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Last night's Lost (spoilers)

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 8:12 AM

KHYRON


Woah dude!

Even Tim Minear wouldn't kill off that many characters at once! It seems to me that if one is female and on the island, having a flashback episode and having sex on the island in that episode are a deadly combination. Of course, if Libby is dead too that theory wouldn't completely work out...

Just when I was starting to like AL.



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Thursday, May 4, 2006 8:40 AM

REGINAROADIE


Yeah, I agree. I like LOST, but I'm not like a dir-hard fanatic for it. Personally, I could care less what the #s mean and what the island is and all the complex mythology attached to it (I always felt the island was the last mystical place left in the world and that it draws people who have something of a mystical or psychic connection). I'm just along for the ride.

But I gotta say my jaw dropped to the ground when Michael first gunned down Ana Lucia (I know a lot of people would have cheered at that moment) and then turned the gun on Libby (No!!! She shouldn't die. Hurly shouldn't be robbed of his one in a million chance of getting laid) and then himself. Although the trailers for next weeks ep kinda ruins it in that we know Mike just shot his arm and not himself leaving Henry to escape.

Although there's some speculation that Libby is still alive and that for some reason people think she's one of The Others (which I think is total crap). Here's hoping Hurly can still get laid.

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 8:44 AM

CALLMESERENITY


OH! I know! Complete shocker! I didn't breathe for about 5 minutes afterwards.

The whole time, something wasn't sitting right with me about Michael, something was definitely not right.

This show is crazy!

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:22 AM

PINGJING


I heard on another message board (straightdope.com, go to the cafe society, then to the Lost thread) that the actress who plays Libby has already signed up for a new tv series or made-for-tv movie, can't remember which. In any case, I'm fairly certain she's dead for that reason.

I'm not sure what Michael's plan is - he seems to be trying to set up the Other dude as the killer, but...what's the point? Kate and Jack were already going after the guns. They were already behind Michael, and he knew that before he decided to do this. I've heard theories that he's an Other himself, but there seemed to be too much anger in his eyes in the last scene for him to be arranging for the Other dude's escape. Plus, he's framing him, so that's not a great escape plan, is it? Any ideas here??

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:39 AM

RIVERGIRL


my though is THE OTHERS brainwashed Michael or are holding Walt hostage or ???????

too complicated to figure out--cant wait for next week

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:40 AM

RIVERGIRL


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:
Woah dude!

Even Tim Minear wouldn't kill off that many characters at once!

maybe not but Joss did----see Serenity

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:42 AM

NOSADSEVEN


Quote:

Originally posted by pingjing:
I'm not sure what Michael's plan is - he seems to be trying to set up the Other dude as the killer, but...what's the point? Kate and Jack were already going after the guns. They were already behind Michael, and he knew that before he decided to do this. I've heard theories that he's an Other himself, but there seemed to be too much anger in his eyes in the last scene for him to be arranging for the Other dude's escape. Plus, he's framing him, so that's not a great escape plan, is it? Any ideas here??

My impression was that he had become an Other, and by framing Henry (and shooting himself) he's secured what Henry couldn't - infiltration into the crash survivors. Michael already fed them whatever information the Others had wanted him to (about the kids, the two guns, etc.), and now they'll just be more motivated to go to war.

Personally, while I found the shootings shocking, I was expecting Michael to be a plant, and I didn't really find the episode, or story all that compelling.

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:48 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by nosadseven:
I was expecting Michael to be a plant, and I didn't really find the episode, or story all that compelling.


I agree, the idea of Michael turning on them wasn't a surprise, but I thought that would be kept as a season 3 arc. That he openly turned on them in the same episode was surprising (usually Lost tries to deceive its viewers for a longer time than that). And like you said, that he shot two of them was a shock.



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Thursday, May 4, 2006 9:49 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


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Well, me & two co-workers talk about Lost all the time, especially on Thursdays. One of them is on all of the Lost message boards & gets all the scoop. So, apparently Michelle Rodriguez, who plays Annalucia (spelling?), only wanted to do the show for one season. So, needing to write her out of the show, they decided to kill off her character, which worked right into the writer's storyline.

