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Sanders wins debate, but media calls it for Hillary

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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:43 PM

REAVERFAN


Sanders won every poll and focus group by wide margins. Americans said Bernie won.

The media spins it for Hillary, anyway.

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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:50 PM

REAVERFAN


According to CNN's own poll, Bernie Sanders wiped the floor.

Sanders 81%, Clinton 13%

Let there be NO doubt. Contrary to the mainstream media's lies, Bernie Sanders is the Democratic choice of America.

Time Warner Inc owns CNN.
Time Warner Inc is Hillary's 7th biggest financial supporter.
CNN is posting all over that Hillary won the debate.
CNN's own polls show that 81% of their viewers think Bernie won.
CNN will not even post the results of their own poll.

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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 2:45 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Sanders made it even clearer than ever that he doesn't really want to be president. He just wants to move the race to the left.

Martin O'Malley and Hillary Clinton argued about the 1999 repeal of a 1933 bank regulation. Offering an appealing dose of clarity, Bernie Sanders burst in with his take: "Congress does not regulate Wall Street; Wall Street regulates Congress."

To Clinton, policy problems require policy solutions, and the more nuanced and narrowly tailored the solution, the better. To Sanders, policy problems stem from a fundamental imbalance of political power. The issue with finance isn't so much the presence or the absence of any specific rule; it's that the system is rigged, and the fat cats are running the show.

Sanders posits — against all evidence — that changing the occupant of the White House will suddenly alter dynamics in Congress and allow for the passage of sweeping legislation that is currently frustrated.

There's just no reason to believe this is true. To really, truly get Democratic policies passed would require the banal work of recruiting dozens of talented House and Senate candidates and getting them to win elections in GOP-held districts.

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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 6:42 PM

WHOZIT


I didn't watch it, but I heard O'Malley was able to keep his shirt on and Sanders didn't blow any old man farts.

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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Sanders posits — against all evidence — that changing the occupant of the White House will suddenly alter dynamics in Congress and allow for the passage of sweeping legislation that is currently frustrated.
If there was any truly democratic candidate with a popular mandate within one vote of becoming President, he (or she) would last as long as a snowflake in Miami in July. Expect a small plane accident or something.

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Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:16 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If there was any truly democratic candidate with a popular mandate within one vote of becoming President, he (or she) would last as long as a snowflake in Miami in July. Expect a small plane accident or something.

I wonder if Sanders would test that out.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Thursday, October 15, 2015 2:39 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Second

In the words of John Lennon - or was it Vlad Lenin - imagine.

Imagine a phenomenal turnout and a vote that says MANDATE. A country mobilized and alert, ready for real change. Do you think Congress would drag their feet and make themselves sitting ducks? Or would they give way to political self-preservation and align themselves with the forces of history?

I've always thought that a single election cycle was never going to be the key.

But (while I don't think Sanders is even close) I've been reconsidering that idea. I think it would depend on how dynamic did the situation seem, how large and mobilized was the population, ... etc. So I'm edging toward the idea it could, under specific conditions, be possible.






SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:24 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Second

In the words of John Lennon - or was it Vlad Lenin - imagine.

Imagine a phenomenal turnout and a vote that says MANDATE. A country mobilized and alert, ready for real change. Do you think Congress would drag their feet and make themselves sitting ducks? Or would they give way to political self-preservation and align themselves with the forces of history?

I've always thought that a single election cycle was never going to be the key.

But (while I don't think Sanders is even close) I've been reconsidering that idea. I think it would depend on how dynamic did the situation seem, how large and mobilized was the population, ... etc. So I'm edging toward the idea it could, under specific conditions, be possible.

What you're imagining is a Parliamentary system rather than a Presidential system. The Prime Minister gets what she wants because the Opposition Party is powerless.

In Presidential systems, politics is the process of making decisions amid diverse opinions. It involves conversation, calm deliberation, self-discipline, the capacity to listen to other points of view and balance valid but competing ideas. But this new Republican faction regards the messy business of politics as soiled and impure. Compromise is corruption. Inconvenient facts are ignored. Countrymen with different views are regarded as aliens and any compromise is regarded as a blood betrayal.

The only MANDATE that will change America is voting Republicans out of thousands of offices across America. Electing, even by a landslide, one Democrat to the Presidency will not change the minds of elected Republicans in Congress.

