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'Buffy' relaunches without Whedon

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Monday, May 25, 2009 8:06 PM

HAKEN

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A new incarnation of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer[ could be coming to the big screen.

"Buffy" creator Joss Whedon isn't involved and it's not set up at a studio, but Roy Lee and Doug Davison of Vertigo Entertainment are working with original movie director Fran Rubel Kuzui and her husband, Kaz Kuzui, on what is being labeled a remake or relaunch, but not a sequel or prequel.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i666afabc28
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Monday, May 25, 2009 9:50 PM

TUJIAOZUO


The movie?

(The link doesn't work for me, as I am on dial up. Dial up makes many things not work, as well as makes me die a little inside)

Strangely, as long as it's a reluanch of the movie, I'm cool with it. The movie, was not Joss's vision anyways (nor is it a favorite of mine) so to have someone remake that is alright. Perhaps they will mold it more closely to what he was going for. Who knows.

Now if it was the series, them there's fightin' words.

Your Indian Pirate Lord,
Ash

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:34 AM

DEWRASTLER


I read about this over at Superherhype.com and I think to make a Buffy movie that ignores the 7 seasons that were on TV and didn't have SMG is just ridiculous. That's not Buffy. That's just another vampire movie. You can't have Buffy without Joss or any of the original cast. I don't see what the problem would be to keep it in line with the series.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:19 AM

BULLETT


why would they do that? it just seems kinda dumb to "remake or relaunch" a movie that was cute, and then had a very successful tv series. makes no sense to me.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:37 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by bullett:
why would they do that? it just seems kinda dumb to "remake or relaunch" a movie that was cute, and then had a very successful tv series. makes no sense to me.



Sounds to me like the Kuzuis are desperate for money!

Mike

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:26 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I read about this over at Superherhype.com and I think to make a Buffy movie that ignores the 7 seasons that were on TV and didn't have SMG is just ridiculous. That's not Buffy. That's just another vampire movie. You can't have Buffy without Joss or any of the original cast. I don't see what the problem would be to keep it in line with the series.




That would be my first instinct as well, but then again, there are many who said you couldn't do Star Trek with a new cast and new creators, and that turned out pretty kick-ass.

SO, I'm not jazzed for this new take, but I'll give it a shot. If it sucks, I'll forget it as quickly as the original movie. If it's good... cool.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:36 AM

CHRISISALL


Nope. Can't be done. Old fans won't buy it & new ones won't dig the idea- it was new at the time but it's been done to death now.
Just a cash-grab at the current "Twighlight" wake.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I read about this over at Superherhype.com and I think to make a Buffy movie that ignores the 7 seasons that were on TV and didn't have SMG is just ridiculous. That's not Buffy. That's just another vampire movie. You can't have Buffy without Joss or any of the original cast. I don't see what the problem would be to keep it in line with the series.




That would be my first instinct as well, but then again, there are many who said you couldn't do Star Trek with a new cast and new creators, and that turned out pretty kick-ass.

SO, I'm not jazzed for this new take, but I'll give it a shot. If it sucks, I'll forget it as quickly as the original movie. If it's good... cool.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



My take is that it will suck - just like the original movie sucked, with Fran Rubel Kuzui as director. Maybe she thinks that NOW she gets Joss's original concept a little better, since he took seven years to flesh it out for her, but my bet is it will still suck, and I won't be in any rush to go see it.

You wanna get me interested in more Buffy? Let Joss do it, include Spike, and if you really wanna find a new audience while bringing in a lot of the original audience, make it a Broadway musical!

Mike

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:25 AM

STORYMARK


I'm not saying it will be good - yeah, it will probably suck. But what good is complaining about it going to do. It's on them to make a movie - good or bad. I'll wait till I see it to judge it. Not going to waste my time fretting over it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:35 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Not going to waste my time fretting over it.


Fretting is what we do, darlin', it's what we do.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:48 AM

DEWRASTLER


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by Dewrastler:
I read about this over at Superherhype.com and I think to make a Buffy movie that ignores the 7 seasons that were on TV and didn't have SMG is just ridiculous. That's not Buffy. That's just another vampire movie. You can't have Buffy without Joss or any of the original cast. I don't see what the problem would be to keep it in line with the series.




That would be my first instinct as well, but then again, there are many who said you couldn't do Star Trek with a new cast and new creators, and that turned out pretty kick-ass.




The only difference between this and Star Trek is the time since the original series and the age of the actors.

The new Star Trek came to mind when I first heard of this too, and I really enjoyed that movie. The thing is that the original crew really can't carry a movie anymore. They've gotten old, so replacing them is more acceptable since the original series aired about 40 years ago.

With Buffy, the cast can still handle the project. Think of it like this: It would be like the original Star Trek movies with a different actors. That just wouldn't have seemed right, because the actors could still portray the roles.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:01 AM

STORYMARK


I don't disagree with the notion tht the original cast could still do a movie. But that doesn't change my view of this, either. Sure, I'd prefer to see a Wheon-made movie that picks up from the show. My prefrence doesn't mean that a new version couldn't be worth watching, though.

Perception of a fan(s) does not hve a cause/effect relationship with a potential new movie. A fan of the show may not be able at accept a new version, but that doesn't mean the movie will automatically be bad because siad fan(s) don't want it. I'm open minded enough to give the benefit of the doubt. If it sucks - that's when the knives come out.