Now, as far as Libby (Hurley's love interest) goes, she is NOT dead. She has been signed for another season & one of the episodes next season will center on more backstory for her character. So, somehow she will live. Most likely the blankets she had folded up in front of her will have slowed down the bullets enough to save her or something of that nature.

Also, the scenes from the next episode shows Michael standing with his back against the wall in the armory. The look on his face was one of anger and or contempt. Looks to me like he has been locked up in the armory now that he let "Henry" go. I am assuming that Libby lives & rats him out for what he did to her & Annalucia.

As for Michael's motives, we have come up w/ two that we are favoring. One is that Michael was captured by the Others & they convinced him to spring "Henry" at all costs or he would never see Walt again. That would make him desperate enough to do what he did. The other theory is that he is trying to convince Jack & the rest of the castaways of how dangerous the Others are & manipulate them into attacking the Others to help him spring Walt. This last theory is not really clicking w/ me since Jack, Locke & Kate were already holding a pistol on Sawyer to persuade him to give up the guns to pursue Michael's plan of getting together a force to free the kids in the hatch he described.

Things just took a turn for the interesting. I can't wait for next week's episode.

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Thursday, May 4, 2006 3:41 PM

DITHER


Weren't these two recently in trouble with the law? DUIs? Just coincidence?

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Friday, May 5, 2006 2:50 AM

SOULOFSERENITY

The Man They Call Soul...


Seems like no one is mentioning the Hanso commercial that aired during the episode. Did anyone notice that? They even provided a phone #, which is real: 1-877-HANSORG or 1-877-426-7674.

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Saturday, May 6, 2006 6:43 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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My guess is that Henry is the big Kahuna of the Others. A nice twist seeing as how he was in their midst the whole time.

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Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:12 PM

PINGJING


I missed the commercial (I'm a channel-flipper), but I checked out their website, www.thehansofoundation.org. It's quite a trip. (Two tips: the password for the newsletter is breakingstrain; and if you send Joop a message, watch his reaction when you type in
"persephone.") I called the number a couple of times, but keep getting the message that the circuits are busy.

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Monday, May 8, 2006 4:03 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Dither:
Weren't these two recently in trouble with the law? DUIs? Just coincidence?





Yep, both got in trouble. I believe Michelle Rodriguez was driving and wound up spending a couple days in jail for it.

According to the things I have seen online M.R.'s agent told ABC & JJ Abrahams that she would only do the show for one season, so killing her off seems a pretty effective way of writing her off the show.

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Monday, May 8, 2006 4:04 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by SoulOfSerenity:
Seems like no one is mentioning the Hanso commercial that aired during the episode. Did anyone notice that? They even provided a phone #, which is real: 1-877-HANSORG or 1-877-426-7674.




I saw it & checked out their "website". Just leaves me w/ even more questions then I had before. If that is even possible.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:35 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Now, as far as Libby (Hurley's love interest) goes, she is NOT dead.


At least not at the beginning of the episode...
Quote:

Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
She has been signed for another season & one of the episodes next season will center on more backstory for her character. So, somehow she will live. Most likely the blankets she had folded up in front of her will have slowed down the bullets enough to save her or something of that nature.

Also, the scenes from the next episode shows Michael standing with his back against the wall in the armory. The look on his face was one of anger and or contempt. Looks to me like he has been locked up in the armory now that he let "Henry" go. I am assuming that Libby lives & rats him out for what he did to her & Annalucia.


Well, can't get 'em all right .

It seems like there's also a new website we're meant to check out, sublymonal.com. Did anybody here go there yet? I tried, but all it said is that I need Flash 8 before I can view the site, even though I most definitely have Flash 8 already installed.



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Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:16 AM

ACRAZYIVAN


I'm not so sure that Michael is a plant. I think he had contact with the others, and they said that if he killed Anna Lucia (because they're all mad she killed some of The Others) and let Henry go, they'd give him Walt back. Michael seems to be willing to do pretty much anything to get Walt back. He also left before he got to know Anna Lucia any better than "the woman who trapped me in a pit, and shot Shannon."

