Putin reveals Russia secret Crimea takeover in documentary

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GEEZER

Monday, March 9, 2015 6:42 PM

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has revealed he planned the annexation of Crimea four days before unidentified gunmen appeared in the region.

Crimea was formally absorbed on 18 March, to international condemnation.

Russia denied instigating the revolt against Ukraine, but in a forthcoming film, Mr Putin says he ordered work on "returning Crimea to Russia" at an all-night meeting in February.

The talks were called to plan the rescue of Ukraine's deposed president.

A trailer for the documentary was shown on state-run television Sunday night though a release date has not been confirmed.

Mr Putin is seen describing the meeting, held during the night of 22 and 23 February, with the heads of Russia's special services as well as its defence ministry.

"I invited the leaders of our special services and the defence ministry to the Kremlin and set them the task of saving the life of the president of Ukraine [Viktor Yanukovych], who would simply have been liquidated," Mr Putin says.

"We finished about seven in the morning. When we were parting, I told all my colleagues, 'We are forced to begin the work to bring Crimea back into Russia'."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226

Putin:

"I had nothing to do with the takeover of Crimea."

"I had nothing to do with the takeover of Crimea."

"I had nothing to do with the takeover of Crimea."

"I had nothing to do with the takeover of Crimea."

"I told my government to take over Crimea, and here's the documentary to prove it."

Wonder when the documentary on Russia's shootdown of MH17 will be coming out.

THGRRI

Tuesday, March 10, 2015 12:41 AM

Get ready for our two Russian spin doctors. First they will have to look to Russia for their talking points and then they will relay them to us.

MAL4PREZ

Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:56 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Get ready for our two Russian spin doctors. First they will have to look to Russia for their talking points and then they will relay them to us.

Maybe they are taking advantage of the cease fire to reload? Or the transpacific cable is down.

Serious mental gymnastics requires serious prep time. And the Putin-love twins need to make some twisty brain pretzels to fit this little thing into their fantasies LOL!

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THGRRI

Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:50 AM

What ever they chose to do it will include a flat out denial they lied or mislead anyone. They will ask for cites and then twist the replies all to hell. In no time at all they will be citing the same bullshit sources they always cite and it will be more of the same for all that converse with them. It should be apparent by now to even the dimmest of the dim who read their posts here, their reality is twisted, manipulative and serves to further Putin's and their agenda while attacking in any form they can those who oppose them.

I seem to recall someone who used to post here pointing this out about theses two ladies till he decided not to bother anymore. This was before I actually joined the site. I can't remember who that was but he called it right. It appears he no longer posts here.

MAL4PREZ

Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:00 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
What ever they chose to do it will include a flat out denial they lied or mislead anyone.

No doubt. And quoting their own posts back to them will be declared unfair LOL!

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I seem to recall someone who used to post here pointing this out about theses two ladies till he decided not to bother anymore. This was before I actually joined the site. I can't remember who that was but he called it right. It appears he no longer posts here.

Many people have left this site, and most of them not because of Siggy. She used to be quite sane, if a bit pompous.

In fact, her new insanity was something she started purposely. She changed suddenly some time ago, about the time you joined maybe. I called her on it and she admitted that she was doing things "differently." Didn't give details, but I figure that, for some reason, she had to give up her old shtick of tweaking Rap's tail. She did that for years and years and years on end. Same shit every thread.

Her new thing is more fun, imho, though only in small doses. ;)

ETA - I check in here so rarely that I forget who's who. Went back to your start THGGR - I forgot that you're totally a troll! That's so entertaining!

Carry on.

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THGRRI

Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:36 AM

Now I remember thanks , it was Miker. I reposted one of his old posts about how you operate because, out of nowhere you started with me. I had followed your signature back to a thread you started and saw where this guy had ripped you a new asshole, and my reposting it shut you down in an instant. As I remember it, when I did you began to rant about everybody and everything and left this site in a huff swearing never to return. I remember this guy battling with other trolls on these threads as well. Funny you should use the term troll to describe me in this thread. But hey, that's what fuck ups like you do. When you decided to return I left it alone so you could start fresh but here you go again, for no apparent reason starting with me. This guy Miker really had you pegged.

Any of this ring a bell

What follows is Miker ripping you a new ass.

Hey MAL4PREZ:

Mistakes do happen but not this time. When I did mistake your post for being hostel towards me, (the other post) you could have just pointed it out. After all you did recognize it as being a mistake and not directed at you? It does get a little confusing all these posts and all. So why did you respond the way you did????

I see with you, it is self praise your into. I love reading how you have my personality figured out. How you are so hip to me. So, your the groups psychoanalyst. I have enjoyed watching you slink in and out of conversations. Reappearing long enough to school the rest of us on our delusions or ignorance as perceived by you, only to disappear again. A bit of a narcissist huh.

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Mal4Prez
"Again I can do nothing but point and laugh. I have not argued with "Miker" before tonight. On purpose. To flush you out".

This is a quote from you and appears to me to be narcissistic and even sadistic behavior. What do you think, your the expert?

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Mal4Prez
"Sig undergoes an extreme change in personality after I poke her/it about her years-old symbiosis with Rap".

Another quote from you. You're so hip to us all. Yep, the psychoanalyst. I love the way you explain to the other participants in the thread what you are up to and how you have proceeded so brilliantly, because with you, that's what its really about is it not?

Which is why you have this link in your signature:

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57532
"Peer-reviewed scientific paper: Internet Trolls are Narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic".

