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POSTED BY: JONGSSTRAW
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Friday, February 6, 2009 3:09 AM

JONGSSTRAW



I'm really loving watching the original series again with the new DVD set. Two episodes last night :

A Piece of the Action : They never explained how or if Kirk kept his "contract" with the street kid who helped him & Spock get into Jojo Krakow's house. He was promised a piece of the action. Since Kirk settled on a 40% cut for the Federation, I figure this kid would be owed a big chunk of the planet's loot, a thick percentage as the locals would say. Also, the big boss Bela's name is either misspelled or mispronounced. They call him Oxmyx, but on the posters it's spelled Okmyx...never noticed that before. Also, maybe this was an episode they should have revisited at some point in the future, because they left things there a bit un-resolved, and it would have been "fascinating" to see what had turned out after 10 or 20 years.

Return To Tomorrow : Wow, was this the FIRST example of someone "melting away" and becoming the ship (as in Objects In Space)? When Sargon flees Kirk's dying body, he transfers his mental energy into The Enterprise, and speaks from that position, much like our little River did. (almost). Also, they never did elaborate on the interesting results of Spock's "essence energy" being placed inside Nurse Chapel. She said "they shared consciousness" whatever the heck that means.




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Friday, February 6, 2009 5:21 AM

PIRATECAT


SPOAHK!

Dammit Jim I'm a Doctor not a bricklayer.

It can't bay dune kaptain.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Friday, February 6, 2009 6:25 AM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm really loving watching the original series again with the new DVD set. Two episodes last night :

A Piece of the Action : They never explained how or if Kirk kept his "contract" with the street kid who helped him & Spock get into Jojo Krakow's house. He was promised a piece of the action. Since Kirk settled on a 40% cut for the Federation, I figure this kid would be owed a big chunk of the planet's loot, a thick percentage as the locals would say.



My recollection (by no means fresh): Once the dust settled on that ploy Kirk indicated to the kid that simply getting to participate was his "piece of the action"...which strikes me as cheap and deceptive. Kinda like when ancient Miz Grundy down the street says she'll pay you to mow her 5-acre, overgrown lawn...and her idea of "pay" is a shiny quarter.

Kid shoulda shanked Kirk right there on the stoop - only way to maintain any street cred on that rock.

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Return To Tomorrow : ...Also, they never did elaborate on the interesting results of Spock's "essence energy" being placed inside Nurse Chapel. She said "they shared consciousness" whatever the heck that means.


I always figured that was coy '60s lingo for some kind of metaphorical booty call.

Nice to see your handle around here again, JS.


It was like that when we got here!

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Friday, February 6, 2009 6:51 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by WASHnwear:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm really loving watching the original series again with the new DVD set. Two episodes last night :

A Piece of the Action : They never explained how or if Kirk kept his "contract" with the street kid who helped him & Spock get into Jojo Krakow's house. He was promised a piece of the action. Since Kirk settled on a 40% cut for the Federation, I figure this kid would be owed a big chunk of the planet's loot, a thick percentage as the locals would say.



My recollection (by no means fresh): Once the dust settled on that ploy Kirk indicated to the kid that simply getting to participate was his "piece of the action"...which strikes me as cheap and deceptive. Kinda like when ancient Miz Grundy down the street says she'll pay you to mow her 5-acre, overgrown lawn...and her idea of "pay" is a shiny quarter.

Kid shoulda shanked Kirk right there on the stoop - only way to maintain any street cred on that rock.

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Return To Tomorrow : ...Also, they never did elaborate on the interesting results of Spock's "essence energy" being placed inside Nurse Chapel. She said "they shared consciousness" whatever the heck that means.


I always figured that was coy '60s lingo for some kind of metaphorical booty call.

Nice to see your handle around here again, JS.


It was like that when we got here!


Thanks Wash for responding to the post. I left for a long time due to the nature of that other area, but this board is too good in general to stay away forever. It's good to be back, and thanks for your kind words. Look for more "other" sci-fi threads coming from me.

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Friday, February 6, 2009 8:08 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm really loving watching the original series again with the new DVD set.

Is it the set with the remastered FX?


The curious Chrisisall

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Friday, February 6, 2009 10:20 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

I'm really loving watching the original series again with the new DVD set.

Is it the set with the remastered FX?


The curious Chrisisall


But of course.
Any comments on the post questions/observations Chris?

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Friday, February 6, 2009 2:52 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Any comments on the post questions/observations Chris?

Have no fear; Sargon's here.

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Return To Tomorrow : Wow, was this the FIRST example of someone "melting away" and becoming the ship (as in Objects In Space)? When Sargon flees Kirk's dying body, he transfers his mental energy into The Enterprise, and speaks from that position, much like our little River did.
That's freaky; I never thought of that before. But it's a dead-on observation.

Have you see The Doomsday Machine yet? IMO THE best of the re-mastered eps! The scope of it is perfectly magnified!


The Yeoman-chasing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 6, 2009 8:21 PM

OPPYH


The Blu-Ray of season 1(TOS) comes out in May.

