FIREFLY EPISODE DISCUSSIONS

Zoe & Wash's Last Name

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 2:05 PM

SAINTOFCHEESE


oo.. candles. We should all create big firefly shrines with lots of shiny candles. But i shouldn't be allowed near them, since i'm well known for catching my hair on fire.

Either that or we could just use the candles to erm... avenge our show by lighting Fox on fire? (hey.. i did rip up a fox add in a local paper. My friends wanted to kill me for being obsessive, but it made me feel better. Maybe next time i'll burn the adds and catch my hair on fire.)

~*Saint of Cheese*~

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 2:52 PM

SARAHETC


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Originally posted by Talrius:
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Originally posted by Sarahetc:

And I'm hear, every day. Lighting candles and posting.

And thinking Browncoat thoughts.



Me too, only not with the lighting candles thing. What is it with women and the candles anyway?



Your poor testosterone-warped heart would never understand.

Actually, I don't physically light candles. It's a metaphoric reference to the religious (Catholic) lighting of candles for prayer.

I have a couple candles around the house, mostly just for looks. Haven't burnt them in earnest since college and that was just to cover up the smell of the... you know.

Meanwhile, last names and love affairs!

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 4:40 PM

TALRIUS


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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
It's a metaphoric reference to the religious (Catholic) lighting of candles for prayer.



You Catholic?

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Haven't burnt them in earnest since college and that was just to cover up the smell of the... you know.


Ah, but you didn't inhale, right?

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Meanwhile, last names and love affairs!


Alright I'll confide something with you, (and everyone else reading this post). I am absolutely in love with Jewel Staite and Kaylee too. Got my own fantasy goin'. Everyone's got one.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:05 PM

SARAHETC


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Originally posted by Talrius:

You Catholic?



Used to be. And may be again soon.

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Ah, but you didn't inhale, right?
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What me, inhale?

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Alright I'll confide something with you, (and everyone else reading this post). I am absolutely in love with Jewel Staite and Kaylee too. Got my own fantasy goin'. Everyone's got one.


In my fantasy, I can't get past the part where we run toward each other like a movie from the 70s and embrace, practically weeping with joy.

How big a goober am I, that my movie star fantasies stop at hugging. Well, there'll probably be compliments too.

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 5:28 PM

KAYTHRYN


Sarah,
You're not a goober. Well maybe you are, but it doesn’t sound like a bad thing to be. Goobers are chocolate covered peanuts right? Yummy. Anyway, your fantasy is your fantasy. I've got a few that end with hugs... and other stuff. There's an interesting thread. What's your firefly fantasy?

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:12 PM

SARAHETC


I am a goober. I'm a big geek.

Maybe I'm just lame. Maybe I'm insecure and egomaniacal and....

Yow. Somebody was talking about pie. Let's have that and hugging and compliments!

Kaythryn, what's your fantasy?

Let me try:

"Excuse me, Doc?" Kaythryn hung on the door to the infirmary, looking paler than normal.

"Yes?" Doctor Tam turned, stylus still in hand from where he had been making notes.

"It's nothing, really," Kaythryn tried to step over the threshhold but began to sway. In a flash, Simon was next to her, supporting her. "It's just, it's this stupid knee is all. Turned it the other day and it's only getting worse."

"Let me see," he said, leading her to the examination table. In one practiced motion he swept up her pants leg, revealing a harshly bruised knee.

"I've seen worse," he grinned up at her, dark eyes flashing.

"Oh yeah?"

"Yes." He touched her shin and electricity sizzled up and down her leg. He grinned, his lips slightly lopsided, looking boyish.

...

Okay... really got to stop. Really getting out of hand.



I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:20 PM

PHILOMEL


Now I have to confess my fantasy??? Now there's a fantasy confessional thread?? No one ever told me I'd have to confess ....

Argh!!!

Incidentally, I subscribe to the Washington theory. I realize it's boring, but I'm kind of the boring type, and while I like the idea of a nickname, I woulda thunk his wife would call him by his actual name.

