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Global Warming - Greatest scam in history !

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:52 AM

ALLIETHORN7


Don't know if I'm reiterating here, as I'm too lazy to read the thread, but didn't ANYONE think that it may be just a natural thing? Seein' as we just got out of the Lil' Ice Age, maybe this is just the opposite of it, like the Lil' Apocalypse of Damnation and Hellfire?

-Danny

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and my voice cracks when I sing from my heart
guess that's the price I've got to pay to know that I'm alive
this melody is tearing me apart


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Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:15 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
The "inconvenient truth" that you fail to mention.... the part right before the sentence that you quote, is... The court ruled that the film was substantially founded upon scientific research and fact. There were nine points in dispute in the film, of those, three are definitely wrong and the remainder are more correct than not according to the scientific consensus.


You may be right if my original point was that the movie was not based on scientific fact. Righteous and I are clearly discussing the partisan nature of the film, not the science.
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
The film is clearly a call for action. Does that make it "political"? I guess it is if you assume ANY call for action is political. In that view, Silent Spring by Rachel Carson would also be deemed "political", as would Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. What I don't understand is the idea that this movie is somehow "partisan" i.e. supporting one political party over another. It's been a while since I saw the film; I wasn't particularly impressed with it but I didn't get the feeling that it was a Republican v Democrat film.


That is your opinion. Obviously myself and at least a couple of Brit's think otherwise. I have the same misgivings regarding Canada's leading man-made global warming champion David Suzuki. Why he feels it necessary to muddy the waters with his politics instead of the straight facts escapes me. It needlessly puts roughly half of his target audience on the defensive for no good reason IMHO.

p.s. Signy, you stink.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:55 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

You may be right if my original point was that the movie was not based on scientific fact. Righteous and I are clearly discussing the partisan nature of the film, not the science.
Where is the "partisan" part of the film? (Partisan politics means supporting one party over another.) As I said, it's been a while since I saw the film, but I don't recall Gore touting Democrats over Republicans. So if you would care to be specific about the partisan nature of the film- especially by providing examples- that would be helpful.

AFA the film being "political": IMHO where a movie (book, etc) is scientific or factual it is NOT political. If it is mostly scientific, it is mostly not political; science trumps politics in my view. For example: The earth is round is not a political statement, and if a politician or party chooses to run on a flat-earth platform that STILL doesn't make the earth is round "political". If the facts are that the earth is warming, AND the CO2 is a greenhouse gas, AND that the concentration of atmosphereic CO2 has been rising - all of which are proveably true - then what part is "political"? Again, if you could provide some examples of what you think is overtly partisan or political that would be helpful.


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Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:04 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
For example: The earth is round


So...this is a lefty belief is it? Hmmmm, AU will have to join the flat-Earth side, I guess.

Terminally silly Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, you know us lefty-types: Always on the lunatic fringe

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:40 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
So if you would care to be specific about the partisan nature of the film- especially by providing examples- that would be helpful.




Because anything that doesn't automatically give corporations blanket permission to do anything they damned well please is Liberal propaganda.

Duh.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Where my objections to the film lay were the few times I got that game-show buzzer in my head when Gore said something that I knew wasn't true- for example, the Kilomanjaro snow isn't melting because of global warming. Also IMHO there was too much about "the lonely man in an uncaring world", trudging sadly but gamely through airports and backstages to bring the message to the people. Was that a play for sympathy? Probably. Was that "partisan"? Didn't seem to to me. Was that "political"? I guess, in so far as it tried to sway people to take action by appealing to their emotions. But by that definition even advertising is political.

Nonetheless, I thought the movie on the whole presented the science as is currently understood.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:40 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:


Terminally silly Chrisisall




About all we agree on. That, and Jessica Alba.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:26 AM

LEADB


Quote:

Originally posted by Alliethorn7:
Don't know if I'm reiterating here, as I'm too lazy to read the thread, but didn't ANYONE think that it may be just a natural thing? Seein' as we just got out of the Lil' Ice Age, maybe this is just the opposite of it, like the Lil' Apocalypse of Damnation and Hellfire?

-Danny

Yes; but the 'Apocalypse of Damnation and Hellfire' reference is... unique.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:33 PM

JARHEAD


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I will say now what I have said before.... There are plenty of good, selfish reasons to change the behavior of mankind that have nothing to do with Global Warming.... It might also help the planet, or it might not. Who cares? It helps me!

So shove Global Warming up your rectum and give me a car that delivers a mile per penny. That would be progress.



Quoted for truth.