Yeah, you have to show all how you are so brilliant and can stalk your victim coming in for the kill with your super wit to expose our psychosis. You pick something here someone said and pick something there someone said, because really, offering some new insight into the discussion is not what you are about. Coming to the rescue is. Trying to be everyone's champion is. After the setup of pretending to offer some new truth( which is usually little more than something you have cut and pasted ), you character assonate the one you have picked for that particular performance.

"Trolls are Narcissistic", and judging from what you have written in the posts I am responding to, I would say that title fits you just fine.

Your problem is, you have no arrows in you quiver.

Nope, not impressed at all.

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Mal4prez
"Again I can do nothing but point and laugh. I have not argued with "Miker" before tonight. On purpose. To flush you out".

That quote is pretty sadistic don't ya think? Both narcissistic and sadistic. Quite a combo.

My turn to flush you out. How do you like it? I waited for you to respond to this post in the other thread, but like I say above in this post, your style is to post and run, in and out. Your little quote here is just a small part of the smart ass posts about me in the other thread. Now this post will show up every time you send someone hear with your signature. You want to play, OK.

Like Miker says, you want to pla

1KIKI

Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM

“It was the night of the 22nd,” Putin told Rossiya One’s Andrey Kondrashov. “We were done by 7 am. And I won't conceal it, when we were saying goodbye, I told my colleagues – there were four of them – that the situation in Ukraine has evolved in such a way that we have to start work on returning Crimea to being a part of Russia. We couldn't abandon the territory and people who live there, couldn't just throw them under this nationalist bulldozer.”

Very different 'quotes'. You'd think that if someone is being electronically recorded and there's no ambiguity about what might have been heard or remembered, a simple quote would be the easiest things to get right.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Thursday, March 12, 2015 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
“It was the night of the 22nd,” Putin told Rossiya One’s Andrey Kondrashov. “We were done by 7 am. And I won't conceal it, when we were saying goodbye, I told my colleagues – there were four of them – that the situation in Ukraine has evolved in such a way that we have to start work on returning Crimea to being a part of Russia. We couldn't abandon the territory and people who live there, couldn't just throw them under this nationalist bulldozer.”

Very different 'quotes'. You'd think that if someone is being electronically recorded and there's no ambiguity about what might have been heard or remembered, a simple quote would be the easiest things to get right.

Putin gives his interviews in English now?

Difference probably derives from differing translations from Russian - the BBC's vs. your's which appears to be from RT.

Guess it depends on who you believe is more likely to spin it, BBC or RT.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

MAL4PREZ

Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:43 PM

Ha! Yep. You want to dance so bad Thug! Desperate for it. You could tell I'd forgotten your roots and was treating you like a normal poster, so you had to refer to "that guy who left." You just had to poke at it. Either you wanted me to remember what you are so you could get me to dance, or you wanted to gloat over how I didn't remember.

And yeah, bring Miker back. The one who deleted all his posts like a whiny scared little sock. That was priceless! Even more so that he remains your hero.

As for anything else you have to say - whatever! You've been playing these games for years. I know your pattern. I will mock you all I want, whenever I want. But nothing you can say will be taken personally by me. I know what you are, and you have no idea who I am. You try so hard to push my buttons but, as usual, you thoroughly fail.

Again - carry on. Sorry for the hijack. :)

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KPO

Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
“It was the night of the 22nd,” Putin told Rossiya One’s Andrey Kondrashov. “We were done by 7 am. And I won't conceal it, when we were saying goodbye, I told my colleagues – there were four of them – that the situation in Ukraine has evolved in such a way that we have to start work on returning Crimea to being a part of Russia. We couldn't abandon the territory and people who live there, couldn't just throw them under this nationalist bulldozer.”

Very different 'quotes'. You'd think that if someone is being electronically recorded and there's no ambiguity about what might have been heard or remembered, a simple quote would be the easiest things to get right.

Putin gives his interviews in English now?

Difference probably derives from differing translations from Russian - the BBC's vs. your's which appears to be from RT.

Guess it depends on who you believe is more likely to spin it, BBC or RT.

Oh God, she's quoting RT as an authoritative source again...

I see no contradiction between the quotes; why can they not simply be two separate statements Putin made?

It's not personal. It's just war.

THGRRI

Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Ha! Yep. You want to dance so bad Thug! Desperate for it. You could tell I'd forgotten your roots and was treating you like a normal poster, so you had to refer to "that guy who left." You just had to poke at it. Either you wanted me to remember what you are so you could get me to dance, or you wanted to gloat over how I didn't remember.

And yeah, bring Miker back. The one who deleted all his posts like a whiny scared little sock. That was priceless! Even more so that he remains your hero.

As for anything else you have to say - whatever! You've been playing these games for years. I know your pattern. I will mock you all I want, whenever I want. But nothing you can say will be taken personally by me. I know what you are, and you have no idea who I am. You try so hard to push my buttons but, as usual, you thoroughly fail.

Again - carry on. Sorry for the hijack. :)

It is your narcissistic streak that led you to believe I was responding to your post. Actually I was responding to G, as I have been doing for quite a while on the topic of these two women. You responded to my post, again directed at G, by quoting me, and then calling me a troll. Why, because according to Miker, this is what you do.

This last post by you about me trying to remember someone who used to post here combating the bullshit posted by these women as being directed at you, only shows your paranoia. However, since you called me a troll I thought I would let this voice from your past who knows you so well, reciprocate for me.

I'm not a troll, I'm a troll hunter.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, March 13, 2015 12:10 AM

yaaaaaaaawn! Stretch. Crick.

Bored now.

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MAL4PREZ

Friday, March 13, 2015 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Oh God, she's quoting RT as an authoritative source again...

I see no contradiction between the quotes; why can they not simply be two separate statements Putin made?

It's not personal. It's just war.

