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Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 3:08 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: https://www.movieinsider.com/movies/2024 This is what 2024 is looking like, there are few that may be worth a look. Any bets on which will be the big ones? That could be fun. Archiving that list before the new year starts and everybody give their top 10 picks for either worldwide gross or ww gross vs production budget (profitability). We couldn't predict when new movies would break up that schedule or when movies were pushed off until 2025 or later, but with the archive backup we'd know which movies weren't on the list when we all made our guesses. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face. Joker 2, Ghostbusters 4 and Deadpool 3 will likely do well, they have built in fan bases, there may be some surprises.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: https://www.movieinsider.com/movies/2024 This is what 2024 is looking like, there are few that may be worth a look. Any bets on which will be the big ones? That could be fun. Archiving that list before the new year starts and everybody give their top 10 picks for either worldwide gross or ww gross vs production budget (profitability). We couldn't predict when new movies would break up that schedule or when movies were pushed off until 2025 or later, but with the archive backup we'd know which movies weren't on the list when we all made our guesses. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: https://www.movieinsider.com/movies/2024 This is what 2024 is looking like, there are few that may be worth a look.
Quote:The Fall Guy looks like fun, it may do well. BUT, 2024 is an election year, I'm sure somebody will shoot their mouth off chase off some audience members.
Tuesday, December 26, 2023 3:15 PM
Thursday, December 28, 2023 2:08 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, December 28, 2023 2:16 AM
Thursday, December 28, 2023 9:02 AM
WHOZIT
Thursday, December 28, 2023 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: I think the studios learned a lesson in 2023.
Thursday, December 28, 2023 10:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: I think the studios learned a lesson in 2023.I don't think they have learned. In 1925, Herman Mankiewicz (“Citizen Kane”) sent a telegram to his friend Ben Hecht, the playwright, trying to lure him from New York to Los Angeles. “Millions are to be grabbed out here and your only competition is idiots,” he wrote, adding, “Don’t let this get around.” 1925 is long ago, but the competition is still idiots. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, December 28, 2023 11:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: In 1925 the film industry was still a NEW industry and growing, now they're looking at merging and maybe selling off divisions. I still believe there will be major changes in the film and TV industry in 2024, they don't have the money to throw around anymore.
Thursday, December 28, 2023 12:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: In 1925 the film industry was still a NEW industry and growing, now they're looking at merging and maybe selling off divisions. I still believe there will be major changes in the film and TV industry in 2024, they don't have the money to throw around anymore.Did you know there is an article titled: 15 Movies That Bankrupted Their Studios? That is how business has always worked. The most incompetent die and most business leaders are incompetent and very much deserve what misfortune happens to their businesses. The bad ones survive only because they are lucky. Eventually, their lucky streak ends and they die. https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/643698/movies-that-bankrupted-studios Animation companies also die. https://collider.com/animation-companies-that-are-no-longer-with-us/ Even The Walt Disney Company almost died because of Pinocchio. Pinocchio won Oscars but that won't pay the bills. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinocchio_(1940_film)#Box_office There is so much more about the survival of the fittest businesses at Movie studios that no longer exist: https://www.google.com/search?q=movie+studios+that+no+longer+exist The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, December 28, 2023 4:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: In this years case it's a LIST of flops, not just one. The reason the industry is in the bind they are today is because of bad management, they can't blame COVID for the list of flops this year, they put out poorly written woke crap the fan base didn't want to see. They're making woke crap for an audience that has no interest in Sci-Fi or Super Hero flicks or TV shows. PLUS, they insult the fan base when they refuse to see OR, go to see their crap and give it bad reviews on twitter or their YOUTUBE channel. This is why I'm sure they'll be major changes in 2024, possibly a blood bath.
