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The Third HEROES thread

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:05 AM

REGINAROADIE


Hey All

The last HEROES thread was getting too long, so I decided to start a new one.

What did you guys think of last nights ep? Loved every minute of it myself. Hiro's museum robbery was funny, although I know already that it was a futile effort ("I'm going to take it back.") although the symbol on the sword does add another intriguing piece to the puzzle. And I like how Nathan ("FLYING MAN!!") is slowly coming around to the fact that he is involved in all this and is coming around to accepting his powers.

I like that this ep ("GODSEND") touches slightly on the idea that some perceive their powers as divine intervention, especially coming from the Hatian. Maybe he's the Nightcrawler of the show. Perceived as the bad guy, but is in fact highly devout. And of course the last line of the ep ("Who needs God when you got me?") is a Joss worthy line.

And even though Chris Eccleston only showed up in the last 30 seconds, he definitly made an entrance. I can't think of an invisible superhero. Or do you think he'll be a bad guy? Either way...

You know you're in geek paradise when Doctor Who and Mr. Sulu guest on your show.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:20 AM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by reginaroadie:
What did you guys think of last nights ep? Loved every minute of it myself. Hiro's museum robbery was funny, although I know already that it was a futile effort ("I'm going to take it back.") although the symbol on the sword does add another intriguing piece to the puzzle.



Well, I think it's interesting that yet another hero has been tied to Linderman (who, by the way, we know nearly nothing about). I'm looking forward to a slow reveal of Linderman and his intentions.

What I thought was most interesting was the Haitian's interaction with Claire and Claire's dad's (what's his name again?) interaction with Mohinder. I'm beginning to think that Claire's dad's organization isn't the real bad guy after all--I think it's Linderman. I think that maybe at the end of season one, we'll have a reveal on Linderman, and the heroes will start working with Claire's dad's org.

Meh. Just a thought.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:21 AM

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Mmm...double-post-y goodness...

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:54 AM

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That was awesome.

And now we know where the symbol comes from. "Godsend" indeed.

I loved when Hiro, Isaac, and Nathan all met. I cheered.

I'm starting to like the Haitian. He's so deliberate and articulate (and I love the religious undertones). Seems like he genuinely wants to do good.

So Ted's training himself. And if he's in the desert near Nevada, that's probably the last place Peter should be heading.

Christopher Eccleston was unrecognizable. Is that beard real?

Glad to see more Claire/Zack sparkage. I'm upset that NBC made them rewrite Zack's sexuality (pre-memory-wipe he was gay, post-wipe he's going to be characterized as straight), but I do have to admit; he and Claire make a cute couple. Here's hoping the writers are bold enough to actually make a subplot of it (as opposed to just retconning that he's always been straight).

And for those curious:
http://www.primatechpaper.com/

This is Mr. Bennet's company website. Click the "jobs" tag and it asks you for an entry code (which was written on the back of the card he gave to Mohinder, but has not yet been revealed).

Also, a new comic is up:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_017.shtml

Another multi-parter, this time focusing on Ted --and Hana (who is still using her real name)! It looks to happen after this week's episode.

Heh. Ted's "awesome superhero nickname" is teddiebear616.

No luck finding the Easter Egg this week either. Keep your eyes peeled.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:43 AM

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Enjoyed yesterday's episode, but, as usual, hungry for more.

I'm liking Chirstopher Eccleston so far, even though you only see him for a short while. He kind of reminds me of The Invisble Man from The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen. And was I the only one who didn't recognize him until he smiled?

I'm worried about Peter. Is the path he going on leading him to the right answers? It seems like at this point, he could end up on either side of the fence.

I don't think Claire's going to be in Texas for much longer. At some point, she's going to start looking for answers, ones that the Haitian and (obviously) her father can't give her. And I'm still not sold on Claire's dad being one of the good-guys. Whatever he's planning, it's not for the good of anyone.

I'm really wondering how they're going to bring Matt back into the story. As it stands, he's kind of stuck as long as he remains in Los Angeles. If they were going to unite him with a character, geographically speaking, the closest is D.L. and Micah (I'm leaving out Nikki since she seems to be on a downward spiral). But they don't seem like the most likely matchup. Perhaps he'll find his way back to Texas to confront Claire's dad.

