What is the best, and worst things people have said about you here? Are they true?
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Okay. So I was thinking about this today.
The nicest things people have said about me: Jack says I'm humble, I don't think its true, I fake it okay for short periods, but I don't think I'm a particularly humble person. Jack also says other good things about me that I would like to think are true. People say that even though I may not agree with them they think I'm someone who cares about people essentially. I feel this is true. I do care about people, they're all that really matters for the most part, relationships are what matters when you boil life down.
As for the bad things: People say I'm passive agressive. I've thought about that one since it happened last March, I didn't really understand what that means but I think I finally get it. And now that I understand what it means I think I can agree that I'm a bit passive aggressive, but not to a problematic level, I don't think a bit of it hurts anyone. Why is it such an insult to be told you're passive aggressive? What's wrong with it in moderation?
I've been told that I'm a goody two shoes, what is the etimology of that one anyways? Whether that is true remains to be seen. In some ways I'm prudish and in some ways I'm crude, it all depends on the topic really and what people define as prude and crude, I've got both going on.
People think its "sad" that I believe some of the things I do. If they seriously think that's sad then they should go experience real life for a spell and they'll see what sad is. So I can't agree there. I believe what I believe, it is what it is, I'm an adult with the right to believe and live my life as I see fit, y'all can believe how you wish too, its a free verse.
Others? What are the best, and worse, things you recall off the top of your head people saying to you on this forum? Do you think they are true?
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Pretty much anything most folks here say about me is pure fiction, posted out of sheer spite, and zero credibility.
Getting complements is not why I come here.
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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I make it a point to say the worst things about me. As an attempt to mitigate the effect of insults so I don't keep gnawing through my own leash, teeth all sharpened to shark points like the berserkers of old, foaming at the mouth with beady orange eyes and a sickly pallor.
This rarely works. Crazed hyena laughter echoes through the board - it is only a matter of time.
Anyway. I eventually got used to passive aggressive, now I'm wound up about rape-enabling. Because I guess I do that? OR SOMETHING.
Worst thing I ever said to someone else is I called Niki a Left Wing Operative once, and I regularly accuse people of insincerity. Most of the time I piss people off just by being my abrasive self, I don't really have to insult people.
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Riona, I can't really answer your question. I've had a lot of negative things said about me, and I've posted the very worst of them before. I don't keep track of who says what except for those, which were quite memorable.
I can recall some good things, but not who said them. I think I was called RELATIVELY fair-minded by someone--that's compared to some others here. I think I was told my posts were intelligent and that I really did try to have civil debates... No, I can't do this. I can't remember the specific wording, so trying to paraphrase what was said might get it wrong. Sorry.
Yes, there IS nothing wrong with being passive-aggressive in moderation, you're right. Many of us do it...ironically, I'm passive-aggressive in real life (try not to be), but not here, I don't think so anyway. If you look up passive-aggressive, you will probably find explanations for it and yes, taken to extremes, it can be pretty awful on those around one. But many, many of us are unconsciously so to a degree. Few here, I might say.
I think people call you Goody Two Shoes because your consistent "goodness" seems faked to them--just guessing here. The best definition I could find is Quote:
Belittling and insulting term for a person who won't do anything that can be regarded as "wrong" or "immoral". A male or female who perceives him/herself (or is believed to perceive him/herself) as morally superior - often also God-fearing and full-bloodedly American.
Everyone thinks it comes from an old children's tale, but it actually predates that--you can easily find information on it by googling it. It's a pretty outdated term, tho' some of us still use it.
I THINK some of the feeling is because it's hard to imagine anyone who doesn't get pissed at others much, who doesn't SEEM to take strong stances on issues that they're willing to debate, and who is always complimenting or being extra kind to others. That's not common here, so it stands out and people are suspicious of it. Again, just guessing.
I'm probably one of those who feels your intense religiosity is "sad". I won't go into that unless you want further, but I'm confused as to "experience real life for a spell and they'll see what sad is" -- who here do you think doesn't experience real life? I don't understand.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I make it a point to say the worst things about me. As an attempt to mitigate the effect of insults so I don't keep gnawing through my own leash, teeth all sharpened to shark points like the berserkers of old, foaming at the mouth with beady orange eyes and a sickly pallor.
This rarely works. Crazed hyena laughter echoes through the board - it is only a matter of time.
Marry me?
*ducks*
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EngagingConversation
-Frem
laughing soooo hard
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Hmmm, lets see. Not a lot leaps to mind.... Niki said I was handsome once after I posted a pic. That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.
Rappy (and in the past, Kaneman and Whozit) have called me all sorts of things - but really, who gives a shit?
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Marry me?
*ducks*
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EngagingConversation
-Frem
laughing soooo hard
A new challenger appears. A battle royale ensues over insults against girl, society, and nature itself.
We go now to the scene of the dispute:
*is checked into a wall*
And death settles the whole shebang. Oh well.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Hmmm, lets see. Not a lot leaps to mind.... Niki said I was handsome once after I posted a pic. That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.
Rappy (and in the past, Kaneman and Whozit) have called me all sorts of things - but really, who gives a shit?
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
It is the board consensus that they, also, think that you are attractive. There is speculation about the reverse.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Hmmm, lets see. Not a lot leaps to mind.... Niki said I was handsome once after I posted a pic. That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.
Rappy (and in the past, Kaneman and Whozit) have called me all sorts of things - but really, who gives a shit?
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
It is the board consensus that they, also, think that you are attractive. There is speculation about the reverse.
LOL. Well done.
I cannot comment on their attractiveness, as to my knowledge, none of them has ever posted any images. Of course, there are faces I have mentally attributed to them. Rappy generally looks something like this:
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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LOL. Well done.
I contribute to discord where I can. And see no better conclusion to this thread than escalating attempts from everyone on the board to top improbable insults.
Among, perhaps, other kinds of topping. But that is an idea that does not bear close examination, apart to say:
This thread smells like a troll orgy.
...Nice legs.
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OMIGAWD Mark, you captured Wulf's essence perfectly! Rap...mmmm, not s'much; I picture him as far more buttoned-down. But Wulf--there he IS!Quote:
That's true of course, as I am dead-sexy.
That he is. That he is! Speaking as a die-hard cougar, I have to say downright yummy!
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Hi Niki, there are differences between the word "religeon" and the word "religiosity" you might want to look to that. Its cute when Mal gets them mixed up but its not as cute when others do.
That being said I get just as pissed off at people as anyone else does, obvious by my sideways retorts to people which can easily be spotted if one looks for them. I just like being a little more ... sideways about it as opposed to coming right out and saying it. I guess its just my style and, yes, its passive agressive.
Niki does bring up a good point though, in that I don't see myself as very passive agressive in real life. In real life I try to avoid confrontation because I don't like getting in fights. But fights online aren't as bad because you have time to figure out what you want to say and how you want to say it. Even then though you sometimes say things you regret later. In real life though getting in fights means you can lose something, whereas online fights are sort of risk free, or perhaps risk lower. In real life if you say what you think there are consequences, online the consequences are much less and not really worth being too concerned about, everything blows over eventually.
There's an episode of Merlin where Uther is enchanted and thus falls in love with a troll. He sees her as a beautiful young woman and the rest of them see, and smell, her for what she is. Its pretty funny. That's a fun show.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Originally posted by Storymark:
...but really, who gives a shit?
Excellent! You capture exactly the way I feel about your insults directed at me.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Hmm... I'm pretty new to the forums, however people have in general been very kind towards me. Actually Im pretty sure that no-one has been even remotely insulting or rude towards me.
"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain
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You're new? I insult you for the sake of inclusiveness!
(Hi and welcome)
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Originally posted by Niki2:
OMIGAWD Mark, you captured Wulf's essence perfectly! Rap...mmmm, not s'much; I picture him as far more buttoned-down. But Wulf--there he IS!
Somehow, I always imagined wulf with a great deal more foam at the corners of his mouth...
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
...but really, who gives a shit?
Excellent! You capture exactly the way I feel about your insults directed at me.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
What, calling you old is an insult? Who chose your handle then?
Or do you mean pointing out your incessant stream of demonstrably false equivocations? That's insulting? Hmm.... Maybe you misunderstand the word....
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Storymark/Geezer: I congratulate you on keeping with the spirit of the thread. But this conflagration needs more oxidation.
I've seen better flamewars from POLAR BEARS.
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Seriously, despite the nuclear explosion behind them, they look like they're about to hug.
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Er, I think I've been called cold or something similar during a discussion around morality. I think it was because my views appear anti to a lot of religious beliefs about humanity. I don't think I'm a cold person in RL, but I might come across a bit clinical in my arguments and sometimes people don't like that. Re best things - more about my posts than me personally. A few times, people have said they were well written, well expressed. Apart from being a terrible speller, I think I can put down a good argument in writing, mostly.
