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They know something we don't

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Friday, January 31, 2014 12:35 PM

BYTEMITE


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547684/TWO-senior-American-ba
nkers-working-London-commit-suicide-just-two-days-one-jumped-500ft-death-JP-Morgan-skyscraper.html


There are others too, mid-level executives that committed suicide, also a run on gold.

http://www.ibtimes.com/suicide-among-bankers-appears-be-rise-again-pre
ssures-get-banks-businesses-back-black-takes-its-toll


Something is happening and it is not going to be good for us. We need to put aside politics for now and figure out what.

My guesses right now are some manner of power grab or a lead up to a war, possibly both as those tend to go hand-in-hand. Economic collapse could be the preliminary or a trigger. But I don't have any facts to support that conclusion. I say that only because barring no other information it is the worst case scenario and what we should plan for.

Thanks to Frem for spotting it first.

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Friday, January 31, 2014 1:08 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


There are all kinds of things going on in the background. One is that the Deutsche Bundesbank has been demanding its gold from Fort Knox for several years now. They were allowed to "look but not touch" at some (but not all) of the rooms of gold a few years ago, and were promised delivery over time. But the latest delivery has been short, and late, and the Fed has basically told the Bundesbank to stuff it.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100382718

More gold has been traded on the Comex in one day than is produced by gold mines in an entire year. The story "Whose pig is it?" is being told, as many people have been promised that pig in a sty, and it all works until everyone wants to take physical delivery. Both China and Russia (Russia itself a major source of gold) have been purchasing gold- and taking delivery- like crazy. If there is a conspiracy going on, it is a conspiracy to break the USD as a the reserve currency.

Also, it's been widely recognized that most western banks are floating on a sea of cheap paper, something the libertarians and gold-bugs have been agonizing over since people started grousing about "fiat money". Curiously, I believe there is a currency way going on, but the war is not on "Whose currency is worth more?" but "Whose currency is worth LEAST?".

Thanks for the info.


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Friday, January 31, 2014 1:54 PM

BYTEMITE


This is very insightful, thanks. I think I have a few pieces of the puzzle, when before I had none.

I am not yet able to rule out my worst case scenario.

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Friday, January 31, 2014 8:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Starting to look like a deliberate effort to tank the US Dollar prior to the whole Hunger Games aka Olympics, which I personally couldn't give a shit about given their complete lack of anything even remotely resembling integrity, but I worry that the powers involved in the effort might have drastically overestimated US financial stability because of the convoluted chicanery concealing how rickety it really is right now.

While unlikely given how easy Banksters are let off, there seems some possibility of investigation/fraud charges here, as the public swiftly runs out of patience with this crap, but more frightening is international attention - wasn't that long ago China actually hung a Citibank exec for funny business, and some portion of em got kicked out of Japan for financial fuckery, which is actually pretty impressive given how lenient most of their laws are in regard to it.

Thing about selling "Paper Gold" you don't actually have product to back up, it's like a pyramid scheme really, cause sooner or later folks will start calling in their markers, which'll start a rush, which'll bring the realizations and retributions... and potentially expose the fact that the FDIC doesn't have even a tenth of a percent of the resources needed to actually back up any of their claims and it'll be the FSLIC all over again, with the big players getting all their money back and the peons getting robbed, as usual.

That was a lesson I only ever needed to learn once - but as pointed out mere metal won't put food on your table, so a lot of my "deepstock" investment is in things that will have value no-matter-what.

I worry about destabilizing the dollar though, especially given how it could also potentially amplify tensions along existing social fractures such as by income level, or sanity versus fundamentalism, yadda yadda.

Admittedly though, my first thought upon hearing of this was "Yeah, jump you fuckers!" - once echoed by my ancestors back in the 1920's with about as much fervor.

-F

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Friday, January 31, 2014 10:03 PM

BYTEMITE


I was wondering if the Olympics were part of it because of the timing of all this, an attack would be an opportunity for some false flag shenans.

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Friday, January 31, 2014 10:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I was wondering if the Olympics were part of it because of the timing of all this, an attack would be an opportunity for some false flag shenans.



Remember when the Pentagon floated the idea of trading in terrorism futures ?

At the time, it seemed so bizarre, so out of left field, that it was just loony.