It seems like the character's are dividing into teams, almost. An east coast and west coast group, kind of like the Avengers. Though at least two of the members on the west coast side seem to be potential villians (Nikki/Jessica and Ted). This show does a good job of posing a lot more questions than answers (but at least it's not as bad as Lost).

Whew. Okay, I'll shut up now.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
This show does a good job of posing a lot more questions than answers (but at least it's not as bad as Lost).



I agree about the Lost series – they may have lost me on that one – or it seems that the writers are the ones that are truly lost…..

As for Heroes – I just noticed a commentary track included with the episodes on the web site: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/commentary.shtml

I don’t know if any deep secrets were revealed, but it is kinda cool.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 1:03 PM

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Cybersnark posted
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Glad to see more Claire/Zack sparkage. I'm upset that NBC made them rewrite Zack's sexuality (pre-memory-wipe he was gay, post-wipe he's going to be characterized as straight), but I do have to admit; he and Claire make a cute couple. Here's hoping the writers are bold enough to actually make a subplot of it (as opposed to just retconning that he's always been straight).


Maybe I missed something - where was it said (besides an implication by a snarky cheerleader) that Zack is/was gay? I thought he had a from-afar puppydog crush on Claire, which was why he started helping her.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:44 PM

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I think it was a press release from the writers. They're the ones who confirmed that

*webdives*

Ah, here we go:

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2006/12/heroes.html

Links there to explore the whole business.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:17 PM

LIGHTMEDARK


Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
And was I the only one who didn't recognize him until he smiled?



I didn't even recognize him then. He plays Doctor Who, right? I don't watch that show (tried an episode, didn't like it).

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:28 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJester:
Maybe I missed something - where was it said (besides an implication by a snarky cheerleader) that Zack is/was gay? I thought he had a from-afar puppydog crush on Claire, which was why he started helping her.

That’s a good point. I kept wondering why Zack really gave that much of a shit about a bitchy stuck-up cheerleader if he was gay, yet the gay innuendo was undeniable. I think the character works better if he’s not gay, so I don’t share the opinion that the apparent reversal is a bad thing.

I also continue to stand by Mr. Bennett. I think he is essentially a good guy who is playing hardball. He knows things others do not, and while his actions may be ethically questionable, he believes that we he is doing will serve a greater good in a secret battle against a great evil. This is not just my observation of the character, but it is also Coleman’s interpretation, who has stated in a TV guide interview that he envisioned Bennett as a “50s Cold War warrior,” harkening back to the US-Soviet clandestine warfare. Linderman may turn out to be the real villain here, the “Stalinists,” so to speak, in Bennett’s “Cold War.”



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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:19 PM

CYBERSNARK


I don't really care one way or another about Zack's sexuality either, really (well, aside from "visible gay character in a serious prime time non-sitcom" versus "potential shippage with Claire"). I'm just mad about another example of suits interfering with writers doing what they're paid to do. Professional indignation.

And yeah, Bennet is just doing what he thinks is right. I'm hoping he has an eye-opening experience (like, say, Claire [whom he sincerely loves] openly rebelling, causing him to question exactly what he's doing) and redeems himself.

He's in the perfect position to play Professor X (access to mutants, head of a powerful secret organization, willingness to sacrifice for the greater good).

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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:34 PM

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Well, I'm definitely thinking Lindermen is a "bad guy." I'm not sure who would argue the other side of that. It'd be one incredible twist if he turned out to be an Xavier type character, but I really don't see how that could happen given his Casino, shady-money dealings front.

I have a lot of hope invested in Mr. Bennett's character. It seems as though we're entering a very polarized era of television. On one side complete, unintelligent garbage and on the other brilliant, challenging dynamic programming. BSG and Heroes are the two shows I identify most as being on the good side of this. Why does this relate to Bennett's character? Because if they keep him as ambigous then they keep things real. Not everyone should fall into the good camp or the bad camp. Most real people do good and bad things, and it keeps his character believable if he remains a wild card. If he was completely evil I think he would have shot Mohinder. If he was good he'd be doing a lot of things different. Ultimately it seems that he has fairly good intention but very unethical practices.

