wins. It makes you wonder
about comments made right here in River City by our dynamic duo; of how
Hillary is the warmonger and aggressor in this equation. It takes a lot of
balls to make that bold of a statement. That or lack of mental capacity; it just might be that, like Trump, he's lost all semblance of reality.

This is just part of the theatrics of the Mutual assured destruction (MAD) game.

I think Trump’s election makes nuclear war more likely than Hillary’s election. A little background for why Putin’s Vladimir Zhirinovsky is deliberately misleading you into thinking only Trump can prevent a nuclear war. It is to benefit Russia in a game it is playing with the USA.

Mutual assured destruction (MAD) is a doctrine of national security policy in which a full-scale use of nuclear weapons by two or more opposing sides would cause the complete annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.

It is based on the theory of deterrence, which holds that the threat of using strong weapons against the enemy prevents the enemy's use of those same weapons.

The strategy is a form of Nash equilibrium from game theory in which, once armed, neither side has any incentive to initiate a conflict or to disarm. You can look at the rules of the MAD game at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction#Criticism

Since it is a game, the USA is only completely safe if it plays the game of MAD the way the game rules are written. If this was a game of Tennis and the President hesitates to hit the ball back once Putin serves it, the game is lost and millions die on the first serve. If the President leaves the tennis court, by disarming, the game is also lost. The MAD game is won for only as long as nobody serves the ball and everyone stays in the game. Holding the ball and acting bad-tempered toward Putin is a part of the theatrics of the MAD game for as long as Hillary does not actually serve the ball. Trump acting good-tempered and refusing to hit Putin’s serve back at him is a losing strategy in this game.

There is absolutely no doubt that Hillary and Putin understand all the rules of the MAD game. The way Trump talks, I have serious doubts he knows what kind of game is being played, but my opinion does not count as much as Putin’s opinion of Trump. Putin truly has control of his half of the MAD game. If Putin thinks Trump will not play it according to the rules Trump never learned, then the USA is risking WWIII.

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Friday, October 14, 2016 11:06 AM

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Democracy for Realists, based on years of scholarship done on the ugly realities of how American voting behavior really works, sheds crucial light on a question that liberals have been banging their heads over for months — why on earth would anyone vote for Donald Trump? The book's analysis is both troubling and important: Throughout history, people in general have cast their votes for no particularly good reason at all, so there’s no reason to expect Trump supporters to be any different.
www.amazon.com/Democracy-Realists-Elections-Responsive-Government/dp/0
691169446
/

The frightening knowledge that general election outcomes are heavily shaped by arbitrary factors helps explain some of the appeal of books like 2008’s The Party Decides. Not only was the book’s argument compelling on its own merits, but there was also something fundamentally reassuring about the idea that policy-savvy elites were picking nominees through a rational deliberative process. You might not like the policy outcomes the winning political party pursued, but things would probably be done competently and coherently, and as long as the parties rotate in power, nothing too terrible should happen.

Donald Trump’s nomination by the Republican Party served to largely shatter that book’s prestige in the media.

But the crucial thing about Trump is that while he gives all appearances of being a catastrophic presidential candidate — not supported by either of his party’s two living past presidents, endorsed by zero major newspaper editorial pages, routinely decried as a liar by mild-mannered, non-ideological campaign reporters, and enjoying only grudging backing from the GOP congressional leadership — he’s not performing that badly.

Vox’s Trump Tax model, designed in partnership with a group of political scientists, suggests that Trump is polling only 5 percentage points worse than you would expect a generic Republican to poll given the overall political climate. Major election forecasts see a Trump win as unlikely, but still normally give him a 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 chance, meaning Hillary losing to Trump would be the equivalent of Hillary's football team blowing an easy field goal — surprising, but hardly unheard of.

Shark attacks, which Presidents and candidates have no control over, have moved voters 10 percentage points in Presidential elections. Trump is behind by only 6% of the popular vote. All of the evidence from both the current campaign and longer-term studies of the American electorate suggests two basic conclusions about Trump — that the vast majority of people who would vote for a generic Republican nominee will vote for him, and that while he would need some good luck from external events to win, it’s easily within the realm of possibility.

We are only one poorly timed piece of bad economic news or one case of Hillary Clinton coming down with the flu away from a president with no relevant qualifications who virtually nobody with real experience governing truly thinks is a good choice.

It would be nice to think that government is driven by the profound desires of the people. The evidence, however, suggests something rather different and darker — that as the balance of power shifts away from party establishments and toward the mass public, we will get government driven by the whims of inattentive and uninformed voters, and there won’t be much beyond dumb luck standing between the republic and a telegenic demagogue who happens to secure the backing of the minority of people who bother to vote in primary elections.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/12663318/bartels-achen-demo
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Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:06 PM

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Yesterday’s presentation by Donald Trump's economic adviser, Peter Navarro, at the Tax Policy Center’s discussion of the presidential candidate tax plans reminded me of a passage in George Orwell’s dystopic novel 1984. The inner party’s chief torturer holds up his left hand with the thumb hidden and four fingers extended and asks the prisoner, “How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?” When Winston replies “four”, the official responds, “And if the party says it is not four but five – then how many?”