As for Jerry Lee? If he had said it, I just assumed Jerry Lee was a reference to some hotshot famous pilot, and Mal was congratulating him--y'know, like if you were ... I dunno, like, if you were a hockey player, and your captain referred to you as Gretzky, even though your name was really Ben.

Um, I'm getting those looks, kinda like I'm speaking in Riverspeak. I'll go 'way now and be quiet. Maybe I'll hunt rabbits. Or light a candle .

Phil. (lurking like mad while watching the Oscars and enjoying every bit)

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:24 PM

PHILOMEL


Oh, cool, we can create fantasies for others? Neat! I like that!!

And Sarah, the geeks rule the earth. Nothing wrong with being a geek, nothing at all! Best people I know. :-)

Phil. (a geek)

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:43 PM

KAYTHRYN


Sarah,
Oh...
*Fans herself with a nearby book*
Yup, you've made me blush and go weak in the knees. In other words- yeah, that was my fantasy. Can’t...write...to preoccupied... with...Dr. Tam’s... dark eyes and... boyish smile. I’ll be in my bunk.

-Hey, and if geeks write the kind of stories I know you Sarah, and you Philomel to write, well then more power to you!


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Sunday, March 23, 2003 6:59 PM

TALRIUS


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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
How big a goober am I, that my movie star fantasies stop at hugging. Well, there'll probably be compliments too.



That's just means you're not as perverted as others, myself included w/ those pervs. I fantasize about being a big damn hero and Kaylee fawns over me. And maybe Summer Glau too, not in River Character though, always been partial to dancers. See if I keep goin' the whole female cast will be in my fantasy, told you I was a perv.

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Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:07 PM

TALRIUS


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Originally posted by Philomel:
Nothing wrong with being a geek, nothing at all! Best people I know. :-)



Of course there's nothing wrong with being a geek.
We rule the universe, jocks ruled in high school and Geeks rule after. That whole, "These are the best years of your life" rubbish was just an angry Cheerleader mad that she was no longer on top. Sorry still holding on to some animosity from high school.

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Phil. (a geek)


Hey another Phil, been a long time since I've seen that name, besides on my personal documents.

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Monday, March 24, 2003 12:23 PM

SARAHETC


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Originally posted by Talrius:

Of course there's nothing wrong with being a geek.
We rule the universe, jocks ruled in high school and Geeks rule after. That whole, "These are the best years of your life" rubbish was just an angry Cheerleader mad that she was no longer on top. Sorry still holding on to some animosity from high school.



I'm sure it's legitimate animosity man. I did videography for a prom Saturday night and wow--strange all over. Eerie-ass, even.

Got to reinforcing my general thought that I won't go to a HS reunion. I was a band-star trek-drama-chessclub geek and Browncoats, at BHS it did not get much geekier than that.

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Monday, March 24, 2003 1:18 PM

TALRIUS


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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Got to reinforcing my general thought that I won't go to a HS reunion.



You and me both. Why would I want to see a bunch of people I really didn't care about when I was in High School? Call me crazy but, it's a bit like sticking bamboo shutes in the finger nails not an experience one would desire.

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:30 PM

TALRIUS


Hey Sarah,

Can I use you as a beta reader for my fan fic?

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:55 PM

SARAHETC


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Originally posted by Talrius:

Can I use you as a beta reader for my fan fic?



Yes. If you promise to be a man about it and not cry when I tell you that there's a difference between "to" and "too."

Email's in the profile. Send as a microsoft word attachment if you please. My turnaround time is usually pretty good, but expect 7 days just to be on the safe side. It'll depend on whether or not I'm making much headway with the new BC.



I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:31 PM

TALRIUS


Thank you Sarah.

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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Yes. If you promise to be a man about it and not cry when I tell you that there's a difference between "to" and "too."



No problem with that, I want both barrels, kinda a prefectionist.

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My turnaround time is usually pretty good, but expect 7 days just to be on the safe side.


I'm nearing the end of my first part, of four. So in a couple of days expect to see it in your box. I warn you though it's gonna be dark and violent, but I'm planning major character development with River and Mal.

