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Dollhouse 2.04: Belonging - Sierra is forced to face her past. Post comments here.

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Friday, October 23, 2009 4:50 PM

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After a very brief break, Dollhouse returns with "Belonging," where we explore Sierra's past with the Rossum Corporation.

It's interesting to note that this episode was directed by Johnathan Frakes. If you aren't geeked out enough, he was Number One (William T. Riker) on ST:TNG. The episode also guest stars Clyde Kusatsu, who was also on ST:TNG as Vice Admiral Nakamura. So, that's the Dollhouse Trek triva for the week.

The episode was written by Maurissa Tancharoen and Jed Whedon.

Post your comments about the episode here.









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Friday, October 23, 2009 4:59 PM

FIVVER


Did you see the preview for when Dollhouse comes back in December? It will be a 2 hour special featuring

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Summer Glau!


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Friday, October 23, 2009 5:07 PM

CELLARDOOR


Ok, if Dollhouse skeptics are willing to give the show one more chance.... well, ok, two more chances... let it be this episode and the upcoming Summer Glau event.

I'm floored by the greatness and power of this episode. By the way, no Ballard and minimal Echo... hm. The acting, writing, directing (Jonathan Frakes!!!) were at the top of their game, and I can't wait until this comes out on Hulu so I cna watch it again to catch more of what I missed on the first showing.

The only meh part about it was the slight speed with which Adelle and Topher developed a sense of conscience to the degree we see, but I realize Joss is doing what he can to advance the story with the limited episodes he may have remaining.

If you like, do check this episode out. I don't think many of you would regret it.

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Friday, October 23, 2009 5:52 PM

BYTEMITE


I have to disagree with you on Adelle and Topher, it's been pretty obvious to me from the beginning that their amorality was actually being exaggerated, and that they're actually better people than they were being depicted. It was the most likely character arc and development for both.

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Friday, October 23, 2009 6:38 PM

CELLARDOOR


Oh, I agree that it's been developing, it was just a sudden leap forward tonight. Though, given the circumstances in the narrative, I would hope that's to be expected. :) Building from the episode where Saunders left, Topher's been much more pensive about what's actually going on. Good stuff! :)

It's kind of weird though when the characters themselves exaggerate their amorality, like in Adelle's little dramatic speech at Topher. And contrary to what Boyd (?) said, I don't think this is actually the first moral dilemma Topher has faced... it's just that Topher was more central to deciding what to do about said dilemma this time. Or something. Yeah, I need to go watch it again. :)

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Friday, October 23, 2009 7:33 PM

ROCKETJOCK


The thing is, there's morals, and then there's ethics. Morality is concerned with what is right or wrong for society/mankind as a whole. Ethics are more concerned with personal standards -- "This is where I stand, this far and no further."

A person can be extremely amoral, and still have a sense of ethics. Consider the contract killer that

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Echo was imprinted with

in the unaired pilot. She had no qualms about

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killing Ballard,

but had the professional ethics to insist on finishing the job.

Adele DeWitt considers herself morally compromised, but until this episode felt she was still behaving in accord with her professional ethics. Topher Brink has fancied himself amoral, but now has to face the fact that he actually has a moral core that is disgusted with what he has become. And Boyd Langton is a man who is both moral and ethical, trying to come to grips with the coming storm, and his role in it.

Deep stuff for American prime time TV. And the flash-forwarding of Epitaph One makes the pressure system building even more fraught.

I said last season that Joss & company seemed to be "writing for the box set", and Epitaph One, I think, proved me right. It was beautifully designed to be a capstone if the series was canceled, or foreshadowing if it was renewed.

Now my question is, how is he going to seal this season up? "Epitaph Two", perhaps?

"Fox forgot to cancel my show... Very awkward. They looked and said, 'Oh, this is our bad. We forgot to cancel your show. You're going to have to make more." -- Joss Whedon

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Friday, October 23, 2009 8:38 PM

STOWEAWAY


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Originally posted by CellarDoor:
By the way, no Ballard and minimal Echo... hm.



Yeah, Dichen Lachman and Fran Kranz were both amazing.