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Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:54 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I was watching Hardball last night and Chris Matthews declared Bernie the winner. Others called it a tie between Hilary and Bernie. The "experts" seemed to be split, but I counted more votes for Bernie than for Hilary.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Sanders won every poll and focus group by wide margins. Americans said Bernie won.

The media spins it for Hillary, anyway.


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Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:15 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Sanders made it even clearer than ever that he doesn't really want to be president. He just wants to move the race to the left.

Martin O'Malley and Hillary Clinton argued about the 1999 repeal of a 1933 bank regulation. Offering an appealing dose of clarity, Bernie Sanders burst in with his take: "Congress does not regulate Wall Street; Wall Street regulates Congress."

To Clinton, policy problems require policy solutions, and the more nuanced and narrowly tailored the solution, the better. To Sanders, policy problems stem from a fundamental imbalance of political power. The issue with finance isn't so much the presence or the absence of any specific rule; it's that the system is rigged, and the fat cats are running the show.

Sanders posits — against all evidence — that changing the occupant of the White House will suddenly alter dynamics in Congress and allow for the passage of sweeping legislation that is currently frustrated.

There's just no reason to believe this is true. To really, truly get Democratic policies passed would require the banal work of recruiting dozens of talented House and Senate candidates and getting them to win elections in GOP-held districts.

He made no such claim. There will have to be a more progressive congress, too.

Clinton is a neocon, barely different from Romney, bought and sold by big money. If elected, she will do NOTHING about Citizens United. Her fake progressivism is appalling and a demonstrable lie.

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Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:31 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
The only one who won the debate was CNN - badda boom



G, catch this quote. 1kiki is so fucked up she doesn't how to distinguish between a mass murder and a rock star. Lenin killed millions of his own people so he could exert complete control over those he ruled. Man these two, SIG and 1KIKI are fucked up.

Quote:



1kiki
In the words of John Lennon - or was it Vlad Lenin - imagine.



What a piece of work she is.


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Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:23 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
He made no such claim. There will have to be a more progressive congress, too.

Clinton is a neocon, barely different from Romney, bought and sold by big money. If elected, she will do NOTHING about Citizens United. Her fake progressivism is appalling and a demonstrable lie.

The same was said about Al Gore and look what happened. In 2000, Ralph Nader was the liberal, Al Gore was the neocon, and George Bush was the president. All the Bernie Sanders lib-lovers/neocon-haters will make a Republican the next President.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader_presidential_campaign,_2000#
After_the_election


If Bernie is the Democrats' candidate, even that monster Ted Cruz would beat him for the Presidency.

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Friday, October 16, 2015 1:42 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"All the Bernie Sanders lib-lovers/neocon-haters will make a Republican the next President."

If he was running as an independent he might have pulled a Ross Perot and split a party's vote, resulting in that party's loss. But he's running in a primary as a democrat which I think results in a different dynamic. Only one democrat can emerge as winner. And that person will be facing only one other serious contender.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Friday, October 16, 2015 7:41 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
"All the Bernie Sanders lib-lovers/neocon-haters will make a Republican the next President."

If he was running as an independent he might have pulled a Ross Perot and split a party's vote, resulting in that party's loss. But he's running in a primary as a democrat which I think results in a different dynamic. Only one democrat can emerge as winner. And that person will be facing only one other serious contender.

The only dynamic here is Bernard Sanders was born on September 8, 1941 and is age 74. He is too damn old to be President. His die-hard supporters will get angry when their old-man is not the Democratic Party's nominee. They will decide to either not vote or they will vote for anybody other than the Democrat or the Republican nominees. The result will be that the Republicans win.

That is how Bernie can play the same role as Ralph Nader did in 2000. And without Bernie even running as a third party candidate. I really dread Donald Trump and Ted Cruz winning by a fraction of a percent in the popular vote.

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Friday, October 16, 2015 10:22 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND, as far as Sanders -supporters staying away in droves ... yanno, the only pressure that the voters have on the candidates and the parties that nominate them is the power to withdraw their support/vote. If that thought keeps the Democratic party leadership up at night, good! It should! The Democratic Party was smacked once by Nader*. Maybe they need to be smacked again. Maybe they need to dissolve altogether.