I could care less whether Zack is gay or not but I hope to god NBC didn't make the writers change whatever they originally intended b/c they wimped out on a diversity thing.

My favorite part was probably Hiro stealing the sword and the meeting in the artist's apartment.
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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:54 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I don't really care one way or another about Zack's sexuality either, really (well, aside from "visible gay character in a serious prime time non-sitcom" versus "potential shippage with Claire"). I'm just mad about another example of suits interfering with writers doing what they're paid to do. Professional indignation.

And yeah, Bennet is just doing what he thinks is right. I'm hoping he has an eye-opening experience (like, say, Claire [whom he sincerely loves] openly rebelling, causing him to question exactly what he's doing) and redeems himself.

He's in the perfect position to play Professor X (access to mutants, head of a powerful secret organization, willingness to sacrifice for the greater good).

I’ve frequently thought that Mr. Bennett’s first name might be Charles, which was Xavier’s first name, but if Bennett is to become the representation of Xavier, he will be much more like the dark and conflicted Xavier of the comics and less like that from the movies. But I think you’re right that Mr. Bennett will come to regret some of his actions, but I also think that Claire is naïve. So when the inevitable clash between father and daughter comes, I think both will have to grow. The Haitian poses a problem though, because he has now positioned himself between Bennett and his daughter, which has proven to be a dangerous place to be, but the Haitian seems be the backbone of Bennett’s power (especially after losing Eden), so that will also be an interesting clash. I don’t know where this Haitian dude stands, but seventeen year old cheerleaders are easy to manipulate even when their father’s dubious surreptitious activities can’t be used against her. The Haitian might not be as benign as his collected manner makes him appear.



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Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:13 PM

REGINAROADIE


I second that completely. I was really baffled when this minor controversy erupted. In all the previous eps, I never saw any concrete evidence that Zack was gay. Just because you're a film geek and you get gay slander from the popular students doesn't make you gay. I should know. I pretty much lived that through high school. And while I loved Claire for sticking up for him and befriending him, I resent that TV idea that the only time a straight girl can have a platonic male friend is if he's gay.

So yes, I am a Zack/Claire shipper (although I wouldn't mind seeing her hook up with Peter). And if Zack turns out to be straight (which is what I thought all along anyways), then fine. I have bigger concerns about the show than the sexuality of a minor character.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:50 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Ok, liked Christopher Eccleston on the show & I just knew he was invisible. Soon as I realized he is robbing people and no one seems to notice except Peter I told the wife "Yep. He's invisible." Cool that Peter immediately absorbed his power by being in proximity to him. I believe that is the only reason Peter could see him to begin with. Eccleston's character appears to be homeless. Anyone else get that impression? A play on how people ignore the homeless and treat them as non-entities so his power is invisibility?

I like the fact that the Haitian didn't mindwipe Claire. She certainly is playing it cool around her "father". Old spectales doesn't seem to be any the wiser. Wonder why the Haitian is still covering for Bennett if he didn't follow orders to wipe Claire. Hopefully she will reunite w/ Peter.

I too liked the museum robbery scene. The whole tale of the ronin turned samurai hero by taking possession of an enchanted sword was shiny. Guess Hiro plans on using the sword as a focus for his power. Wonder if it will really work. Did anyone notice if the symbol on the sword was present when future Hiro visited Peter on the subway train? I don't recall that sword having the symbol, but I might be wrong. Strange that Linderman has the real sword, but it seems that most of the heroes are tied to him somehow. That is a big plot device waiting to be sprung on us. Most likely a season finale cliffhanger.

I really dug how Nathan, Hiro and Issacc are all together now. Perhaps they can accomplish something. I'm wondering if they are going to go back to Vegas to visit Linderman. Certainly seems to be the plan. Like how Nathan is slowly coming around to accepting his power and some responsibility for trying to stop the destruction of NYC.