I was a little shocked with how...methodical(?)... Boyd was. Chilling - and gross.

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Friday, October 23, 2009 10:56 PM

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Good show.

Bad guy from Romy & Michelle's Desperate Reunion?

Hell to pay?

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:41 AM

GWEK


I agree with most of Cellardoor's assessment.

A very good episode overall, probably the best one of the sesason and in the top three or four for the show (although still not up to par with most episodes of FIREFLY).

Unfortunately, I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the episodes feature very little Echo. She's actually the least interesting of the dolls, and Eliza--don't get me wrong, I love her for what she does well, but what she does well does not include being the heart and soul of a show. Increasingly, I wonder if Joss has developed this on his own rather than FOR Eliza, what might have been...

The A-story with Sierra/Priya is definitely interesting, and it seems quite clear that the writers are assuming that after 13 episodes, they're done, hence the accelerated pace of both the growing morality of Adele and Topher AND Boyd's complete betrayal of Adele and the Dollhouse.

I thought it was interesting that BOTH story arcs involved Boyd keeping secrets from his employers. (I'm also intrigued by Adele's unsurprising comment that all Dollhouse employees are morally compromised. What was it that compromised Boyd?)

Although I accept Topher and Adele's quick moral turnaround as a consequence of the writers being under the gun to develop things to a certain point before lack of renewal, I felt that both could have been handled a little better.

For example, with Adele, we've seen her be defensive of the dolls and her house before, and I would have bought her reactions a little more easily if they'd focussed on that aspect (someone coming in and trying to take something from HER kingdom, someone under HER protection) rather than her appearing to be suddenly shocked and offended by a morally questionable decision of the company's.

Similarly, if Topher had sort of cast his moral decision in the "Can I really make this work and get away with it? Am I really THAT smart?" vein, I think it would have been more in character. Still, they're really messing with Topher's morality and character this season (the relationship with November, wanting to do the right thing with the serial killer dude), that where he'll land in any given episode is a crapshoot.

All in all, a good episode. If they keep up like this, I'll just be starting to really fall in love with the show when they take if off the air. :(





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Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:27 AM

KHAMBILO


I throughly enjoyed this episode. It's definitely the best of the season and one of the best of the series thus far. The interplay between Victor and Sierra was beautifully done. I like how their love story is being depicted with a sort of child-like innocence. It's very genuine which greatly contrasts the romantic engagements that the Dollhouse usually deals in.

When I initially saw the promo for this ep., I though it was solely going to be a sierra/victor centric episode. I was pleasantly surprised to find that it was also a Topher centric episode.

The episode is pushing the series in a good direction, and i can't wait for more!

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:57 AM

CELLARDOOR


I'm more and more intrigued by Boyd too. His mysterious phone call "Get me the Goose, I need someone disappeared," hints at how he was morally compromised (look at the connections he has, and the almost Dexter-like lack of being horrified by sawing up a mutilated corpse).

I've said elsewhere (as have others) that Boyd is like Shepherd Book in quite a few ways, and I hope he doesn't get the Book treatment by having no background explained before the show is canceled...!

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:49 AM

GWEK


Hopefully, we won't have to worry about being Book'd (or Inara'd for that matter). I think Whedon and Co. know that Season Three (or even the back nine) is not very likely, so we'll be getting a lot of background-y goodness as we go. Arguably, 2x04 was the start of some of that, in many, many ways.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 7:56 AM

ROCKETJOCK


Quote:

Originally posted by GWEK:
I think Whedon and Co. know that Season Three (or even the back nine) is not very likely. . .



Actually, with what I presume are four evenings of back-to-back episodes in December, eight of those back nine are guaranteed broadcast -- which leaves one left over for a closer/epilogue.

Joss is faced with the same dillema JMS had with Babylon 5's fourth season -- how do you wrap up a projected multi-season story arc early? In that instance, the storyteller did too good a job, which is why B5's fifth season is generally considered the weakest of the run.