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 11:16 AM

INVISIBLEGREEN


I read an Angel article recently mentioning that Gina played "Zoe Warren" on Firefly, so I guess its true. But if they never actually used the name in the series, you can't really take it for granted.

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:40 PM

RIVERSIDE


>Sarahetc wrote:
>Got to reinforcing my general thought that I >won't go to a HS reunion. I was a band-star trek->drama-chessclub geek and Browncoats, at BHS it >did not get much geekier than that.

My 10 yr. came up last year...did not even cross my mind to go. Not only was I a chessclub/star treak/heavy metal/stephen king weirdo...but my friends and I started our own club...The Sci-Fi Fantasy Horror club, which incorporated all the geek interests in literature, movie and gaming forms....not so affectionately known by the general populace of the school as The Satanist Club. They just didn't get us. ;-)
As for the topic of this thread I never saw any hint of any name but Wash in the series..although for awhile I thought they were saying Walsh...wrong, but there ya go.

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:51 PM

WILDMAN45690


I've watched that ep several times and to be honest with you at different times I'd swear I've heard both "Kaylee" and "Jerry Lee". Even if Wash's given name is Jerry Lee it's obvious that he prefers Wash and Wash he is.


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Sunday, April 20, 2003 2:02 PM

WILDMAN45690


So I'm not the only one who has heard both "Kaylee" and "Jerry Lee" in OMR. Guess I'm not going crazy after all!!

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:45 PM

SARAHETC


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Originally posted by wildman45690:
So I'm not the only one who has heard both "Kaylee" and "Jerry Lee" in OMR. Guess I'm not going crazy after all!!



Nope. You're very slowly going very sane. Maybe even cheerful land sane. It's the opposite of tragic space dementia.

Thank you for being on the side of right and truth. I've said it before and I'll say it as often as the heathens need to hear it: Jerry Lee my foot!

Now for the pie and hugging?

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:17 PM

TALRIUS


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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Nope. You're very slowly going very sane. Maybe even cheerful land sane. It's the opposite of tragic space dementia.



Being insane is better than being sane.

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I've said it before and I'll say it as often as the heathens need to hear it: Jerry Lee my foot!


One thing you must know about Sarah she'll never accept Jerry Lee. I'd bet she'd go toe-to-toe with Joss; if the name is real, and convince him to change it.

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:21 PM

TALRIUS


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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
I've said it before and I'll say it as often as the heathens need to hear it: Jerry Lee my foot!



Heathens?! Sarah? You're calling us heathens now? NO pie. Maybe a hug, but absolutly No pie. Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:58 PM

KAYTHRYN


Talrius,
I was going to offer you Goddom. A divine rank with Kayt, the goddess of polka-dotted Easter eggs, and Wulf (who has yet to decide on his holiday). But since you are denying pie to Sarah, I have to revoke my offer. I’m sorry.

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 8:02 PM

LERXST


For what it's worth, it sounds to me like he said Kaylee Lee. I'm thinking it was just a little verbal slip that made it past editing.

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Sunday, April 20, 2003 8:06 PM

KAYTHRYN


Isn't kaylee's middle name "Lee"?

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Monday, April 21, 2003 5:52 AM

TALRIUS


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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
Isn't kaylee's middle name "Lee"?



Kaywinnit Lee Frye.

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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
I was going to offer you Goddom. A divine rank with Kayt, the goddess of polka-dotted Easter eggs, and Wulf (who has yet to decide on his holiday). But since you are denying pie to Sarah, I have to revoke my offer. I’m sorry.



Kaythryn, I already have Goddom.

As the self proclaimed pie god of Washington state (See earlier post between me and Sarah, above.)I felt I'd withhold her pie so she could think on her actions. I admit, I'm in the wrong and Sarah's pie will be returned to her promtly. Maybe I'll send her one, but it might end up all smush-ed by the time it reaches her in Alabama.

Still, heathens? That was kinda harsh.






