GENERAL DISCUSSIONS

TERRIBLE NEWS! SERENITY DELAYED!

POSTED BY: GOJIRO
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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:20 PM

GOJIRO


This was just posted on Whedonesque.net by Joss:

Are you guys starting to hear that fanfare? Those distant drums? Are you slapping on your side-arms, pulling on your long brownish-colored coats and thumbing your crisp new bills in anticipation of the cinematic event of the year? Well, it's official: on April 22nd you, the true the blue the loyal, can step right up with the rest of America and WAIT FIVE MORE MONTHS.

Heh. See, sometimes studios shuffle around release dates...

Okay. Don't panic. right now you're panicking. you're thinking, "how could they do this to me?" But what you SHOULD be thinking is: "How could they do this to JOSS?". Seriously. That pity is mine and I want it back.

So what happened? Well, nothing terribly original. April got crowded with a lot of titles aimed at a similar demographic, and the studio decided September was a clearer corridor for the film to make the kind of impact it should. This isn't about a lack of confidence in the film -- in fact, they told me this before they even saw it. And now they have seen it, and unless they're way better liars than I'm used to, they dug it. Actually, they dug it pretty large, which is a good sign since there's not a single finished effect in the film. There's no reworking the end, no reshoots, no "does it have to be in space?". It's just a marketing issue. Now you'll get to watch lots of trailers in the summer. And hopefully, by the time it comes out, other people, people who ain't us, will get a whiff of what we're up to, and come along too.

I love this movie. I HATE waiting to show it too you. I felt pretty much the way I imagine you're feeling right now when they told me. But these guys know what they're doing, and they're trying to protect their investment, not bury it. So I gotta be a grown-up. The release date is September 30th. Hopefully it won't change again.

Spread the word. Keep the faith. And gleam the damn cube already.

-j.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:31 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Damn. Just... damn.

That just sucks.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:35 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Is it September yet?




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:36 PM

ZOID


gojiro:

Only 311 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds left until The BDM!

(zoid remembers to cut lengthwise, not crosswise when slashing his wrists)

God, I hope this is somebody's misbegotten idea of humorous...


Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Unlike Joss, I don't have to be grown up about this!
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't push the release date back on me." The Ballad of Serenity (sort of...)

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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:41 PM

GOJIRO


Quote:

Originally posted by zoid:
gojiro:

Only 311 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes, and 44 seconds left until The BDM!

(zoid remembers to cut lengthwise, not crosswise across his wrists)

God, I hope this is somebody's misbegotten idea of humorous...


Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Unlike Joss, I don't have to be grown up about this!
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't push the release date back on me." The Ballad of Serenity (sort of...)



Well, if it is a joke, it's not MY joke. It is posted here:

http://whedonesque.com/?comments=5406#42835

Judge for yourself. Personally, I HOPE it isn't true.



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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:45 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD


I hope this is just a goddamn November 22nd Fool's Day prank.

"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."

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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:46 PM

SUCCATASH


fuck

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Monday, November 22, 2004 6:51 PM

MANIACNUMBERONE


I got a whiff of what they're up to all right.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:01 PM

ZOID



gojiro crossposted JW's message, which launched a thousand aneurysms:
Quote:

... So what happened? Well, nothing terribly original. April got crowded with a lot of titles aimed at a similar demographic...

See?! This is why I never vote for candidates from the Demographic Party! Those guys are supposed to represent us, but they always just wind up screwing the working stiffs. It's downright un-demographic and anti-American!

Speaking of 'anti-American', I wonder if they're still planning on the original release dates for the rest of the world? If so, I'm off to the Netherlands (by tramp steamer) for the 5th of May premiere. Can I bring y'all back some tulips or other 'horticultural products'?


Dejectedly,

zoid

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:13 PM

BEATLE


I may be the only one who is gald about this. Not that I have to wait even longer, but that people are looking for a better release date that will hightlight this movie even more.
Did that make sense?
Anyways, I didn't like the original release date. I was hoping for a time when the movie could stand out on it's own and not compete with other large movie releases.
Not that I think Serenity could'nt stand on it's own against them, but I think it could help the movie more this way.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:16 PM

THEGREYJEDI


Damnit. Damnit, damnit, damnit. Now I have to wait on something else?!

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:28 PM

ZOID



TheGreyJedi wrote:
Quote:

Damnit. Damnit, damnit, damnit. Now I have to wait on something else?!

No... You have to wait longer for something you thought you were going to get sooner, after waiting for a long time.