Get this, both new enhanced epsiodes and the original episodes will be included in all their glory.

1080P with lossless audio. I just cannot wait.


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Friday, February 6, 2009 9:52 PM

CALHOUN


Heheh, they can remaster and remaster and add in all the special effects they want but can they improve the acting?

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 12:31 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Have you see The Doomsday Machine yet? IMO THE best of the re-mastered eps! The scope of it is perfectly magnified!



Mighty Sargon, I haven't seen Doomsday yet with these dvds, but I did watch That Which Survives last night. Boy that Lee Merriweather was pretty darn hot in her day, especially with the gothic-esque makeup and her outpost-defending space outfit. This Trek appearance pre-dated her roles in Time Tunnel and Barnaby Jones. Now, 42 years later she does Pepto Bismol commericals or insurance, but she still retains the beauty and grace of her Miss America days.

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 12:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by Calhoun:
Heheh, they can remaster and remaster and add in all the special effects they want but can they improve the acting?


The acting was the acting. Either you love and accept it as a 43 year iconic classic or you don't. I generally think the acting was outstanding, and the show was perfectly cast.

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:55 AM

IMNOTHERE


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

The acting was the acting. Either you love and accept it as a 43 year iconic classic or you don't. I generally think the acting was outstanding, and the show was perfectly cast.



Its a different style of acting: The whole show is structured like a Shakespearean tragedy, complete with soliloquies, and the cast play it as if they were standing on stage projecting to an audience.

We're all used to the modern style of TV acting, which is more informal, intimate and naturalistic. Partly fashion, partly because of modern lightweight equipment and editing techniques. Back in 1966 this would have been a bit too Stanley Kubrick for the rather conservative TV networks.

Actually, TV space opera has tended to stick to the old melodramatic style: I'd say the new BSG is the first to really drag it into the 1990s (Firefly may have had wobbly cameras in space, but it deliberately aped the speech patterns of cowboy flicks). Personally I think this works well with the morality tale/tragedy storylines that space opera tends to use, but it might contribute to the ghettoization of TV SF.

Babylon 5 and the SciFi channel version of Dune are two prime examples (although both had their share of genuinely awful acting, too). Actually, I loved the way the TV "Dune" interpreted it as "Macbeth in space" - even down to Baron Harkonnen talking in verse.





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Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:18 AM

LEEDAVIDT


star trek tos on blu-ray ?!
music to my ears !

"By golly, Jim... I'm beginning to think I can cure a rainy day!" -- McCoy (The Devil in the Dark)




http://www.myspace.com/leedavidt


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Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by ImNotHere:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The acting was the acting. Either you love and accept it as a 43 year iconic classic or you don't. I generally think the acting was outstanding, and the show was perfectly cast.



Its a different style of acting: The whole show is structured like a Shakespearean tragedy, complete with soliloquies, and the cast play it as if they were standing on stage projecting to an audience.

We're all used to the modern style of TV acting, which is more informal, intimate and naturalistic. Partly fashion, partly because of modern lightweight equipment and editing techniques. Back in 1966 this would have been a bit too Stanley Kubrick for the rather conservative TV networks.


I very much agree with that, and in fairness it should be appreciated for what it was, when it was. It had great comraderie, and humor. It had great social and philosophical themes, and they practically put the thing together with no money, using scraps from junkyards and second hand shops for sets and props. And just a small handful of people put it all together each week with true futuristic reality when it aired. Really an amazing feat.

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 5:09 AM

PIRATECAT


I am NOMAD. You are the creator Kirk.

Hailing Frequencies Open Sir.

Energize.

I said the Enterprise shouldn't be hauling garbage it should be hauled as garbage. SMACK


JS you can't get bored with this crew.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:05 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
and they practically put the thing together with no money, using scraps from junkyards and second hand shops for sets and props.

Jong, did you know that the prop guy used to find stuff in Mission Impossibles' dumpster (filming in the next building) that he used to salvage & paint up for the show?


The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:09 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Boy that Lee Merriweather was pretty darn hot in her day

Check the Batman movie from the 60's. Meow.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, February 8, 2009 3:33 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
and they practically put the thing together with no money, using scraps from junkyards and second hand shops for sets and props.

Jong, did you know that the prop guy used to find stuff in Mission Impossibles' dumpster (filming in the next building) that he used to salvage & paint up for the show?


The laughing Chrisisall


That's a great story Chris. I remember from the interviews with all the guys who did the scrounging and salvaging for the production how they hand painted everything, lighted every light and screen by hand. No computers back then. Everything was done on just three basic sets, and they would create every environment and all the structures by hand. We're lucky to be able to watch Star Trek again on big digital widescreen tv's. The show holds up better than ever.

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Sunday, February 8, 2009 10:58 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The show holds up better than ever.

Have ya seen Amok Time yet?


The impatient Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:45 PM

TRAVELER


Lee Merriweather did make a great Cat Woman.


http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I remember a number of the actors snubbed their noses at the sets, particularly syrofoam rocks -but what better makes a foreign, neon rock than styrofoam? Some of them had no imagination - many thought the show would never be aired, I heard.

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