Something I didn't see mentioned yet, is that the hatch that Locke and Eko found is recording everything that goes on in the Swan hatch. I have to think they're going to see the video of what Michael did.

Also, though Libby seems pretty dead at this point, we still know she has some backstory and we've never heard it. Also what someone said about her signing on for another season is odd, seeing as how I think we saw her take her last breath last night.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:31 AM

KHYRON


Quote:

Originally posted by ACrazyIvan:
I'm not so sure that Michael is a plant. I think he had contact with the others, and they said that if he killed Anna Lucia (because they're all mad she killed some of The Others) and let Henry go, they'd give him Walt back. Michael seems to be willing to do pretty much anything to get Walt back.


Without wanting to enter into a discussion about the definition of a "plant", the scenario you described (which I find plausible) qualifies as michael being a plant in my book.
Quote:

Originally posted by ACrazyIvan:
Something I didn't see mentioned yet, is that the hatch that Locke and Eko found is recording everything that goes on in the Swan hatch. I have to think they're going to see the video of what Michael did.


I thought this at first too, but remember that Locke had to turn on the power in the Pearl when they came in. Any recording devices would need power to run, so I doubt the event was recorded. Also, it's very possible that the Pearl was unmanned when the shootings happened (they happened the evening before), so it wouldn't have been recorded even in the notebooks that were there.

Next week will be Michael-centric, apparently focussing on his foray into the jungle. Hopefully it'll answer more questions than it raises (knowing Lost, it won't).



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Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:05 AM

FOLLOWMAL




Hey folks, my daughter is a really big Lost fan, do any of you have the link to the Lost forum?
I was hoping to be able to link her.

Also I sent her the link to this thread.



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Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:09 AM

ACRAZYIVAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:

I thought this at first too, but remember that Locke had to turn on the power in the Pearl when they came in. Any recording devices would need power to run, so I doubt the event was recorded. Also, it's very possible that the Pearl was unmanned when the shootings happened (they happened the evening before), so it wouldn't have been recorded even in the notebooks that were there.



Ah, right you are. I had thought he just needed to power up the lights, but there had been a shot of the TV screens earlier.

So, unless the cameras record on a separate paower source, maybe there is no video record of what Michael did.

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:16 AM

KHYRON


The only forums I know of are the ones at ABC: http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/boards.html, and the one at IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/board/threads/
One has to be registered to post on both of them, and for the IMDb forum one has to be registered to even view the forum.

I don't think they're that great, a lot of stupid people and trolls are there, but I only started going to Lost forums recently (about two episodes ago, once the current season started getting good), so I haven't had time to explore around looking for some decent ones.



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Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:20 AM

FOLLOWMAL


Thanks Khyron I'll share those with her and encourage her to come and talk to you in this thread.. you seem to be having a pretty rousing discussion, she'll probably want to join in.


I appreciate it.


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Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:56 AM

KHYRON


Yeah, would be cool if you could get your daughter to join, it seems like there aren't too many broancoats that are also Lost fans.

Which is strange, since there are some similarities. A show about a bunch of people with for the most part seemingly very little in common, stuck together for better of worse as they try to survive in their inhospitable surroundings. That, plus the character development, are some fo the ingredients that make both Firefly and Lost so appealling to me. Lost is nowhere near as good, of course, but it's still entertaining (even if incredibly frustrating at times).



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Friday, May 12, 2006 1:10 AM

PATSRULE


Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:

It seems like there's also a new website we're meant to check out, sublymonal.com. Did anybody here go there yet? I tried, but all it said is that I need Flash 8 before I can view the site, even though I most definitely have Flash 8 already installed.



I checked it out. There are 6 green computer screens, and you hit each screen several times (corresponding with the 4 8 15 16 23 42 numbers). This gives you the code: (Heir Apparent) and sends you back to the Hanso website. I won't spoil the rest of it just yet.

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