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Tyr... Anasazi... Rules....

POSTED BY: MOBBEX
UPDATED: Monday, December 31, 2007 14:56
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Friday, November 2, 2007 3:54 AM

MOBBEX


As far as warrior types go, he's pretty much top drawer. So composed, thoughtful yet ruthless and... fierce I mean, Jayne's quite the remorseless executionner, but IMO Tyr's tops him in both brawn and brain. Plus, he actually turns out to be a vilain! 'Luv it when they switch sides



How about you? Who's your most-liked "warrior" character?


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Friday, November 2, 2007 4:32 AM

CYBERSNARK


Tyr (pre-leaving the show) was indeed awesome. Kodiak Pride sure knew how to breed 'em.

"I am Tyr. . . Anasazi. . . Out of Victoria, by Barbarossa!"

Other Warrior types. . .

Gotta acknowledge Vin Diesel's Riddick.
Teal'c could go toe-to-toe with Zoe, Riddick, or Tyr and probably survive.
Taran'Atar has stolen Star Trek's Top Badass title from Worf.

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And, as of "Worlds of DS9" and "Warpath," has also turned out to be a villain.


Briaereos from Appleseed manages to play both ruthless badass and romantic leading man.
Then there's Sesshoumaru. His name means "Perfection in Killing," and he certainly lives up to it.
And no discussion of Warriors would be complete without Lord Breetai, of the Zentraedi.

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Friday, November 2, 2007 7:17 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Tyr had the wrong attitude, with all his Nietzschean propaganda he was like a nazi Conan the space warrior, and Andromeda was too much like Hercules in Space. Plus I prefer philosophical warriors like Teal'c and better written scifi like Firefly.

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Friday, November 2, 2007 9:15 AM

MOBBEX


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...he was like a nazi Conan the space warrior.


What's wrong with that ?

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Plus I prefer philosophical warriors like Teal'c and better written scifi like Firefly.


I agree that the writing in Andromeda was flawed. It lacked drama and the character interraction was somewhat transparent, especially early on. But the one thing it had was compelling characters (IMO). Harper, Rommie... AND TYR I think he mixed the soft-spoken philosopher and the... Conan space warrior thing pretty admirably. Plus, I really liked Keith Hamilton Cobb's performance. He managed to display a wide array of emotions, all the while remaining his strong silent self.

Huh... Did that make sense?

PS: He really did look like Conan, didn't he?

PPS: To me, Teal'c always felt kinda... plasticized? I don't know... I'm a big SG-1 fan, but he just lacks the depth that Tyr has.


Tyr Anasazi, out of Victoria by Barbarossa

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Friday, November 2, 2007 4:14 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


Didn't I hear they bastardized his character and then killed him off most lamely?

I never got into that show because of the Hercules aspect. Plus I never found Kevin Smith to be a good actor. They missed a chance to make great magic when he took over as exec producer. Shame.

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 3:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:


Other Warrior types. . .

Gotta acknowledge Vin Diesel's Riddick.
Teal'c could go toe-to-toe with Zoe, Riddick, or Tyr and probably survive.





I can't see Teal'c lasting 5 minutes w/ Richard B. Riddick. Not a one of them could pull off 'death by tea cup'. In the game of Who's the better killer , Riddick comes out on tops, imo.



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Saturday, November 3, 2007 4:55 AM

CYBERSNARK


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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
Didn't I hear they bastardized his character and then killed him off most lamely?


Basically.

The show started out (as envisioned by Robert Hewitt Wolfe) with Tyr as a true mercenary, allied with Dylan and Andromeda only so long as it served his purposes. Andromeda was the most powerful warship in the known worlds, and Tyr needed (A) protection from his enemies, and (B) a way to build up his own powerbase against the Drago-Kazov (who had murdered his family). Dylan's idealistic quest to restore the Systems Commonwealth was to parallel Tyr's entirely practical quest to rebuild his Pride (by marriage, seduction, secret alliance, and assassination, as necessary) and destroy (or usurp) the Drago-Kazovs.

Trouble came from Tribune (the producers) and the various networks all pulling in different directions. RHW was fired from his own show, Scripts were rewritten to be dumber and easier for the lowest-common-denominator, characters were retconned to be "sexier," and what had started out as an ensemble show became a "Hero and sidekicks" show. Tyr was visibly neutered by removing his Nietzschean arm-spikes, and was relegated to being the stereotypical "Fighter" -Dylan's musclebound lapdog. His moments of Amorality and moral ambiguity were turned into Evil(tm), and presented as a character flaw (which made him inferior to Dylan "Captain Perfect" Hunt).

After these indignities, Keith Hamilton Cobb decided not to renew his contract with the show. Eventually, the new writers brought Tyr back, only to assassinate his character (turning him into a tactical moron and a coward), and kill him off (shot in the back while running away after Dylan foiled his Evil Plan).

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Saturday, November 3, 2007 1:06 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


Wow, Smith was an egomaniac with narscississtic tendencies. I'm glad I never got into the show, I couldn't watch a character as fascinating as Tyr turned into that. Best way to describe what they did to the character I think, is NUTERED.

