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#blacklivesmatter is a terrorist group

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You're thinking of the Army and the NRA.

No evidence that the shooter was any part of BLM, but he *WAS* a U.S. Army veteran, using a weapon that the NRA has fought tooth and nail to make sure that anyone can have access to at all times, regardless of their criminal history or mental competence.

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#blacklivesmatter is a terrorist group

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You're thinking of the Army and the NRA.

No evidence that the shooter was any part of BLM, but he *WAS* a U.S. Army veteran, using a weapon that the NRA has fought tooth and nail to make sure that anyone can have access to at all times, regardless of their criminal history or mental competence.

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The Orlando shooter was a Democrat, so with that thinking the Democrat party is a terror group.

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#blacklivesmatter is a terrorist group

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You're thinking of the Army and the NRA.

No evidence that the shooter was any part of BLM, but he *WAS* a U.S. Army veteran, using a weapon that the NRA has fought tooth and nail to make sure that anyone can have access to at all times, regardless of their criminal history or mental competence.

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The Orlando shooter was a Democrat, so with that thinking the Democrat party is a terror group.

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And Robert Dear, the Planned Parenthood murderer, is a Republican. So you admit you're a terrorist as well.




Meanwhile, there's this.

http://imgur.com/a/YkDVQ



Also, where were all the "good guys with guns" at the Dallas event? There were at least 20 open-carry activists there with their guns, all strapped and showing off their toys. What happened to them when the shooting started? You know what happened to them? They ran away, because you all are a bunch of fucking cowards when it comes right down to it, and you can't and won't stop shit!

20 big heroes with their preciouses, and not a one of them did a goddamned thing to stop the killing. Didn't lift a trigger finger to help - just ran away like a bunch of pussies, exactly like we always said they would.

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Trump is a terrorist organization, according to Whozit.

http://www.joemygod.com/2016/07/09/portland-trump-supporter-faces-40-y
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If I may be a little "meta" about this whole event and the reaction to it.

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Blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to have an interaction with police which involves any use of force. In stark contrast to non-lethal uses of force, we find no racial differences in officer-involved shootings on either the extensive or intensive margins. Using data from Houston, Texas—where we have both officer-involved shootings and a randomly chosen set of potential interactions with police where lethal force may have been justified—we find, in the raw data, that blacks are 23.8 percent less likely to be shot at by police relative to whites. Hispanics are 8.5 percent less likely.

Analyzing data from cities in California, Texas, and Florida, Fryer found that lethal force was used more often against whites than blacks. The results weren't statistically significant, so technically Fryer's conclusion is that there's no difference between the shooting rate of whites and blacks.

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Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
it's another really sad set of events, but I'm sorry to have to say it once again, your gun laws are just completely fucked. Everyone sees it except the nut jobs who think this is an acceptable way to live. It's just not.

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You're thinking of the Army and the NRA.

No evidence that the shooter was any part of BLM, but he *WAS* a U.S. Army veteran, using a weapon that the NRA has fought tooth and nail to make sure that anyone can have access to at all times, regardless of their criminal history or mental competence.

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The Orlando shooter was a Democrat, so with that thinking the Democrat party is a terror group.

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Blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to have an interaction with police which involves any use of force. In stark contrast to non-lethal uses of force, we find no racial differences in officer-involved shootings on either the extensive or intensive margins. Using data from Houston, Texas—where we have both officer-involved shootings and a randomly chosen set of potential interactions with police where lethal force may have been justified—we find, in the raw data, that blacks are 23.8 percent less likely to be shot at by police relative to whites. Hispanics are 8.5 percent less likely.

Analyzing data from cities in California, Texas, and Florida, Fryer found that lethal force was used more often against whites than blacks. The results weren't statistically significant, so technically Fryer's conclusion is that there's no difference between the shooting rate of whites and blacks.

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The official statistics for shootings by police in America are bad to non-existent. The totals are under-reported, and the Justice Department admits it doesn't have crucial details such as the race of people shot, and whether they were armed.

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But the problem is that ALL statistics are suspect . . .

. . . police cannot help but remember that someone targeted them . . .

Adding another layer of fear onto that will probably make police even MORE . . .

Something more needs to be done than a day of mourning and a temporary cease-fire.