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Monday, April 21, 2003 8:16 PM

TALRIUS


Hmm.

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Monday, April 21, 2003 8:33 PM

TALRIUS


JERRY LEE WARREN, YEAH.

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Friday, May 16, 2003 7:46 AM

DUTCH


I'm sorry, but whenever I hear the name Warren, one quote springs to mind..

"Have you seen my baseball?"

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Friday, May 16, 2003 9:02 AM

KYOBONITSUKI


i think you're all crazy to get this worked up over his name.

imdb does its cast posts from production material - that makes it as official as anything we have.

the only way to undo that would be a conflicting statement in the show - which isn't happening any time soon.

jerry lee warren - yeah it's a crappy name - but he's a texan - `least the actor is, and texans often have crappy names. that's why he goes by wash.

maybe he was adirty kid. looked like a surfer when he came on board - maybe he eschewed the shower until mal got pissed and yelled at him to "wash!"

least thats my theory.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

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Friday, May 16, 2003 9:47 AM

CAPTBAGGYTROUSERS


Yeah, not a big deal either way. I feel that anything that's not said on the show itself isn't necessarily canon. IMDB is good, but not infallible by any means.

If "Jerry Lee Warren" were correct it would mean Wash and Kaywinnit Lee "Kaylee" Frye have the same middle name. That's a little odd, but not that unlikely a choice since Anglo and Chinese cultures dominate in the "New West."

Kaylee is my favorite character too, by the way. Not just because I have a huge crush on her.

That is a factor, however.

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Friday, May 16, 2003 10:24 AM

KYOBONITSUKI


yeah - sux that she got/is getting hitched.

hopefully it won't last and she'll be all heart broken and needy. well of course - meeting her in a social setting might prove useful as well.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

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Friday, May 16, 2003 10:40 AM

SARAHETC


Y'all can try to turn this into a "Kaylee is Hot" thread all you like but it does not change the fact that Wash's full actual name is not Jerry Lee Warren.

It's not. Why're you still arguin' what already been decided?

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Friday, May 16, 2003 3:19 PM

KAYTHRYN


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Posted by Kyobonitsuki:
i think you're all crazy to get this worked up over his name.



Uh... you’re crazy too then.

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Friday, May 16, 2003 3:19 PM

KAYTHRYN


Sorry, double post.

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Friday, May 16, 2003 3:28 PM

TALRIUS


I just thought I was going crazy.

And why the hell can't we change this into a 'Hot for Kaylee' thread? If this Jerry Lee Warren business has already been decided on then why can't this thread evolve into a Kaylee obsession?

And yeah it sucks that she's out of the sea.... I wish her the best.

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

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Friday, May 16, 2003 3:34 PM

KAYTHRYN


I have no problem with this turning into a Simon lusting thread.

...hello? Hello? Come on. I can't be the only one out there.

Fine, 'Hot for Kaylee' thread. Where's HFK, he's the expert on this topic.

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Friday, May 16, 2003 3:37 PM

TALRIUS


Why can't it be both?

I'm antsy in anticipation for the specially natured 'Message' episode. I might be thinkin' Simon and Kaylee moment.

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DOBSON: I'm supposed to be meeting my wife's sister. I've only got a few days to see her...

ZOE: I wish there was another way...

DOBSON: Oh, no, no. That woman is like a dragon. I mean, I believe she has a tail. If there's any other moons we need to visit, or if we could just
fly very slowly...

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Friday, May 16, 2003 5:26 PM

KYOBONITSUKI


you are right it has been decided - his name is jerry lee warren - great balls of fire!

it's in the production material apparently as it's been quoted that way in more than one place.

sorry it's so important for you to not accept this - and as he doesn't really exist it's really moot.

jerry lee warren jerry lee warren jerry lee warren jerry lee warren.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

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Friday, May 16, 2003 6:47 PM

KAYTHRYN


Quote:

Posted by Kyobonitsuki:
you are right it has been decided - his name is jerry lee warren - great balls of fire!