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Magon's, sometimes your posts can come off as a little colder, but they're warmer than some folks round these parts, so it could be worse. There are much colder people than you.
Disagreements aside, I find your posts to be clear and easy to understand in regard to your arguments and how you express them. And for the record there are indeed things I agree with you on, we can't agree on everything in life, but I think we all have at least some things we can agree with each person in the world on. I think you would be surprised at how often I agree with you on certain issues.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Quote:LOL, you're not here to demonstrate good grammar either.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Getting compliments aren't why I'm here.
I've been told I'm noble (not true, I'm a jerk),
I've been told I'm a Liberal (vile crap- I'm a Buddhist Libertarian).
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Several Liberals in RWED have called me stupid or an idiot over the years, sometimes using the "f" word to emphasize the point. And someone once called me "an effing steaming pile of go se." That's actually my favorite one of all time. I wanted to have it made into a t-shirt but my wife said no.
On the flip side I've been called, albeit rarely, reasonable, thinking, and intelligent....(for a Conservative neanderthal that is).
All of the above is true to some degree.
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Brenda you haven't been here that long. Plus you're rather non confrontational and your views fit in with the mainstream, so I doubt too much will happen to you. The only person who will possibly be mean to you is Wish (my online nemesis, look out). But she's been scarce lately so no immediate concern on that front.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Quote:As Neanderthal Conservatives go, I think you ROCK, Jong.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
On the flip side I've been called, albeit rarely, reasonable, thinking, and intelligent....(for a Conservative neanderthal that is).
Just sayin'.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:As Neanderthal Conservatives go, I think you ROCK, Jong.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
On the flip side I've been called, albeit rarely, reasonable, thinking, and intelligent....(for a Conservative neanderthal that is).
Just sayin'.
Ug, Ug! Sometimes me likes to be Neanderthal
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For a cave girl, her hair is looking mighty groomed, her makeup is impeccable, and her legs are very clean shaven.
However, bonus points for poster from Shawshank Redemption.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
For a cave girl, her hair is looking mighty groomed, her makeup is impeccable, and her legs are very clean shaven.
However, bonus points for poster from Shawshank Redemption.
My type cave gal!
"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it the most?"- Mark Twain
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Storybook's pic is a prime example of what I'm talking about.
I don't smoke, never wore a mullet, or had hair near that long, don't dress like that, never had a shorts that hideous, my legs are far more attractive, I don't drink skanky beer in aluminum cans,or have a satellite dish, and probably don't own any guns, at all.
But as Storybook says, who gives a flip? I just point it out because it's funny how gorram far off the mark some are. Oh well.
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." - Socrates
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Magons, "what Riona said". I've never found your posts "cold", and have always respected that, unlike some others here, your points are eloquently and concisely made, even when I disagree with them.
Brenda, I look forward to seeing you angry, especially given we agree on most things! ;o)
Mark, mmmmm, you may be right about the foam...
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:LOL, you're not here to demonstrate good grammar either.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Getting compliments aren't why I'm here.
I frequent a number of boards that feature left/right arguments.... and its absolutely astounding how poor the language skills are amongst the wingnuts and tpublicans.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Yeah, that used to amaze me, too. In time I recognized that there are two main contributors: The hatred and dissing of eduction reflected by the GOP appeals to people like that, and LACK of education makes it easier for them to swallow the simplistic propaganda from the right.
It still amazes me, tho', when I come up against it.
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I missed this thread, as it came out during my busy winter months. Interesting idea. I've certainly had bad things said about me, some earned, some not. I find that I get into exploring people's weirdnesses, rather than the topic at hand. The topic brings out the weirdness, which can be more interesting than any RW news event. Really, I've learned a lot about people brain's here, people who are quite different from me so I wouldn't interact with them much in RL.
It's not surprising that other posters don't react well when I start trying to figure out how they work, especially if I get it right. So they call me names sometimes. I honestly don't recall the names. Most of them don't hurt, either because they come from people I don't respect, or because I know that they are lashing out for reasons that have nothing to do with who I am.
So are the insults true? I don't think so, but I can see why certain posters get upset with me.
I've had some nice things said too. I like to think all those are true. :) I think I can be insightful, and I can explain things pretty clearly. I do put some effort into making my posts clear and concise. I don't always succeed. And though I have my heated moments, I try to be a calm and rational voice.
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Another interesting question: what are the meanest and nicest things we've said to other posters? Where they true?
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Perhaps I don't really say anything mean or nice to anyone? Must be something wrong with me. Ms Neutral.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Perhaps I don't really say anything mean or nice to anyone? Must be something wrong with me. Ms Neutral.
You've said both nice things and mean things. I don't see you as neutral at all.
Once in a blue moon, someone will say something nice about a post I make. But I don't remember anyone saying anything nice about ME, the person.
Insults? Oh yeah, they rack up around me. I might be the most insulted person on this board, second to Rappy. True? Not at all. I have so many horrible defects, but for some reason, you people miss 99% of them in favor of imaginary ones you concoct about me.
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Perhaps I don't really say anything mean or nice to anyone? Must be something wrong with me. Ms Neutral.
You've said both nice things and mean things. I don't see you as neutral at all.
Once in a blue moon, someone will say something nice about a post I make. But I don't remember anyone saying anything nice about ME, the person.
Insults? Oh yeah, they rack up around me. I might be the most insulted person on this board, second to Rappy. True? Not at all. I have so many horrible defects, but for some reason, you people miss 99% of them in favor of imaginary ones you concoct about me.
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
You've said that I support killing thousands of innocents, that I am morally inferior to you because I *try* rather than quit and hide in a corner, and that I am no different than someone who would choose to take part in a gang-rape.
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Mal4prez: I choose to believe you didn't really mean to compare a vote for a Obama to a choice to join a gang rape. It kind of seems like you made that comparison, but I think - I hope! - you didn't mean it that way.
CTS: Yes. I DID mean it that way.
Um... you were talking about the insults aimed at poor little innocent *you*?
Honey, you have earned whatever is coming your way.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
You've said both nice things and mean things. I don't see you as neutral at all.
Really? I must be oblivious. I suppose I feel fairly neutral about most people here, even though I might not support some people's view.
In the middle of a heated discussion on something I might get heated about what I am saying or what someone has said, so I suppose that get be viewed as mean.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
You've said that I support killing thousands of innocents,
You don't personally support it, morality-wise. But you made decisions and votes that support it, yes.
Quote:Your decision to vote for Obama was morally inferior to my decision to not vote for Obama. YOU, as a person, are not morally inferior to me, no.
that I am morally inferior to you because I *try* rather than quit
Quote:Your VOTE is no different from a choice to join a gangrape. My criticism is the moral inferiority of your VOTE. Not you personally. I don't know you personally.
I am no different than someone who would choose to take part in a gang-rape.
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Mal4prez: I choose to believe you didn't really mean to COMPARE A VOTE for a Obama to a choice to join a gang rape. It kind of seems like you made that comparison, but I think - I hope! - you didn't mean it that way.
CTS: Yes. I DID mean it that way.
Capitalized the actual comparison, see?
Quote:I am FAR from innocent. And I would never claim any such thing. I am not complaining about the insults, to be clear. I am just saying the insults I get are generally inaccurate. There are much more accurate insults out there for me.
Um... you were talking about the insults aimed at poor little innocent *you*?
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Honey, you have earned whatever is coming your way.
Of course I have. Agreed.
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
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Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:LOL, you're not here to demonstrate good grammar either.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Getting compliments aren't why I'm here.
I frequent a number of boards that feature left/right arguments.... and its absolutely astounding how poor the language skills are amongst the wingnuts and tpublicans.
Funny as hell, because no one else makes grammatical errors, huh? Completely bogus, as y'all hype up any minor error made by one group, but then are blind to exactly the same sorts of faux pas or typos made by your 'buds'.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
Resident USA Freedom Fundie
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall
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Quote:Hey CTS,
Originally posted by canttakesky:
...to join a gang rape.
In a world where there is actual gang rape going on, could we skip using it as a metaphor for large scale political processes?
Please. You know why people who've grown up in this country vote in elections. You know it doesn't have anything to do with gang rape. And with the exponential marginalization of the vote as an engine of governance in this country over the past few years, who MAL4 actually votes for has less and less affect on policy with every passing day.
So, once again, a vote for Barack Obama /= gang rape perpetrated on anyone. Unless you're suggesting that Barack Obama has himself participated in gang rape. 'Cause, after Steubenville, it's pretty clear that there are any number of men in our government who have participated in gang rape and simply never got caught because fb and twitter didn't exist when they were growing up. Gang rape is not a metaphor in this context, it's a real concern.
I'm sorry, I think this whole discussion is ugly. I don't think anyone here deserves "what they get." What we all deserve is respect. Plain and simple. I hope you don't feel as if I'm trying to humiliate you, or score points. I'm really just overwhelmed with the inhumanity of my fellow human beings right now and I know that both you and MAL4PREZ are decent people.