That’s a bit of what’s happening with Navarro’s explanation of Trump’s tax and trade policy. His argument goes something like this: Yes, Trump’s tax plan on its own would increase the deficit. But in tandem with his trade policy (as well as regulatory changes and a pro-carbon energy policy), their tax plan would not increase the deficit.

Here’s where Navarro’s argument about trade goes wrong: continue at -Trump adviser's take on taxes, trade turns economic theory on its head
www.csmonitor.com/Business/Tax-VOX/2016/1016/Trump-adviser-s-take-on-t
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Monday, October 17, 2016 1:14 AM

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He now points a finger at "animal" Democrats for the fire bombing in NC. I think that the jury's still out as to who done it, but I wouldn't put it past his supporters to try and distract attention away from the sexual assault allegations.

I found his response a bit too quick and wrong-headed. As usual despicable.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I saw this article online in MSN News and thought that maybe it was one of those bait and switch stories that sensationalize statements made by prominent people to capture reader's attention.

Oh, it got my attention alright.

Let's put aside the chauvinistic comments for a moment. This guy flat out
threatened the United States:

"...but if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."

The guy is completely mental, especially if he thinks that Russia will be left standing unscathed. In a nuclear war, nobody wins. It makes you wonder
about comments made right here in River City by our dynamic duo; of how
Hillary is the warmonger and aggressor in this equation. It takes a lot of
balls to make that bold of a statement. That or lack of mental capacity; it just might be that, like Trump, he's lost all semblance of reality.

Buckle up Dorothy, Kansas is going Bye-Bye!


SGG



The guys unhinged and as much as I don't care for Hillary it would be a disaster if she were to lose to him.

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Monday, October 17, 2016 7:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
He now points a finger at "animal" Democrats for the fire bombing in NC. I think that the jury's still out as to who done it, but I wouldn't put it past his supporters to try and distract attention away from the sexual assault allegations.

I found his response a bit too quick and wrong-headed. As usual despicable.


SGG

I believe Trump's campaign went off the rails because of Trump's new campaign C.E.O. Steve Bannon:

www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/steve-bannons-vision-for-the-trump-co
alition-after-election-day


It took someone smarter and more cynical than Trump to distill Trump’s platform of protectionism, closed borders, and white identity politics into one message about a global conspiracy. The man behind this new message is Steve Bannon, who became the C.E.O. of the Trump campaign in August. Bannon is on leave from Breitbart, the right-wing news site where he served as executive chairman, and where he honed a view of international politics that Trump now parrots.

Bannon, who is sixty-two, is new to right-wing rabble-rousing, compared to someone like Stone. Bannon went to the Harvard Business School and became wealthy as a mergers-and-acquisition deal-maker for Goldman Sachs, in the nineteen-eighties. He made a fortune by buying a share of the royalties for “Seinfeld” back in 1993, and receives them to this day.

Bannon met Andrew Breitbart, the founder of the news Web site, when Bannon was financing conservative documentaries in Los Angeles in the aughts. Breitbart, who previously worked with the Drudge Report, started Breitbart in 2005 as a conservative news aggregator, much like his former employer. In the fall of 2009, Bannon and Breitbart worked together on a business plan to launch a more ambitious version of the site, and Bannon joined its board in 2011, once the financing deal closed. When Andrew Breitbart died, in 2012, Bannon became executive chairman and took over the site. Back then Breitbart was a pugnacious but still recognizably conservative site, but, with Bannon in charge, its politics started to change.

Bannon embraced the growing populist movement in America, including the “alt-right,” a new term for white nationalists, who care little about traditional conservative economic ideas and instead stress the need to preserve America’s European heritage and keep out non-whites and non-Christians. Under Bannon, Breitbart promoted similar movements in Europe, including the United Kingdom Independence Party, the National Front in France, Alternative for Germany, and the Freedom Party in the Netherlands. Bannon likes to say that his goal is “to build a global, center-right, populist, anti-establishment news site.” After the election is over, Breitbart, which has offices in London and Rome, plans to open up new bureaus in France and Germany.

This ambition extends to supporting the election of right-wing candidates. In 2013, Bannon encouraged Senator Jeff Sessions, of Alabama, who led the opposition to immigration reform, to run for President, but Sessions declined to enter the race. Bannon went on to attend early candidate forums, where he noticed that, while most Republicans stuck to the Party’s small-government message, Trump was hitting the protectionist themes that proved popular at Breitbart and on the European right.

In early 2015, Breitbart tilted toward Cruz, but after Trump entered the race that summer, with a sharper anti-immigrant message, Breitbart evolved into an unofficial arm of the Trump campaign. “Donald Trump: Candidate for Our Age” and “20 Reasons Why It Should Be Donald Trump in 2016” were typical headlines. When Trump fired his campaign director, Paul Manafort, in mid-August, he made Kellyanne Conway, a Republican pollster, his new campaign manager, and named Bannon his campaign C.E.O.