And let's face it, the cast members of the show are not exactly box-office draws. Most haven't even been getting work, and the biggest name of the lost has fallen into the DTV ghetto.

Not to mention, when it comes down to it, it's a story aimed at teens. The teen audience is what they'll want to appeal to again - and that's hard to do with a group of actors pushing 40.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:09 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


BtVS revisited? Indeed?

The Kuzui duo were the two people most responsible for taking Joss's script in 1991 and mangling it so badly he nearly cried. The result was the tangled, jumbled, pile of go-see staring Kristy Swanson in 1992.

And here they come capitalize on the franchise Joss turned into a household name. I fear they will take liberties....grave ones....as Tycho from Penny Arcade relates in a manner far better than I: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/5/28/

What shall the Kuzui duo stich out of their whole cloth? What new shambling horror of storytelling will lurch it's way off their Frankensteinian table?

Oh the humanity.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:48 AM

MSA


Oh lord.. so they are re-inventing a movie that had one funny line in it?? YAY can't wait to rush out and buy tickets for that

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:53 AM

BLACKCATLADY


I don't understand how they can make the Buffy movie without permission from Joss. Doens't he have 'some rights' over the Buffy 'verse?


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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:06 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BlackCatLady:
I don't understand how they can make the Buffy movie without permission from Joss. Doens't he have 'some rights' over the Buffy 'verse?




Nope. He sold the script to the Kazuis when he was starting out. They hired him to develop the series. But he has no ownership of it whatsoever.

Creators rarely control the rights. The only way studios will put up the financing to make something is if they get to own it. George Lucas is about the only guy who managed to keep the rights to what he created.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:31 PM

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Just read this from Felica Day's tweet.

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:15 PM

SCHISM


Playing devil's advocate there, but....does anyone know if Joss was asked and declined involvement?

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Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I guess what irks me is that the person most responsible for that abomination that was the Buffy movie NOW wants a second crack at it, a chance for a "re-imagining" of it, as if in an effort at cranking up a franchise for it.

I've got news for her: It already WAS re-imagined, THE RIGHT WAY, when Joss did seven years of the show. He also made a hell of a franchise of it, one which is still going.

Star Trek's new jump-start I can handle; it was done more as an homage to (and in honor of) Gene Roddenberry's original. ALL of the Star Trek franchise have been done with respect to Roddenberry and his wife. I just don't feel like Kuzui has paid Joss any respect at all, and has only left him to clean up her mess.

Mike

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:45 AM

ZEEK


No thanks. Either Joss does Buffy or I don't buy a ticket. Let them have a box office blunder if that's what they want, but the movie's going no where without the fans behind it.

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:
No thanks. Either Joss does Buffy or I don't buy a ticket. Let them have a box office blunder if that's what they want, but the movie's going no where without the fans behind it.



Couldn't agree more, Zeek. And that's where the Buffy/Star Trek reboot comparisons break down - for the most part, the vast majority of the Trekkies ARE behind the Trek reboot.

Mike

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:32 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:


Couldn't agree more, Zeek. And that's where the Buffy/Star Trek reboot comparisons break down - for the most part, the vast majority of the Trekkies ARE behind the Trek reboot.




Sure, now. Didya happen to see the constant whining over little details before then? This site was loaded with them (Wah, the ship looks different - it's gonna suck!!!), and actual Trek sites... whoah.

If it gets made, and it sucks, I'll skip it, or at the least tear it apart.

But if it's good? I'll enjoy it, plain and simple. Not going to hate on something just because it's not how I wanted to see it done.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:13 AM

BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The person most responsible for the abomination that was the Buffy movie NOW wants a second crack at it, a chance for a "re-imagining". I've got news for her: It already WAS re-imagined, THE RIGHT WAY, when Joss did seven years of the show.

Hey Kwik, we agree on a thing. I should isolate and frame this thread.

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
The person most responsible for the abomination that was the Buffy movie NOW wants a second crack at it, a chance for a "re-imagining". I've got news for her: It already WAS re-imagined, THE RIGHT WAY, when Joss did seven years of the show.

Hey Kwik, we agree on a thing. I should isolate and frame this thread.



Awww now, BSCM - this isn't the FIRST time we've agreed on something. Like Jongsy, you and I probably aren't even that far apart on how we view the world - it's just that you're looking from one side, and I'm looking from the other. It don't change what we're looking at; just how we see it.

Mike

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:


Couldn't agree more, Zeek. And that's where the Buffy/Star Trek reboot comparisons break down - for the most part, the vast majority of the Trekkies ARE behind the Trek reboot.




Sure, now. Didya happen to see the constant whining over little details before then? This site was loaded with them (Wah, the ship looks different - it's gonna suck!!!), and actual Trek sites... whoah.

If it gets made, and it sucks, I'll skip it, or at the least tear it apart.

But if it's good? I'll enjoy it, plain and simple. Not going to hate on something just because it's not how I wanted to see it done.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."




Good point. Heck, I wish it WOULD be good. I wish it would be GREAT - it would just bring more people into the Whedonverse, and that's never a bad thing!

But the odds aren't great, is all I'm sayin'...

Mike

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