Unless they change their minds again, in which case it will mean an even longer wait to get the movie, which we all were sure we'd get sooner rather than later... But... We were wrong... And stuff...

Okay, my head hurts now.


Chronologically,

zoid
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"Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me." The Ballad of Serenity

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:32 PM

KELLAINA


But... but... but...

sigh





If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:36 PM

TECHIECL


Okay, okay, I know we're all pissed off or dissapointed. But we gotta turn this to our advantage.

A five month more wait means-

More time to guerilla market Serenity.

More time to convert new fans.

More time to raise money for DVD Set Donations

More time to work on costume for us costumers / cosplayers.

...and all that boils down to a better chance we get those two "successful weekends" that are needed for Universal to green light two more Serenity movies.

So, spout that explitive and then regroup yourself. Cause us fans have work to do.




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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:49 PM

SENUFF


Quote:

Originally posted by Kellaina:
But... but... but...

sigh





If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"



I know, I know, I know... Oh that hurt.

"I got stabbed, right here..."

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:52 PM

WILLOWY


It's not Whedonesque.net, its Whedonesque.com. And yep, its the sad truth.

They have a special color for actual vips that visit the site. It was him and he brought the not so good.

Kind of him to deliver the news himself. But oh so sad for us Browncoats. :(

"Once, in flight school, I was laconic..."

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:55 PM

HLGEM


Arrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!

Ok moment of sheer frustration over, now back to converting more people and guerrila marketing. Let's make this the best damn September opening in history!!! Let's make them wish it had opened Memorial day Weekend.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 7:55 PM

TOMANTA


Well, that just sucks royally. I was really planning on seeing Serenity (for the 3rd of 4th time, of course) on Episode III's opening night. And seeing it with my brother when I went home after the spring semester, too :(.

BUT... September 30th is my birthday. Fun stuff.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

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Monday, November 22, 2004 8:01 PM

ROCKETJOCK


It's times like this that I really wish I knew how to curse in Chinese.

"Hermanos! The Devil has built a robot! Andale!" -- Numero Cinco

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Monday, November 22, 2004 8:14 PM

WILLOWY


Can I just say how I love you guys?

Shoving your disappointment aside, and rallying to gather ever more people to make our BDM the biggest genre film opening in history?

If anyone can do it, we can. And thanks for making me feel better. A bit better. And a bit is a lot right now.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 8:15 PM

HAUFEL


Quote:

Originally posted by RocketJock:
It's times like this that I really wish I knew how to curse in Chinese.



There are some choice selections here that seem to apply:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/reference.asp?r=831



"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Monday, November 22, 2004 8:22 PM

TOMANTA


Did a little research. Here's what IMDB has listed as being released in April (removing Serenity):

April 1st:
Surfing the Wake
Sin City
Stomp! Shout! Scream!
Tenacious D in: The Pick of Destiny
Weather Man, The
Big Ain't Bad (2002)

April 8th:
In Her Shoes
Unleashed
Dust to Glory
Man of the House

April 15th
Rumor Has It
Amityville Horror, The

April 17th:
Bright Leaves

April 22nd:
Walk the Line

April 29th:
Crash
House of Wax
Every Word Is True
XXX: State of the Union

April 30th:
Dead Man's Bluff

May 1st:
Disaster!

May 5th:
Miracle Mile

May 6th:
Kingdom of Heaven
Monster-in-Law
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The
===============

I only recognize a handful of titles. There's Sin City, but that's at the beginning of April and I'd consider it out of play by the 22nd. There's Amityville Horror (which I'm wondering why it is being released in April), but I don't see it as big competition for Serenity.

AFTER the 22nd, though, you have the sequal to XXX and the next week you have Hitchhiker's. Those are the two that Universal is afraid of. Demographics overlap, and both can be seen as having more recognition than Firefly. So Universal is afraid that Serenity won't have the staying power at the box office past the first week.

As much as I HATE to wait that much longer, I'm inclined to agree with the decision. I think it really needs at least one extra weekend without competition to get its foot in the door with word of mouth.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear

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Monday, November 22, 2004 8:53 PM

INSANESPIKE


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

First I watch my Chiefs lose another heartbreaker tonight to the Patriots, and now I log on and see this horrible news! What a night this has been.

"How drunk was I last night?"