Joss seems to have learned a lesson from JMS's experience though -- "Epitaph One" was wonderfully open-ended, and seems to be informing every episode this season, yet left large storytelling spaces to fill in the event of renewal. And we shouldn't count a third season out just yet; who'd have expected we'd get a second, after all? As a Larry Niven character once said, "We're looking at this the wrong way -- there are a thousand things that could go right!"

"You see someone running incredibly fast - The first thing you gotta ask is 'Are they running to something or are they running from something?' The answer is always both." -- Topher Brink

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:14 AM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by CellarDoor:
Ok, if Dollhouse skeptics are willing to give the show one more chance... I'm floored by the greatness and power of this episode.


Hehe, you'll get the extra chance from me. :) This was the first time, after a long time, that I was impressed again with a Dollhouse episode!

Now that I've reconciled myself with the recent realization that Eliza Dushku can't act (looks cover up a multitude of sins), the acting was all the more made up for by Sierra! She was her best, alright! Man, I actually enjoyed the show!

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The only meh part about it was the slight speed with which Adelle and Topher developed a sense of conscience to the degree we see, but I realize Joss is doing what he can to advance the story with the limited episodes he may have remaining.


I'd have to agree with Bytemite: they always had one. Adelle went into the business genuinely thinking she could help (and partially now, it seems, because of an as of yet unnamed indiscretion not involving Victor). And Topher's conscience was already made evident earlier, when it turned out he had programmed Dr. Saunders to hate him.

As for Jonathan Frakes, I usually go 'meh' about his Star Trek directing (a mite too moralizing); but the man delivered a top-notch performance today!


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Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:38 PM

GWEK


Quote:

Originally posted by RocketJock:
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Originally posted by GWEK:
I think Whedon and Co. know that Season Three (or even the back nine) is not very likely. . .



Actually, with what I presume are four evenings of back-to-back episodes in December, eight of those back nine are guaranteed broadcast -- which leaves one left over for a closer/epilogue.



I wasn't referring to the nine episodes that have not currently aired, but the nine episodes that have not currently been ordered.

A full season is (typically) 22 episodes. For an established show, the network will order a full season (all 22 episodes) when they renew. For a new show (or a show they're not confident in), they will often place an order of 13 episodes. If the show survives, they place an additional order for "the back nine", bringing it to a full season.

In this case, FOX has committed to 13 episodes for DOLLHOUSE and has stated that they will air them all (although given their track record, I won't believe it until they're aired).

What I meant as that the writers are likely approaching the 13 episodes as if they are the end of DOLLHOUSE. While anything can happen, it seems exceedingly unlikely that they will get renewed for Season Three, and almost as unlikely that FOX will give DOLLHOUSE the show of confidence of committing to an entire season (by ordering another 9 episodes).

As for what will or will not air in December, Miracle Laurie referred to "NEW back to back episodes for 3 weeks in December." That could mean 2 episodes "back to back" for three weeks (for a total of 6), or could be episodes on three "back to back" (or consecutive) weeks in December.

Either way, I'd say no more than 6 eps in December.

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Joss is faced with the same dillema JMS had with Babylon 5's fourth season -- how do you wrap up a projected multi-season story arc early? In that instance, the storyteller did too good a job, which is why B5's fifth season is generally considered the weakest of the run.
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Agreed. JMS spent all his best stuff on S4, leaving very little (unfortunately) for S5.

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Joss seems to have learned a lesson from JMS's experience though -- "Epitaph One" was wonderfully open-ended, and seems to be informing every episode this season, yet left large storytelling spaces to fill in the event of renewal. And we shouldn't count a third season out just yet; who'd have expected we'd get a second, after all? As a Larry Niven character once said, "We're looking at this the wrong way -- there are a thousand things that could go right!"


You're right that it may be too early to count DOLLHOUSE out just yet--stranger things have happened... like the renewal for a second season!

As I've indicated, though, FOX would generally place an order of 9 more episodes for Season Two before renewing for S3 (although there have certainly been cases where a series has gone right from 13 to a new season). There is CURRENTLY nothing to indicate that they have any intention to do so (or, indeed, to do anything other than "burn off" the rest of the 13 episodes they've committed to--which FOX execs have admitted their doing "to avoid a repeat of FIREFLY." Honestly, if this were any creator but Whedon (or maybe whoever did JERICHO), I have a feeling it might have been cancelled already.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:47 PM

BYTEMITE


Asarian made me think of another potential theme that Dollhouse may be exploring: maybe it's not just the dolls who are "waking up" so to speak, but also the staff? Perhaps they are just now beginning to see the consequences of their actions, of their "good intentions," and also just what humanity they've given up becoming part of the dollhouse.