. . . which resulted in the Police Chief fbeing fired over a year later, only after the whole cover-up was exposed.

. . . the shootings between gangs is atrocious.

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Honest question: Do you think anything in this country works? - G

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The only "welfare cheats" you'll find are giant corporations.

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Do you want to know what I think is the root cause of inner-city violence, and police shootings?

Of course not, but I'm going to tell you anyway.

It doesn't help that the USA started its life with slavery: the creation of a permanent underclass which, because of its distinctive skin color could never hope to "blend in" like the Irish, Polish, and Italians did afterwards. RACISM exists to this day, in ways both large and small. It is pervasive, and shows itself in how the media presents people of color, and how white people react to people of color, and how people of color react to whites.

But racism by itself wouldn't be so bad if it weren't attached to systematic economic privation.

And economic privation wouldn't be so bad if it weren't embedded in a culture that worships money ... getting money and proving your status according to the things and people that you own (women, specifically) by any means necessary. There are impoverished cultures that manage to be non-violent because they have other ideals ... family, work, religion, community, or what-have-you. But not here, because we are a relentlessly commercialized, monetized culture in which everything and everyone exists to make money for somebody.

What is the difference between invading Iraq and killing up to a million people for oil, versus killing rival gang members for drug-turf. Nothing, except scale. Gangs have learned their lessons well by emulating the success of their "betters".

As a culture, we have a hard time holding up ideals of meritocracy, hard work, self-reliance, self-respect, and non-violence for "the black community" when everything else in our culture screams an opposing message. And it's all driven by the sleazebags and whores and manipulators at the top who rape the world (including their own nation) for profit.

So, if we really wanted to "do something" we would have a decent job available for everyone who could work. We would have training and education and even travel so people could broaden their minds beyond the small communities that they grew up in ... and that includes Castleton IN (heart of heroin addiction) as well as Watts CA. We would have therapy for people who have grown up in situations of endemic violence, leading to chronic PTSD for so many people, and drug treatment for those who sought to escape their misery via chemicals. And, to continue the diatribe, we would provide mental health treatment to those who are mentally ill.

But we will do none of this, because it costs the wealthy too much of their money.

So, we give cops guns to "solve" our social problems, or at least contain them in communities that we don't want to deal with.

Guns aren't our only problem, and "gun control" barely scratches the surface of what ails us. But it's a cheap fix that costs the wealthy nothing.

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If you had different guns laws with less access to weapons, you'd still have the social issues, but not the guns deaths. Its incredibly simple.

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Clearly you do not understand the problem.

This: "Oh and a population that seems largely in denial about cause and effect." for example, is very totally completely false. Our population voted overwhelming to support stricter background checks and tougher gun access laws, close to 90% - gun owners included! But we don't seem to actually run our own government when it comes to guns, and there's sadly, very little we can do. When the NRA and other gun lobbyists $own so much of Washington, they get to call the shots. It's deeply embarrassing and frustrating to many of us. It is incredibly simple to see, and nearly impossible to change with the current situation.

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This is why I rarely come here anymore - the tedium of American Exceptionalism spills over even into explanation of your problems.

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Most Western countries (and most non Western as well) are based around materialism, wealth accumulation whatever you want to call it. That isn't exceptional to America.

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Most Western countries (and many non Western) are involved or have been involved in military conflicts, usually for economic reasons both international and local. Nothing exceptional about that.

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Many of the problems experienced in America, divide between rich and poor, complex social problems, disenfranchised underclass - nothing unique about them today or throughout history.

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What separates you from most western nations is your gun laws, that you have a lots of guns, lots of weaponry easily accessible and easily obtained.

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Oh and a population that seems largely in denial about cause and effect.

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If you had different guns laws with less access to weapons, you'd still have the social issues, but not the guns deaths. Its incredibly simple.

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Oh and a population that seems largely in denial about cause and effect.

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In so many ways, and not just about guns. We are a nation of "believers" ... we believe in religion, free enterprise, guns, individualism ... no matter what the effect of our beliefs.

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If you had different guns laws with less access to weapons, you'd still have the social issues, but not the guns deaths. Its incredibly simple.

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You're probably right about that. But the fact that we can't seem to get those laws in place speaks to a much larger dysfunction in our society.

