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2 Cops Suing Gun Dealer

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Tuesday, October 13, 2015 5:23 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


A twist on 2nd Amendment rights. 2 Cops are suing a Milwaukee Gun Dealer, claiming negligence and unlawful selling of a firearm.


http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/06/judge-napolitano-injured-milwauk
ee-officers-suing-gun-shop-have-case-are-rolling-dice


And here we go!


SGG

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Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:49 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Be interesting to know if the straw buyer was prosecuted. Under Federal law he could be on the hook for 5 years for the straw purchase, and 5 years for lying on the background check form.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:13 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And here we go!

FOX News missed the most important part of the story, the history of the family that owns Badger Guns:

From 2009
www.dailykos.com/story/2009/09/30/788266/-Badger-Guns-Often-Tied-To-Cr
ime

Badger Guns is the the biggest seller of crime guns in the United States. City leaders in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, are ramping up their efforts to get guns off the streets. They want tougher laws and they want to crackdown on one particular gun store, Badger Guns.

A total of 1,880 crime guns recovered in Milwaukee were linked to Badger Guns between January 2006 and September 1 2009 – or more than one a day, according to a Journal Sentinel analysis.

Badger Guns isn’t just the biggest seller of crime guns in Milwaukee, but among the biggest in the nation. Badger was one of the top sellers a decade ago and was No. 1 as of 2005, according to federal data. Congress has since forbidden the release of such rankings.

There is so much more that FOX News did not cover
www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/badger-guns-failed-miserably
-in-handgun-sale-officers-attorney-says-b99595225z1-332166222.html


Kunisch and Norberg are two of the six Milwaukee officers shot with guns sold by Badger Guns or its predecessor, Badger Outdoors, over less than two years. Two other officers shot in a separate incident are set to go to trial next year.

New roles, new license

The conspiracy allegation by Kunisch and Norberg is aimed at how the store went from being Badger Outdoors to Badger Guns in 2007.

In 2006, regulators from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives recommended revoking Badger Outdoors' license. But there was no revocation.

The players then took on new roles and a new license was issued to Adam Allan, the son of former owner Walter Allan, creating what one federal official called a "clean slate," a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel investigation found. Michael Allan, Walter Allan's other son, now runs a gun store in the same location.

The jury did not hear evidence about the recommended revocation because the owners said they didn't know about it until they read it in the Journal Sentinel.

Dunphy did stress to the jury that there were violations in the 2006 inspection, which led to speeding up the plan to have Adam Allan take over the business.

Wendy Gunderson, who represents Badger Outdoors and its owners, Mick Beatovic and Walter Allan, assailed the notion that Dunphy had proved any evidence of a conspiracy. She said it was nothing more than a routine transaction where a business is sold to a family member. She said Beatovic and Walter Allan were ready to retire, not committing a conspiracy.

Badger Guns and Badger Outdoors were top sellers of crime guns recovered in Milwaukee for more than a decade. In 2005, Badger Outdoors was the top seller of crime guns in the nation with 537 such weapons recovered.

Such gun trace data has not been released recently because of a secrecy measure passed by Congress. Several documents, including ATF inspection reports, being cited in the trial also cannot be released under exceptions made by Congress. However, they have been turned over through this lawsuit.

Badger Guns' license was revoked by ATF in 2011 but the Collins transaction was not cited as a violation so the jury did not hear that the store's license was yanked.


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Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:24 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Be interesting to know if the straw buyer was prosecuted. Under Federal law he could be on the hook for 5 years for the straw purchase, and 5 years for lying on the background check form.

Officer Bryan Norberg and former Officer Graham Kunisch were shot by Julius Burton during a routine stop on Milwaukee's near southside in June 2009. A month earlier, Jacob Collins bought the gun at Badger Guns for Burton, who was too young to buy a handgun from a store. Burton paid Collins $60. Burton is serving 80 years while Collins already finished his two years in federal prison.
www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/badger-guns-failed-miserably
-in-handgun-sale-officers-attorney-says-b99595225z1-332166222.html


For two years, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel has investigated how Congress has created special rules for gun stores that protect even the biggest sellers of guns to criminals. The series has revealed how a gun store’s violations were erased with a simple ownership change, the public can’t see violations because of secrecy laws and felons can rent firearms at gun stores without a background check.
www.jsonline.com/wipedclean

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Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:28 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Jury finds for wounded officers in Badger Guns lawsuit

A jury late Tuesday afternoon found for two wounded police officers in their nationally watched lawsuit against Badger Guns and awarded the officers $5 million.