So, radioactive man is practicing with his powers in the Nevada desert. Isn't that interesting. Wonder why he is doing it. Could it be the proximity to old bomb testing grounds? Did anyone else catch Peter on the phone asking for a ticket to the desert in Nevada? He asked if that is where they test the bombs. Reckon Peter & Radioactive man will be meeting up soon. Still not sure it will be Peter that blows up in NYC. My money is still on Radioactive man. Kind of figured him for the bomb since he was introduced.

I'm thinking that Nikki's evil persona is going to break her out of prison soon. Not sure where they are going with her arc yet.

I wonder how long it can possibly be before Matt & Bennett have a showdown. That is bound to be ugly. Glad to see him confiding in his wife. Wonder if she will believe him though or if she will wind up betraying him.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:51 AM

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I think Ted's training to gain some kind of control over his powers. What we saw looked like he was trying to contain the little bursts for as long as possible. If he can do that, he can learn how to either bleed it off slowly or unleash it in focussed blasts away from (or possibly toward) anything vulnerable. It was his lack of control that killed his wife, remember.

And yes, Nevada was ground zero for nuclear weapons testing. See "Groom Lake," "Los Alamos," and "Area 51." Middle of nowhere, so it makes sense that Ted and Peter would gravitate there if they're worried about exploding.

And I love how the promo for next week focuses on Eccleston's character saying "Fantastic" (his Dr. Who catchphrase).

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:40 AM

LIGHTMEDARK


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Eccleston's character appears to be homeless. Anyone else get that impression? A play on how people ignore the homeless and treat them as non-entities so his power is invisibility?



I was thinking the same thing. If they don't go that route, I think it's a missed opportunity.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:41 AM

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...wish i could make this post invisible, haha

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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:59 AM

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1. Is anyone but me bothered by the fact that the "Haitian" has an accent that is very non-Haitian? Probably not.

E2A: LOL! He IS Haitian. Duh. Okay, I will amend this to state that he doesn't sound anything like the Haitians I knew in college.

2. Gay Zach? I thought of him as inexperienced sexually, teased about everything, maybe not too sure what he was anyway and so not bothering to deny it when teased about being gay. Or maybe bi. Which I think lots of inexperienced teens wonder about anyway.



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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:

And yeah, Bennet is just doing what he thinks is right. I'm hoping he has an eye-opening experience (like, say, Claire [whom he sincerely loves] openly rebelling, causing him to question exactly what he's doing) and redeems himself.

He's in the perfect position to play Professor X (access to mutants, head of a powerful secret organization, willingness to sacrifice for the greater good).




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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:58 PM

JADEHAND


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Did anyone notice if the symbol on the sword was present when future Hiro visited Peter on the subway train? I don't recall that sword having the symbol, but I might be wrong.



The symbol was definately there when he met Peter on the subway. I remember seeing it and being reminded of the other times it had come up. I also recall it being called a strand of RNA, not 2 mixed Kanji.

Also... for those that didn't watch Deal or No deal go to www.nbc.com the heroes page and watch the clip "Wireless". this will shead insight on the radioactive guy in Nevada.


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Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jadehand:
Also... for those that didn't watch Deal or No deal go to www.nbc.com the heroes page and watch the clip "Wireless". this will shead insight on the radioactive guy in Nevada.



I was wondering if that was in the actual episode because I managed to miss Monday's airing. When I went to the site later that night this clip was one of the few things I was able to watch. Very cool clip, wouldn't mind seeing more of her. Looks like she has a score to settle with Bennett. Can't wait to see someone get the upper hand on him.

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:21 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Cybersnark, I believe you are right in that Ted is trying to gain some sort of control over his powers. To what end I am not sure. Hopefully he will wind up being a hero.

Grizwald, I was a little put off by the "Haitian's" very non-Haitian accent, but chalked it up as one of those things you overlook when taking in the overall end result.

I also agree w/ you Grizwald that Zach is not gay, but perhaps been labeled as such by the kids at school because they have never seen him with a girl and they just assume he is gay. I think he is really in love w/ Claire. We were starting to see the beginnings of a relationship before the Haitian wiped his mind.

Jadehand, thanks for the confirmation that the symbol was there on future Hiro's sword. So we do know he actually gets the sword at some point in the future.