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Monday, November 22, 2004 9:05 PM

SENUFF


Quote:


AFTER the 22nd, though, you have the sequal to XXX and the next week you have Hitchhiker's. Those are the two that Universal is afraid of. Demographics overlap, and both can be seen as having more recognition than Firefly. So Universal is afraid that Serenity won't have the staying power at the box office past the first week.

As much as I HATE to wait that much longer, I'm inclined to agree with the decision. I think it really needs at least one extra weekend without competition to get its foot in the door with word of mouth.

"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear



Tomanta,

Thanks for the reassurance. It's not so good that release date was delayed, but it would be worse if it was due to Universal not believing in Serenity.

What I mean to say, if they delayed it because they wanna give it the best chance, then it's OK. If they delayed it because they can't be bothered, then "I'm confused, I'm angry, and I'm armed".

I really hope you're right. You ARE right, right?

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Monday, November 22, 2004 9:07 PM

PURPLEBELLY


Anybody heard the release date for the screener?

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Monday, November 22, 2004 9:26 PM

11THHOUR


Oh jeeeeeeez...

Now I gotta change practically every FRIKKEN one of my guerilla marketing posters.

Ya know, I always had a bit of an uneasy feeling about actually using the April 2005 release date. Something in the back of my mind said the odds are one in a very small number that this date will stick. It is HOLLYWOOD after all... changing deadlines is business as usual...

Sheesh, I hope it'll be safe to at least still use year 2005...

*grumble grumble*

11th Hour

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Monday, November 22, 2004 9:30 PM

SENUFF


Quote:

Anybody heard the release date for the screener?


I've heard nothin. Sorry.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 10:00 PM

HARDY


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, that can't be true




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Monday, November 22, 2004 10:09 PM

FILMCRITIC3000


Wow

Oh well. We'll just have more time to promote the hell out of our BDM. Truth be told, I was worried that XXX: State Of The Union and the next Star Wars movie would come along and deposit our BDM underneath them both, and the media analysts would have a field day with the overbooked spring release schedule and take it out on Serenity (i.e. "Whedon's Firefly movie fails to soar"). So September 30th sounds good. According to Yahoo! Movies, it's a week after The Legend Of Zorro and Serenity will be opening up against Curious George. I'd rather there be no competition, but maybe Serenity can battle for a premium chunk of box-office gold. Onward, Browncoats!



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my teeth and sharpen my tongue." -- Dorothy Parker

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Monday, November 22, 2004 10:27 PM

FREDEP


WHAT!!!!???

This is a bad way to wake up

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Monday, November 22, 2004 10:33 PM

JRC


I had already set aside a couple of days vacation too.

Damn.

I'll be in my bunk...........crying.


Everyone dies alone.

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Monday, November 22, 2004 11:43 PM

DECKROID


KHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Monday, November 22, 2004 11:48 PM

YT

the movie is not the Series. Only the facts have been changed, to irritate the innocent; the names of the actors and characters remain the same


Quote:

Originally posted by gojiro:
This was just posted on Whedonesque.net by Joss:

the studio decided September was a clearer corridor for the film to make the kind of impact it should. This isn't about a lack of confidence in the film -- in fact, they told me this before they even saw it. And now they have seen it, and unless they're way better liars than I'm used to, they dug it. Actually, they dug it pretty large,

...snip...

The release date is September 30th. Hopefully it won't change again.



If they dug it pretty large, why don't they want to release it in summer? Isn't that supposed to be the prefered season for big damn movies with no pretensions toward prime-time oscars? And isn't this the official BDM? September is for niche films, not blockbusters. We're gonna see this film no matter when, or where, it's released. Universal needs more than just Firefly fans to justify $50Million to produce the BDM.

Now, they're planning to release it a month before the DVD release of the next Star Wars movie. In the month of September, I wouldn't be surprised if there is more advertising $money spent on the SWDVD than on the BDMTR.

Don't wanna throw down in April? Awright, it's their money, advertising too. But give us this summer.

And a Christmas 2005 DVD.

Keep the Shiny Side Up

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:09 AM

PSYCHICRIVER


GRRRRRRRRR!!!

No way! No, that's just tooo long! We can't wait that long, oh why!

Ah well, I guess that absence does make the heart grow fonder. I mean, who else isn't planning to go see this movie at least 3 times when it comes out!?!

I've seen the first 13 episodes of Firefly now and am saving the Season Finale, "Objects In Space", for tonight when I get home! I'm soooo excited, I've been told it's one of Joss' best works, and that there's a lot of River in there, my FAV character!!!