I'm guessing some of the 'players' are in motion.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Friday, January 31, 2014 10:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, Signy, Byte and Frem - which items do you see -

China and Russia are buying lots of gold to remove any gold support that might exist under the USD? Or is there some other intended endpoint to the sudden demand for gold? And once the USD is broken internationally, it will no longer be the official medium of exchange for oil? And once that happens the US will no longer be able to buy goods on the int'l market for colored pieces of paper and digital bits? And that will destroy the final US presence in the int'l economy as the world's biggest consumer (and debtor)? And then what --- the only value left is that the physical US goes up for sale to foreign buyers for pennies on the dollar?

I'm just trying to figure out the mechanics.


Hey - THANKS! GWB for borrowing trillions from the Chinese, reversing the government's surplus to a deficit, and tanking the economy! and THANKS! Obama for being a spineless toy of the wealthy! GOOD JOB TO YOU BOTH!

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Friday, January 31, 2014 10:34 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




( and there never WAS a surplus, you big dummy )

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Friday, January 31, 2014 10:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



The Bill of Rights in the National Archives

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!
As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies



And this is Geezer being non-partisan ... HAHAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
Dem Super Pac slams Obamacare because it really sucks and will cause herpes
Geezer
So some Democrats are running on pointing out that the Healthcare.gov rollout was an unmitigated disaster

I feel so vindicated.

"Just glad that some Democrats are acknowledging the bad job done in developing Healthcare.com." "it'll be interesting to see if these same Democrats acknowledge" "these Democrats seem to understand what the real Obama Kool-Ade drinkers still won't address" " it's about Democrats using criticism of the rollout in their campaign ads".



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Friday, January 31, 2014 11:43 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Could the Cyber attacks on Target, and now Yahoo, also be a part of the grand scheme of things to come. I'm just saying that the timing seems a bit curious with the other goings on.

Anyway you put it we need to come together for our very survival. Here we are, all caught up in RED, Blue and Purple states and the country is being set up for failure, nay collapse, if I'm reading the tea leaves right. Also too, the greedy attempt by the upper echelon to "corner" the market and widening the gap. The economic divide may also be a smoke screen.

All these folks taking their money and investing it overseas may also be preparing for what's coming. It may well be that those blokes that "jumped" did so for a specific reason - perhaps they knew too much and were given assistance in their plunge. Whatever the case, it doesn't bode well for us peons.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Starting to look like a deliberate effort to tank the US Dollar prior to the whole Hunger Games aka Olympics, which I personally couldn't give a shit about given their complete lack of anything even remotely resembling integrity, but I worry that the powers involved in the effort might have drastically overestimated US financial stability because of the convoluted chicanery concealing how rickety it really is right now.

While unlikely given how easy Banksters are let off, there seems some possibility of investigation/fraud charges here, as the public swiftly runs out of patience with this crap, but more frightening is international attention - wasn't that long ago China actually hung a Citibank exec for funny business, and some portion of em got kicked out of Japan for financial fuckery, which is actually pretty impressive given how lenient most of their laws are in regard to it.

Thing about selling "Paper Gold" you don't actually have product to back up, it's like a pyramid scheme really, cause sooner or later folks will start calling in their markers, which'll start a rush, which'll bring the realizations and retributions... and potentially expose the fact that the FDIC doesn't have even a tenth of a percent of the resources needed to actually back up any of their claims and it'll be the FSLIC all over again, with the big players getting all their money back and the peons getting robbed, as usual.

That was a lesson I only ever needed to learn once - but as pointed out mere metal won't put food on your table, so a lot of my "deepstock" investment is in things that will have value no-matter-what.

I worry about destabilizing the dollar though, especially given how it could also potentially amplify tensions along existing social fractures such as by income level, or sanity versus fundamentalism, yadda yadda.

Admittedly though, my first thought upon hearing of this was "Yeah, jump you fuckers!" - once echoed by my ancestors back in the 1920's with about as much fervor.

-F


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Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:14 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Could the Cyber attacks on Target, and now Yahoo, also be a part of the grand scheme of things to come."

Not sure. There was a not very publicized but VERY LARGE ddos attack against major banks about a year and a half ago. There was so much traffic directed at the servers, there was some thought that it may have been a smokescreen for malicious code being inserted behind the firewalls. That was a major attack but the timing of that doesn't seem to be related to anything else. Relating one attack to another is difficult.