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:51 AM

BRIGLAD


To put it simply.... I was amazed. While I am staunchly in favor of Dollhouse continuing, Some of the season 2 shows have been... Mehhh okay.

This weeks? Wowzers!!! Mr. Frakes can direct every episode Joss doesn't want to.

I felt Eliza's performances were a bit more... something last season.

I refuse to pass judgment until they all show.

Eagerly awaiting December!!!!


Bri


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Monday, October 26, 2009 5:22 AM

ZEEK


I liked the episode, but I just couldn't make it fit with the rest of the show we've seen so far. For starters it looks like the retconned Sierra. Her initial visit to the dollhouse looked much different this time than it did in season 1. Heck she looked totally different.

Then there's Topher and Adelle. They both seemed way out of character. Since when does Adelle care about her dolls being raped? It's somehow different because they were tricked into accepting Priya?

The only thing I'd expect either of them to oppose is a permanent engagement. That goes against the contracts of the dolls and these two seem to play by the rules.

What exactly was Topher so broken up about at the end of the episode? The murder? If he was so opposed to this guy why is a self defense murder a big deal to him? Sierra being a doll? They didn't have to bring her back. Just send her off on some trip never to return again like the story they made up for scumbag.

I'm a stickler for continuity and this episode just got on my nerves a bit too much.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 6:07 AM

BYTEMITE


Hmm. Just because Adelle says that Topher has no morals and has always "seen everyone as a toy," I've never gotten the same vibe from Topher that I got from the rich momma's boy sociopath earlier this season. He doesn't strike me as a murderer.

He messes with people, assuming Adelle's assessment is accurate, and so far she seems to be a spot-on judge of character (she nailed Ballard's obsession with Echo, I think). But that doesn't mean that seeing someone killed in a particularly grisly manner, and then having to dispose of the corpse in an equally gruesome way wouldn't affect him.

One thing that was a little lame, though, that blurry "I just wanted to help her" that opened the episode... No point. We could tell it was Topher, it was his voice. Story and tension wise, that would have been better to leave out.

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Monday, October 26, 2009 7:05 PM

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The interplay between Victor and Sierra was beautifully done. I like how their love story is being depicted with a sort of child-like innocence. It's very genuine which greatly contrasts the romantic engagements that the Dollhouse usually deals in.


Their story has always been one of the things I like about Dollhouse. When they curled up in the sleeping pod together like kittens, I had my first genuine "I love this show" moment. I had high hopes and high expectations, and I've had the "I like this show, it's good" moments, but I hadn't yet ended an episode thinking I loved it. I think it took about that long for Buffy to hit my heart that way, too. I hope it stays this good. Before it's gone

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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:19 AM

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I agree with most of whats been said, I justlove how the 'dolls' are off and running,...they now know something and Echo knows the most. I see a revolt from the inside along with the 'outside' attacking at the same time..
JMHO---I did not see the 13th episode, want to wait. I could be wrong....

awesome episode!


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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:37 AM

ASARIAN


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Since when does Adelle care about her dolls being raped?


Adelle has always cared about her Dolls being raped. Have you forgotten "Man on the Street"? Sierra's bad-man handler is repeatedly raping her, and Adelle, when she finds out, not only puts an abrupt stop to it, but also informs the other Houses, sending the message that this sort of abuse is absolutely not tolerated. Oh yeah, and then she has the guy killed.