I've been holding my tongue in this forum more and more of late as I'm finding the whole exercise too painful, but I like you, CTS and I like M4P and so I spoke up. Hope that's okay with y'all.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Thanks for the effort HK, but CTS putting my morality on a level with those who would gang rape places her permanently on my shit list.
CTS, you are a piece of shit, a coward, and a self-centered hypocrite. That is what I'm saying every time I ignore you, which will be often. You aren't worth my effort.
There, that's the worst thing I've ever said about anyone here in RWED. It has been recorded.
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Yeah, well I think that Voting for Obama = Joing a gang rape is both stupid and insulting.
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I too have been biting my tongue HK, but for different reasons.
Ain't about blame, it's about RESPONSIBILITY - there is no level of dividing responsibility to where we are not culpable, and I don't think asking folk to friggin acknowledge it, in any way, however small, is extreme at all, and yet it is treated so ?
People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?
I call bullshit.
For them unfamiliar with the show used as video background, *SOMEONE* has to pull that string, and when they do, how then can they deny responsibility ?
-Frem
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Quote:I'm not quite sure what you mean. Too many words so late at night. Do you mean that we are all culpable in some way, no matter our choices? I totally agree with this.
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
I too have been biting my tongue HK, but for different reasons.
Ain't about blame, it's about RESPONSIBILITY - there is no level of dividing responsibility to where we are not culpable, and I don't think asking folk to friggin acknowledge it, in any way, however small, is extreme at all, and yet it is treated so ?
I can also agree that assigning blame can be cowardly, lazy, and non-productive, especially in a case like this that involves passionate but, let's it, somewhat powerless people. Blaming us doesn't do much. (Except to make the high horses of some folk get a little bit taller...)
Responsibility is more forward looking: what can we do at this point? That's a much use useful way to go.
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People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?
I call bullshit.
-Frem
If this is called at me, I will respond, because I do think you're worth it. I didn't at some times in the past LOL!
CTS made a very particular statement, which she clarified and restated more than once, that she sees bad things happening and has chosen to run away, isolating her from the "system". This is is just refusing to try. She is quite happy to let the bad things continue to happen, as long as in no possible even highly indirect way does she have to feel to blame for it. Even if it happens BECAUSE she choose to run away. She has yet to show that her hidy-ness does anything but inflate her superiority complex. She sure hasn't saved any innocent Iraqis.
Have I called her morally inferior for this? No. But she sure as hell is happy pointing her fingers the other way.
Hey, I have made it clear that I think hers is a valid choice, certainly open to anyone, but I strongly disagree that it has any kind of moral high ground attached to it. To go with this analogy she finds so fitting for me: she would witness a gang rape happening and just walk away. Moral?
Perhaps the thing is that you and CTS have given up on the system, while myself and others hope to fix it. It's not very libertarian of you to judge us (and call us gang rapers - will I ever be able to think about CTS and not immediately think: wow. BITCH!) because we have hope and we TRY.
Our choices haven't fixed much. Yours haven't either. So what's all the fucking hoity-toity judgement and damnation?
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And one more post to clarify that I'm not just having a tantrum here. I actually feel quite calm. This is not drunk posting. I mean it when I use these names.
self-centered coward: hides from situations where she might possibly do good because she'd prefer to be "superior" over anyone even marginally trying, no matter if their efforts may contribute to positive changes
hypocrite: because hiding doesn't fix anything, and might even make things worse, so she's in no place to point fingers
piece of shit: this is not a term I use lightly, as I'm sure that to many people she is a lovely person. But she accused a woman who's been fairly severely damaged, and her life significantly shaped, by sexual abuse of being equivalent to a gang raper. Oh sure, she didn't know, yada, yada, but hey. You just DO NOT say things like that, especially to someone you don't know.
And so her actions have earned something special. I wouldn't offer this to Rappy or even to another poster who was once kind of a dick to me. His was an understandable moment of passion. This case is something more.
CTS, you have the honor of earning the highly coveted, rarely bestowed....
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
CTS, you have the honor of earning the highly coveted, rarely bestowed....
Thank you. :) I humbly accept. With pride.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
In a world where there is actual gang rape going on, could we skip using it as a metaphor for large scale political processes?
I understand your concern, HK. But I use the metaphor deliberately.
1. Gang. Large scale political processes involve a gang-like mentality with a dissolution of personal responsibility.
2. Rape. The ultimate violation of dignity and free will. Isn't that what we're doing to countries abroad when we invade and fuck them up wholesale? Emphasis on the word "fuck." I see the entire nation of Iraq as "raped" as anyone is in a gang rape.
I am certain Mal4 is a wonderful human being, probably 100 times more wonderful than I am in real life.
But her VOTE for the leader of gangrape is immoral and sucks dick.
I am not even criticizing her vote per se. Cause we all make mistakes. Byte voted for Obama too. He lies. It's not anyone's fault if we believed his lies because we dared to hope.
I am criticizing the continued defense of a vote for Obama. Voting for him is not defensible.
And finally, I will say it again, for the record. I am not supporting running away as a solution. I am supporting running away FROM EVIL as a solution. That's just the first step. Where you run TO, well, there are lots of possibilities.
I am not advocating running away to do NOTHING. I am advocating running away to do SOMETHING NOT EVIL.
If I were Obama, I would absolutely refuse to participate in evil, resign from the presidency, and then either join a 3rd party with integrity, or start my own. Then drum up grassroots efforts like Occupy to make it so the choices aren't just evil and less evil.
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?
I call bullshit.
Exactly. Thank you, Frem, for always underscoring the right things.
And since we are on an insult thread, I will happily give an example of an insult that actually fits me, rather than ones that miss by a mile.
What's bullshit is that *I* feed this system myself. Even if I didn't vote for Obama, I pay taxes that feed the gangraping monster that is Obama.
Mal4 is right that I am a hypocrite, coward, and piece of shit. I know what he is doing is horribly, horribly wrong, but I am too much of a coward to go to jail for not funding his gangrape. For my participation in this gangrape, I cry bitterly. I don't defend it. But I don't expect remorse to make the rape victim feel any better.
All I can do here on this board is hopefully provoke people to think a little about their contribution to the gangrape we are inflicting on millions of innocent victims.
They won't accept responsibility, but maybe the thought would have at least crossed their minds once before being dismissed.
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Hey CTS,
See, all this stuff about how bad you are (and in exactly the same way as MAL4, et al. in that you're supporting the Evil Doers one way or another) is just self-destructive and utterly disrespectful to yourself as a human being.
Ya know why?
Because every human being actually deserves forgiveness. Now, sure, we each as individuals may have a difficult time forgiving particular other individuals, but it doesn't change the truth that they (and we) deserve forgiveness. We all have our limits and we all have to make compremises with power 'cause there are guns and other forms fo tyranny involved. And we're not all of us terribly sane all the time. What you do to secure another day above ground must be forgiven.
You don't sound here like a person who would even know how to respect people, and yet, I know you respect your children. Is it just that they get a pass until they're of voting age? Then you'll hate and revile them as you would every other adult who isn't Che Guevara (or whichever revolutionary you would not revile)?
I don't know if it's at all fruitful to talk to you like this. I talked to Bytemite like this and only succeeded in convincing her that I despise and want to hurt her. I don't see any reason why every person on this board shouldn't admire you and think very highly of you but for these outbursts of yours that serve no one and nothing. Is making enemies of good folks over the internet a useful or necessary passtime? Is inflamatory language really the best way to make people think???
Anarchism, to my mind, isn't just an "ism," it's the truth. It's how humans live and function and always have. All the rest of it is just a lot of lies about the nature of power that people buy into. And of course, those lies are backed up with guns and prison sentences and disenfranchisement for those who don't get in line. That's how things are at the moment. But for all that, I'm lucky: surrounded by friends, able to love and nurture children, haven't had a run-in with the police in over 10 years and I get paid either to feed people or entertain people or heal them.
If voting for someone to keep a worse person from gaining power makes someone feel safer then why shouldn't they?
And lastly, just a few more thoughts about using "gang rape" as your go to metaphor for what governments do. The problem with using gang rape as a metaphor or even just plain old rape rape, for that matter, is that it doesn't happen to everyone (and that's not really a problem at all). So, using it as a metaphor is gonna be lost on a lot of people because they don't identify with it. Metaphors are only as good as their universality. And using it as a metaphor when you yourself have never experienced it is just gonna hurt the people who have. It's like when kids talk about "getting raped" when they lose at a video game. It's, at best, tacky.