Oh no. You question. You believe his name to be Jerry Lee Warren. Oh no! Everyone duck and cower under their desks! I feel the great wrath of Sarahetc coming this way! Run!

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it's in the production material apparently as it's been quoted that way in more than one place.


I want proof! Let me see it.

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sorry it's so important for you to not accept this - and as he doesn't really exist it's really moot.


You are so undeniably right. But I enjoy dully arguing something that really has no importance over a topic that makes everyone upset and seeing red such as from the thread that “shall not be mentioned”.


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Friday, May 30, 2003 9:31 PM

JIMMYJAMES


Hi all just joined and i just wanted to say i just watched OMR and to me Mal clearly says "Kaylee". i have the episode on my comp here and i listened to it over and over. sounded like Kaylee every time.


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Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:56 AM

SARAHETC


Quote:

Originally posted by JimmyJames:
Hi all just joined and i just wanted to say i just watched OMR and to me Mal clearly says "Kaylee". i have the episode on my comp here and i listened to it over and over. sounded like Kaylee every time.



My man JimmyJames here is onto something!

But I have an idea of how to fix this situation. Got tiny little beginning of a correspondence with Lux, who as y'all may know, has hung out with Adam and Alan. So, I'll see if I can get this question of questions slipped in there. If he's even allowed to tell....

Sarah

I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case

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Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:43 AM

MSCKAREN


I heard "Jerry Lee" and thought it was hilarious! Jerry Lee Lewis was a wild and crazy rock and roll man. This suits my image of Wash just fine.

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Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:44 AM

TALRIUS


I have OMR on my computer right now and I keep listening to that scene over and over again. I hear "Jerry Lee" (very clearly); however, I'm now convinced that the statment Mal makes is directed at Kaylee. Mainly so because of her following line. But he does say "Jerry Lee". Perhaps a blooper?

Though, I do agree with Matt, the character is fictional. I'm thinkin' some people are developing an unhealthy attachment. Star Trek fanatics come to mind.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 9:46 AM

SCOTTI


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So you dig Harrison? I disagree with you on Broznin he has that suaveity(Not a real word) that is Bond, he just hasn't had a good script to express it. Broznin fits the profile to a 'T'.



I've never been much of a fan of the Bond films, but loved the books, and I agree with you Talrius. I never would have thought of Brosnin as James Bond, but I think he's done a good job of it, and hopefully he'll get a script that will prove us right.

By way of backing my opinion, I can tell you almost the exact moment I thought he was a good James Bond. I don't remember which movie it was, but I think it was the first one he was in. There was a firefight going on, lots of automatic weapons fire, and Bond was behind cover, reloading his weapon. While he's looking down at the weapon, a bullet ricochets off the wall, and he just tilts his head away, still looking down at what he's doing.

THAT, my friends, is James Bond.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 12:40 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


I couldn't figure out what was wrong with you people, Jerry does not sound like Kay. So after Realone crashed my computer many times despite my attempted fixes the file magically opened with a different program despite the fact it wouldn't give me that option before.

And I listened, expecting to hear Kaylee. Sorry, he says Jerry Lee. JERRY. Not Kay, JERRY. I wish that I had noticed it the first time around. It could be a slip on Nathan Fillion’s part, or a slip on Mals part, or a slip on Nathan’s part left to be explained as a slip on Mal’s part. Or it could be that Wash’s name is Jerry Lee, regardless that is what was said.

The way the camera is used implies that Mal was talking to Wash

Wash: We got it! (Mal regards Wash, and the console around him) It’s not pretty but we can steer enough to turn the hell around.
Mal(Facing directly at Wash, head pointed to him, eyes on him): Nice work Jerry Lee.
Close shot of Wash, hugged by Zoe.
Camera goes to Kaylee: Wasn't soon enough to help.
Mal (turns to Kaylee, while looking at her and putting hand on her shoulder): Hey, lot easier to pull things apart than it is to make em’ right. You're still the best damn Mechanic floating.