Wait, now wasn't there a thing when she or the twin denied using RT all the time, then when you showed proof they disappeared?

And what's the point of the "new" quote? How does it counter the fact that Putin intentionally planned to get Crimea back?

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1KIKI

Friday, March 13, 2015 8:31 AM

Putin gives his interviews in English now?
Difference probably derives from differing translations from Russian ...

Really? That doesn't account for whole missing sentences. I honestly don't know how you can post that presumption with any pretense of mental ability ... because ... translation involves leaving out many sentences .... ???

... the BBC's vs. your's which appears to be from RT.

Which is where this whole - hey it's been RECORDED - fact comes in. And ... you REALLY want me to believe the western press doesn't spin the news? REALLY? I'm not sure if you're that misleading, or if I should be insulted because you thinkl I'm that naive.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Friday, March 13, 2015 9:54 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Putin gives his interviews in English now?
Difference probably derives from differing translations from Russian ...

Really? That doesn't account for whole missing sentences. I honestly don't know how you can post that presumption with any pretense of mental ability ... because ... translation involves leaving out many sentences .... ???

... the BBC's vs. your's which appears to be from RT.

Which is where this whole - hey it's been RECORDED - fact comes in. And ... you REALLY want me to believe the western press doesn't spin the news? REALLY? I'm not sure if you're that misleading, or if I should be insulted because you thinkl I'm that naive.

Sort'a missing your point since both translations basically say, "OK, guys, I want you to come up with a plan to take ower Crimea and subsume it into Russia."

Playing word games doesn't disguise the thrust of Putin's plan, especially when he authorized (and you know it wouldn't be there if it wasn't authorized by him) a documentary that explained his "secret" takeover of Crimea.

You're such a tool it's not even funny anymore.

Here.

I'll save you some time.

Just cut and paste this from now on.

RUSSIA RIGHT. USA WRONG.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

1KIKI

Friday, March 13, 2015 10:23 AM

So you're of the 'BUT --- PUTIN!' crowd?

Because - it doesn't matter what Putin says, what information is considered, what facts exist - the US gets to do what it wants because ... 'BUT --- PUTIN!

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Friday, March 13, 2015 7:03 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So you're of the 'BUT --- PUTIN!' crowd?

Because - it doesn't matter what Putin says, what information is considered, what facts exist - the US gets to do what it wants because ... 'BUT --- PUTIN!

In either translation, Putin is asking his cronies to come up with a plan to take over Crimea, so I'm not really sure what your point is other than deflection. If you have some evidence that Putin really didn't ask for a plan for a Crimea takeover - evidence that basically refutes the documentary - bring it.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

SIGNYM

Friday, March 13, 2015 9:34 PM

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Funny... or troubling... that the twins are quiet at the same time Putin is MIA?

You have got to be shitting me! THIS is what you come up with? I hope it was a joke because otherwise you're in serious mental trouble, son.

SOME of us have jobs and family responsibilities, yanno!

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SIGNYM

Friday, March 13, 2015 9:38 PM

MAL4

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Wait, now wasn't there a thing when she or the twin denied using RT all the time, then when you showed proof they disappeared?

You either have a strange notion of "all the time" or a strange notion of "proof", or a strange notion of "disappeared".

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SIGNYM

Friday, March 13, 2015 9:50 PM

RESPONDING TO THE OP instead

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has revealed he planned the annexation of Crimea four days before unidentified gunmen appeared in the region.

Crimea was formally absorbed on 18 March, to international condemnation.

Russia denied instigating the revolt against Ukraine, but in a forthcoming film, Mr Putin says he ordered work on "returning Crimea to Russia" at an all-night meeting in February.

First of all, I think I'd like to see the documentary instead of the BBC's interpretation of what they think the documentary might say.

Let's assume that the Crimeans voted en masse to join Russia (which they did) and Kiev cuts off banking, pensions, water, and transportation (which they did). It would be folly of Putin not to make plans to re-supply Crimea with money and utilities. Much needs to be considered.... how do you change over currencies? How do you re-establish interbank communications and regular banking? Where does the water come from? The electricity? The gas? How do you handle border issues? Which passports do you use? Do you issue new passports?

The Russians managed to bring in a water supply (not sure how) and electricity, replaced all of the hryvnia with rubles, etc etc. A lot of activity that had nothing to do with little green men.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:31 AM

G, do you suppose it's even remotely possible that you can leave your prejudices at the door before you start posting?

Just OOC, were you terribly surprised by 9-11?

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MAL4PREZ

Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:25 PM

Epic dodges above...

I do wonder where putin went. Maybe the CIA killed him to take suspicion away from how the CIA killed nemtsov to take suspicion away from from how the CIA started the war in the Ukraine. Dang those guys are good. ;)

Or maybe he sentenced himself to hard labor in Siberia to punish himself for slipping up with the documentary... Oops! Ok, not that he's actually worried about it. As evidenced here, his cult will swallow any contradiction and wash it down with the yummy kool-aid.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:38 PM

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BWAHAHAHAHAHA! You're totally sh*tting everyone, right? Did you type that with a straight face? And if someone - god forbid - would ever stick a gun in your face would you say you *voluntarily* gave your money to them?

Of course not. EPIC FAIL on the analogy.

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G, do you suppose it's even remotely possible that you can leave your prejudices at the door before you start posting? Just OOC, were you terribly surprised by 9-11? -SIGNY
So, no comment on the documentary? "Deflection" must be a very popular word in Russia...

My god. MRGSTRING, how can I possibly comment on the documentary? It hasn't even been released yet!
I'll leave commenting on events which haven't happened to you, since that seems to be your specialty.