And that's the problem with calling the government's policy in Iraq "gang rape." No actual victim of gang rape is gonna say they weren't raped. That the rape was actually necessary and helpful. But there are some people in Iraq who have indeed benefitted from our government's intervention over there. Some people who do not feel gang raped. So, to them it ain't gang rape. So, for you, enjoying the various perks and privileges of your afluent, non-war-zone existence to arrogate the authority to call what the folks in Iraq are going through "gang rape" is kinda insulting. It's just another form of colonialism. You're saying you know better. And unless you've been over there in the past 10 years, you really don't, do you?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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I think this whole discussion is uglyugly. I don't think anyone here deserves "what they get." What we all deserve is respect. Plain and simple. I'm really just overwhelmed with the inhumanity of my fellow human beings right now.
That's about it for me. Thank you for your plea for sanity, Cav, well put and reasonable, but I think this has gone as far past reason as humanly possible, and I don't know how people get back to sanity.
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Refusing to "feed" something means rejecting it completely, not living in the middle of it's bounty, not having a perfectly lovely life while it goes right on damaging others, yet claiming moral superiority for "not being involved". Running away is running away, period. The idea of an intelligent human being running for President, then because the Presidency is not a dictatorship, once in power being unable to make things the way they want, then QUITTING, is beyond belief, beyond logic, beyond any kind of sanity.
People feed a system that is so horrible, and then pretend that has nothing to do with that system then abusing people - and those who refuse to feed the goddamn thing are accused of doing nothing ?
The equivalent to what is being debated is the person standing in the crowd during a gang rape and SAYING AND DOING NOTHING, just walking away. You want to compare voting to joining a gang rape? Then NOT being involved in the system whatsoever, yet living in the middle of it, is JUST as equivalent to standing around watching a gang rape. That should easily be clear to anyone.
And is totally stupid. Both of them. Someone PM'd me about my responses in the actual gang rape thread, and said surely I realize that the other people here are just as humane as I and see the grays. To that person I say: Oh, yeah? When someone--apparently at least TWO someones--actually, SERIOUSLY, condemns all the millions of people who honestly tried to decide how best to use their right to vote as gang rapists, you really think so? If so, that is the height of insanity. ACTUAL dictators who've allowed ACTUAL gang rape is one thing; if one wishes to diss the American government, why not use terminology which fits the "crimes"?
We can disagree about who to vote for and why; we can decry the wrongs done by our government in our names; we can try to change things for the better. But to call people RAPISTS for voting?... ". I'm really just overwhelmed with the inhumanity of my fellow human beings right now."
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Because every human being actually deserves forgiveness.
They don't deserve forgiveness if they are still doing it. I'm still paying taxes.
Quote:I appreciate the effort. Thanks. :)
I don't know if it's at all fruitful to talk to you like this.
Quote:My first foray into trolling. ;) Though I meant every word I said, so it wasn't really trolling.
Is making enemies of good folks over the internet a useful or necessary passtime? Is inflamatory language really the best way to make people think???
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If voting for someone to keep a worse person from gaining power makes someone feel safer then why shouldn't they?
Sigh.
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But there are some people in Iraq who have indeed benefitted from our government's intervention over there. ...You're saying you know better.
No, I am saying the majority of the people in Iraq are saying they aren't benefitting from our govt's intervention. I think if they say so, we should apologize.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
The equivalent to what is being debated is the person standing in the crowd during a gang rape and SAYING AND DOING NOTHING, just walking away.
I am not advocating saying and doing nothing. I am advocating not participating in evil.
I didn't say that if I were Obama, I would just quit and walk away. I said if I were Obama, I would resign in PROTEST. Keyword: Protest. Then I would use my considerable connections and charisma to start a new party that can rally the public into pressuring the rest of government to stop doing evil.
That's not doing nothing. That is just not doing evil.
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Just as long as you continue to insist that people who vote for someone because they believe that person will do a better job than the other person are gang rapist, you have lost any and all credibility. There are many ways you could disagree with people voting; that one is asinine.
I don't feel the same way about you as Mal4 does; in my opinion, I HAVE to believe you are being deliberately naive and I'm sad to see someone refuse to use their intelligence. You know full well that there isn't a person alive who would deliberately run for office knowing that his power would be limited and he would have to resign immediately, you HAVE to, you cannot be that ignorant. It is the people who voted for Obama you are calling gang rapists, THAT is the issue. What Obama would/wouldn't, should/shouldn't do is not the point.
Calling people misinformed, ignorant, even stupid for voting for someone is one thing; calling them gang rapists is purely insane, period.
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OK, much of the response this morning has been from she-who-is-newly-on-my-scroll-on-by-list, so I don't know what's happened there (besides, judging by the responses, a stubborn insistence to stay stupid), but I have to say...
That PoS banner was pretty good, right? I made that! Never made an animated gif before. I'm very pleased with it. 
Oh dear - Penguin11, if you're still around, sorry all this ugliness has come up. Really, I very very rarely do this, and have never gone so deeply or unapologetically into name-calling. I once called all of RWED a "cesspool" or somesuch when there were a whole bunch of these types of fights going on. Now I guess I've become one of the 'cess'. It's kind of inevitable if you stay around here long enough.
Anyway, I hope this spat hasn't scared you away!
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Mal4, you can always back up, return to your old ways and proceed. Heaven knows I've done it more times than anyone cares to remember, and in my opinion it is the only way to continue here. I have no desire to stay in the "ugly" territory like some, and in my case it always results from TRYING to stay above the fray, and slowly having my intentions eroded without my noticing them until it becomes glaringly clear.
This past week, RWED has become even worse than usual, and I for one am going to, once again, TRY to return to a semblance of civility I can live with. I hope you do the same; just personally, I don't like this new style.
I understand your pride, Mal4, I felt precisely the same a long time ago when I created MY first little "emoticon graphic", taking a quote from the Nixon tapes which everyone here has seen me use, or just type, many times: 
(I was pretty proud of that guy at the time, too.) 
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Because every human being actually deserves forgiveness.
They don't deserve forgiveness if they are still doing it. I'm still paying taxes.
See, that doesn't even count as forgiveness then. NOT forgiving people for stuff they no longer do is just childish. Of course you forgive them at that point. No, the only meaningful time to forgive another person is while they're at it--whatever it is. In the very midst of their disease. Or our own.
If we never forgave ourselves until we stopped doing the bad thing, absent an act of god, we'd never be free of it. It can be hard, but so many things worth doing, particularly when it comes to morality, are hard.
Somebody once said, "They know not what they do." Truer words were never spoken.
If you really knew paying taxes was wrong (deeply, objectively wrong like gang rape), you wouldn't do it. As much as you've browbeaten yourself into paying lip-service to your outrageous and unfair arguments about the evil of paying taxes, you still refuse to actually play by those rules because YOU ARE NOT CONVINCED.
Irony of ironies, you've actually forgiven yourself in your body already. Every time your body signs your tax return. Now all you gotta do is recognize that your body is right as summer rain, and your mind that's convinced that paying taxes = gang rape is full of shit and not really a good friend to you!
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Mal4, you can always back up, return to your old ways and proceed. Heaven knows I've done it more times than anyone cares to remember, and in my opinion it is the only way to continue here. I have no desire to stay in the "ugly" territory like some, and in my case it always results from TRYING to stay above the fray, and slowly having my intentions eroded without my noticing them until it becomes glaringly clear.
Oh, no worries about continuing on in a better way. This thing is over! I've got a much better understanding of what pushes my buttons, and if anything like this comes up again, I'll get out sooner!
Sorry to have taken everyone along on my trip to the ugly place. I'm not taking it back though.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
No, the only meaningful time to forgive another person is while they're at it--whatever it is. In the very midst of their disease. Or our own.
If we never forgave ourselves until we stopped doing the bad thing, absent an act of god, we'd never be free of it.
Whoa. That's a very very good point. You're right.
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Somebody once said, "They know not what they do." Truer words were never spoken.
Yes, this is true too.
On the other hand, while we forgive ourselves and pat ourselves on the back for good intentions, people continue to die from atrocities WE are doing. Telling them this is the best we can do, and to be grateful those atrocities aren't worse because we put in the least evil guy we could get--I don't think that counts for much.
Quote:I REALLLY know it is wrong. And yet, I do it because I don't want to go to prison. Gutless hypocrisy is the only name I have for it.
If you really knew paying taxes was wrong (deeply, objectively wrong like gang rape), you wouldn't do it.
Thanks, HK.
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As to the title of this thread... should I start laughing maniacally now.. or wait? Being hated by evil people is something to be celebrated.
"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."
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If you think CTS is a piece of go se now, wait till she pulls her 'poor little victim' routine on you, after calling you a gang-raper. The whole - crying, wringing her handkerchief, I don't understand why she's being so MEAN to poor little misunderstood me, I was just trying to be honorable - schtick.
She's more than go se, she's MANIPULATIVE go se.
ETA: FWIW it seems like pushing people's buttons is her major talent in life.
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As to the title of this thread... should I start laughing maniacally now.. or wait? Being hated by evil people is something to be celebrated.
Are you the evil people or is that everyone else?