I can't wait!!! Ahh! I'll post my thoughts on it, and the Season as a whole later on.

Then I can watch all the special features I've been fighting to resist, and all the commentaries, and then I'm gonna re-watch the whole season again, then I'm lending it to my friend, so will have to struggle alone for at least a week. At least I'll have Buffy & Angel to keep me occupied.

But I'm so annoyed about the delayed movie!

Also, here's hoping that the movie will make TV bosses beg for A Firefly Season 2!!!

PsychicRiver

"Two by two, hands of blue."

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:05 AM

PHOEBE


Well, okay, putting aside all the shiny good sides of what you guys have been coming up with... I think I'm going to go back to bed and hope that when I wake up again, this will never have happened. The Serenity convention in April was geared around the Serenity release! Now what are they gonna do?!

*stalks sadly back to bed*

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:09 AM

GROUNDED


Quite honestly though, is anyone truly surprised? I know I'm not...

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:10 AM

MERCEDESTROY


Well darn it!

On the one hand, it means that I see "Serenity" with the Indiana Browncoats instead of the Florida Browncoats, which is a disappointment.

On the other hand, it means I get the movie for my 50th Birthday present and that is shiny as hell.

Plus I get more time to actually get a decent Browncoat outfit set up.

Patience is a virtue (I keep telling myself that).

Debs

If Justice is the dish, then I am your waitress

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:48 AM

DARKJESTER


"......" "........" "huh.....?"

damn!!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:22 AM

HEB


They may have to move around films but i bet that this is the change that is going to disappoint the largest number of people.

I don't see why we should spare our pity for Joss - he's already seen the movie!

Seriously though it must suck for Joss but it'll be good if it means it gets a bigger audience.

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complicated childhood
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I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:22 AM

AERONSTORM


Man! April 22nd is going to be my wedding date in 2006 ( and no, I didn't choose it because of Serenity - it's my parents' anniversary) Oh Well.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:23 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.




*Sighs* You know it is going to be a bad day when.......you wake up and find out your BDM has been pushed back 4 months!!!

Ah well, there is nothing to be done about it I suppose. The anticipation is killing me though.

Of course this now means it will be coming out the same month as Dragon Con and the Browncoat Ball. Hopefully without the BDM being released yet they will still be able to get the BDHs to come to Dragon Con.



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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:25 AM

JAPPAR2001


THIS IS BAD. I CALL A PETITION AT ONCE. I'm not convinced the firefly fanbase and keep this amazing enthusiasm up for another 5 months. I mean what is there to be a fan of if nothing new in being released. Comic con and the official website brought massive attention to firely, the dvds were have just finished being released in most countries. Whats going to keep us going? I seriously think we should all sign an offical fan petition. This is our movie. Joss maybe able to accept the new date but he also praised the original date. I don't agree with there business decisions. If there so confident about this film then why arn't other studios pulling out of releasing their films that week. They should take a stand. This is an act of insecurity of the studio. TYPICAL. This is bad news in many different ways.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:38 AM

UNCHARTEDOUTLAW


We gotta look at the positives in this one. More time to create converts and get the hype machine in full effect.

But dayum, I'll now be 29 when it comes out!

-Taylor

The Uncharted Outlaw!
"You can get a lot further with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word."
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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:39 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Another thought. Since the BDM is being pushed back to September, I suppose that means the novelization will be pushed back too.

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:53 AM

DOUBLESHINY


This sucks worse than sucking. I know there may be a lot of genre movies out at the same time, but why should it be Serenity to move? I reckon this movie is the one that everyone is waiting for, let the others move to September!

Movie Execs. Curse your sudden (but inevitable) betrayal!

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:10 AM

NERVOUSPETE



I'm convinced the fan base can, personally. Since I've arrived here I've been really impressed by the level of commitment shown by Firefly fans, one that has me all full fervour as well - and I usually dislike the status and geekery that comes with being a cheerleading fanboy or fangirl, but with Firefly I feel it's something truly special!

Personally I think that the new date will work better for the film, and that more people will be more likely to see it in that summer month. The media will be concentrating on Star Wars in April, but in September if Universal wisely markets it as an intelligent sci-fi romp, drawing critics attention to it, then I think that it will do well. And I know SFX in the UK will continue to champion it, and they won't let this date shift go without majorly commenting on it repeatedly, and begging people not to lose heart.