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What prejudice? Not to trust any government? It would be pretty naive to trust any of them - I don't know how you do it.

What are you, waiting with bated breathe for the latest propaganda?

The reason why I asked about 9-11 is because I wasn't surprised by it; in fact, I was a little relieved that it wasn't worse. Anyone who didn't see it coming was asleep. Please, wake up.

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THGRRI

Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:45 PM

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...Sig The reason why I asked about 9-11 is because I wasn't surprised by it; in fact, I was a little relieved that it wasn't worse. Anyone who didn't see it coming was asleep. Please, wake up.

The reason you mentioned 911 is to deflect from the issue while reminding others that The United States is the evil one who deserved it. You have posted here enough for us to understand what you wish to imply with impunity or with enough wiggle room to say that was not what you meant. More and more people here are separating out your subjective posting from the topic so it is harder and harder for you to hide what you are saying or not saying.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 15, 2015 7:53 AM

No, the reason why I mentioned 9-11 is because for most Americans it was a huge, existential shock.

For the first time it came clear to many Americans that people around the world hate us and are willing impose their vengeance in some really horrible ways.

My point wasn't whether we deserved it or not, but that fact that so many Americans were so terribly, terribly surprised.

Why were they?

It's because they live in a bubble, think in a bubble, and interact in a bubble.

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THGRRI

Sunday, March 15, 2015 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, the reason why I mentioned 9-11 is because for most Americans it was a huge, existential shock.

For the first time it came clear to many Americans that people around the world hate us and are willing impose their vengeance in some really horrible ways.

My point wasn't whether we deserved it or not, but that fact that so many Americans were so terribly, terribly surprised.

Why were they?

It's because they live in a bubble, think in a bubble, and interact in a bubble.

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Yeah, I don't think so. The list of bombings around the globe directed at us up until that point left little to ponder about what they thought of America. Again you're just talking out your ass. It's just a way for you to point the finger at America. You aren't fooling anyone, give it up.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:13 AM

"denied using RT all the time"

The word was constantly.

Mal4, if you're unfamiliar with the meaning, here's a definition:

con·stant·ly
'känst(?)n(t)le/
adverb
continuously over a period of time; always.

Also, I answered that post - twice. But let me repeat it here, again. First of all I posted two posts in 23 pages that ultimately came from RT. Now, maybe you think that meets the definition of 'constantly', but it was neither 'continuous' nor 'always'. Second, those posts came from emails that were sent to me. And while I didn't track back to find the 'source' I DID vet the information, which was true in both cases.

So, you're wrong when you say I 'disappeared'. You should align your notions with reality better.

Oh, what am I saying? It'd be easier for a pig to fly.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 15, 2015 12:43 PM

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Yeah, I don't think so. The list of bombings around the globe directed at us up until that point left little to ponder about what they thought of America

There was nothing to "ponder", it should have been self-evident that people around the world HATED us (still do). Furthermore, there was nothing between us, the Cole, and the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania except lots and lots of ocean. Why the fuck did anyone (you) even imagine they (you) were safe?

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GEEZER

Monday, March 16, 2015 9:04 AM

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MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin personally directed his nation’s capture of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula, he said in a documentary aired Sunday, in which he offered details of his deep involvement in last year’s quick and effective takeover.

Putin said that Russia had flooded the Black Sea peninsula with special forces officers in the days after President Viktor Yanukovych fled Kiev in February 2014, and Putin said that the success of the precision operation surprised even him. With Kiev in chaos, Putin said, he was ready at the time to put Russia’s nuclear forces on alert.

The more than two-hour-long documentary, called “Crimea: Path to the Homeland,” offered new details about Putin’s actions between Yanukovych’s late-night escape from Ukraine’s capital on Feb. 21, 2014, and Russia’s annexation of Crimea less than four weeks later. Russia is planning celebrations this week to mark the March 18 anniversary of the annexation, and the lavishly financed film was a kickoff.

Putin’s account gave fresh insight into a fast-moving military operation that caught both Ukraine and its Western allies off-guard. Last year, Putin initially denied that Russia had anything to do with the armed men who wore no identifying insignia as they seized key Crimean infrastructure in the days after Yanukovych was deposed. Putin later said they were special forces units — and even created a holiday in their honor.

In the documentary, Putin said he had ordered special forces, marines and paratroopers to be deployed “under the guise of reinforcing our military facilities in Crimea.” Putin said that Russia did not violate any treaties because it was allowed under its long-standing agreement with Ukraine to station up to 20,000 soldiers on its Crimean military bases, and that number was never breached.

The planning for the seizure of the peninsula began after an all-night meeting that began when Yanukovych fled his presidential residence on the outskirts of Kiev, Putin said. Russia had previously said that it annexed Crimea because the peninsula’s population demanded it after alleged threats to Russians in Ukraine.

The revised account confirms what many had long deemed self-evident — that the idea for annexation originated more inside the Kremlin than in Crimea itself. But Putin said he would not have taken Crimea had its residents not desired to unite with Russia.

Secret polling conducted ahead of the official referendum led Putin to believe that 75 percent of Crimeans wanted to join Russia, he said. He said that he had never thought about “dismembering” Ukraine until Yanukovych was deposed.

Putin said that Russian special forces helped Yanukovych and his entourage flee to Russia after a trek across Ukraine that eventually ended in Crimea.

Crimean residents overwhelmingly voted to join Russia in a hastily organized referendum, but Kiev and the West have said that the referendum was illegal and illegitimate. Many opponents of annexation refrained from voting rather than voting no.