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Mal4Prez
If you think CTS is a piece of go se now, wait till she pulls her 'poor little victim' routine on you, after calling you a gang-raper. The whole - crying, wringing her handkerchief, I don't understand why she's being so MEAN to poor little misunderstood me, I was just trying to be honorable - schtick.
She's more than go se, she's MANIPULATIVE go se.
ETA: FWIW it seems like pushing people's buttons is her major talent in life.
Kiki, I'm impressed with your post. You've got spunk. I recall that our last few exchanges a while back were quite decent and interesting. Y'ought to post more often.
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Well, since I hadda go and open my big mouth in the first place, imma try and address this in a from the top kinda-sorta-maybe coherent order, as it were.
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Do you mean that we are all culpable in some way, no matter our choices? I totally agree with this.
Aye, that's what I meant - sometimes people are trapped, and they don't feel they have a choice, and thus attempt to do-least-harm, but one should acknowledge there that harm WILL come of it.
Case in point: folks who voted for Obama cause Romney and his cabal are fucking lunatics, and dangerous ones to boot, they did what they did for reasons, and I don't dispute their intentions...
But Obama has hardly been the pancea he claimed he was gonna be, and those same folks have slacked a bit on chewing his ass for it, and thus some folks feel a certain denial of responsibility is going on.
Others have "refused to play the game", so far as they are able to do so, and those who are not by virtue of being trapped in the system do potently resent being forced to.
Case in point: I begrudge paying taxes, I would not if they were used to build infrastructure, feed the poor, keep services running, support medical care, the things Gov SHOULD be doing... but I do powerfully resent them being used to buy and build bombs and bullets to harm folks who bear no better crime than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That I am culpable in this enrages me, but little choice do I have, and all I can do is throw monkeywrenches in retaliation, but I will not deny that responsibility, you see ?
Because we ARE responsible, collectively, there's no level of dilution of it where we ain't.
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Responsibility is more forward looking: what can we do at this point? That's a much use useful way to go.
That being generally my way of coming at it, but there's so much not-my-problem, not-my-fault goin round that a lot of people have become frustrated, often bitterly so, especially when they personally wind up on the business end of policies and whatnot, and suffer for it, only for those that have by accident, design or resignation supported them to deny all responsibility for doing so, and that does tend to really enrage people, alas.
As too does being told withdrawing consent and participation from the process amounts to "doing nothing", cause sometimes (as I point out in regards to foreign policy a lot) leaving well the hell enough ALONE might be the course of action, or at least not makin it worse.
While I see harsh words were exchanged here, in an attempt to clobber understanding of these positions into each other, which works about as well as it usually does, allow me to indulge in the mild hypocrisy of not using them myself just yet... cause we all know I can and will do that and worse if I feel the need.
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I see HKCav has nailed one end of it down for me, therfore allowing me to concentrate on the other.
Comes a time to a person that you have to do what lets you look in the mirror and not cringe, even if everyone hates you for it, cause at the end of the day answering to that mirror is harder than any facade one could possibly hold up against a hostile world and society.
It's really no secret I have seriously massive *issues* with that of mine own and thus comprehend very deeply why someone would do what lets them live with themselves even if others do not approve - I mean hell, right now I could secure real medical care, make three times as much money for even less work and not have to answer to anyone but a guy I've known for years and respect...
And I will not do it - cause it means workin for TSA/DepHomeSec, sitting in a tower at the airport and picking out potential troublemakers for the shakedown, and I can't live with that.
So I go on protecting this little podunk backwater bit-of-nowhere for barely enough to put food on the table cause whether it MATTERS in the grand scheme of things these folk need, want and value both my protection AND my discretion, my leaving well
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My post to CTS which got eaten by the website went something like this:
"Telling them this is the best we can do, and to be grateful those atrocities aren't worse because we put in the least evil guy we could get--I don't think that counts for much."
But making a choice to have less evil is better than making a choice to keep the same amount of evil, or making a choice to have even more evil. It's to bad we can't be all powerful and make the choice to do away with evil entirely, and for that we should be severely criticized. And in your all-knowing judgment you are just the person to do that.
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You see, when people are willing to discuss topics without pushing other people's buttons (and CTS is a master at button-pushing - siding with Frem as a fellow beleaguered anarchist, calling Mal4 a gang-rapist, creating ill-will then painting herself as a victim), when they bring up their experiences and opinions in order to share with others - I'm more than happy to oblige.
But CTS has pulled her shit way too often for me to have any patience with any bit of her. Life is short, and really, some people aren't worth the waste of time trying to engage with them. There are people here I have written off entirely as being worth spending any of my time on except to make fun of them. She is definitely on that list.
Notice, btw, that I'm not making global accusations as she does, based on a single post or a single pov or some overarching righteousness or an ideological difference. This is my long-term personal observation of her over time, and my personal response is to refuse to waste any bit of time I have on this earth playing her game.
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"beleaguered"?
Seriously?!
Try "belligerent" and possibly "bellicose" and you'd be closer to the mark.
FYI: You might consider, in the grand course of things - *I* am starting to have that opinion about most of you here.
Care to come clean, hmmm ?
-F
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"*I* am starting to have that opinion about most of you here."
Except CTS I'd guess. Have fun.
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Ergo, I am maybe just a little put off about the lack of acceptance in regard to folks doing what they can live with, especially since one of my methods of savaging the system is to reach out to those trapped within it and offer them ways to sandbag it and live with themselves a little better about the matter, don't you know.
Point taken.
Cause if we can't live with ourselves, death is the only other option.
And fighting SOME way is better than death.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If you think CTS is a piece of go se now, wait till she pulls her 'poor little victim' routine on you, after calling you a gang-raper. The whole - crying, wringing her handkerchief, I don't understand why she's being so MEAN to poor little misunderstood me, I was just trying to be honorable - schtick.
Oh, she’s done that to me before. I didn’t feel properly bad for her, which is why I think she’s carried such a grudge.
FWIW, though I still stand by giving her a slap down for what she said in this thread, I don't really think she's go se. People who behave like this do it for a reason. Really, when I'm not in the middle of the fray, I feel bad for her.
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But Obama has hardly been the pancea he claimed he was gonna be, and those same folks have slacked a bit on chewing his ass for it, and thus some folks feel a certain denial of responsibility is going on.
Oh come on, Frem! You were here in 2008. The only ones who said that Obama was claiming to be a panacea or that everyone who voted for him worships him were those who HATED him. The rest of us know very well that he is human and therefore limited. He himself said the process would be hard, the fact that he was optimistic doesn’t mean he promised streets of gold and a unicorn for everyone.
I was pretty sure that he was in for a rough ride, and even with the best of intentions and damned good luck there was no WAY he’d improve enough stuff to get himself reelected.
I think a lot of folks mistook the elation of the left that W was gone—and replaced with someone capable of rational thought—for worship of Obama. Certainly, there was elation that the US did something I didn’t think I’d live to see by electing a black man. And I cannot downplay the sense of relief that my country would no longer be represented by barely literate oilfield cowboy and his soulless kemosabe. This did make me look at O with hearts in my eyes, I admit. But it didn’t make me worship him or expect perfection.
There has been plenty of disappointment regarding O’s effectiveness on this website by his “supporters”. The RWA types cannot fathom both supporting and criticizing an authority figure, so I guess these criticisms somehow escape their notice.
Quote:You think you’re the only one? Many of use who have held our noses and reached a toe in to a game we know is dirty resent having to do so. I fucking hate what my taxes are used for—I totally agree about that!
Others have "refused to play the game", so far as they are able to do so, and those who are not by virtue of being trapped in the system do potently resent being forced to.
Regarding doing nothing: I stated several times that that is a valid choice, one I’ve made myself. I do not blame CTS or anyone else for it. (Again – as I said more than once!) The harsh words came up when it became clear to me that CTS was not here to talk politics or to address the many ills of the US. She came into this discussion with one goal (IMHO) – to prove her superiority. This goes back to several little spats we’ve had over the years. She was drooling to stick it to me. She pulled out the gang-rape thing so I’d hit back and then she could cry victim and secure her victory as the better person around here.
So I hit back to the extent that I’m comfortable with (believe me, I could have done more!) My current theory as to how to deal with people like this: honesty. I’ll be honest about where I am, and they can play their mental manipulative gymnastics with themselves until they’re all pretzeled up. Which is what I think happened to her. She pretzeled herself into arguing something she probably didn’t believe, but no damned way was she about to back down from me!
One last thing: I haven’t seen The Last Airbender.
And – is FREMD calling other people belligerent? LOL! I know you have to be laughing about that too!
And – come clean about what? Is this to kiki?
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AFAIK CTS had an abusive childhood. So did a lot of people here. In this group it doesn't make her entitled to special consideration. But she revels in her toxic personality and spreads it wherever she goes. She's not trying to get over it, or trying to make the world a better place, she's the abuser now.