So it put forward a candidate who promised us the sun, the moon, and the stars and then did bupkis (Obama). If you don't believe me, look at where we are now! The NSA has been -and still is - snooping on everyone, and they have the huge computer facility in Utah to prove it! Without using USA troops, the Obama administration (thanks mainly to Hillary and her fellow-neocons in the State Department) have managed to destabilize two MORE nations. The rich are richer than ever, but the economy (as measured by the participation rate, not the incredibly phonied-up unemployment rate) is stalled, and instead of universal affordable healthcare we all got shoved into the maw to feed the private insurers. And finally, Obama ... as another one of his legacies ... is pushing two more "free trade" agreements.

Hillary is a tremendously corrupt candidate. The Democratic Party might want to SERIOUSLY start representing the middle class if they want to get the vote. There is little policy difference, overall, between Hillary and whatever candidate the Republicans put up. I've already decided to vote third-party.

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As far as Sander being "too old" ... Hillary was born 1947 and she's had a stroke. And Biden was born in 1942, but that didn't keep him from being floated as a possible Hillary-substitute. So I guess that's why we have Vice-Presidents!

Both of the "bigger" official Dem candidates are pretty tottery, and Hillary is a corrupt neocon. Of the two, I'd rather see a tottery honest person on the ticket than a tottery corrupt one.
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*BTW- Bush didn't win the vote, it was handed to him electronically and by the Supreme Court. There is solid evidence that Florida was a test case, and the six swing states after that were also electronically stolen. Those are facts that even the Democratic Party would like to see buried, but they are stubbornly there, no matter if TPTB make them disappear from history.


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Friday, October 16, 2015 1:19 PM

REAVERFAN


Clinton is 67. Trump is 69. His age isn't an issue.


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Friday, October 16, 2015 3:07 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Republicans relentlessly pursue their goals of being elected. That is why they control more than half of all elected offices and why they have a 50/50 chance of winning the Presidency one more time. And the Republicans manage to keep winning in thousands and thousands of elections despite an anti-political political ethos producing elected leaders of jaw-dropping incompetence who do not believe in government and so do not respect it.

On the other hand, the Democrats are remarkably different from the Republicans in pursuing election. Once elected, Hillary or Bernie or Biden could be competent, unlike any Republican, but they also are sickly old people. They look like they will die from ill health at the first political crisis. Any one of them could be FDR in his fourth term: dead man walking.

For all you who don't know, FDR was 63 when he died. He hid his serious illnesses from the first election to the last. As did JFK, dead at 46. As did LBJ, dead at 64. Seems to me like a Democratic Party tradition.

As for Bill Clinton living to the end of Hillary's second term? I give it a 1% chance. That's better than nothing.

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Saturday, October 17, 2015 7:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-
primary





SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, October 17, 2015 7:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



That is how Bernie can play the same role as Ralph Nader did in 2000. And without Bernie even running as a third party candidate.

"Mr. Nader, running as the Green Party nominee (in 2000 ...)" It's that third party effect draining Democratic votes I was talking about. And that's exactly happened in 2000. I truly don't understand how 'Bernie can play the same role as Ralph Nader did in 2000' when he's not a third party candidate like Nader was.




SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:49 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


the mainstream media hate Sanders, only themselves and Soros could pull off the blacklivesmatter ambush BS

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Tuesday, September 10, 2024 12:56 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Bernie Sanders says he still considers Kamala Harris to be 'progressive'

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6361758408112

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Thursday, September 19, 2024 8:27 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


a time when Reaver fan was less crazy and not wacko like Wishimay or threatening to kill others

'Pizzagate' is totally fake they said, there were no Epstein pedo islands they said

don't listen to Ron Paul

and ignore Tulsi they say


https://truthinmedia.com/

https://sovren.media/

Former presidential candidate and "Russiagate" hoax author Hillary Clinton inadvertently called for her own arrest and imprisonment this week, when she demanded that anyone spreading "misinformation" and "propaganda" be sent to jail.


Sanders joins with AOC, the Arab muslim left in America, he has seen enough bombs and death on Palestinians?

Bernie Sanders preparing resolutions to block $20B in US arms sales to Israel
https://accesswdun.com/article/2024/9/1263144

Donald Trump says Bernie Sanders threw Kamala Harris 'under the bus' by calling her 'total phony'
https://news.meaww.com/heres-why-donald-trump-says-bernie-sanders-comm
ents-on-kamala-harris-ideals-threw-her-under-the-bus

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