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Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:10 AM

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Quote:

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Jadehand, thanks for the confirmation that the symbol was there on future Hiro's sword. So we do know he actually gets the sword at some point in the future.


Either that or he still just has the replica.



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Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:16 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


For all we know, Hiro is the dude depicted in the museum. The sword might actually be his and he just doesn't know it yet.



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Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by singate:
Quote:

Originally posted by Jadehand:
Also... for those that didn't watch Deal or No deal go to www.nbc.com the heroes page and watch the clip "Wireless". this will shead insight on the radioactive guy in Nevada.



I was wondering if that was in the actual episode because I managed to miss Monday's airing. When I went to the site later that night this clip was one of the few things I was able to watch. Very cool clip, wouldn't mind seeing more of her. Looks like she has a score to settle with Bennett.

Oh, cool. I just noticed this. The clip is the first little bit of the latest comic: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/

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Friday, January 26, 2007 3:35 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Shiny. So Ted hooks up w/ Wireless to get revenge. This is shaping up to be interesting.

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Friday, January 26, 2007 11:31 AM

LIGHTMEDARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
For all we know, Hiro is the dude depicted in the museum. The sword might actually be his and he just doesn't know it yet.



Entirely possible...good observation ;D

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Friday, January 26, 2007 12:15 PM

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List of historical nuclear tests sites in USA:

Nevada (several sites; but the Nevada Test Site is the only currently open U.S. test site); Alamogordo, New Mexico; Carlsbad, New Mexico; Hattiesberg, Mississippi; Grand Valley, Colorado; Rifle, Colorado; Farmington, New Mexico; Hot Creek Valley, Central Nevada; Fallon, Nevada and; Amchitka, Alaska.

....so they could have used any of these states, writers must have chosen Nevada (and Las Vegas) as a centerpoint to begin to pull everyone together. Much as Stephen King did in THE STAND. Can't wait to see where this will end up!

PS One of the funniest scenes was Hiro enacting the Flying Man, "WHOOOOOSH!", then being told to "Keep it down!", after which he gives a muted "whoosh" :) Freakin Shiny! :)

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Friday, January 26, 2007 8:51 PM

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Anyone else get the feeling that Sylar is still shamming? If the clips of upcoming episodes are any indication not only is he up and about, but his memory is still intact. Other than the first night he was captive, after his injuries while fighting Peter, I think he has allowed Bennet and co. to hold him in order to gauge their strength.

When it was announced that Eccleston would be on the show my first thought was that he was going to portray Linderman. After finally seeing the most recent episode I think it is still possible but not likely. Linderman has not been seen yet and the new guy is invisible...I know I'm reaching here.

The whole bit between Hiro and Nathan was hysterical. "You flying man, WHOOSH!" Anyone else notice that Hiro re-enacted Isaac's painting of him fighting the dinosaur while at the museum? Maybe that is what Isaac saw in his vision.

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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:28 PM

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Hiro considered the possibility: http://blog.nbc.com/hiro_blog/
(His blog entries are a week behind the episode, and the software sometimes screws them up: the latest entry is The Sword.)

(Huh. Something about how Hiro describes Kensei's "blazing speed that was invisible to the naked eye" makes me wonder if Kensei-san wasn't a Speedster. You know, Hiro's trick from the museum is basically superspeed by a different method [if the Flash had been around, he would've been able to match velocities with time-displaced Hiro].)

Looks like you're right about Sylar being up and about. Any ideas what that thing on the back of his head is?

New comic's up; the second half of "Exploding Man"
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_018.shtml

Looks like we now know what those needle marks signify. Of course, if Sylar gains access to Mr. Bennet's systems, he might be able to use that data to track everyone Bennet's already found. This could be bad.

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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:10 PM

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I'm not sure, but the thing on sylar's head looked like a shunt, either for adding liqiud (maybe the drug they had him on?) or draining liquid away (testing his brain fluid?).

Anyone else wondering if HRG knows Claire's real bio mom is alive? It seemed a little too easy for Claire to find her. Speaking of HRG, I think he knows that Claire still has her memory now after he saw the wind chimes outside her window. Makes you wonder what he'll do to the Haitian now, huh? Especially since he doesn't seem willing to harm Claire in any way.