I drive a F350 Turbo-Diesel Super-Duty everyday at work. Right now mixing up my own almost-biodiesel would really save on the fuel bill, wish I could convince the boss. Those of you in countries where you can actually buy diesel cars should really take advantage cause near as I can tell they aren't allowed to import them in the States. Fraken politicians. I think when #2 diesel goes over $4.00 a gallon here(like next month or so)I might be able to make some headway.

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Friday, June 24, 2016 3:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Further proof of the scam.

Federal laboratory has been shut down due to extensive data manipulation regarding the fake science perpetuating the myth of global warming. Much of the prophets of the global warming religion have based their claims on these known false piles of data doo.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/lakewood-co/TRGO6A8B2P1HF7CS9

https://www.doioig.gov/reports/inspection-scientific-integrity-inciden
t-usgs-energy-geochemistry-laboratory


Something that I find interesting is that this threead was started at the end of 2007 by RapKnight, and this knowledge of corruption of data and false reporting of "Libtard facts" dates back to 2008 - they did n't bother to look at all the fictional science findings before that!!!
Did RapKnight spur the investigation into facts instead of Libtard mythology?


I am wondering which excuses and rationalizations the Libtards and other disciples of the global warming religion will rely upon and use to deflect the mythical basis for their false claims. How will they dismiss the facts, as they do whenever the facts and science get in the way of their belief system?

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Friday, June 24, 2016 3:48 PM

THGRRI


In general society feels bad for those who for what ever reason are assigned to the special bus. When the world and 90% of its scientists claim we are entering a time of global warming of which man is a major contributor of, those who say it ain't so are those relegated to the special bus. The happy news for them is that they don't know it. But the rest of us do.

Do you think we should tell them the world is flat? Naw

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Friday, June 24, 2016 9:00 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Further proof of the scam.

I am wondering which excuses and rationalizations the Libtards and other disciples of the global warming religion will rely upon and use to deflect the mythical basis for their false claims. How will they dismiss the facts, as they do whenever the facts and science get in the way of their belief system?

You jumped to a conclusion as broad as the entire world, without supporting facts, JewelStaiteFan. The incident specifically concerned accusations of scientific misconduct and data manipulation by a mass spectrometer operator assigned to the Energy Resources Program’s (ERP) Energy Geochemistry Laboratory in Lakewood, CO, in the Energy and Minerals Mission Area.

In other news, the arctic sea ice is melting:
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/


Low ice, low snow, both poles
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2016/06/low-ice-low-snow-both-poles/

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Saturday, June 25, 2016 1:54 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Federal laboratory has been shut down due to extensive data manipulation regarding the fake science perpetuating the myth of global warming.

The first link said nothing about global warming, or even what the lab analyzed for. The second link went nowhere. Neither supported your babbling. So I looked further - what was this really about?
The lab appears to be a single-instrument lab that only uses that one kind of instrument called an ICP-MS (inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometer) Where I work we have a plethora of instruments, including two ICP-MSs.
An ICP-MS is useful for analyzing any solid that can be dissolved in acids, and gives you how much of the various elements are in each solid. So it's very useful for analyzing rocks, soils (made of broken down rocks), and dusts (made of broken down soils).
What it CAN'T do is analyze elements that combine together to form gases - like when one atom of the element carbon combines with four atoms of the element hydrogen to form the gas methane; or when one atom of the element carbon combines with two atoms of the element oxygen to form the gas carbon dioxide; or when one atom of the element carbon combines with two atoms of the element chlorine and two atoms of the element fluorine to form the gas dichlorodifluoromethane otherwise known as Freon-12 (all these gazes being important to global warming).
So, an ICP-MS can measure elements found in the various forms of rocks and other dissolveable solids, but can't measure important greenhouses gases. I'm not finding a direct connection between the lab and data vital to verifying global warming.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Saturday, June 25, 2016 5:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JEWEL, you have a grasp on the fact that liberals have some stupid beliefs, but this isn't one of them. I've looked into every single one of RAPPY'S claims about global warming, from the ...

1) East Anglia data "conspiracy" (it had to do with how ONE POINT out of approx a thousand was treated) to the

2) Carbon dioxide trapped in the ice of ice shields, to the presumed

3) 18-Year "pause" in global temperature rise, heralding "the end" of increasing temperature

.... and every single point was wrong. The single point in the East Anglia data wouldn't have budged the conclusion whether it was included or excluded, the presumed "lag" of carbon dioxide concentrations relative to global warming simply points out a net positive feedback loop (warmed oceans release gases, including CO2), and that presumed "end of global warming" has been wiped out by a year-after-year "hottest ever" (2014, 2015, and 2016 so far). The latest "revelation" is also wrong.