"And – come clean about what? Is this to kiki?"
Frem is the only one who knows. Since it was in a post to me I guess it was to me, but what it means ... not a clue.
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Quote:BINGO. I think we have a winner.
If you think CTS is a piece of go se now, wait till she pulls her 'poor little victim' routine on you, after calling you a gang-raper. The whole - crying, wringing her handkerchief, I don't understand why she's being so MEAN to poor little misunderstood me, I was just trying to be honorable - schtick.
Quote:C'mon Frem, you're smarter than this. You said that people who voted for Obama believe him to be the panacea and are doing nothing else. Why are you saying that? You're saying that because CTS said it, that's why. Even though none of it is true, you forgot everyhting that anyone else had ever posted and sucked in CTS's blanket mischaracterization whole-cloth. I'm surprised you didn't choke on it. Just think back to the pre-vote posts: Did ANYONE think that Obama was The Oracle? Do you seriously think that Niki and others make voting their ONLY political act???
FYI: You might consider, in the grand course of things - *I* am starting to have that opinion about most of you here. Care to come clean, hmmm ?
Here's my take on the situation (If you don't recognize the quote, look it up.)
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Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.
Voting is a strategic act with limited choices. The best strategy was, and still is: If you live in a state in which the vote is overwhelmingly in one direction or another, then you're free to vote your ideal candidate. Why??? Because even though your vote won't make a difference to the final outcome, the Dems (Repubs too) DO keep track of the other parties' votes. If Dems vote drops and the Green Party scores a major uptick, the Dem central committee will definitely take notice.
But if the vote is a toss-up, the choice is tougher. You really do have to consider whether to vote for the lesser of two weevils, or whether it is worth the possible negative consequences in letting the lesser of two weevils fail. My personal opinion is that once the bigger weevil gets in power, there is a one-way ratchet to hell, so my advice would be to vote for the lesser of two weevils and try to make progress in other areas.
Forgiveness is not yours or CTS' to give, because none is required. The only thing I would do is slap some peeps upside the head (lightly) for not voting their third-party candidate if they had the chance, not because it was evil but because it was a wasted opportunity.
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People who behave like this do it for a reason.
Thank you, Mal. Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life, and I decided to come here and troll because right now, I hate myself, and I wanted to make other people hate me too.
I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back.
I have a new level of respect for your personal integrity and honesty. Thank you again.
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
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And here we have the victim card.
If this were a one-time thing, or an occasional thing, I'd believe her story. But this is a pattern over many. many years. And each and every time it's about some supposed current crisis, some problem from her past, some angst and drama that nobody else can understand.
I have yet to see one topic that CTS addresses without burying her head in the sand to block out facts, without snarking her way into earned hostility, without playing one poster against the other.
And despite her supposed yearning for truth, freedom, and a better world, I have yet to hear of ONE thing she has actually DONE to make things better.
Sheesh.
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The RWA types cannot fathom both supporting and criticizing an authority figure, so I guess these criticisms somehow escape their notice.
In a nutshell. Yes, I'm sick to death of the "savior" and all the other ridiculous things the right continues to toss around--especially Rap. It ceased bothering me much after we'd explained it to him/them three or four times, I just assumed what Mal4 wrote. Says a lot about them, seems to me...Quote:
Sig, that, and that entire last post, are rather beautiful. Not that it'll make any impression.
Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.
If I were interested, I would ask, once again, why, if CTTS sees America and our system of government as so unmitigatedly evil, why she's a naturalized citizen? Why not just stay a citizen of Peru, which she must think is perfect, apparently?
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I do hope you looked up the source of the quote. If not, here it is!
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Karl Marx 18th Brumaire
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CTS: Another painful crisis?
Well, if your real-life behavior is anything like it is here on the board, maybe that is causing at least part of your problem.
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Err, no.
I was stating that referring to me as "beleagured" was ridiculous in light of the fact that I *am* belligerent and bellicose, in fact quite 'militant' about... well, NOT being militant, really.
Far as Anarchists go I'm hardball enough about it to offend other Anarchists, mostly cause they either haven't thought their actions through or choose to engage in the hypocrisy of trying to wreck structures other people seem to WANT, which IMHO violates the non-aggression principle and makes them hypocritical - and they really don't like it when you point that out.
And the opinion I was starting to have is that it's apparently futile to argue with folk who decide to take disagreement so damn personal that it gets downright nasty without regard to the facts of any particular point - this strikes home with me particularly cause I don't wanna run your lives for you as this is against all that I believe.
That is not, whatever, reciprocated here.
And that I resent this, bitterly, is bloody obvious, and then for those who can't or won't grok that maybe leaving people alone, I begin resenting THEM - especially when they decide to support things which have no real impact on them, but have an immediate and negative effect on me and mine, and then have utterly no humility or shame about it, nor see the hypocrisy of wanting such control over others all the while decrying conservatives doin the same goddamn thing, just on different things.
Just as I see no real difference between the Taliban and the Christian right, cause whatever supposed differences they have is immaterial in thier conduct towards me, same goes for political factions too, cause every little petty tyrant clamoring for a fistfull of leash and wanting to wrap it around my goddamn neck makes me kinda hateful, given that I fail to see the essential DIFFERENCE - they both wanna run other peoples lives for em, and when folks buck the leash are completely willing to use force.
And then they lie about it, on top of the hypocrisy.
As for trotting out that Obama-as-savior strawman, cause that is what is is, all that I said was that he wasn't the pancea he claimed he was gonna be - and this is pure unadulterated fact.
Gitmo is still operational, we're still up to our ass in the middle east, and our foreign policy is every bit the disaster it ever was - yes I am aware he was gonna be roadblocked at every turn and corner by the hard-right cabal, but there were things within his power that he chose not to do, and things within his power he ought NOT have done that he then chose to do, and while thankfully not given a free pass on that shit, I think that many folks were so overcome with relief to be out from under the grasping hand of the rightwing tyrant nutbags they didn't stand to when it really counted against more subtle and insidious means of accomplishing much the same things... and flamed as extremist those who tried to.
Like any politician, Obama could seriously use a major ass-chewing by the public, at the very least to remind him of where the folks who supported him stand, and as encouragement to not keep stickin his hand into the meatgrinder by trying to play nice with folks who have no intentions of doing so - and while I do see some level of disapproval, it's all desultory and apathetic, rather than the focused, concentrated rage which frankly *needs* to be applied to move any politician off their ass and out of the path of least resistance rut.
There's a far cry from sayin Obama needs more teeth in his ankle than the strawman folks shove up to the fore when they don't care for being called on not applying the stick to him.
There's also that this whole little bit as of late comes off as fucking bullying it does, whether or not there was any justification for it, reeking of the same boot-party the rightwingnuts used to hand out when they and their sockpuppets were the majority of RWED, meet the new boss same as the old boss - this is nowhere more clear than
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"... especially when they decide to support things which have no real impact on them, but have an immediate and negative effect on me and mine ..."
Such as? Who here has supported OVERdiagnosis and inappropriate drug therapy for minors? Who has supported drone strikes? The Iraq War? GITMO? Torture? The USPATRIOT Act? Oil drilling in the Gulf and Arctic? Nuclear power? Life begins at conception. C'mon - name names. I bet you have a whole list. List your topics - and name us some names, and quote us some quotes. Please. It would make your assertions so much more credible.
BTW - thanks for reminding me of that name, I was racking my brain trying to remember who I'm supposed to be. I will endeavor to remember it in the future.
As for me stepping in to support SignyM, it actually looks to me like it's the the way around.
Me, I stepped in b/c I'm old, in pain, cranky, and I enjoy irking the people who post things that irk me. I call it the privilege of being old. Yes, it may be hard to believe, but you're not the only one with significant medical problems, - life threatening ones in fact - and lots and lots and lots of pain. I get to be the cranky old lady. And in this case CTS irked me on Mal4's account. So I did what I enjoy doing - I irked back.
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Oh dear. I was going to make some post of peace, and hope it would end, but clearly this thing has its own life.
I seems I may have judged CTS's mentality correctly, in which case, I can only say that I have lived inside that brain and it was not easy. The process I described above, the manipulation and pretzely-ness, are things I have done without being aware I was doing them, and it made me miserable for years.
Yes, she got annoying, as she often has and probably will again. But I agree with Frem: no need for further stomping now that the fireworks are over. If she is in the same place were I used to be, no one is made more miserable by it than she is. Let that be enough, for Heaven's sake!
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Err, no.
I was stating that referring to me as "beleagured" was ridiculous in light of the fact that I *am* belligerent and bellicose, in fact quite 'militant' about... well, NOT being militant, really.
OK - makes much more sense! I mean, you would have a point that anyone who hangs out in RWED as long as I have picks up some belligerous-ishness, but no one will ever quite have your flair LOL!
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As for trotting out that Obama-as-savior strawman , cause that is what is is, all that I said was that he wasn't the pancea he claimed he was gonna be - and this is pure unadulterated fact.