However, the reason why our banks, major corporations and other entities - and so us and our economy - are vulnerable is b/c they run on u-soft. And the reason the US government doesn't get on their case and demand they harden their systems is b/c the NSA really likes u-soft.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/27/technology/bank-cyberattacks/
Major banks hit with biggest cyberattacks in history
http://www.bankinfosecurity.com/top-banks-offer-new-ddos-details-a-566
7/op-1

... in recent regulatory statements, the nation's largest banks are candid about DDoS attacks and their impact.
In their annual 10-K earnings reports, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, seven of the nation's top 10 financial services institutions provide new details about the DDoS attacks they suffered in 2012.

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Saturday, February 1, 2014 3:00 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Kiki, I'd say some portion of it is almost certainly aimed at cracking the petro-dollar, and I wouldn't count on the house of Saud to aid us this time around as they figure they've prettymuch milked us dry and are looking for other suckers...

As for the cyber aspect, some of it may be retaliation for our own, but I am given to wonder if perhaps our so-called-protectors are not once again, trying to drum up reasons for their own existence, since the public finds their manufactured "terror plots" no longer credible.

Not a lot of evidence to work with, but a definite scent of fishy business in the air, aye.

-F

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Saturday, February 1, 2014 3:34 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Yanno Frem

There's a lot of smart people here (with some notable exceptions of course). I bet if we put our minds to it and worked through this together, we all could crack this thing in short order.

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Saturday, February 1, 2014 3:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


KIKI, it's complicated. I've tried figuring this financial/ economic thing out for years- decades- and every time I think I have a handle on it, a new wrinkle develops.

The USD petrodollar will tank; it's being driven down by China and Russia. China is working hard to "de-Americanize" the world, and they quite correctly see that the linchpin in the almighty American dollar. They're trying to spread the yuan (renminbi) thru the world very quickly; altho they make up a small percent of the world's currency exchange, they've managed to double their portion in two years.

In addition, there is a nascent currency war going on. It's really a trade war in disguise, what a trade war looks like in the realm of "free trade" when tariffs can't be imposed. In those circumstances, you drive your currency down which gives you an export advantage.

Once the USD is no longer the world's reserve currency, we'll be in the scrum with everyone else for commodities. It's not that we lack resources, but the transnationals located in our country will be busy exporting whatever they can to the highest bidder, which may not be us. Expect the price of everything to go up.


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Saturday, February 1, 2014 12:27 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Expect the price of everything to go up.


Just not gold, b/c its current price is caused by an artificial heavy demand.

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Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:04 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Actually, according to the gold bugs the price of gold is being manipulated to be low. That's why all those sales... the banks are generating an artificial surplus of gold, even if they have to sell that same bar of gold to 1000 different people.

How Gold Price Is Manipulated During The "London Fix"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-25/how-gold-price-manipulated-du
ring-london-fix




The Hows and Whys of Gold Price Manipulation
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/01/17/hows-whys-gold-price-manipu
lation
/

To be honest, I don't see any reason why a bank would want to keep the price of gold low. If nations are surreptitiously trying to undercut the value of their own currency, wouldn't it be to their advantage to have the price of gold (in their currency) skyrocket?

Also, the Fed is reducing its purchase of bank assets. In other words, having bought a lot of junk mortgages and mortgage-backed products from the banks in exchange for cash, the Fed is now slowing down the money-printing machine. This will allow interest rates and the value of the USD to rise... the impacted nations (India, Brazil, Turkey, Indonesia, other emerging markets) who had their stock markets and currencies artificially raised because the USD was forced low, are now bearing the brunt of the change in Fed policy and seeing their stock markets and currencies sink like stones.

There was a foretaste of this at a Jackson Hole meeting in Aug when Bernanke said he would stop the money-printing machines and the emerging markets took a one-week hit. When they appealed to Christine Lagarde (IMF) to give them some consideration when the USA changes its economic policies, Lagard basically said "Well... ah... no"

I posted about this before in FFF but here is an article that should get you enough info to look into it yourself.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/25/usa-fed-idUSL2N0GQ0732013082
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There are an awful lot of moving parts in this equation. The USA is behaving like an 800-lb gorilla in a very small lifeboat. In the long run, it's just throwing these other economies into China's waiting arms.