Adelle seems to have a strange kind of conscience: she pimps out her Dolls with no quams, yet is outraged when a handler rapes them. It really only 'seems' strange, though, as I'd say this is normal human behavior. The bad guy is rarely a drooling madman (Highlander). Instead, they are often people who do bad things, yet like to believe they have a working set of morals (Badger's "Man of honor in a den of thieves." leaps to mind). Adelle does objectionable things, yet does not see herself as evil. Denial is not just a river. :)

Whatever rationalizations plague Adelle, she DOES care about her Dolls getting raped. She is, in this respect, really no different that any other whore Madam: exploiting her girls to the max, yet also being protective of them--some of the latter is self-serving (dead/beaten up whores are bad for business), but part of Adelle's protective disposition towards her Dolls is genuine.


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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:14 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by asarian:
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Since when does Adelle care about her dolls being raped?


Adelle has always cared about her Dolls being raped. Have you forgotten "Man on the Street"? Sierra's bad-man handler is repeatedly raping her, and Adelle, when she finds out, not only puts an abrupt stop to it, but also informs the other Houses, sending the message that this sort of abuse is absolutely not tolerated. Oh yeah, and then she has the guy killed.

Adelle seems to have a strange kind of conscience: she pimps out her Dolls with no quams, yet is outraged when a handler rapes them. It really only 'seems' strange, though, as I'd say this is normal human behavior. The bad guy is rarely a drooling madman (Highlander). Instead, they are often people who do bad things, yet like to believe they have a working set of morals (Badger's "Man of honor in a den of thieves." leaps to mind). Adelle does objectionable things, yet does not see herself as evil. Denial is not just a river. :)

Whatever rationalizations plague Adelle, she DOES care about her Dolls getting raped. She is, in this respect, really no different that any other whore Madam: exploiting her girls to the max, yet also being protective of them--some of the latter is self-serving (dead/beaten up whores are bad for business), but part of Adelle's protective disposition towards her Dolls is genuine.


Apparently she has a different definition of rape though. She sends all the dolls out on romantic engagements all the time. If that's not rape then why is what the client did rape? She has done the exact same thing with Victor that the client did.

I'd guess that she was upset with the handler because Sierra was not in the correct state of mind when the handler raped her. If she had been imprinted to enjoy it then would she consider it rape? I doubt it.

So, again she's inconsistent when she calls their client a rapist. They need to watch their continuity IMO.

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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:36 PM

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If that's not rape then why is what the client did rape?


You don't pay attention very well. He had known Sierra before she was in the dollhouse, he had kidnapped and drugged her expressly for the purpose of having her admitted into the dollhouse so that he could hire her for sexual engagements after the woman herself had refused his advances. Since they do, in fact, retain some consciousness, Sierra remembered him on some level and was unhappy and stressed by the encounters. The woman at the core of the programming detested this man, on a personal level, and never could have wanted him. Echo said he wasn't like the others, that he made Sierra suffer. Clients who wanted to abuse a doll in the bedroom were refused (though clients who wanted a spanking themselves were welcome to it) and other such precautions were taken to ensure safety as much as possible. I think the comparison of Adelle to a Madam is apt, though the ground she stands on is shakier because she has to make the call on her own, without much input from her charges. Not that I would defend the dollhouse, but Adelle certainly draws some lines and tries to be ethical as much as she can. She used Vincent in her fantasy fulfillment, but he wasn't someone she had known, been rejected by, threatened to rape, contrived to have locked in her dollhouse, and then hired, etc etc etc. There's a lot of nuance and shades of gray here, which you would do well to notice more.

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Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
If that's not rape then why is what the client did rape?


You don't pay attention very well. He had known Sierra before she was in the dollhouse, he had kidnapped and drugged her expressly for the purpose of having her admitted into the dollhouse so that he could hire her for sexual engagements after the woman herself had refused his advances. Since they do, in fact, retain some consciousness, Sierra remembered him on some level and was unhappy and stressed by the encounters. The woman at the core of the programming detested this man, on a personal level, and never could have wanted him. Echo said he wasn't like the others, that he made Sierra suffer. Clients who wanted to abuse a doll in the bedroom were refused (though clients who wanted a spanking themselves were welcome to it) and other such precautions were taken to ensure safety as much as possible. I think the comparison of Adelle to a Madam is apt, though the ground she stands on is shakier because she has to make the call on her own, without much input from her charges. Not that I would defend the dollhouse, but Adelle certainly draws some lines and tries to be ethical as much as she can. She used Vincent in her fantasy fulfillment, but he wasn't someone she had known, been rejected by, threatened to rape, contrived to have locked in her dollhouse, and then hired, etc etc etc. There's a lot of nuance and shades of gray here, which you would do well to notice more.