You know, it's proof of how not-on-either-side you are that I often can't get your meaning. Do you mean it's a strawman that the rightwing says we worship O? Or did you see my post as a strawman?
Did O really claim to be a panacea? I mean, any more than any politician claims he or she will accomplish impossible tasks... Which of course fits right into your statement that both sides suck. I guess I tend to skip over some of that, because I take it as a given part of the process as it is today.
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I think that many folks were so overcome with relief to be out from under the grasping hand of the rightwing tyrant nutbags they didn't stand to when it really counted against more subtle and insidious means of accomplishing much the same things...
True. Can't argue about that.
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and flamed as extremist those who tried to.
Really? People who criticized Obama (in a reasonable way, not like the current example) got flamed?
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Like any politician, Obama could seriously use a major ass-chewing by the public,
Goodness yes! All politicians are disconnected and should be chewed. Even if they don't start that way, the system changes them. It's what happens when you have to win votes from an electorate which is itself not real connected.
My political fantasy is to get rid of professional politicians and elections and have public office be a duty that EVERYONE gets called up for, just like jury duty. It would come with an upper middle class salary, so it'd be a boon for the poor, a cut for the rich. We'd have plenty of $$ to fund it, since there'd be no more need for campaign slush funds.
A last thing about your Obama criticism that I'm in a bind over: part of me really wishes that O had steamrolled everything he wanted in his first two years and gotten all his shit done. Another part of me says that this is exactly what Bush did. As much as I despise the Tea Party and the current GOP, they are Americans, and they should be part of the process. This makes things slower, and even has despicable results, like more innocents killed overseas when the wars drag on. Buy it seems like letting the political pendulum take ever wider swings will lead to even worse disasters.
Loving the USA (not that we all have to) means that, while recognizing our shortcomings, we ought to respect the process that got us to where we are now. As flawed as we are, I much prefer living here and now rather than Europe in the 1700's. (Sorry this is lecture-y, it's a thought that's been rolling around for a while and isn't complete yet. Just throwing it out there.)
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I hope none of you would imagine that I've been taken in by CTS's great Powers of Manipulation, but I don't detect even the hint of "victim card" in this post. Read it again and try not to override it with what you "know" about CTS.
Maybe CTS is irratic and maybe she does have mental abnormalities. If it were true, that would suck, wouldn't it? Is this how you choose to treat people who are worse off than you? I don't get it. I really don't.
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
People who behave like this do it for a reason.
Thank you, Mal. Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life, and I decided to come here and troll because right now, I hate myself, and I wanted to make other people hate me too.
I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back.
I have a new level of respect for your personal integrity and honesty. Thank you again.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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It's kind of interesting how passionately most of you are arguing when as far as I can see, mostly you are in pretty near agreement. Old resentments....
In a nutshell, your choices as citizens...
1. Vote for 3rd party options, as it may push a major party into those policy direction
2. Vote to keep the candidate you cannot tolerate OUT of power
3. Vote for the candidate whose policies align most closely with yours, and lobby/protest/demonstrate like mad to change the other policies
4. Become heavily involved within the political process to try and create change from within
5. Choose to not participate in the current system because you abhor it so much you cannot morally participate in any way and live with yourself
Have I left any options off?
Maybe whinge like hell on a board devoted to a 10 year defunct sci fi show (my personal fav)
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I hope none of you would imagine that I've been taken in by CTS's great Powers of Manipulation, but I don't detect even the hint of "victim card" in this post. Read it again and try not to override it with what you "know" about CTS.
Maybe CTS is irratic and maybe she does have mental abnormalities. If it were true, that would suck, wouldn't it? Is this how you choose to treat people who are worse off than you? I don't get it. I really don't.Quote:
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
People who behave like this do it for a reason.
Thank you, Mal. Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life, and I decided to come here and troll because right now, I hate myself, and I wanted to make other people hate me too.
I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back.
I have a new level of respect for your personal integrity and honesty. Thank you again.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Yeah, she was just being sarky
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Um. "Sarky" as in sarcastic? What if she's not?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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I know people with serious neurological disabilities. I know people with destructive histories. I know people with both. I have nothing but patience and an open helping hand for them. For decades my efforts to help such people have been at the cost of at least another 40 hrs/ week on top of a full time job. I get it.
But NONE of them are as corrosive as CTS.
This: "... Yes, I am going through a very painful period in my personal life ..." is the typical non-apology of the serial abuser. It's not me, it's b/c of ... fill in the blank with your choice ... in this case "I hate myself". "I apologize profoundly for hurting your feelings. And of course, I take everything I said about you back." The guy with the flowers after he beat up his gf/ wife - again. I'm so sorry. I really didn't mean to. Don't think badly of me. Let me escape your dislike and get back into your good graces.
Me, I'm gong to wait and see how sincere she is. I suspect not very.
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Um. "Sarky" as in sarcastic? What if she's not?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Yes sarky = sarcastic.
Seemed that way to me. But of course one of the great downfalls on internet discussion is that you cannot hear people's tone or see their face.
Maybe that's a good thing sometime. ;)
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Um. "Sarky" as in sarcastic? What if she's not?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Yes sarky = sarcastic.
Seemed that way to me. But of course one of the great downfalls on internet discussion is that you cannot hear people's tone or see their face.
Maybe that's a good thing sometime. ;)
That post does sound like it could be snark, but she sent me a PM that is more cordial. I'm not saying I'm going to enter into many conversations with her in the future, but in my mind this thing is settled and done. Let's all leave her be and move on.
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My post to Mal4 was sincere. My acceptance of her piece of shit award was sarcastic. I know it is hard to tell the difference in print, but there it is.
Thank you too, HK and Frem, for trying to make peace. I adore you both.
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Okay. So I was thinking about this today.
The nicest things people have said about me: Jack says I'm humble, I don't think its true, I fake it okay for short periods, but I don't think I'm a particularly humble person. Jack also says other good things about me that I would like to think are true. People say that even though I may not agree with them they think I'm someone who cares about people essentially. I feel this is true. I do care about people, they're all that really matters for the most part, relationships are what matters when you boil life down.
As for the bad things: People say I'm passive agressive. I've thought about that one since it happened last March, I didn't really understand what that means but I think I finally get it. And now that I understand what it means I think I can agree that I'm a bit passive aggressive, but not to a problematic level, I don't think a bit of it hurts anyone. Why is it such an insult to be told you're passive aggressive? What's wrong with it in moderation?
I've been told that I'm a goody two shoes, what is the etimology of that one anyways? Whether that is true remains to be seen. In some ways I'm prudish and in some ways I'm crude, it all depends on the topic really and what people define as prude and crude, I've got both going on.
People think its "sad" that I believe some of the things I do. If they seriously think that's sad then they should go experience real life for a spell and they'll see what sad is. So I can't agree there. I believe what I believe, it is what it is, I'm an adult with the right to believe and live my life as I see fit, y'all can believe how you wish too, its a free verse.
Others? What are the best, and worse, things you recall off the top of your head people saying to you on this forum? Do you think they are true?
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Hehe....
Riona... I think you missed the entire point I was trying to make with you!!!!!!
Who cares what people think about you?????
As long as you are living what you see as a virtuous life, or at the very least, a life you can be content with, forget about those outside influences (especially from the RWED!!!!!)
I can guarantee that 99% of the fools that gave me shit in grade school are in a much worse situation than I am. Hell.... most of my friends are in relly dire straits now financially with their families.
If you take nothing else away from this, it's that you never have anything bad to say about anyone. That's, at least from my standpoint, your guiding light.
Maybe I was mistaken to call it "Humble" about you, but I really think it is. You must have had a tougher than normal upbringing to continually put others on a pedestal while never admiring yourself for who you are and who you've become.
To answer your question for the thread......
I've been called "fag". I've been called "teacher's pet". I've been called everything pretty much except any "ugly" remarks because that would just show the accuser how stupid they were.
What I've learned over the years is to just go with it....
When somebody tells me I'm a fag, I ask them if they'd mind dislodging the dead gerbil out of my ass because Richard Geer is busy this weekend.
I just leave the boss/manager thing out of the equation there though. They were probably on to something. Any job where I had to actually punch in, Igot 20 more hours a week than any dildo making a remark. I really just feel sorry for them that this is the only job that they can get in their position......
minimum wage with no benefits and no hope for the future......
If that makes me a fag........?
Well....
I'm your Huckelberry......
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Quote:Frem was "trying to make peace"????
Thank you too, HK and Frem, for trying to make peace.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, whatever. But thanks for the laugh!
FREM
CTS calls people gang-rapists by saying they did/ thought/ felt things that they never did. When she was called on it, she did what she always does... she climbed onto her cross. And you did what YOU always do... you got on your high horse defending asshole behavior. Yanno, there is no reason to "forgive" people for doing/thinking/ feeling things they never did, but if forgiveness was required you would not be one of the people justified in doling it out. The only person who forgave anyone in this thread was MAL4. I think I understand why CTS does what she does, but why you do what you do is a puzzle.