Anyway, with all those moving parts, I'm still working on understanding it. I had an idea last night the needs developing. Maybe some crowdsourcing will help.

Much of predicting "what will happen next" depends on accurately reading what The Fed's real goals are. Is it to make the USA economy predominant in the world? To keep the dollar strong? To re-invigorate our manufacturing sector? To create durable economic alliances? To protect the American people?

Having looked at The Fed's actions, they have two outstanding goals

(1) KEEP BANKS FROM FAILING. What that meant was to provide the banks (not the people, the banks) with a gusher of cheap cheap cheap money in exchange for the toxic assets that the banks themselves had created.

(2) KEEP THE WEALTHY WEALTHY. Since there is a huge wad of money rolling around at the top of the food chain, the wealthy are of course desirous of not only hanging on to what they have, but also compounding their wealth. So there will be a pathway, for those in the know (that's not you and me) where it will be possible to exchange your dollars for stocks, then your stocks for dollars, and then your dollars for commodities (or real estate, or precious metals) and from there to other currencies.

(3) THIS DOESN'T MEAN YOU. We can drop all pretenses of the Fed, OR the government (yes, that means Obama and most Congressional Dems too) having any interest in YOU, John or Jane Q Public. So, if you want to hang on to whatever spare money that you have, the trick is to figure out which pathway takes your assets through the minefield. Of course, you have to figure this out without being in on those meetings in which all such things are decided.

If you want to SURVIVE the next few years, you should invest in a house with land and water, and off-grid solar capability, since I think everything will become expensive in five years or so. (BTW, there is a huge hidden inflation already going on, not shown by govt figures, but everything has already gotten more expensive relative to wages and package contents!)


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Sunday, February 2, 2014 7:17 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Got land, not a lot, but sufficient to grow crops for the few who'd remain, not that it'd be good eatin, but sustainable with other supplies till we're up and running at full capacity...
Got water, plenty of, provided a certain level of purification takes care of that, and as a bonus, fish, well, some of.

But the real bonus is power, given I will have electricity when no one else does, and plenty of it, starting with 1200 watts in mere hours, and culminating in 10,000 or more in a week or two as needed, which it will be cause heat is a priority and while the wood from clearing crop space will be useful, it's not renewable at the rate we'd be using it, no.

And any rightwingnut survival-of-the-strong predatory shithead who thinks those supplies an easy mark for their Randian parasitic model of survival, well, they'd be wrong, DEAD wrong, if you get what I mean....

-Frem

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Monday, February 3, 2014 10:38 AM

BYTEMITE


There's been another death.

http://rt.com/business/russell-investments-chief-economist-dead-564/

Something about the yield curve as a predictor for US recessions.

Yeah Sig, I think you are on to something. I think what they might be seeing is a economic global crisis beyond anything we've ever experienced before. Financial wizardry behind the US economic recovery was hiding dire straights in other economies, and now that we're winding down some of the economic recovery boost attempts those problematic economies may very well pull everyone down. Assuming there aren't also serious problems in the US economy as well that have been concealed, which there almost certainly are.


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Monday, February 3, 2014 11:51 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"To be honest, I don't see any reason why a bank would want to keep the price of gold low."

I think the answer is not 'a bank' but the US specifically, as in this paragraph:
The Fed’s policy of monetizing one trillion dollars of bonds annually put pressure on the US dollar, the value of which declined in terms of gold. When gold hit $1,900 per ounce in 2011, the Federal Reserve realized that $2,000 per ounce could have a psychological impact that would spread into the dollar’s exchange rate with other currencies, resulting in a run on the dollar as both foreign and domestic holders sold dollars to avoid the fall in value.


So The Fed propped up the banks with large amounts of free money, but all that extra currency was going to drop the USD TOO low and cause a run on the dollar. In order to keep printing money and shoveling money at the banks AND avoid an international run on the dollar, The Fed manipulated the price of gold to stay below the $2000 mark.

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Monday, February 3, 2014 6:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


2/3/2014

Dow Jones

15,372.80 Down -326.05 -2.08%


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, February 3, 2014 7:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So, the more I read, the more I concur with this: "They know something we don't".