Sorry guys but he was talking to Wash, you can say that it was just Nathan messing up, but he said Jerry Lee, and he said it to Wash.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2003 3:23 PM

KAYTHRYN


Quote:

Posted by christhecynic:
Sorry guys but he was talking to Wash, you can say that it was just Nathan messing up, but he said Jerry Lee, and he said it to Wash.



Wrong. I wouldn't argue this point any further except that I've got something else to say... but I'll get to that in a minute. P.s. Why do people keep bringing up these annoying ass posts?

For Chris, I don’t have the computer download version of OMR, but I do have the possibly higher quality DVD version from TRS and damn it, I’m listening to it right now, so here is what I’m seeing.


Wash: We got it! (Mal looks around at the working consoles) It’s not pretty but we can steer enough to turn the hell around.
Mal (He is facing forward looking at the working console as Kaylee walks into his line of vision--in front of his and a little to the side-- pulling off her work gloves): Nice work Kaylee.
Close shot of Wash, hugged by Zoë. (Mal congratulated Kaylee, as Zoë is congratulating her husband)
Camera goes to Kaylee as : Wasn't soon enough to help.
Mal (turns to Kaylee, while looking at her and putting hand on her shoulder): Hey, lot easier to pull things apart than it is to make em’ right. You're still the best damn Mechanic floating. (He kisses her)


Now, why would our sweet Kaylee say “it wasn’t soon enough to help” if she didn’t think it was her fault that she fixed it late? She is to nice to say anything mean about it being Wash’s fault and him not getting it fixed “soon enough to help”. So, if she said that in reference to herself then Mal must of said “good work” to Kaylee. Also, Wash was probably pushing buttons and waiting for the console stuff to turn on as Kaylee worked on the mechanical parts that needed fixed shown by her pulling off the work gloves after, I‘m guessing, working under the console, and the fact that she is the mechanic and all.

Okay, second part. To make a long story short, I was thinking about Zoë and Wash’s relationship today and was wondering if anyone knew, or had any good guesses on how long Zoë and Wash had been married as of “Serenity“. I was thinking about the kind of arguments they’ve have and I can’t decide if they’ve been married for a pretty long while, or if they’re pretty new to each other. I’m just curious.

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Thursday, June 5, 2003 6:50 AM

CHRISTHECYNIC


I wouldn't respond but you asked. We know that Wash works on his own console, as he is shown doing it before Kaylee is hired. Wash is the one who sets up a push button call us home signal (Out of Gas), and Wash is the one who modifies a beacon (Out of Gas). All of this says that he can work with mechanical/electronic things, and that he does.

Further Wash says “we” did it, meaning him and Kaylee. Once again, look at where Mal is facing, he is looking right at Wash when he says, “Nice work.” Mal makes no indication that he sees Kaylee until she says, “Not soon enough to help.” Sorry but if he says, "Kaylee," it’s hilarious because the truth is that he is speaking to Wash, he would also be doing a lousy job of pronouncing it.

Note how he turns to the person to whom he is speaking, he turns to Kaylee when he speaks to her. I can’t think of an instance in which he does not face the person he is talking to unless there is a pressing reason not to (the only ones of those I’ve noticed is when he is holding a gun on someone else, or someone is holding a gun on him.) Show me one, go ahead, find a place where he is facing in another direction, or looking at someone other than the person he is speaking to. Remember one in which his life or others doesn’t depend on looking somewhere else wouldn't qualify.

You said you have a good quality version, look at his eyes, he is looking right at Wash.

Now I can accept (with difficulty) that Nathan messed up, but the show supersedes the script, so he said it, and now it’s Wash’s name unless something else comes along to replace it.

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Thursday, June 5, 2003 7:51 AM

SHINY


Ok, I just watched/listened to that scene about 10 times from the download here: http://versaphile.com/download/firefly.html
and Mal definitely says "Kaylee"...if you listen carefully you can absolutely make out the "K" sound. Now perhaps there are other copies of this floating around somewhere with a slightly different quality audio or something that makes it harder to make out, but this version is quite clear.

p.s. 100th post in this thread! Woo-hoo! ;)

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