“You know what our advantage was? The fact that I was doing this personally,” he said. “Not because I did everything correctly, but because when it is done by the top person in government, it’s much easier for those who fulfill orders to work.” Ukrainian forces in Crimea were ill-organized after the collapse of the government in Kiev, he said.

“We were ready” to raise Russia’s nuclear forces to a high state of readiness, Putin said. “But I proceeded from the belief that it would not go so far.”

The annexation of Crimea led to a cascade of conflict that has opened vast new rifts between Russia and the West. More than 6,000 people have died in fighting in eastern Ukraine, where Kiev and its Western allies say that the Kremlin is fueling a pro-Russian rebellion. Putin denies it.

The new geopolitical confrontation has also reshaped Russia’s internal politics, consolidating support for Putin and isolating dissenting voices. The degree to which Russian life now revolves around Putin has been dramatized by his unexplained 10

1KIKI

Monday, March 16, 2015 12:16 PM

"Considering how few sources you actually do cite ..."

So, I did a quick survey. In 5 pages I posted 40 times ands included 25 links. But if you omit the merely conversational posts (such as 'STAY FOCUSED', and 'I'm still waiting for an answer') and only include the posts where I claimed a fact, I posted 28 posts with 25 links.

Do you consider that a 'few'?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Monday, March 16, 2015 9:34 PM

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Considering how few sources you actually do cite, and of those that you would actually choose to cite a world wide known Kremlin mouth piece such as RT, then yes, your use does seem "constant."

Well it may SEEM constant to you, but it isn't, in by any reasonable definitive and objective measurement. It just stands out to you because it rubs you the wrong way.

This is a pointless argument. You're wrong, take it with good grace and move on.

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1KIKI

Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:57 AM

Kiki's linked contributions are constantly dubious ...

Because they DON'T come from RT?

It's fun watching you argue yourself in circles.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

Perhaps I should have said: Kiki's linked contributions are constantly dubious? Is that better?

I note that Kiki has no linked citations in this thread.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

BYTEMITE

Thursday, March 19, 2015 1:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
And yeah, bring Miker back.

I've been pretty sure since THGGR joined that we don't have to go very far for that.

They did discover that neat trick about making threads hidden though. That was cool.

KPO

Friday, March 20, 2015 7:41 PM

A good article on the big Crimea 'documentary' that Putin starred in - http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/03/vla
dimir_putin_s_documentary_is_trying_to_rewrite_history_crimea_the_way.html

Read it to get a good idea of the talking points that Signy and kiki will be parroting in the future.

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 20, 2015 8:52 PM

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Vladimir Putin’s new faux documentary is trying to rewrite the history of his own aggression.
By Lucian Kim

Vladimir Putin ended his unexplained 10-day disappearance on Sunday night by beaming himself into the living rooms of his fellow citizens. The Russian president wasn’t any more or less alive than the day before, but political reality in Russia is determined by what’s on Kremlin TV. For almost 2½ hours, Putin starred as the hero of a faux [insinuation] documentary titled Crimea: The Way Home.

Broadcast on the state-run Rossiya channel, the docufiction [more insinuation] was timed to the eve of the first anniversary of Crimea’s disputed independence referendum, held after thousands of Russian troops had seized the peninsula following the Maidan protest in Kiev. The film has little in common with journalism so [so much like wester press!] as a result, offers few new facts. Yet it provides insight into what makes Kremlin propaganda so effective—and how Putin is trying to rewrite history.

Russian propaganda has come a long way since the days of the Soviet Union. If in North Korea petrified announcers shout the day’s patriotic achievements in sing-song voices, in Russia, the news is presented no differently than in the West: by plastic anchors in sleek studios aided by fancy computer graphics. Sunday’s film was professionally made, with lots of aerial shots and a dramatic soundtrack. No expense was spared for the most comprehensive account to date of Putin’s great Crimean adventure.

The film intersperses snippets of an interview with Putin in a chronicle featuring Crimea’s leadership, Russia’s top brass, and members of the “people’s militia” who rose up against the pro-Western government in Kiev. Documentary footage is mixed with reenactments to create a collage of fact and fiction whose purpose isn’t to document what happened, but to hammer home the narrative that Russia’s lightning covert operation saved Crimea from Ukrainian “fascists,” if not direct NATO intervention.

Russian propaganda has come a long way since the days of the Soviet Union.

I was in Crimea last year as the Russian takeover began, but even as an eyewitness who could see through the film’s many distortions, I found the Kremlin’s version of events vaguely alluring. [And those distortions were...?] For someone who had not been there—and bombarded with the same message for the past year—the effect would be overpowering. Insinuation, montage, and unprovable “facts” are washing millions of brains of their critical faculties. [Just like here! So many unprovable facts!]

In the film, the commander of Crimea’s “Berkut” riot police claims the United States provided Maidan protesters with information on Ukrainian crowd-control methods gleaned during a bilateral exchange program. [What was offered as evidence, if any? Training documents? Classes held?]

Russian special forces stopped an attempt by activists from Pravy Sektor, a far-right Ukrainian group, to poison the water supply of the Crimean capital Simferopol. [Any evidence offered? If there was, was the evidence scrubbed from this review?]

Commandos from the FSB, the successor agency to the KGB, politely replaced a door they had broken down while storming a Ukrainian military base in Crimea. [Was this videoed and in the documentary?]

The film’s creator, Rossiya news presenter Andrei Kondrashov, makes no effort to present the other side—

[Well, shut my mouth! When was the last time you saw western media attempting to portray the Russia side? Russian media is held to a higher standard that western media??? WHOODA THUNK?] not even to get a lazy “no comment” from the Ukrainian or U.S. embassies in Moscow.

