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Willy Wonka Died Today, The World Lost a Wonderful Clown

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Monday, August 29, 2016 5:52 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Gene Wilder passed away today and the world's a little sadder for it.

Rest in Peace Gene Wilder

I will always smile whenever I think of you.


SGG

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Monday, August 29, 2016 5:57 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here's a snippet from PBS




SGG

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Monday, August 29, 2016 5:57 PM

MOOSE



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Monday, August 29, 2016 6:02 PM

WHOZIT


Wilder's Wonka was warm and child like, Depp's made me want to take a shower. The actors who replaced Wilder in the remakes of his movies were missing something...charm

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Monday, August 29, 2016 6:04 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


And yet another piece, this time at the 92 Street Y in New York.



I am saddened by his passing, he was one of my favorite comedic actors. Silly and inventive, the Charlie Chaplin of our time. The genius of his style of
comedy will be missed.

He will be missed.

RIP Gene Wilder!


SGG

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Monday, August 29, 2016 6:06 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I agree with you 1000%

To me, he was Willy Wonka.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Wilder's Wonka was warm and child like, Depp's made me want to take a shower. The actors who replaced Wilder in the remakes of his movies were missing something...charm


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Monday, August 29, 2016 9:23 PM

THX


With all due respect I just heard an interview on the radio with his nephew and somehow the point came up that he specifically rejected being called a clown but wanted to be known as an actor with comedic talent or some such thing. This was more than vanity and the nephew explained the context of this but the link below shows he was emphatic about it. I guess I never knew people assigned the term "clown" to him in the first place but they must have and I can see it from his goofier performances.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/30/movies/gene-wilder-dead.html?_r=0

As a contrast to his goofy work I bet few have heard of or watched "Quackser Fortune has a Cousin in the Bronx." Most people look at me like I'm crazy when I mention it. It even co-stared Margo Kidder (who is a dream to see at that age.) The movie is definitely rough around the edges a bit but the story and the character played by Wilder is...well, odd. He is sympathetic at times - less so in other times. He is funny, vulnerable, bold and scared. It is one of my favorite gems few others know about and the only reason I knew about it was from a single word mentioned by one of the Wonka "kids" in the commentary audio of the Wonka DVD.

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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:15 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I know I've seen "Quackser Fortune," but probably only once, and that was so long ago I don't remember anything about it or even if I liked it.

I'm sure the first time I saw Gene it was the bit part he had in Bonnie & Clyde, then later that year he had a breakout performance in The Producers.

I enjoyed all of his pairings with Richard Pryor, they worked so well together, but my favorites will always be Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles.

RIP Gene, you will long be remembered.



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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yep.

My favorite of theirs was Stir Crazy..........."yes, that's right, we're bad!"


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Him and Richard Pryor. Pryor's character was blind and Gene's was deaf. Can't think of the name of the film.


ETA Just looked it up. Was "Hear No Evil, See No Evil"


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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:52 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, I didn't realize that he preferred being known as an actor with comedic
underpinnings. But I think many of his fans consider him to be a comic
genius, much like his partner-in-crime, Richard Pryor. Gene as a gifted actor and Richard as a brilliant stand-up comic. He was proud of being
able to go from comedy to drama at the drop of a hat. He mentioned that for
the film The Frisco Kid.

I remember seeing "Quackser Fortune" and how odd it was, but I wasn't aware
he started in Bonnie & Clyde in 1967. One of my favorites in the early days
of his film career is The Producers with Zero Mostel. Bialystock & Bloom!
But, for me, he will forever be Willy Wonka. The remake was a total disaster, that's like trying to remake Casablanca; you just don't do it. There is nothing like the original.


SGG




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Originally posted by THX:
With all due respect I just heard an interview on the radio with his nephew and somehow the point came up that he specifically rejected being called a clown but wanted to be known as an actor with comedic talent or some such thing. This was more than vanity and the nephew explained the context of this but the link below shows he was emphatic about it. I guess I never knew people assigned the term "clown" to him in the first place but they must have and I can see it from his goofier performances.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/30/movies/gene-wilder-dead.html?_r=0

As a contrast to his goofy work I bet few have heard of or watched "Quackser Fortune has a Cousin in the Bronx." Most people look at me like I'm crazy when I mention it. It even co-stared Margo Kidder (who is a dream to see at that age.) The movie is definitely rough around the edges a bit but the story and the character played by Wilder is...well, odd. He is sympathetic at times - less so in other times. He is funny, vulnerable, bold and scared. It is one of my favorite gems few others know about and the only reason I knew about it was from a single word mentioned by one of the Wonka "kids" in the commentary audio of the Wonka DVD.