There's no "conspiracy".

It's just physics at work.


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Saturday, June 25, 2016 8:39 AM

REAVERFAN


Looks like poor JSF has made a fool of himself. Reichwing climate deniers always do. They fall for the denial propaganda of the big energy companies, who spend millions brainwashing tiny reichwing brains.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-indu
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Saturday, June 25, 2016 8:49 AM

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Monday, June 27, 2016 8:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Federal laboratory has been shut down due to extensive data manipulation regarding the fake science perpetuating the myth of global warming.

The first link said nothing about global warming, or even what the lab analyzed for. The second link went nowhere.


Are you saying the second link was no good? It did not link to the Inspector General's Report of Investigation?
Or you think it was insubstantial?
Quote:




Neither supported your babbling. So I looked further - what was this really about?
The lab appears to be a single-instrument lab that only uses that one kind of instrument called an ICP-MS (inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometer) Where I work we have a plethora of instruments, including two ICP-MSs.
An ICP-MS is useful for analyzing any solid that can be dissolved in acids, and gives you how much of the various elements are in each solid. So it's very useful for analyzing rocks, soils (made of broken down rocks), and dusts (made of broken down soils).
What it CAN'T do is analyze elements that combine together to form gases - like when one atom of the element carbon combines with four atoms of the element hydrogen to form the gas methane; or when one atom of the element carbon combines with two atoms of the element oxygen to form the gas carbon dioxide; or when one atom of the element carbon combines with two atoms of the element chlorine and two atoms of the element fluorine to form the gas dichlorodifluoromethane otherwise known as Freon-12 (all these gazes being important to global warming).
So, an ICP-MS can measure elements found in the various forms of rocks and other dissolveable solids, but can't measure important greenhouses gases. I'm not finding a direct connection between the lab and data vital to verifying global warming.


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Monday, June 27, 2016 9:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The second link repeatedly generates an error -

The connection was reset

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments.
(or repeatedly, over days)
If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection.
(get every page I try, just not this one)
If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy (no), make sure that is permitted to access the Web. (accessing 'the Web' is fine, just not that page)




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Monday, June 27, 2016 9:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


None of these links relate to whether or not global warming exists. As I posted earlier, the lab was analyzing 'inorganic' stuff that could be dissolved in acids: rock, soils, and dusts. More specifically they seemed to be looking at uranium in the environment (uranium is in rock, soil and dust), health effects of different energy sources (probably looking at mineral ash pollution from coal and oil), and US coal (coal is a rock).

NOTHING relates to the validity of global warming, which has to do with gases in the atmosphere.

I'm not going to look into this again.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3443201/posts?page=44
"The inorganic section of the U.S. Geological Survey’s (USGS) Energy Geochemistry Laboratory in Lakewood, Colo. manipulated data on a variety of topics – including many related to the environment."
But not global warming.

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/topic/272518-federal-lab-shut-down-after-
18-years-of-disturbing-data-manipulation
/
repeat of the first

http://whatifthereisnorapture.blogspot.com/2016/06/disturbing-data-man
ipulation-forces.html

"The research topics that faced data manipulation – including uranium in the environment, health effects of energy resources, and U.S. coal resources and reserves – was “disturbing,” Westerman said."
But not global warming.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/23/federal-lab-forced-to-close-after-di
sturbing-data-manipulation
/
repeat of the previous article

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=878032
repeat of the first article





Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
More linkies:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3443201/posts?page=44

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/topic/272518-federal-lab-shut-down-after-
18-years-of-disturbing-data-manipulation
/

http://whatifthereisnorapture.blogspot.com/2016/06/disturbing-data-man
ipulation-forces.html


http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/23/federal-lab-forced-to-close-after-di
sturbing-data-manipulation
/

http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=878032




So I went to the USGS' website and decided to do a few searches and see what kinds of papers their data was used in.

Out of curiosity, I did a search of "climate". No results.
So I looked for "uranium" and got a crap-ton of results. AHA! I know the database works!
So I tried for "global". Got a few hits on that, mostly on global distribution of gas or oil resources.
"Global climate" finds nothing.
"Glacial" brings up nothing.
"Carbon dioxide" brings up nothing.
"Carbon" brings up 106 papers, scanning the first page it seems mostly about carbon dioxide storage sites, but I can't call up more than that.
"Coal" brings up "The Paleozoic record of changes in global climate and sea level" (2004) and "The evolution of global climate from the Carboniferous to the Tertiary" (1984).