It was a blow reading the news in the morning, especially since I read it on the abhorent Aintitcoolnews.com, and then made the mistake of reading the largely ignorant Talkback as well. I was on the site due to myself checking my The Incredibles review on a Talkback, desperately conducting a social experiment to see if people would follow my lead, talk intelligently and respectfully, and clearly and concisely put forward their non-biased views. Failed miserably, obviously. And then I found the Serenity delayed news. And I felt even more depressed.

But only because I personally will have to wait. From a non-fan perspective, looking at what's good for the film, I think September will treat it better. In the meantime I'll just have to continue with my big damn novel and release it to fill the gap.

I'm still glad that Serenity is in the hands of Universal - we are talking of a studio here who funded our BDM in the first place, and have every faith in Whedon. I don't think they'll shabilly treat him, and I'm sure they conferred with him beforehand on this - not that he might have given his wholehearted approval, but from what he's said on the Whedonesque site I feel that he trusts them.

So we don't slack off. The war continues. We must convert. Let us hope a very shiny trailer comes out in April to use as ammunition and that the critics laud Serenity - if only to piggyback an extra drubbing against Lucas's no doubt mediocre effort.

Finally, I'm proud of you guys for taking this news with so few exclamation marks or capital letters. This is a truly dedicated, thoughtful board. My stiff-upper lip is quivering.

And Joss, damn, hasn't he got the mightiest stiff-upper-lip of all? An honoury Brit.

Thanks for listening. Keep on flyin'.

Pete

P.S: (And hey! This news means that we can all redivert all our efforts from political posting to strategising on every damn thing we can do between now and September to lure the public's mind into a slavering anticipation of Serenity!)

"If you can keep your head whilst others... eurgh! Ack! I've spilt my ink! Ugh! Ink on my trousers! Agh! Ink on my shirt! My only hope! The window! Aieeeeee!" (Falls to death)
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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:12 AM

RABIT


Not happy about it, but I'll live. I guess they know the business, so - assuming that the reasons are real - I'm going to assume that it'll be better for the movie. I do feel sorry for Joss, and the rest of the cast and crew, as they won't be able to see the results of their efforts for even longer, but hopefully it'll result in a larger showing...
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Originally posted by MercedesTroy:
On the one hand, it means that I see "Serenity" with the Indiana Browncoats instead of the Florida Browncoats, which is a disappointment.

Ah, the (few) Hoosier Browncoats aren't that bad. Really! (Where are you going to be in Indiana?)
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I suppose that means the novelization will be pushed back too.

Wonderful point - more time to get it written and written well, right?

Rabit

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:14 AM

NAKEDANDARTICULATE


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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Another thought. Since the BDM is being pushed back to September, I suppose that means the novelization will be pushed back too.

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yep.and probably the other book(on essays).....this is not good,well this thanksgiving i am NOT thankful for this.i hate this.im sorry im a big baby right now, i know.just a few days ago the first photo was leaked and it hit me that it was getting closer--and now(sigh) alright,so here is a MEMO TO UNIVERSAL- PROVE IT.BACK IT UP.MARKET THE SHIT OUT OF THIS FILM! As april was approaching i still hadn't heard of ANY merchandise other than cards and 2 books,so now you can work on the following "dream merchandise" a video game by next christmas,that rumored animated prequel,action figures dammit(paramount blew it with sky captain)t-shirts,and anything else. hell ill take serenity pop tarts if it'll help with marketing! and yes,to the other fellow browncoats have said that gives us more time to convert other folks to this universe.i called my best friend who i just converted a few months ago and told him the bad news and he said the same as above,so we've got a lot of work people I may be depressed now,but gorramit that's enough of that,'cause browncoats don't pout they fight on."you wanna see the real me now?" we have to support this film to the end(one question,will the overseas market get it first now?)so right now we have 2 films to destroy the sequel to zorro-im sorry is it 1999 already? little late dontcha think? curious george.....sorry this monkey has no curiousity in that one.BRING IT ON STUDIOS! KEEP FLYING--damn straight.

"Hamsters is nice."

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:18 AM

CRITTER


I'm just, just ... there aren't words to say

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Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:24 AM

MERCEDESTROY


Rabit -

Oh my very dear, no one is dissin' the Hoosier Browncoats, I have just been living in Tampa since 1986 and these are the fans I celebrate Firefly Friday's with!

I am moving back home, to Indianapolis, possibly to attend InconJunction for the first time in, lets see, around 18 years ...

My how time flys.

Whereabouts are you?

If Justice is the dish, then I am your waitress

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