I don't care for them. I think they are a bunch of whiney little girls who think they deserve everything.

I lived in Lubbock, Texas (where NM is from), for 5 years when I attended Texas Tech University. They bashed their hometown pretty good on their last album, and that is unfortunate. I guess they think Freedom of Speech only goes their way.

They can bash their country, their president, and their hometown, and that should be all right, but when the people who buy their music decide they would rather spend there money in other places, they feel like their Freedom of Speech has been infringed.



Sorry, but they are not Browncoats in my book.

I think they felt their Freedom of Speech was being infringed on mostly because they and their families where receiving death threats. But I don't count it as a message thing. It's a spirit thing. The spirit of doing what you think is right, no matter the consequenses. To me, that's what a Browncoat represents.

Huh. Ain't it kinda funny, Terri, how some folks think that freedom of speech only applies to people who agree with them?

I love the Dixie Chicks, did even before they spoke up. And HeightsRider, they did NOT "bash" their country or their hometown. They said they were ashamed to come from the same state as the man I refuse to even refer to as our President. Don't twist someone's words into something you can use as an excuse to badmouth them.

Try listening to the song Lubbock or Leave It.

And how was their Freedom of Speech inrfinged upon? Were they forced to retract what they said? Were they thrown in jail? Were they kicked out of the country?

No. They made a statement, and when others disagreed with it, they quit buying their albums. And those same people utilized their Freedom of Speech and called radio stations, and asked for the DC to not be played.

And radio stations, being a entity that makes their money by keeping listeners, you know cause of the whole advertising thing, decided it was in their best interest to molify thier listeners by not playing the DC.

So, how does your statement about "freedom of speech applies only to those who agree with them" apply here?

Apparently, nobodies Freedoms were infringed upon, including the DC, their former fans, and the radio stations.

Sucks to be wrong, don't it, FrellingBlonde.

Hmm, don't care for them, and yet you know songs from their last album. Interesting.

Their freedom of speech was infringed upon by blind, ignorant people who misinterpreted what they said and twisted it, claimed that they were anti-American and didn't support our troops. People just plain overreacted. And don't even try telling me that threatening to murder their young children isn't overreacting.

There's no right or wrong here. There's opinions, and I'm gonna show some restraint and not use my freedom of speech to express my opinion of you.

Wow, HeightsRaider said everything I was just about to type. I don't feel in anyway the DC are Browncoats.

In my opinion, the Dixie Chicks couldn't touch it takes to be a Browncoat. There is no right or wrong here, but I think that the Dixie Chicks being on anything Firefly, is nauseating personally. Before they decided to express their opinion, I was not a fan of their music but had no ill feelings towards them. Afterwards however, with all of their whining about it, now I just think that they are pretty small minded and in no way are anything Browncoat.

Like I said, I lived in Lubbock for 5 years (my name comes from the fact that I am a Red Raider, from Texas Tech University), and still have a lot of friends that live there. When the DC ablbum cme out, that song kind of made an impression on the people who live there, and so I read the lyrics. Natalie has the audacity to compare herself to Buddy Holly.

And I knew Natalie Maines, not the one you see now, but the one who was singing in bars before she was ever in the DC, and I saw her daddy and uncle play many, many times.

I agree with about the death threats, no one should have to go through that. But their Freedom of Speech was nevder, and I repeat, never infringed upon.

Natalie said what she said, and some people called it unpatriotic. That doesn't mean her rights were infringed upon. You think my expression is idiotic, have you infringed on my freedom of speech by not agreeing with me?

And there is "right or wrong" in this issue. Natalie was right to express her opinions, as were the consumers, who expressed their. The wrong is when people try to turn this into a Freedom of Speech issue, when it is quite obvios that nobodies freedoms were infringed upon.

And express yourself anyway you want to, honey. I am a big boy, and I can take it, apparently unlike Natalie Maines.

Pardon the above post for its numerous spelling and grammatical errors.

Damn rules!

"We're very ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas."

Okay, the irony here? He's not even originally from Texas. He's a Conneticut blue blood who likes to play "cowboy."

Actually, I'm pretty ashamed that the guy is from New England...

Boy, it didn't take long for this to downgrade into a politics discussion. To all: Don't agree, don't gripe about it, just ignore it. I've already had a couple people ask me to use it, so there is a market for it. Just ignore it and it will go away. Like it: Use it. But don't get into name calling arguments with anybody. Not worth it. It's just something Firefly related, and I made it, and I was pretty happy with the way it turned out. So, you know, I just wanted to share it. And what happened to all that Browncoat love? Can't we all just join hands and sing the Ballad of Serenity? C'mon, people, take my love, take my land, you know the words!

Terri, you are right, and I apologize for hijacking your thread.

You did a good job, and I made a comment that was not appropriate to the topic.

Whether I agree with you opinion or not, you did a nice job on the icon.

HeightsRaider

I like the Chicks' music, don't care for their politics. Since when does being a celebrity make your opinion right?

And making death threats on Adrian Pasdar's kids (an actor married to one of the chicks, was on Mysterious Ways and now on Heroes as a political candidate with super powers) is not acceptable behavior. We ought put them through an engine, or something...

But, here it is. I don't like reading down the line of posts and seeing Terri attack HR's character, just because Terri agrees with the DC and HR decidely does not.

Vince

Okay, Zookeeper, you'll have to excuse me, but what thread were you reading? I wouldn't even have responded to this if it didn't suggest that I would do something like that. I might not agree with you, but I try to listen to all sides. So, yeah, go back, take it slow, and read the thread again. I wasn't the one engaged mostly in the discussion, if you'll notice, though I do agree with the person who did.

There you go again! Nice to know if I don't agree with you I'm just an idiot...

Take it slow, indeed.

Vince

Oh hell...should I start handing out flak jackets? Cuz the amount of stuff getting flung about here is rather impressive in its quantity;)

Honestly? I like the Dixie Chicks...don't love like crazy, but I like them. Not really super impressed with how they have expressed their views in the past though, but they got a constitutional right to free speech, just as everyone here has (even us Canucks). They expressed their feelings and others did the same thing by boycotting their records and asking for their music to be taken of playlists.

Now then...I think everyone needs to take a moment or ten away from the topic to relax, decompress and remember that we are a disparate group of individuals united by our love of the 'Verse. That means we will disagree - even to the point of harsh comments, unfortunately - about a wide variety of topics...but we will also remember that some people feel the same way about Joss and his message, so slanging the Dixie Chick or their supporters will prove nothing but a willingness to act in a less than flattering light.

I respect everyone's opinion here...even if I have strong words about them, personally. Watching people get all riled up and nasty at one another leaves me rather cold. And I don't like being cold really;)

BEB

What is funny is that I don't care what they said about the President.

The reason I don't like them is the way they reacted after thier comments were criticized.

Instead of rationally discussing their viewpoints, they start complaining about their Freedom of Speech being infringed upon, and then go on to bash the very people who supported them the most, before and during the time they were big celebrities (i don't consider them as such now, since their new album has flooped, and they are cancelling tour stops left and right).

They are entitled to their views, but they damn well should know that they are going to pay a price when they make their opinions public on a very big stage (literally and figuratively) Odds are that not everone is going to agree with you, and that some percentage of those people are going to become alienated.

Another thing I find humorous is that people assume my political leanings because I don't care for a pop music band. After reading back through my posts, I can't find a single instance where I said anything supportive or deragatory about GWB.