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Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Of course, if Sylar gains access to Mr. Bennet's systems, he might be able to use that data to track everyone Bennet's already found. This could be bad.



He seems to only covet certain abilities, though he might eliminate anyone else who could be a threat. Just imagine if he were able to get his hands on Ted and perfect that ability.

Since he has found a way around whatever treatments they were administering it stands to reason he may be immune the Haitan's power as well(if he wasn't already). If that is the case he may be nearly unstoppable, though he does seem bent on gaining Claire's healing ability. Considering her regenerative power it may be possible for him to examine her brain without killing her. I'm envisioning a scenario where Claire offers herself in exchange for someone in the family.

I like the scenes between Mohinder and Nathan. When he offered to help Peter by studying him Nathan was assuming that their abilities could be simply turned off, which would be of interest to him since he is more concerned with politics than heroics. If the writers chose to go down this path it could lead to something similar to what occured on The 4400 last year. Regular people having abilities awakened through gene therapy.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:27 AM

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I'm guessing Claire's ability would be necessary for him to go after Ted. Not so much to use Ted's abilities, but to be able to survive Ted's inevitable self-defense.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:59 AM

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Just found a few spoilerific tidbits over at tvguide.com -

http://tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx

Take it for what it is - but Ausiello is usually pretty accurate.

(And though a totally forced line, I loved it when Hiro said "This is how we roll")


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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 9:26 AM

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Someone on serenitymovie.org suggested that Linderman might be Claire's real father, which I find to be a scary thought.

This leads me to another question, though. Do both parents need to have powers (or have the gene that allows one to have powers) in order to produce a child with abilities? I know it works that way with Nikki, D.L., and Micah, but will it be the same for Claire? And if Linderman is the father, and he does have powers, what will they be? Very pondersome, indeed.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Someone on serenitymovie.org suggested that Linderman might be Claire's real father, which I find to be a scary thought.

This leads me to another question, though. Do both parents need to have powers (or have the gene that allows one to have powers) in order to produce a child with abilities? I know it works that way with Nikki, D.L., and Micah, but will it be the same for Claire? And if Linderman is the father, and he does have powers, what will they be? Very pondersome, indeed.




My theory is that her adoptive father Mr. HRG, is her real father.

As for the both parents having powers to produce a powered kid, unlikely since the number of people with powers seems to be increasing rather than decreasing, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that combination produce more powerful abilities.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:18 PM

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Yeah. Logically there has to be a point where powers spontaneously manifest, or none of this would be happening.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:27 PM

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Yes, it would have to be spontaneous to a certain extent, we seem to be looking at some form of evolution. But at some point it's going to have to take a more genetic turn. And since we're already seeing this in younger generations (i.e., Micah and Claire), I have to wonder what the precedent will be. Do the genes have to be dominant? Or, as my mom suggested, do two recessive genes pair up to produce a dominant trait? The writers seem to be leaning towards a genetic explanation for the abilities, so I wonder if they've thought up any rules for how the powers are produced.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Someone on serenitymovie.org suggested that Linderman might be Claire's real father, which I find to be a scary thought.

This leads me to another question, though. Do both parents need to have powers (or have the gene that allows one to have powers) in order to produce a child with abilities? I know it works that way with Nikki, D.L., and Micah, but will it be the same for Claire? And if Linderman is the father, and he does have powers, what will they be? Very pondersome, indeed.

Possibly, but that would imply that Mrs. Petrelli would have some kind of power, which so far has not been indicated. Although it might be the case that at least one parent would have to have it.

I hope that Linderman is not Claire’s father because that is just too “Luke, I am your father.”



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Thursday, February 1, 2007 4:05 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


I also believe that Linderman might be Claire's real dad. The clip for next week shows a man w/ a fancy watch in a fancy looking office picking up the phone to speak to Claire's "mom". Interesting that she has the ability to produce fire. It might explain why Linderman was hot to buy all of Isaac's paintings; he was using them trying to track Claire down.