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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:56 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I agree EC, so many good pairings with Richard Pryor, but I too am devoted
to Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles. As I mention above, my favorite
with Pryor is Stir Crazy. One thing that I found out, was that Pryor was
supposed to be in Blazing Saddles, but his drug problems were too much for
Mel Brooks and the producers to handle.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I know I've seen "Quackser Fortune," but probably only once, and that was so long ago I don't remember anything about it or even if I liked it.

I'm sure the first time I saw Gene it was the bit part he had in Bonnie & Clyde, then later that year he had a breakout performance in The Producers.

I enjoyed all of his pairings with Richard Pryor, they worked so well together, but my favorites will always be Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles.

RIP Gene, you will long be remembered.




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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:35 PM

WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:52 PM

THX


Re: Quackser

What struck me about it was the tale of a guy who was a bit out of time (somewhat through willful ignorance) while the world was racing past. It seems more relevant today in that way than it even did then. Quackser's kind of lifestyle had changed very little for the longest time but it all just rather quickly got up-ended in modern times.

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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:50 PM

WISHIMAY

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If'n ye already knew that and just felt like a new post, then carry on

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Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Wilder's Wonka was warm and child like, Depp's made me want to take a shower. The actors who replaced Wilder in the remakes of his movies were missing something...charm



See, the trick is to never bother to watch the remakes. Saves you the trouble of having to scrub those images from your brain.

What other remakes , besides W.W. ?

Oh well, it doesn't matter. I rewatched the scene where he comes out of the factory, w/ cane in hand, and limps his way toward the gate. That was some serious body control he showed ! I hadn't really watched it before, but man, he really sells it!

Sounds like he left with those closest to him, and his favorite song playing.. Somehere over the rainbow. What a life

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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:13 AM

STAMFORD


So sad that Gene is gone https://www.scottmcadams.org/bathmate-review-results/ with the Bathmate, I'll always remember him as Willy Wonka as I watched that film so many times as a kid. I think I'll try watch some of his other films as I have bo idea why people call him a clown.

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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:49 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I use "clown" as a compliment to his craft as an actor. I only came to find
out Sunday, as I watched an interview on YouTube, that he did not like that
term used to describe his genius and talent.

But, nonetheless, genius and talented he was. You'll see, especially in his early work and then with Pryor. He was a modern-day Charlie Chaplin; he could make you laugh and cry almost at the same time. That is pure and rare indeed.

Perfect example: The Frisco Kid


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by STAMFORD:
So sad that Gene is gone, I'll always remember him as Willy Wonka as I watched that film so many times as a kid. I think I'll try watch some of his other films as I have bo idea why people call him a clown.


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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:03 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I actually got to see Depp's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory for free, along with some young family members, and it was horrible. I wouldn't have gone and paid any money to see it, but I made a commitment, so I was hooked into it.

Yes, Rap the trick is not to bother. I was more cautious when it came to
Alice in Wonderland remake, but was at my niece's house when they were watching it. Fortunately I was not a captive audience. The Wizard of Oz, as dated as it is, is 100 times better than this movie or the Chocolate Factory.

Hollywood has ruined many classics with their money-grubbing approach.
I remember a few years back they tried to remake Casablanca with Pamela
Anderson. Ewwwwww, Pamela Anderson. RUFKM!


SGG

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Wilder's Wonka was warm and child like, Depp's made me want to take a shower. The actors who replaced Wilder in the remakes of his movies were missing something...charm



See, the trick is to never bother to watch the remakes. Saves you the trouble of having to scrub those images from your brain.

What other remakes , besides W.W. ?

Oh well, it doesn't matter. I rewatched the scene where he comes out of the factory, w/ cane in hand, and limps his way toward the gate. That was some serious body control he showed ! I hadn't really watched it before, but man, he really sells it!