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Trump’s appeal isn’t limited to what he says he’ll do on social issues. Trump’s promises to lower taxes and cut government spending also are attractive. Gene, 39, immigrated from Moscow 16 years ago and works as a computer consultant. “Why do I support Mr. Trump? Because I pay $70,000 in taxes,” he said, playing with the metal bracelet in his hand as he sat sipping coffee, facing the water. “I believe a lot of people don’t understand that he is a really good guy. He looks like kind of crazy but the question is what is inside. Inside he is a good guy.”

Boris Korosty, who immigrated to the US 27 years ago, said, “Hillary would take us towards something like socialism. She has the same mentality like Mr. Obama—bigger government, more welfare, more this, more that. I have seen what this does, this is not a good thing.”

He shares his dim view of America’s future. “What scares me is that I saw one of the biggest countries fall down in a few days because of wrong leadership. No war, nothing. Boom, no more Soviet Union. Scares me, a lot.” Another reason he backs Trump? “At least he is a tough guy,” said Korosty. “What kind of president falls down while she is walking?”

http://qz.com/809857/the-heart-of-a-russian-enclave-of-new-york-beats-
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Trump from the start had been playing a part, but his acting got worse and worse as time went on, until finally he couldn't keep track: Was he supposed to be a genuine traitor to his class and the savior of the common man, or just be himself, i.e., a bellicose pervert with too much time on his hands? Or were the two things the same thing? He was too dumb to figure it out, and that paralysis played itself out on the Super Bowl of political stages. It was great television. It was also the worst thing that ever happened to our electoral system.

Trump's shocking rise and spectacular fall have been a singular disaster for U.S. politics. Built up in the press as the American Hitler, he was unmasked in the end as a pathetic little prankster who ruined himself, his family and half of America's two-party political system for what was probably a half-assed ego trip all along, adventure tourism for the idiot rich.

That such a small man would have such an awesome impact on our nation's history is terrible, but it makes sense if you believe in the essential ridiculousness of the human experience. Trump picked exactly the wrong time to launch his mirror-gazing rampage to nowhere. He ran at a time when Americans on both sides of the aisle were experiencing a deep sense of betrayal by the political class, anger that was finally ready to express itself at the ballot box.

The only thing that could get in the way of real change – if not now, then surely very soon – was a rebellion so maladroit, ill-conceived and irresponsible that even the severest critics of the system would become zealots for the status quo.

In the absolute best-case scenario, the one in which he loses, this is what Trump's run accomplished. He ran as an outsider antidote to a corrupt two-party system, and instead will leave that system more entrenched than ever. If he goes on to lose, he will be our Bonaparte, the monster who will continue to terrify us even in exile, reinforcing the authority of kings.

If you thought lesser-evilism was bad before, wait until the answer to every question you might have about your political leaders becomes, "Would you rather have Trump in office?"

Trump can't win. Our national experiment can't end because one aging narcissist got bored of sex and food. Not even America deserves that. But that doesn't mean we come out ahead. We're more divided than ever, sicker than ever, dumber than ever. And there's no reason to think it won't be worse the next time.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-donald-
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Monday, October 17, 2016 11:15 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND... do you suppose you could post your own opinion, instead of someone else's?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60903&p=4

I'm beginning to think that you let others do your thinking for you.



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

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Monday, October 17, 2016 11:42 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, i can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Quote:

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There are many, many problems with hillary. She breaks countries and starts wars wherever she goes. Right now, she and obama are drumming up war fever JUST TO WIN THE ELECTION. Never mind that it's not against some small hapless country full of brown people that most voters can't find on a map. No, hillary and obama are aiming a Russia, a fully capable nuclear equal. I wonder if they've considered that the Russian response to their war-mongering might be something they can't just turn off after the election.

hillary as a president would have zero power to keep her many, many empty promises. And she knows that, but it doesn't stop her from making them anyway, because people really are that gullible. So, why not? But even more than that, hillary herself doesn't believe them, as the leaked documents show. hillary is an empty husk of a person when it comes to integrity.

hillary is completely corrupt, mixing state power with personal gain, as the leaked emails about pay-to-play as Secy of State and her toadying speeches to GS show.

And there's the billary issue - co-abusers of women and children, equal, if not worse than anyone else on the campaign trail.


But the BIGGEST problem with hillary is her finger on the nuclear button. Having left Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria in unfixable smoking ruins, and unable to admit or even understand that she was wrong, surrounded by her equally deluded neocons in the State Department, military and CIA who also think a nuclear war is winnable, deaf to warnings, she'd turn her attention toward Russia - with her fat finger on the nuclear button and US policy to launch nuclear weapons FIRST in her waddling hip pocket. Given her unblemished history of failure, i can't imagine anything could possibly go wrong.




President: National poll results

Hillary Clinton (D) 45% (+7.00)

Donald Trump (R) 38%

Gary Johnson (L) 6%


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Monday, October 17, 2016 4:59 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


President: National poll results =


Reality isn't decided by polling.



Hillary is a WAR CANDIDATE, and that's just what we need, right? More war?

Oh BTW, please define intelligence.
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