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In so many ways, and not just about guns. We are a nation of "believers" ... we believe in religion, free enterprise, guns, individualism ... no matter what the effect of our beliefs.

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If you had different guns laws with less access to weapons, you'd still have the social issues, but not the guns deaths. Its incredibly simple.

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You're probably right about that. But the fact that we can't seem to get those laws in place speaks to a much larger dysfunction in our society.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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This is why I rarely come here anymore - the tedium of American Exceptionalism spills over even into explanation of your problems.

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You're the only one who has commented on that. I guess because you aren't American, you notice our exceptionalism more.

But, we ARE exceptional.

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This is why I rarely come here anymore - the tedium of American Exceptionalism spills over even into explanation of your problems.- MAGONS

You're the only one who has commented on that. I guess because you aren't American, you notice our exceptionalism more. But, we ARE exceptional.- SIGNY

Then all countries are exceptional in that regard, they all have their own cultures, history, population and wealth statistics.

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American has been, in recent history, the wealthiest and most powerful. But even then there is nothing unique about that. That position is occupied by some country/civilisation at any point in history. They have their time in the sun, they wield great power and influence and then they are replaced.

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I don't know if you were to look at the stats that people [ARE?] or more violence or dysfunctional than ever before. Complex societies develop sub groups, and if sub groups are poor and disenfranchised then violence erupts. For example, we have huge problems with incredible violence in Aboriginal communities, but you see, we don't have a highly armed population, so the violence, horrific as it is, doesn't translate to gun deaths. I'm pretty sure that if the population was as armed here as in the US, you'd see pretty much the same statistics.

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So people die of alcoholism and drugs and poor nutrition and knifings instead?

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Clearly you do not understand the problem.

This: "Oh and a population that seems largely in denial about cause and effect." for example, is very totally completely false. Our population voted overwhelming to support stricter background checks and tougher gun access laws, close to 90% - gun owners included! But we don't seem to actually run our own government when it comes to guns, and there's sadly, very little we can do. When the NRA and other gun lobbyists $own so much of Washington, they get to call the shots. It's deeply embarrassing and frustrating to many of us. It is incredibly simple to see, and nearly impossible to change with the current situation.

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There's a chicken-and-egg problem here. IF we had more social cohesion, we could have better gun laws. But there is so little social cohesion that we can't accomplish that goal.

So it seems to me the answer is to achieve social cohesion another way, not related to guns.

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Honest question: Do you think anything in this country works? - G

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I know a lot of PEOPLE who work ... really hard. They work at their jobs, and then they take care of ill and dying parents or children (or both). If they have spare time and energy they volunteer through their church or some other organization, if they have spare money they donate to a cause.

But being a decent, caring, responsible person is being a sucker. Because, really, what is rewarded? Scamming and cheating. Cheating and scamming. If you want to get ahead, it doesn't come from hard work! Just look at our banking elite and our politicians and our Bishops and televangelists, our gang leaders and our welfare cheats.

Working hard and meeting your obligations? That just makes you the (heavily parasitized) donkey for this whole enterprise. And who the hell wants to be that? The only thing you get out of being a hardworking responsible person is a good feeling about yourself, and every four years the politicians running for office refer to you to milk your vote. But they will never, EVER, do anything to change the system of rewards that operates here.

No wonder this place is falling apart.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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To re-make the point that I've been making ever since whenever.

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I know a lot of PEOPLE who work ... really hard. They work at their jobs, and then they take care of ill and dying parents or children (or both). If they have spare time and energy they volunteer through their church or some other organization, if they have spare money they donate to a cause.

But being a decent, caring, responsible person is being a sucker. Because, really, what is rewarded? Scamming and cheating. Cheating and scamming. If you want to get ahead, it doesn't come from hard work! Just look at our banking elite and our politicians and our Bishops and televangelists, our gang leaders and our welfare cheats.

Working hard and meeting your obligations? That just makes you the (heavily parasitized) donkey for this whole enterprise. And who the hell wants to be that? The only thing you get out of being a hardworking responsible person is a good feeling about yourself, and every four years the politicians running for office refer to you to milk your vote. But they will never, EVER, do anything to change the system of rewards that operates here.

No wonder this place is falling apart.


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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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