Kondrashov was reportedly one of more than 300 Russian journalists who received a medal from Putin for “objective coverage of events in Crimea” last year. [Is there any indication that he wasn't objective? Did he report event on the ground as they happened ... as opposed to western reporters who reported on Donbas from Kiev?] The Ukrainian go

GEEZER

Friday, March 20, 2015 9:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The film has little in common with journalism so [so much like wester press!] as a result, offers few new facts. Yet it provides insight into what makes Kremlin propaganda so effective—and how Putin is trying to rewrite history.

Where's your cite for this?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

SIGNYM

Friday, March 20, 2015 9:18 PM

I cite the very article that was linked. It's an exquisite expose of the crap that the western press regularly spews, which you (and people like you) lap up and think is beef stew.

You should learn to do your own deconstruction of news stories.

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SECOND

Friday, March 20, 2015 9:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It seems if I want to know anything about what's happening in Russia I'll have to go to Russian sources because the western press simply can't run an honest discussion.

Really? You want to throw away all of Russian history and concentrate on what is in the Russian news media? Since when has news, typically thrown together in a rush at the last moment and then broadcast or printed, been the route to understanding anything but traffic accidents, celebrity gossip, patriotic Russian bullshit, and bank robberies? Anything more complicated, the Russian news can't handle.

The Russian strategy, both at home and abroad, is to say there is no such thing as truth. 'The Americans are bad, we're bad, and everyone's bad, so what's the big deal about us being a bit corrupt? You know our democracy's a sham, their democracy's a sham.'

It's a sort of cynicism that actually resonates very powerfully in the West nowadays with this lack of self-confidence after the Iraq War, after the financial crash - and that's what the Russians are hoping for, just to take that cynicism and then use that in a military environment. www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31020283

Maskirovka: Deception Russian-Style www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b050674y
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/analysis/analysis_20150126-
2100a.mp3

'Maskirovka' is the Russian military strategy of deception, involving techniques to surprise and deceive the enemy. Lucy Ash looks back over its long history from repelling invading Mongols in the 14th Century, to its use to confound the Nazis in World War II, to the current conflict in Ukraine. Translated literally maskirovka means "a little masquerade", but it also points to strategic, operational, physical and tactical duplicity. When heavily-armed, mask-wearing gunmen - labelled the 'little green men' - took over government buildings in Crimea last year, was this a classic example of maskirovka in the 21st century? All nations use deception as a strategy in war, but Analysis asks whether any other nation has pursued guile as an instrument of policy so long and so ardently as Russia.

KPO

Friday, March 20, 2015 10:21 PM

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[Well, shut my mouth! When was the last time you saw western media attempting to portray the Russia side?]

Every BBC article I read gives the Russian side, e.g: 'The Russian government strenuously denies Western accusations of involvement in the conflict'

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[What was offered as evidence, if any? Training documents? Classes held?]

Lol, if there were any evidence that the US had coached Maidan protesters, or that the Right Sector had tried to poison Crimea's water supply, we would have heard about it. You would have started threads about it.

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Is there any indication that he wasn't objective? Did he report event on the ground as they happened

Nothing to do with objectivity, not what the word means.

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I'd love to see a list of facts that the author thinks were missing, and a list of the allegations raised in the documentary along with whatever evidence was brought forth, and then whatever evidence the author thinks is missing.

Why don't you watch the documentary and post a list of the evidence that was presented, and that was hidden by the article, since you think there was some?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a8_1426713567

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It seems if I want to know anything about what's happening in Russia I'll have to go to Russian sources because the western press simply can't run an honest discussion.

LOL!

It's not personal. It's just war.

THGRRI

Saturday, March 21, 2015 4:37 AM

You're missing the point SIG. For months some of us here have been discussing the fact that Russia had violated its treaty with the Ukraine when it seized Crimea. That it used its troops and equipment to crush the local population and military loyal to their country and opposed to Russian rule. You and 1kiki have denied any evolvement by Russia throughout despite all the evidence. You have no credibility what so ever.

AND THAT’S THE FUCKING POINT.

GEEZER

Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I cite the very article that was linked. It's an exquisite expose of the crap that the western press regularly spews, which you (and people like you) lap up and think is beef stew.

You should learn to do your own deconstruction of news stories.

Sorry. That's your opinion (and an Ad Hominem argument), not a fact.

Show me some objective evidence, or retract your claim.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

MAL4PREZ

Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Signym:
It seems if I want to know anything about what's happening in Russia I'll have to go to Russian sources because the western press simply can't run an honest discussion.

There you go folks.

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1KIKI

Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:35 AM

"Show me some objective evidence ..."

What would YOU takes as 'objective evidence'? Some blog by somebody? An editorial in a mainstream paper? A claim by Obama? By Putin? A single-source news article that gets quoted, repeated and cited in 20 different msm media sources (as long as you cite more than one of them)?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:01 PM

Quote:
It seems if I want to know anything about what's happening in Russia I'll have to go to Russian sources because the western press simply can't run an honest discussion.-SIGNY
There you go folks. -MAL4

And there you ago again, MAL4.

Western press simply will not tell us what's in the Russian press. They will tell us what THEY want us to think about the Russian press ...or the Syrian media, or Turkish media, or what-have-you ... but to actually just tell us what's in the foreign press?

NAH....

Instead, they offer up an opinion piece full of insinuation, lacking even the semblance of a balanced description or fact.

Yanno, LIKE YOU.