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And here I expected an avalanche slide into flamewar - I am rather pleasantly surprised, would that I were wrong more often...
Believe me, it's not any comfort being right on something when most of the time those things are pretty awful, but nevermind that for now.
Mal4
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You know, it's proof of how not-on-either-side you are that I often can't get your meaning. Do you mean it's a strawman that the rightwing says we worship O? Or did you see my post as a strawman?
Nah, not your post - thing is, yea verily the rightwingnuts like to hold up that Obama-as-savior strawman when folk point out the difficulty of climbing uphill against the obstructionist tide of morons, even though nobody really holds that belief, it's just bullshit.
Thing is, there I went throwing harsh but fairly honest criticisms of the guy, only to get accused of advancing that particular strawman, which I was not - Obama might be the best of a bad lot, but that's a damn piss poor showing and an awfully low standard to be holding.
He can do better, we can do better, and we have a responsibility, a civic duty one might even call it, to MAKE that lazy bastard do better, and to kneecap the hell out of those who obstruct just for the sake of partisanship as well.
See, Anarchists are big on civic duty, they HAVE to be, cause without a Government to force the issue, to provide for it, they absolutely have to be willing to stand to without that nudge, and if they are not then that means they're fulla shit about not needing a Gov to get things done.
Of course, TRY telling some of them this without physically pounding it into their skull, now there's an exercise in frustration for ya, but I digress...
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Did O really claim to be a panacea? I mean, any more than any politician claims he or she will accomplish impossible tasks... Which of course fits right into your statement that both sides suck. I guess I tend to skip over some of that, because I take it as a given part of the process as it is today.
Well, as with all of em he made promises - but some of those promises were by no means hard to carry out, and didn't require him to find a way to ram them through the opposition, and yet he still did not keep them, and I found that a bit of a bitter pill to swallow.
Tis one thing to have the excuse of rabid opposition, but moral cowardice and political laziness is just unacceptable.
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Really? People who criticized Obama (in a reasonable way, not like the current example) got flamed?
Well, I did - mind you that was in respect to not calling these Corporate wall street jackasses to heel a LOT harder than was done, and now in hindsight that flameage doesn't seem so justified, but oh well.
You've never done so, mind - but an enormous pet peeve with me is when I encourage a stand about something, get told I am overreacting and extremist, and then thanks to no one standing up it then *DOES* get every fucking bit as bad as I called it, and when it's pretty much TOO LATE to do any goddamn thing about it the very same folks who pooh-poohed the notion of standing up WHEN IT MEANT SOMETHING dare whinge and whine about the very things they either allowed to happen or even cheered on... till it came back around and slapped them in the face just like I said.
Cases in point:
Giving cops Tasers without proper oversight and accountability of their use.
Allowing zero-tolerance bullshit in our schools, which then became the norm for airport security.
Not standing up for the rights of Youth in general, cause due to their less-than-pets legal/social/political status, they are often the test bed for invasive/oppressive measures which once codified and refined, *WILL* be applied against the people as a whole, just as Zero Tolerance became Airport Security, for example.
So you can imagine just how little sympathy I have for folk who say, supported Zero Tolerance in schools, when they come whine to me about being shaken down and harrassed at the terminal, right ?
That
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Frem was "trying to make peace"????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Seconded !
-F
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CTS, I hope whatever is going unpleasantly for you improves soon, sometimes life sucks and it never seems to get any easier when things are going poorly. Best wishes.
The people who have said the worst things to/about me are Wish, Cav, Magon's, Kiki and Niki. Wish was my number one nemesis for a while but Cav has replaced her and she has moved down to number 2. Well technically my best friend's husband is my no. 1 nemesis because he's in real life. But that's neither here nor there.
The worst thing I've said to Kiki was saying that the kids in her neighborhood are probably scared of her and make up creepy stories about what happens if they step on her lawn. this was in response to her large volume of name calling in my name calling experiment last year, I thought I was giving punishment (reward?) for winning at most names called. Plus Kiki portrays herself as a cold and rather unfeeling person who likes to be mean for sport. As time goes by however I've seen that Kiki is not always that way, sometimes she is nice and caring and can be reasonable where others fail to be. I think Kiki's not so bad as I used to think. Though that improvement regarding her disposition was tested a couple of months ago when she was a snot to me. But dispite that hickup I'm trying to see the good in Kiki and I now know it is there, she just usually hides it, which is really a shame, because I think if people knew more about the good in her they'd get on with her better. I did apologize for saying that about her and I think she accepted. I was wrong to say that about the neighbor kids, it wasn't right and I'm still sorry I did it. I have this weakness in me where if I perceive, rightly or wrongly, time usually lets me know, that someone is cold and unfeeling, lacks empathy or doesn't have the capacity to love I really dislike that person and start pushing their buttons on purpose, to try and see if maybe I'm wrong about them, or maybe to make them angry, or something. But I now know, I figured it out about nine months ago, that Kiki does care about people and has good in her and so I try not to be mean to her anymore. I've definitely grown to like her better, with a few bumps in the road sure, but no one is perfect, and I do know now that she has some good qualities and actually does care about people in this world.
Cav: Well I almost insulted him i nGaeilge in my other current thread to prove my point, but I chose not to do that, so I really haven't said anything very bad about him.
Wish: When we got in that fight last year I said some things to her, insinuated morelike, sideways which were very unkind and were a little cruel, but I still secretly believe them to be true based on a compilation of her behavior on here. But she was asking for it in my opinion and what I said got the desired affect, it riled her visibly and soon after she settled down which was good.
I've had other times when I've written something really unkind and then deleted before posting, because being mean isn't the best way to get points across and my main point for being on here was to make friends, so I could talk to people even if I couldn't go anywhere and talk to people.
Oh, and Jack, I have said some mean things to Jack, but only when he asks for it, I believe I referred to him as trash once based on something he wrote that deeply troubled me. But he said I misunderstood what he wrote and I choose to believe that is correct, that I misunderstood. Because if I didn't misunderstand then I can't talk to him anymore.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Whoa. How did I manage to even rate on your nemesis scale, let alone achieve the top spot? 'Cause I thought you were dismissive of the crimes of St. Patrick??? Really?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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See my post some pages back. Rione cannot tolerate to be disagreed with. You disagreed with her. Therefore you are her No 1 nemesis.
There is nowt as strange as folk....
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This is my take on her - she has genuine external and internal conflicts.
I suspect due to her illness she was indulged and a low standard was set for her. And she indulges herself - if her life is short and inconsequential she might as well believe what makes her happy; facts, logic and the ability to discuss divergent views be damned. OTOH she truly depends on others for the necessities of life, so any disagreements have to be very, very covert. I think she's in a mental bind. She's too dependent to be upfront, and too self-indulgent to give up the fantasies and happy play-world in her head. But then, she comes across as really young. There's a saying I heard a while back that settles in as more true as times goes on - when we're younger we are the people we were raised to be, as we get older we become the people we were born to be. She's got a ways to go. IMHO
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CTS, I hope whatever is going unpleasantly for you improves soon, sometimes life sucks and it never seems to get any easier when things are going poorly. Best wishes.
Thank you. It's gotten a lot better already, since yesterday.
As an aside, I found this funny, and accurate.
Rion, it is collage of 4 photos of Obama.
#1. Obama dressed as superman. Caption: What I think I do.
#2. Obama dressed as Jesus. Caption: What Democrats think I do.
#3. Obama dressed as Hitler. Caption: What Republicans think I do.
#4. Picture of G.W. Bush. Caption: What I actually do.
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Disobedience is not an issue if obedience is not the goal.
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CTS: I say this, as a friend, with concern for your well being...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DopeSlap
I AM JUST FACEPALMING SO HARD AT YOU RIGHT NOW CTS.
It is going to LEAVE A MARK.
Do I know that your point was the Obama = Bush picture in the lower right corner? Yes. Are you torpedoing your credibility faster than the frikkin' Lusitania by bringing up an Obama = messiah strawman? Oh good gravy yes.
There is fallout and repercussions all over in here.
And this is after you actually called people on this board PRO-GANG-RAPE. Including a person with a rape experience. And after you apologized and people didn't BELIEVE YOUR SINCERITY, you go ahead and, as 1kiki would describe it, went right back to posting an Obama = messiah picture, and probably just snarked your way into renewed hostility. You're out of control upset that you're losing friends but what is happening right here is that you're self-destructing in a remarkable and highly alarming fashion. Incredibly enough it's mostly accidental, but self-destruction here is no less determined.
And, lastly, you made me feel compelled to post here again and break my promises AGAIN so I could call you out on how you're making everything so much worse for yourself.
In short: What are you even DOING?
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