I can guess what a lab like this MIGHT be doing, especially if they have several mass spectrometers, and one of those tasks is to establish the atomic weight ratios of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen or other elements, and thus establish the geologic age of a particular deposit. I'll give you an example of how this might be useful: Say that there is a large methane pocket slowly bubbling up to the surface of an urban landscape which has both oil deposits and old landfills (which produce methane) and causing a hazard. ONE way to determine the source of the methane is to look at the C12 versus C14 ratios ... yanno, carbon-dating the gas. By carbon-dating the gas, one can determine if the source is geologic (a natural gas deposit) or historic (a "lost" landfill).

This is especially important when trying to establish the geologic age of carbon dioxide and water in a glacier, which can say something about geologic global warming.

However, I COULD FIND NO SUCH EVIDENCE THAT THIS LAB DID GLOBAL-WARMING WORK. OTHER work, yes, but not related to global warming.

That you keep insisting that this lab's fraud is evidence of some sort of conspiracy surrounding global warming ... when it had little, if anything, to do with the topic ... I just don't know what to say. It's global climate shift deniers grasping at straws because they've run out of anything substantive to say.

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Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:04 AM

REAVERFAN


Just more deniers denying solid science and believing denial propaganda bought by- you guessed it! - big energy companies like ExxonMobil.

Oh, what's this?

ExxonMobil climate change cover-up probe to expand as 17 AGs join NY to tackle fossil fuel firms

https://www.rt.com/usa/337698-exxonmobil-lawsuit-climate-change/

So much more!

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-indu
stries
/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oil-cover-up-climate_us_570e98bbe4
b0ffa5937df6ce

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dark-money-funds-climate-cha
nge-denial-effort
/
http://graphics.latimes.com/oil-operations/

Are you really that gullible? I feel sorry for you.

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Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:29 PM

THGRRI


Deny Global Warming at your own expense. He is waiting for you!

http://insideclimatenews.org/

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Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The second link repeatedly generates an error -

The connection was reset

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments.
(or repeatedly, over days)
If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection.
(get every page I try, just not this one)
If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy (no), make sure that is permitted to access the Web. (accessing 'the Web' is fine, just not that page)


Thank you for your reply.
I checked the link yesterday, and again today - all on different computers. I was able to get to the link destination, no delay at all. I thank you for letting me know that you have a problem with this link or site, because there is no way for me to check if this problem exists for everybody else.
I saw a button for pdf which sent me to a different page/address. I have copied the link and posted below. If you have problems viewing this as well, I will try to copy it entirely.

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf

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Wednesday, July 6, 2016 1:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/07/investigators-us-lab-w
orker-colorado-faked-test-results



Investigators: U.S. Lab Worker in Colorado Faked Test Results

A worker at a federal laboratory in Colorado intentionally manipulated test results for years, possibly tainting research that includes toxic metals in the Everglades, uranium near the Grand Canyon and coal in Afghanistan, investigators say. ... The manipulation occurred between 2008 and 2014 at the USGS Energy Geochemistry Laboratory in the Denver suburb of Lakewood, the inspector general said. The test samples were mostly coal and water.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!

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Wednesday, July 6, 2016 6:05 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/07/investigators-us-lab-w
orker-colorado-faked-test-results



Investigators: U.S. Lab Worker in Colorado Faked Test Results

A worker at a federal laboratory in Colorado intentionally manipulated test results for years, possibly tainting research that includes toxic metals in the Everglades, uranium near the Grand Canyon and coal in Afghanistan, investigators say. ... The manipulation occurred between 2008 and 2014 at the USGS Energy Geochemistry Laboratory in the Denver suburb of Lakewood, the inspector general said. The test samples were mostly coal and water.




Let me just point out that the author left out vital relevant facts in the opinion piece. Doing that is known as cherry-picking. And whether you do that in the news, in discussion, in debate or in opinion, when you distort the facts, you've changed the nature of your communication into propaganda. But WE don't have any of THAT in the US, do we?!
And this has what to do with AGW?

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Wednesday, July 6, 2016 6:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2016/07/investigators-us-lab-w
orker-colorado-faked-test-results


Investigators: U.S. Lab Worker in Colorado Faked Test Results
A worker at a federal laboratory in Colorado intentionally manipulated test results for years, possibly tainting research that includes toxic metals in the Everglades, uranium near the Grand Canyon and coal in Afghanistan, investigators say. ... The manipulation occurred between 2008 and 2014 at the USGS Energy Geochemistry Laboratory in the Denver suburb of Lakewood, the inspector general said. The test samples were mostly coal and water.- KIKI

And this has what to do with AGW?- REAVERFAN



NOTHING, I think!

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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