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Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:15 PM

SIGNYM

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Sodbusting as a way of life at risk. An entire harvest gone for the year, thousmafs of animals killed, small towns wiped off the map https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-21/catastrophic-flooding-midwes
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Friday, March 22, 2019 8:01 AM

REAVERFAN


Hundreds of legitimate news sources, but you go with Zerohedge.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:06 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


News reported that flooding in WI has damaged 1,100 homes - 25% of which were uninsured.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
News reported that flooding in WI has damaged 1,100 homes - 25% of which were uninsured.



Oh shit... that's not cool man.


I wonder how many thought they were insured, because they pay for homeowners insurance, but didn't realize that flood insurance is a separate thing.

I can't imagine that those who aren't in a floodplain are let in on that little secret by their insurance provider(s) that just saved millions upon millions of dollars by dodging that bullet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:26 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
News reported that flooding in WI has damaged 1,100 homes - 25% of which were uninsured.


Oh shit... that's not cool man.


I wonder how many thought they were insured, because they pay for homeowners insurance, but didn't realize that flood insurance is a separate thing.

I can't imagine that those who aren't in a floodplain are let in on that little secret by their insurance provider(s) that just saved millions upon millions of dollars by dodging that bullet.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Not living in a flood zone is where it is cheap. It's those that are in the Flood Zones where things get complicated, at least in WI. Some are not allowed to get Flood Insurance, some are required to, etc.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Not living in a flood zone is where it is cheap. It's those that are in the Flood Zones where things get complicated, at least in WI. Some are not allowed to get Flood Insurance, some are required to, etc.

You are only left to drown if your community refused the National flood insurance program or you, the homeowner, refused to pay for it. More than 500 communities in Wisconsin participate in the NFIP by adopting and enforcing floodplain management ordinances to reduce future flood damage. In exchange, the NFIP makes federally backed flood insurance for structures and/or contents available to homeowners, renters and business owners in these communities. AND NOT IN THE ONES NOT PARTICIPATING!

Flood insurance is available to anyone who lives in or owns a structure in a community that participates in the NFIP. AND NOT IN THE ONES NOT PARTICIPATING!

https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/floodplains/insurance.html

How many communities in Wisconsin do not participate in the national flood insurance program? Google does not know but it did reply:

Very few homeowners have this coverage. In 2016, just 5.1 million policies were in force (in the entire USA) through the National Insurance Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), according the Insurance Information Institute. NFIP provides the bulk of the nation’s flood insurance coverage.

Skipping coverage can be a huge financial mistake. The average flood insurance claim is about $43,000, according to FEMA. Damage from just 1 inch of water can top $20,000.

If you have no flood insurance policy, you are on the hook for all the damages.

www.insure.com/flood-insurance/who-needs-flood-insurance.html

An example of a participating community: Flood insurance is only available to those participating communities in the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP). Because of our floodplain management programs that attempt to protect us from the multiple flooding hazards, Reedsburg is part of the NFIP and thus, residents are able to obtain flood insurance. Additionally, because the City participates in FEMA’s CRS program, flood insurance premiums are discounted.
www.reedsburgwi.gov/index.asp?SEC=E675FDA9-0594-49B6-9283-2E450A4CE182
&DE=C40FFEC7-22BF-4782-9CDC-E2CB5BE5D5E9


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:06 PM

SIGNYM

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Insurance or not, nothing can replace the topsoil when it's been scoured by the flood

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Insurance or not, nothing can replace the topsoil when it's been scoured by the flood

I didn't know that was a problem in this case.

I kept seeing the term Areal Flooding in the reports and Predictions, here in WI.

Much of the flooding was caused by frozen ground, so with sudden rapid melt of extra snow, nothing could soak in. Usually ground frost thaws from the bottom up, so topsoil would be the last to unfreeze. Perhaps I'm wrong on this, haven't kept up.

Engineered or Designated Flood Plains, Reservoirs, and such are overflow areas, allowing excessive water quantities to collect, stagnate, pool, and not really have raging flow - specifically to ameliorate such raging River devastation. These areas normally collect such sediment and topsoil, do they not? They recede or drain at a much slower pace.

Without a raging flow, I was under the impression that snowmelt flooding was not a culprit of topsoil erosion, except near and adjacent to rivers, where flora has the quickest bounceback anyhow.
I expect that unfrosted torrential downpours would be that culprit.
Which States or areas are flooding from rapid snowmelt on frozen ground, and which are from heavy rains? I have not been paying enough attention to that.


All of the houses and streets, entire neighborhoods condemned in Green Bay along the East River were from this rapid snowmelt on frozen ground, that I know of. The banks overflowed for only a day or so, and the overwhelmed stormsewer eventually drained it all away. Fond Du Lac was also hit the same. These are both northward flowing rivers, to the Great Lakes.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:11 PM

SIGNYM

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Topsoil erosion

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/03/the-hidden-catastrophe
-of-the-midwests-floods
/

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Topsoil erosion

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/03/the-hidden-catastrophe
-of-the-midwests-floods
/

motherjones? When have they ever gotten anything right?


Yep, they repeated what I posted. Near rivers. Farmland becomes stagnant Lakes. Plus in Iowa, where they champion erosion practices all the time.
Cities flooding is not the same as farmland flooding.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:08 PM

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Topsoil takes a long time to replace but there are ways to speed up its replacement in farmland. Alfalfa - a perennial legume - has roots that go down dozens of feet, and can spread hundreds, bringing minerals up from the depths and compositing them across the surface; and leaving behind humus and air channels. Also, between monoculture, GM crops/ Roundup, and mineral-deficient fertilizer, topsoil has already taken a huge hit.

Of course alfalfa isn't a moneymaker, but with appropriate financial support, farmland topsoil can be replenished to some degree, sequestered, and otherwise improved.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 10:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Insurance or not, nothing can replace the topsoil when it's been scoured by the flood

I didn't know that was a problem in this case.

I kept seeing the term Areal Flooding in the reports and Predictions, here in WI.

Much of the flooding was caused by frozen ground, so with sudden rapid melt of extra snow, nothing could soak in. Usually ground frost thaws from the bottom up, so topsoil would be the last to unfreeze. Perhaps I'm wrong on this, haven't kept up.

Engineered or Designated Flood Plains, Reservoirs, and such are overflow areas, allowing excessive water quantities to collect, stagnate, pool, and not really have raging flow - specifically to ameliorate such raging River devastation. These areas normally collect such sediment and topsoil, do they not? They recede or drain at a much slower pace.

Without a raging flow, I was under the impression that snowmelt flooding was not a culprit of topsoil erosion, except near and adjacent to rivers, where flora has the quickest bounceback anyhow.
I expect that unfrosted torrential downpours would be that culprit.
Which States or areas are flooding from rapid snowmelt on frozen ground, and which are from heavy rains? I have not been paying enough attention to that.


All of the houses and streets, entire neighborhoods condemned in Green Bay along the East River were from this rapid snowmelt on frozen ground, that I know of. The banks overflowed for only a day or so, and the overwhelmed stormsewer eventually drained it all away. Fond Du Lac was also hit the same. These are both northward flowing rivers, to the Great Lakes.

I just realized that non-locals would not know something.
In Green Bay the East River essentially flows into Lake Michigan, or technically into the Fox River, about a quarter mile from the Bay of Green Bay. The East River flooding near the Mason St Bridge is about a mile from the end of the East River. The Fox River is the largest tributary to Lake Michigan.
In Fond Du Lac the Fox River flooded less than a mile from it's entry into Lake Winnebago, the largest Lake wholly contained within a State's borders on the continent. About 30 miles long, 10 miles wide.

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