Since MAL4 is entirely incapable of rational thought, this is for the rest of you:

That's why I go to foreign press. Fortunately, I can piece together whatever is in French and Spanish. I can scan the headlines in German, at least, to see what they're talking ABOUT. Unfortunately, I have to rely on translators to tell me about the rest. But I do the best I can ... I do look at the English-language version Xinhua, and Novosti, and the Straits Times, for example. I have the Kyiv Post and the BBC on my list of sites that I scan regularly. Even if I don't have time to read the articles, it's important to know what's making it into the news ... what's being forwarded by each nation's MSM. It's a good indication of what's being covered, and -more importantly- what's NOT being covered. Seeing what's in their media is a good indication of policies to come.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:09 PM

Quote:
You and 1kiki have denied any evolvement [sic] by Russia throughout despite all the evidence. You have no credibility what so ever.

Actually, since none of what you posted is true, the person's who's credibility in question is yours.

I never said that Russia wasn't involved in Crimea. What I said was that it already had a whole military base in Sevastopol, and it was therefore unlikely to require additional troops being sent in. (RUSSIA INVADES CRIMEA)

And for MONTHS I've been saying that Russia has been helping the rebels in the east and south. I've provided detailed lists of the ways in which I think Russia has been helping, some of which I have no evidence for whatsoever - for example, untraceable consumables like fuel and munitions, and military intel and strategic planning - but it makes logical sense that it's occurring.

AFA Crimea is concerned, I respect the right of any portion of any nation - like SLOVENIA, Catalonia, or the Basque region - or any nation in a supranational group - like Greece in the EU- to withdraw. I have theoretical reasons as well as humanitarian ones, the theoretical reason is that the powers of aggregation are many, but they need to be counterbalanced by the powers of dispersal.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:42 PM

And finally- I saw the video. It's all about the rescue of Yanukovich. There are facts in it, (Yanukovich went to Karkhiv, to Donetsk, and then was on his way to Crimea. He was rescued on-route to Crimea, and spent a few days there, but when it became clear that there was no one in Kiev to negotiate with he asked to be relocated to Russia) But aside from the teaser at the very beginning, there's nothing about the role of Russia in Crimea yet. This looks like a first episode. Thanks for the link.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:18 PM

Quote:
There are facts in it, (Yanukovich went to Karkhiv, to Donetsk, and then was on his way to Crimea

Try to find facts that have been dishonestly omitted from the Lucian Kim article, which is what you suggested. Was there evidence of US involvement on the Maidan, or of a Right Sector plot to poison Crimea's water supply?

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:33 PM

Wait... I think you're confused. I know I am! You want ME to prove points in an article that I've already deemed "one long hissy fit"? So far, the available video supports nothing of what the article talks about.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

KPO

Sunday, March 22, 2015 1:16 AM

The Lucian Kim article accuses the Crimea documentary of insinuation, montage, distortion, and claiming (false) things as 'facts' without supporting evidence.

You posited that Kim's article was leaving out supporting evidence that was actually in the documentary. I invited you to watch the documentary and locate this evidence, if it exists.

A reminder of what you said, commenting around the article:

Quote:
In the film, the commander of Crimea’s “Berkut” riot police claims the United States provided Maidan protesters with information on Ukrainian crowd-control methods gleaned during a bilateral exchange program. [What was offered as evidence, if any? Training documents? Classes held?]

Russian special forces stopped an attempt by activists from Pravy Sektor, a far-right Ukrainian group, to poison the water supply of the Crimean capital Simferopol. [Any evidence offered? If there was, was the evidence scrubbed from this review?]

Commandos from the FSB, the successor agency to the KGB, politely replaced a door they had broken down while storming a Ukrainian military base in Crimea. [Was this videoed and in the documentary?]

So you already have a list of things to look for. Happy viewing.

It's not personal. It's just war.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 22, 2015 3:46 AM

Why is it that the only way you can formulate a response is by mis-stating what Signy posts? Do you have a problem with reading, or is it with honesty?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 22, 2015 4:33 AM

"This coming from the person who says she has to depend on Putin Media for her news."

No, she says she depends on Russia media for PART of what she analyzes to try to figure out what's going on.

Fortunately, I can piece together whatever is in French and Spanish. I can scan the headlines in German, at least, to see what they're talking ABOUT. Unfortunately, I have to rely on translators to tell me about the rest. But I do the best I can ... I do look at the English-language version Xinhua, and Novosti, and the Straits Times, for example. I have the Kyiv Post and the BBC on my list of sites that I scan regularly. Even if I don't have time to read the articles, it's important to know what's making it into the news ... what's being forwarded by each nation's MSM. It's a good indication of what's being covered, and -more importantly- what's NOT being covered. Seeing what's in their media is a good indication of policies to come.

I'll leave it to you to try and pretend what you claim Signy posted is anything like what Signy actually posted.

And, to answer my question to you - your problem is with honesty.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 22, 2015 5:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Since MAL4 is entirely incapable of rational thought...

This coming from the person who says she has to depend on Putin Media for her news.

That definitely explains the warped pov.

Yes, thank you for entirely mis-characterizing what I wrote. In fact, you lied here too ...

Quote:
OF COURSE you thought it was a nazi salute. OF COURSE you thought he'd been caught being a nazi. OF COURSE you thought you'd proven your point beyond reproach

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=8
I noticed you haven't responded to that, and I doubt that you can respond rationally here either. My god, when did it get so personal to you that you lost all sense?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 22, 2015 7:37 AM

I said he was PANDERING to Nazis, you fool. This had all to with how much power Nazis had in Ukraine, not whether Yats himself was a Nazi. And being onstage with a Nazi means he was pandering to them.

It's like a politican in the USA being onstage with a well-known KKK representative. What would YOU conclude, if such a thing happened?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 22, 2015 7:47 AM

Quote:
The Lucian Kim article accuses the Crimea documentary of insinuation, montage, distortion, and claiming (false) things as 'facts' without supporting evidence.