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Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:57 PM

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Once again I'm posting at the behest of my husband, the HEROES fan. I watch it too but he's tweaked on it.
He thinks Claire's real dad is Nathan. He even went to the website and found a picture of Nathan wearing the same watch that they showed in the previews. It wouldn't be outrageous, I guess. Claire's real mom looks fairly young. And Nathan's kids now are little meaning he might not have been married a long while.
We also tossed around the idea that Hiro's father is Linderman. His real name may be Nakamura, but he is the LENDER-MAN. Get it? I know, it's a stretch. I think I may be making a mental connection just because Linderman's aide is Asian. Who knows?!?
Does anyone else think that Matt might hook up with DL to see if he can walk into Primatech and find Skylar (who is, of course, no longer there)? Couldn't he find him through police accounts of D.L. "just walking out"of prison?
It just seems like these other heroes who are isolated from the others need to get drawn in somehow.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 4:10 AM

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Hmm. A Matt/DL team up would be cool (and you gave a good reason), but I don't know if Matt is really looking for other mutants. He may not realize just how widespread these "heroes" are --besides, I doubt DL's escape report mentions that he could walk through walls.

And even if Matt did start looking, there's no guarantee he'd be able to find DL. Guy's keeping as low a profile as he can.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:09 AM

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As much as I hate Nikki it would be interesting to see Parkman reading her mind. He really needs to get out and about now that he is on suspension. Hopefully the writers can come up with a compelling way for him to contact some of the other main characters.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 8:37 AM

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I'd be willing to bet that the Haitian will turn Matt onto the other Heroes.

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Monday, February 5, 2007 11:52 AM

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*has seen spoilers of what the future holds for Matt, but I won't do that to people I like*

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Monday, February 5, 2007 5:11 PM

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Well, Stoweaway, you win the prize. It makes sense that it would be either Nathan or Linderman. All that being said, I wonder what's in store for the future. Will Claire seek out Peter and Nathan? Is it possible that Nathan's other children have powers? Will I be able to wait until next week for the next episode?

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Monday, February 5, 2007 9:39 PM

SINGATE


Well this episode certainly put the whole Claire/Peter business to rest...thank God!

Am I the only one getting tired of the memory erasure thing? It's just such a cheap tactic.

The addition of Christopher Eccleston has managed to make the show even better, which I didn't think was possible. His "people suck" speech was priceless as was the solution to Peter losing control at the end.

If I saw the preview correctly it looks like I'll be getting my wish with Parkman running into Niki. If I'm not mistaken it ends with him being tossed out a window. Too bad he doesn't bring animal control with him to put her down for good.

Last but not least is the Sylar/Mohinder alliance. Very interesting. What is that saying about the sins of the father being visited upon the son?

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 3:55 AM

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May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Ok, I was wrong on the Nathan being Claire's real dad thing. I just look at Nathan and think he is too young. Guess he and Claire's real mom hooked up when they were teens? I put Nathan in his mid to late thirties. Anyone else think that is about right?

So, we have now seen two couples, both of whom have powers, that have born children who have powers. Interesting.

I wonder why Linderman's flunky sprung Nikki. She got home pretty darn quick. And where was DL? We get no reaction from him? And it seems it was Jessica that came home, not Nikki. Did the shrink screw up and give Jessica the upper hand in control over Nikki's body? What does Linderman stand to gain by getting her freed?

I like Christopher Eggleston's character a lot. I find him way to cynical & antisocial, but he plays the part really well. It does appear that he is having a definite impact on helping Peter learn to control his powers though. I find it interesting that Peter obviously does not need to be in proximity to someone to use their powers, only to have his body "learn" (for lack of a better word) how to use the ability. Apparently he just needs to learn how to access the power and control it. A little wierd there at the end when his eyes clouded over like Issacs and his hands started going invisible. Hopefully he will learn to control them and utilize them. If he does, he has the potential to be the most powerful of all the heroes.

Anyone else see a showdown coming between Peter and Sylar?

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Tuesday, February 6, 2007 4:17 AM

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Ok. Did anyone else notice that when Hiro's dad, played by George Takai, was getting into his limo at the end of their meeting, the license plate number was NCC-1701?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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