But they are protected by the piles of money they've already made. Unless they think it'll all be taken away, however that might come about (and I can't begin to imagine a scenario short of government prosecution, invalidating global currencies wholesale, or global revolution - all equally unlikely). So they're not facing economic demise.

However, whatever it is they're seeing, their nervousness is making me nervous.

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Monday, February 3, 2014 7:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Unless bankers routinely suicide themselves at the rate of 4 in a week, why worry ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Monday, February 3, 2014 8:57 PM

ELVISCHRIST




4 a week would be a great start.

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Monday, February 3, 2014 9:00 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

So they're not facing economic demise.

Not economic but spiritual demise. If they can't win, then they lose. The game is all they have.

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Monday, February 3, 2014 9:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

The next day, January 27, Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, 51, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok. Police said he could have committed suicide



Exactly how is a " managing director of an motor company " considered a "banker" ?
Cops said he COULD have committed suicide. Or not. The story is kinda vague.




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Maybe it's all about The Fed turning off the money-spigot (just like the conservatives want)?

Not sure if you know about the "carry trade", but that is when you borrow low-interest money (like the dollar) and then plunk it into higher-interest currencies, sit back and watch the money roll in. Until interest rates and currency valuations suddenly change!

I found this, which I thought was interesting. About half of it I was already familiar with and had verified.

The Money World Is Losing Faith In The Illusion Of Control

Quote:

The rot moves from the margins to the center, but the disease moves from the center to the margins. That is what has happened in the realm of money in recent weeks due to the sustained mispricing of the cost of credit by central banks, led by the US Federal Reserve. Along the way, that outfit has managed to misprice just about everything else — stocks, houses, exotic securities, food commodities, precious metals, fine art. Oil is mispriced as well, on the low side, since oil production only gets more expensive and complex these days while it depends more on mispriced borrowed money. That situation will be corrected by scarcity, as oil companies discover that real capital is unavailable. And then the oil will become scarce. The “capital” circulating around the globe now is a squishy, gelatinous substance called “liquidity.” All it does is gum up markets. But eventually things do get unstuck.

Meanwhile, the rot of epic mispricing expresses itself in collapsing currencies and the economies they are supposed to represent: India, Turkey, Argentina, Hungary so far. Italy, Spain, and Greece would be in that club if they had currencies of their own. For now, they just do without driving their cars and burn furniture to stay warm this winter. Automobile use in Italy is back to 1970s levels of annual miles-driven. That’s quite a drop.

Before too long, the people will be out in the streets engaging with the riot police, as in Ukraine. This is long overdue, of course, and probably cannot be explained rationally since extreme changes in public sentiment are subject to murmurations, the same unseen forces that direct flocks of birds and schools of fish that all at once suddenly turn in a new direction without any detectable communication.

Who can otherwise explain the amazing placidity of the sore beset American public, beyond the standard trope about bread, circuses, and superbowls? Last night they were insulted with TV commercials hawking Maserati cars. Behold, you miserable nation of overfed SNAP card swipers, the fruits of wealth and celebrity! Savor your unworthiness while you await the imminent spectacles of the Sochi Olympics and Oscar Night! Things at the margins may yet interrupt the trance at the center. My guess is that true wickedness brews unseen in the hidden, unregulated markets of currency and interest rate swaps.

The big banks are so deep in this derivative ca-ca that eyeballs are turning brown in the upper level executive suites. Notable bankers are even jumping out of windows, hanging themselves in back rooms, and blowing their brains out in roadside ditches. Is it not strange that there are no reports on the contents of their suicide notes, if they troubled to leave one? (And is it not unlikely that they would all exit the scene without a word of explanation?) One of these, William Broeksmit, a risk manager for Deutsche Bank, was reportedly engaged in “unwinding positions” for that that outfit, which holds over $70 trillion in swap paper. For scale, compare that number with Germany’s gross domestic product of about $3.4 trillion and you could get a glimmer of the mischief in motion out there. Did poor Mr. Broeksmit despair of his task?

Physicist Stephen Hawking declared last week that black holes are not exactly what people thought they were. Stuff does leak back out of them. This will soon be proven in the unwinding derivatives trades when most of the putative wealth associated with swaps and such disappears across the event horizon of bad faith, and little dribbles of their prior existence leak back out in bankruptcy proceedings and political upheaval.