Now I think they should try doing this show again, with no name actors whose ego's WON'T get in the way of good story telling. Shame, had a really great premise.

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Sunday, November 4, 2007 4:46 AM

CYBERSNARK


Nitpick: No Kevin Smith (either Silent Bob, or the late Ares) was involved with this show; Dylan was played by Kevin Sorbo (who also Executive Produced, along with a few others).

And It's unlikely that Sorbo had enough power on his own to effect these changes --it was the Tribune suits that started pulling the writers in different directions(*). Sorbo agreed with them, I think(**), and served as their mouthpiece to the fans, but he's not ultimately responsible. If anything Sorbo's guilty of being the proverbial good man who did nothing, and allowed evil to triumph.

FWIW, Tyr was always going to leave the show and later return (his contract was only three years, and he didn't want to be nailed down), but RHW would almost certainly have handled it better. In fact, his original five-year plan for the show had Tyr's sudden-but-inevitable betrayal (and subsequent survival) as a plot point. The whole crew (forced together by circumstance) was supposed to pull apart one by one, then reunite (voluntarily, as Equals) in the end to defeat the Big Bad.

(* Tribune started as a news service [much like FOX did, in fact], so they were all about the "current" ratings [they'd forget the previous week as soon as this week came out]. RHW was trying to create a franchise, but Tribune just didn't think that way.)

(** Not having been involved, I have only secondhand data to go on, and Sorbo's and the producers' stories have changed repeatedly since Wolfe's firing. At first, Sorbo sold it as his idea, but now he's saying that he was against it and "went to bat" for RHW [which goes against RHW's own account of the decision being "unanimous"].)

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Sunday, November 4, 2007 4:15 PM

MISSTRESSAHARA


Right, right. I remembered his name was Sorbo, sorry Mr Smith, my bad.

And I'm going by information that came out in the un-authorized book one of the, I think a writer or producer wrote. Someone on here had a thread about it. Deconstructing Andromeda and she went on to write what she thinks happened and what could have been, and Sorbo's name was one that cropped up as one of the problems.

But regardless, if ego's and business didn't get into the way I could have watched this. But every time I see Sorbo walk on the screen I expect him to start uttering Zeus' name.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 4:39 PM

SHIELDMAID


Cool thread!!

I love/d the character of Tyr Anasazi--he was fascinating; he was--at least for the first two seasons--well written and multi-facetted; and Keith Hamilton Cobb portrayed him with a Shakespearean scope and tragedy.

I watched the show because he was a beautiful contradiction in terms with the potential to become even more fascinating.

And when the the show's PTB squandered and emasculated him, I quit watching.

My belief accords Kevin Sorbo far less credit than he is given here; I find it fascinating that the drastic "revision" of the show came at the same time popularity for the "secondary" (read: not-Sorbo-the-headliner) characters and cast began to explode.

'Nuff said, I suppose.

Shieldmaid

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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 4:51 PM

BADKARMA00


I actually have to go with Bulwyf, from 13th Warrior on this one, though I always did like Tyr. Bulwyf is modeled after Beowulf, of course, and was a leader as well as a warrior, but still warrior first.
As a close second I'd have to agree about the Riddick. He's more killer than warrior IMO, but whatever gets the skunk skinned.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2007 5:39 PM

CYBERSNARK


Looking at my earlier post, I can't believe I left out the ultimate "can kill you with his glare" badass.

Leroy Jethro Gibbs.

Now he could kick Riddick's ass.

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Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:22 AM

CLJOHNSTON108


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Leroy Jethro Gibbs.

Now he could kick Riddick's ass.


Yeah, buddy!

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Monday, December 31, 2007 4:50 AM

VERASAMUELS


1. Jayne Cobb; nuff said!

2. Tyr...yes; so much potential wasted

3. Ronin Dex [Stargate: Atlantis]...yummmola!



Vera

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Monday, December 31, 2007 5:05 AM

CHRISISALL


CONAN. Period.

Chrisisall

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Monday, December 31, 2007 8:24 AM

DUG


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CONAN. Period.

Chrisisall




Only if Andy Richter is there to back him up.

Or do you mean the slow lumbering actor that was such an unbelievable action star?
"I will kill you last. Slowly. Because that's the only way I can."

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Monday, December 31, 2007 8:28 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by dug:
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CONAN. Period.

Chrisisall




Only if Andy Richter is there to back him up (that's funny).

Or do you mean the slow lumbering actor that was such an unbelievable action star?

The Milius movie, the comics, or the novels that inspired them- take your pick.

De lamentation of de Chrisisall

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Monday, December 31, 2007 10:19 AM

BADKARMA00


Betraying my complete ignorance here, who is Andy Richter? And why does Conan need him?

Bad_karma

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Monday, December 31, 2007 2:32 PM

DUG


Conan O'Brien is a talk show host/ comedian in the USA. Andy Richter was (is?) his sidekick.


I was ridiculing the most over-rated action star in movie history. If you throw novels and other media in it changes things a bit.

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Monday, December 31, 2007 2:56 PM

BADKARMA00


Thanks man. I don't watch Cunun Obunyan, *snicker* cause I don't, well, like him, lol. Anyway, thanks for the info, and now. . .I get it! Good one!

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