Sounds like he left with those closest to him, and his favorite song playing.. Somehere over the rainbow. What a life


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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:31 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/actor-who-played-charlie-in-%e2%8
0%98willy-wonka%e2%80%99-on-gene-wilder-death-%e2%80%98it%e2%80%99s-like-losing-a-parent%e2%80%99/ar-AAigqCw?ocid=spartandhp


"Charlie's" thoughts on Wilder.

“It’s kind of like losing a parent,” said Ostrum. “You know it’s going to happen, but it’s still a shock. He was not in good health at the end and it was not unexpected by any means, but when it happens it hits you like, ‘Gene is gone and there will never be anyone like him again.'”


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Gene Wilder passed away today and the world's a little sadder for it.

Rest in Peace Gene Wilder

I will always smile whenever I think of you.


SGG


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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:07 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Wilder's Wonka was warm and child like, Depp's made me want to take a shower. The actors who replaced Wilder in the remakes of his movies were missing something...charm



See, the trick is to never bother to watch the remakes. Saves you the trouble of having to scrub those images from your brain.

What other remakes , besides W.W. ?

Oh well, it doesn't matter. I rewatched the scene where he comes out of the factory, w/ cane in hand, and limps his way toward the gate. That was some serious body control he showed ! I hadn't really watched it before, but man, he really sells it!

Sounds like he left with those closest to him, and his favorite song playing.. Somehere over the rainbow. What a life



Matthew Broderick played Wilders role the musical remake of "The Producers", Broderick looked and acted like he was made of wood.

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Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:15 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Perfect example: The Frisco Kid


SGG


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Wow...good call. One of a list of off beat comedies from that era which simply don't get aired nearly enough ( or if at all ) , thanks to political correctness.

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Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:00 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


2 for 2 Whozit.

Yes, I read somewhere that Broderick did phone it in and that Nathan Lane read him the "riot act" to snap him out of it. Lane is THE consummate professional and gives his all and actually despises any performer who
cheats the audience by "phoning it in." He's said as much in several interviews, but is very discreet and never actually calls them out in
public.

BTW, I'm a big Nathan Lane fan, he's gifted and hilarious and was actually very good in the O.J. biopic on AMC this spring.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
Wilder's Wonka was warm and child like, Depp's made me want to take a shower. The actors who replaced Wilder in the remakes of his movies were missing something...charm



See, the trick is to never bother to watch the remakes. Saves you the trouble of having to scrub those images from your brain.

What other remakes , besides W.W. ?

Oh well, it doesn't matter. I rewatched the scene where he comes out of the factory, w/ cane in hand, and limps his way toward the gate. That was some serious body control he showed ! I hadn't really watched it before, but man, he really sells it!

Sounds like he left with those closest to him, and his favorite song playing.. Somehere over the rainbow. What a life



Matthew Broderick played Wilders role the musical remake of "The Producers", Broderick looked and acted like he was made of wood.


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Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:06 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Thanks Rappy, we can appreciate good films because we came from an era where good films were in abundance. Now you have a handful, if that. The late 60s and 70s produced some truly quality American films. And you're right, they don't get much play these days.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Perfect example: The Frisco Kid


SGG


Quote:



Wow...good call. One of a list of off beat comedies from that era which simply don't get aired nearly enough ( or if at all ) , thanks to political correctness.


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Thursday, September 1, 2016 9:44 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

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Monday, July 23, 2018 1:44 AM

JOSEPHRUDDER


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Gene Wilder passed away today and [url= https://theskinnyvibes.com/phenq-reviews-and-results/]phenq review[/url] posted here the world's a little sadder for it.



Although I'm too late to pay my tribute, I've just joined this forum and couldn't resist my self when I saw this thread. Willy Wonka was my favorite clown and will always be. I was quite saddened when I heard this news in 2016. RIP Gene Wilder.

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Monday, July 23, 2018 8:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JOSEPHRUDDER:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Gene Wilder passed away today and the world's a little sadder for it.



Although I'm too late to pay my tribute, I've just joined this forum and couldn't resist my self when I saw this thread. Willy Wonka was my favorite clown and will always be. I was quite saddened when I heard this news in 2016. RIP Gene Wilder.



A truly talented man.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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