If it's a shade of gray why did she flip out and go all black and white on him? She wasn't slightly offended by what he did she was down right pissed.

Trust me, I watched the episode. I also watched the previous episodes. To me Adelle was out of character.

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Thursday, November 5, 2009 6:58 AM

RIVERDANCER


I never said you hadn't watched the episode or any previous episode, I said you could maybe benefit from paying more attention. Case in point, you apparently didn't pay much attention to what I said.

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Thursday, November 5, 2009 10:12 AM

DEWRASTLER


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
Quote:

Originally posted by RiverDancer:
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Originally posted by Zeek:
If that's not rape then why is what the client did rape?


You don't pay attention very well. He had known Sierra before she was in the dollhouse, he had kidnapped and drugged her expressly for the purpose of having her admitted into the dollhouse so that he could hire her for sexual engagements after the woman herself had refused his advances. Since they do, in fact, retain some consciousness, Sierra remembered him on some level and was unhappy and stressed by the encounters. The woman at the core of the programming detested this man, on a personal level, and never could have wanted him. Echo said he wasn't like the others, that he made Sierra suffer. Clients who wanted to abuse a doll in the bedroom were refused (though clients who wanted a spanking themselves were welcome to it) and other such precautions were taken to ensure safety as much as possible. I think the comparison of Adelle to a Madam is apt, though the ground she stands on is shakier because she has to make the call on her own, without much input from her charges. Not that I would defend the dollhouse, but Adelle certainly draws some lines and tries to be ethical as much as she can. She used Vincent in her fantasy fulfillment, but he wasn't someone she had known, been rejected by, threatened to rape, contrived to have locked in her dollhouse, and then hired, etc etc etc. There's a lot of nuance and shades of gray here, which you would do well to notice more.


If it's a shade of gray why did she flip out and go all black and white on him? She wasn't slightly offended by what he did she was down right pissed.

Trust me, I watched the episode. I also watched the previous episodes. To me Adelle was out of character.



Adelle was upset because she believes that all her Dolls are there of their own free will, and therefore in her mind they consent to whatever is done to them over the five year span (I'm not saying this is right, just the way Adelle sees it). When she finds out Priya was essentially forced into the situation, that it was not her choice (again, she's assuming that the crazy person agreed to being 'helped'), then she was thoroughly pissed. She thought she was doing a good thing, turns out she was aiding a man into forcing sexual encounters with a woman who had rejected him. In Adelle's mind, that is rape, whereas the actions of Dolls are not.

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Friday, May 13, 2011 3:04 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This episode ends the suspension of disbelief for me. I watched the eps all together from DVD, both seasons.
This thread makes me wonder if I wathced the same episode, until the last few posts before this one, around where Riverdancer makes her points. But I still can't fathom that this ep is acceptable.

Maybe you all got some info that I missed, so help me if I didn't get it.

How can they put Priya back in the Dollhouse?
They know now she was never contracted, her presence here is against her will, she is effectively still kidnapped, the corp should have no hold on her now that her rapist is dead, how can anybody do anything but give her back her life? Even if she had some reason to return to slavery, it would seem the contract should be mated with Victor's, so they both expire at the same time.
This seems dispicable.

I'd rather not hear spe ulation, but if you heard an adequate explanation in the dialogue, please fill me in. This ticks me off. Injustice of the highest magnitude, it seems to me.

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Friday, May 13, 2011 4:49 AM

ZEEK


I think this episode just clarifies that the company is evil. I mean originally I could sort of accept that if people willingly chose to sign up then it's not so bad. This episode makes the point that it isn't all done on the up and up.

Unfortunately I don't remember the details of Sierra being brought back into the Dollhouse. I thought it was something like killing that dude was a painful memory for her and she wanted the blissful ignorance of the Dollhouse. So, she went back willingly. Maybe.

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