You posited that Kim's article was leaving out supporting evidence that was actually in the documentary. I invited you to watch the documentary and locate this evidence, if it exists.

Lucian Kim wrote an article about a video that none of us had access to, dismissing but not describing a video which we couldn't either refute or validate, either by access to HIS words or by access to the video itself.

Someone (you?) provided a link. I watched it. It was 15 minutes long, it had an "ep 1" somewhere on the video, and (except for the teaser about Crimea) it was all about rescuing Yanukovich. If you have a link to the whole thing, great. If not, STFU about it until it's aired.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:09 AM

And then posted:

I didn't say (and didn't mean to imply) that Yats is a closet Nazi. What I DID intend to show... and the person with whom Yats in onstage, Nazi salute or otherwise makes the point .... is that Yats is PANDERING to Nazis. And politicians don't pander to powerless groups.

So, selective quoting is now your way of misrepresenting other people in order to manage a repopnse?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Show me some objective evidence ..."

What would YOU takes as 'objective evidence'? Some blog by somebody? An editorial in a mainstream paper? A claim by Obama? By Putin? A single-source news article that gets quoted, repeated and cited in 20 different msm media sources (as long as you cite more than one of them)?

I'll take the same evidence SignyM seems to ask for any time someone posts anything critical of Russia. Ask her what level of proof she demands.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

GEEZER

Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
AFA Crimea is concerned, I respect the right of any portion of any nation - like SLOVENIA, Catalonia, or the Basque region - or any nation in a supranational group - like Greece in the EU- to withdraw.

So you would have supported the Confederacy's attempt to secede from the United States?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:19 AM

I already addressed that, I guess you didn't see how it applied. This is how I view the news.

Quote:
That's why I go to foreign press. Fortunately, I can piece together whatever is in French and Spanish. I can scan the headlines in German, at least, to see what they're talking ABOUT. Unfortunately, I have to rely on translators to tell me about the rest. But I do the best I can ... I do look at the English-language version Xinhua, and Novosti, and the Straits Times, for example. I have the Kyiv Post and the BBC on my list of sites that I scan regularly. Even if I don't have time to read the articles, it's important to know what's making it into the news ... what's being forwarded by each nation's MSM. It's a good indication of what's being covered, and -more importantly- what's NOT being covered. Seeing what's in their media is a good indication of policies to come.

That applies to the US media as well as foreign media. Until you get a much wider world view, it's hard to see how your limited your own media is.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:21 AM

Quote:
AFA Crimea is concerned, I respect the right of any portion of any nation - like SLOVENIA, Catalonia, or the Basque region - or any nation in a supranational group - like Greece in the EU- to withdraw.-SIGNY

So you would have supported the Confederacy's attempt to secede from the United States? -GEEZER

I've already answered that more than once. What do YOU think?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Sunday, March 22, 2015 9:24 AM

Q - What would YOU take as 'objective evidence'?

A - I'll take the same evidence SignyM seems to ask for any time someone posts anything critical of Russia. Ask her what level of proof she demands.

So, YOU have no opinion? I don't want to be posting links and have you objecting to them with some new-found judgments. Speak now or forever void your option to dismiss my links.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 22, 2015 1:15 PM

Quote:
I said he was PANDERING to Nazis, you fool.-SIGNY

No, what you actually, really, without post editing or post fudging said, word for word, was:
""Yats", the Prime Minister of Ukraine, giving the traditional Nazi salute." ""Yats", the Prime Minister of Ukraine, giving the traditional Nazi salute." -GSTRING

And yet, somewhere in there, I failed to say he was a Nazi.
Huh!
Well, I'm sure the misinterpretation is at your end. It always is.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:35 PM

Oh, just as an FYI I wanted to address YOU, MAL4.

Quote:
Many people have left this site, and most of them not because of Siggy.

NOT because of me? Are you sure that's what you intended to say?

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She used to be quite sane, if a bit pompous. In fact, her new insanity was something she started purposely. She changed suddenly some time ago

Yes, before Putin ever came up, actually. So the reason why you got so tweaked and weird wasn't because of Putin or some newly-discovered love of Russia on my part, but specifically what I did at that time. NOT PUTIN. I just felt I needed to interrupt that thought that was springing up in your brain.

In fact, I even told you what it was. But you're so stuck on Putin, I'll bet that you don't even remember what it was.

Quote:
I called her on it and she admitted that she was doing things "differently." Didn't give details, but I figure that, for some reason, she had to give up her old shtick of tweaking Rap's tail.

SO, NOT PUTIN.

Quote:
Her new thing is more fun, imho, though only in small doses. ;)

MAL4, I have no idea what happened to you. Are you OK?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JAYNEZTOWN

Wednesday, October 12, 2022 5:14 AM

China and India, two of Russia's biggest allies, call for de-escalation in Ukraine

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/10/china-india-russia-deescalation-ukrai
ne

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, June 24, 2024 3:44 PM

Crimea Videos Show Fires Blazing As Space Radar Targeted with ATACMS—Report

https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-attack-atacms-space-radar-fire-1916340

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, April 21, 2025 6:24 PM

quote

US may recognise Crimea Putin annexed in 2014 as part of Russia under Ukraine peace plan: Report

https://www.firstpost.com/world/us-may-recognise-crimea-putin-annexed-
in-2014-as-part-of-russia-under-ukraine-peace-plan-report-13881151.html

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, July 1, 2025 7:22 PM

Russia says Moscow now occupies all of Ukraine’s Luhansk region, illegally annexed in 2022

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-germany-d402df83478e83d8
6b30bd9b942d2532