The high-profile case, only the second of its kind nationwide, went to the jury of eight women and four men late Monday afternoon and deliberations continued Tuesday. They deliberated for nine hours.

More at http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/jury-finds-for-wounde
d-officers-in-badger-guns-lawsuit-b99596217z1-332567372.html

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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 2:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Interesting point. All of these laws should be tightened up.

It's funny how back in the days of the Wild West (see Tombstone, Dodge) they had gun control, and we refuse to have it now.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by GEEZER:
Be interesting to know if the straw buyer was prosecuted. Under Federal law he could be on the hook for 5 years for the straw purchase, and 5 years for lying on the background check form.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."


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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 3:11 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


The additional information below was, however, covered by NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt. I try to watch it whenever I can when it is on in my part of the country.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And here we go!

FOX News missed the most important part of the story, the history of the family that owns Badger Guns:

From 2009
www.dailykos.com/story/2009/09/30/788266/-Badger-Guns-Often-Tied-To-Cr
ime

Badger Guns is the the biggest seller of crime guns in the United States. City leaders in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, are ramping up their efforts to get guns off the streets. They want tougher laws and they want to crackdown on one particular gun store, Badger Guns.

A total of 1,880 crime guns recovered in Milwaukee were linked to Badger Guns between January 2006 and September 1 2009 – or more than one a day, according to a Journal Sentinel analysis.

Badger Guns isn’t just the biggest seller of crime guns in Milwaukee, but among the biggest in the nation. Badger was one of the top sellers a decade ago and was No. 1 as of 2005, according to federal data. Congress has since forbidden the release of such rankings.

There is so much more that FOX News did not cover
www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/badger-guns-failed-miserably
-in-handgun-sale-officers-attorney-says-b99595225z1-332166222.html


Kunisch and Norberg are two of the six Milwaukee officers shot with guns sold by Badger Guns or its predecessor, Badger Outdoors, over less than two years. Two other officers shot in a separate incident are set to go to trial next year.

New roles, new license

The conspiracy allegation by Kunisch and Norberg is aimed at how the store went from being Badger Outdoors to Badger Guns in 2007.

In 2006, regulators from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives recommended revoking Badger Outdoors' license. But there was no revocation.

The players then took on new roles and a new license was issued to Adam Allan, the son of former owner Walter Allan, creating what one federal official called a "clean slate," a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel investigation found. Michael Allan, Walter Allan's other son, now runs a gun store in the same location.

The jury did not hear evidence about the recommended revocation because the owners said they didn't know about it until they read it in the Journal Sentinel.

Dunphy did stress to the jury that there were violations in the 2006 inspection, which led to speeding up the plan to have Adam Allan take over the business.

Wendy Gunderson, who represents Badger Outdoors and its owners, Mick Beatovic and Walter Allan, assailed the notion that Dunphy had proved any evidence of a conspiracy. She said it was nothing more than a routine transaction where a business is sold to a family member. She said Beatovic and Walter Allan were ready to retire, not committing a conspiracy.

Badger Guns and Badger Outdoors were top sellers of crime guns recovered in Milwaukee for more than a decade. In 2005, Badger Outdoors was the top seller of crime guns in the nation with 537 such weapons recovered.

Such gun trace data has not been released recently because of a secrecy measure passed by Congress. Several documents, including ATF inspection reports, being cited in the trial also cannot be released under exceptions made by Congress. However, they have been turned over through this lawsuit.

Badger Guns' license was revoked by ATF in 2011 but the Collins transaction was not cited as a violation so the jury did not hear that the store's license was yanked.



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Wednesday, October 14, 2015 3:27 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Double-edged sword.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Jury finds for wounded officers in Badger Guns lawsuit

A jury late Tuesday afternoon found for two wounded police officers in their nationally watched lawsuit against Badger Guns and awarded the officers $5 million.

The high-profile case, only the second of its kind nationwide, went to the jury of eight women and four men late Monday afternoon and deliberations continued Tuesday. They deliberated for nine hours.

More at http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/jury-finds-for-wounde
d-officers-in-badger-guns-lawsuit-b99596217z1-332567372.html


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