The event horizon of bad faith is the exact point where the credulous folk of this modern age, from high to low, discover that their central banks only pretend to be regulating agencies, that they ride a juggernaut of which nobody is really in control. The illusion of control has been the governing myth since the Lehman moment in 2008. We needed desperately to believe that the authorities had our backs. They don’t even have their own fronts.

Is the money world at that threshold right now? One thing seems clear: nobody is able to turn back the plummeting currencies. They go where they will and their failures must be infectious as the greater engine of world trade seizes up. Who will write the letters of credit that make international commerce possible? Who will trust whom? When do people seriously start to starve and reach for the pitchforks? When does the action move from Kiev to London, New York, Frankfurt, and Paris?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-03/money-world-losing-faith-illu
sion-control




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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:46 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


hmmmm ...It cuts a picture of global finances on the cusp of an abyss.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 6:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe it's all about The Fed turning off the money-spigot (just like the conservatives want)?



Yep. That's EXACTLY what conservatives want.

Of course, had Obama spent time trying to actually GROW the economy, instead of doling out free goodies to the dumb masses via his USA credit card, the dollar might be WORTH something too. And then we'd not have to be flooding the world w/ the $ spigot.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 6:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
hmmmm ...It cuts a picture of global finances on the cusp of an abyss.



Gee, really?




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Maybe it's all about The Fed turning off the money-spigot (just like the conservatives want)?- signy

Yep. That's EXACTLY what conservatives want.-rappy

Okie dokie! We'll remember that!



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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:19 AM

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America loves a winner!


Selective reading - 101

Siggy excels

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Rappy, you've been grousing about the money spigot since it got turned on. It's fair to say that conservatives in general, and you specifically, wanted it turned off years ago (except maybe for the bank bailouts; it was never really very clear how you felt about that $3-17 trillion dollars). So I don't think this is "selective reading", I think it's a fair summary of what you've wanted all along, and STILL want. If not, feel free to correct the statement with a clarification about what policy you would like implemented at this very moment. Don't just grumble into your coffee cup about how unfair I am because I quoted you! Sheesh, it makes it sound like you don't want the responsibility for saying what you just said, or something!


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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 10:04 AM

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invalidating global currencies wholesale


1kiki, when I say that we could be seeing the precursor signs of global economic collapse, what about that says to you that any currencies will remain valid at all?

Yes, I think the bankers and everyone may be about to lose a shit ton of money, because the illusion might be about to burst. And some of the bankers who are starting to see through it clearly can't handle the reality.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 10:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


IF banks have made big bets on the money spigot, and Bernanke's timing caught some by surprise (Wow, he did that NOW??? I haven't had time to unwind our $70 trillion commitments!) then some banks will certainly be undercapitalized.




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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 12:44 PM

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America loves a winner!


Siggy - I don't drink coffee, but you DO selectively read, edit my comments so they fit YOUR narrative, and not mine.

No grumble here, just factin'.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Friday, February 28, 2014 2:21 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Looks like they're betting on, and profiting, from this, which is only expected from such immoral curs.

JPMorgan Bets on Death As Wall Street Suicides Jump Up.
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/jp-morgan-bets-on-death-as-w
all-street-suicides-jump-up


S'funny how the lower-mid level suicides barely make the news if at all, as if they weren't even people, as if they didn't matter...

As to why some might choose suicide - well, SOME things money and prestige can protect you from, and some things, they can NOT.
They don't fear prosecution, which if it amounts to anything at all is mostly a slap on the wrist, maybe a little while in Club Fed for the most extreme abuses, hell they don't even fear being sunk financially cause all these fuckers are "in it to win it" and will bail each other out, sometimes even to the point of carrying one of them so that they can claim to 'have no personal assets' and thus nothing to take in recompense for their crimes.

No, what they FEAR, is the kinda comeuppance which happens when you cross the rubicon of tolerance and folks lose faith in processes long since corrupted...
Quote:

"Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."
-George H.W. Bush




No, they don't fear peaceful protesters with signs who begged permission *disgusted spit* beforehand and just walk merrily into traps - they fear angry mobs with a name, address and a grudge.
And yanno, maybe they SHOULD.

-Frem

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