Thursday, December 28, 2023 5:41 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Saturday, December 30, 2023 6:26 PM
Sunday, December 31, 2023 10:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: In this years case it's a LIST of flops, not just one. The reason the industry is in the bind they are today is because of bad management, they can't blame COVID for the list of flops this year, they put out poorly written woke crap the fan base didn't want to see. They're making woke crap for an audience that has no interest in Sci-Fi or Super Hero flicks or TV shows. PLUS, they insult the fan base when they refuse to see OR, go to see their crap and give it bad reviews on twitter or their YOUTUBE channel. This is why I'm sure they'll be major changes in 2024, possibly a blood bath.What Hollywood needs is more executives who will say to directors: "Killers of Flower Moon is the perfect example of a movie that should NOT be made." It cost $200 M and sold only $156 M in tickets. Sure thing that director Martin Scorsese and cast are all famous, but so what? Scorsese has a remarkable ability to spend too much money. He has forgotten how to economize. Hollywood makes movies for money. Screw Art with a Capital A. No Hollywood exec should have approved spending $200 M for such a minor work of art, no matter how good the script is or how many weeks it was a best seller on the New York Times Non-fiction book list (147 weeks and counting). https://web.archive.org/web/20231215170153/https://www.nytimes.com/books/best-sellers/paperback-nonfiction/ https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Killers-of-the-Flower-Moon-(2023)#tab=summary https://www.metacritic.com/movie/killers-of-the-flower-moon/ https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/killers_of_the_flower_moon
Monday, January 1, 2024 8:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: And all of them are at a severe disadvantage to movies like Five Nights at Freddy's that only needed to make $50 Million, or M3GAN that only needed to make $30 Million to break even.
Quote:While any sci-fi extravaganza naturally features copious digital effects, Snyder also used his estimated budget of at least $166 million to manifest as much of it in real life as possible. In a Santa Clarita canyon just outside Los Angeles, a full-size abandoned starfighter decays not far from what appears to be an idyllic Scandinavian-style village, complete with clusters of homes, shops, and barns, as well as a stone bridge arching over a crystalline river. (Team Snyder also built the river.) Vast fields of actual wheat sprout from desert hardpan never meant for such lush growth, but Snyder insisted on real crops for his farmers to harvest and defend. Just over the rocky hillside sits another Rebel Moon set for a larger community known as Providence that looks like an Old West metropolis. All of these are just locations on the moon of the title; there are other worlds beyond.
Quote:“I’m a glutton for punishment. I don’t know why I always make an ensemble movie. I can’t wait to not do that. But in the meantime, of course…I love it,” Snyder says. He feels that constructing his worlds in real life makes the otherworldly feel more immersive. “This movie was me going, ‘Of course it’s a space opera, but let’s not lens it that way. Let’s lens it in a more intimate way, so that the sci-fi elements feel more grounded.’ We’re not always saying, ‘Look at how big our spaceships are or how weird our planets look!’ That happens, but it happens as an organic part of the world you’re in. You’re there, and so the things you see on that journey are not forced upon you or spoon-fed to you.” Snyder shares these thoughts while sitting in a tavern built on the port city set, sweating profusely as he directs a gunfight sequence. A network of overhead pipes creates a thunderstorm that transforms the desert dust into pools of sticky mud while the heroes and villains blast at each other. When we spoke last summer, Rebel Moon was about halfway through principal photography, with more than three months to go. Snyder couldn’t have looked giddier. After an excruciating, combative experience building the DC superhero universe for Warner Bros. — and then seeing it scrapped — Snyder has finally found a studio that has given him epic trust to match its epic funding.
Monday, January 1, 2024 5:48 PM
Monday, January 1, 2024 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Yup. Lot of hoo rah out there about how Netflix "won" the streaming wars this week. Personally, I don't see it. Being the one unprofitable company in an unprofitable market that was less unprofitable than everyone else was doesn't look like a win to me.
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Monday, January 1, 2024 8:37 PM
Tuesday, January 2, 2024 6:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: "Diversity" isn't the problem. Its the lazy and insulting way that the people they hired on in the last decade that is the problem. It makes the self-hating, white, pink haired lefties on Twitter happy, but it pisses off everyone else, even the minorities they're supposedly doing all of it for.
Tuesday, January 2, 2024 6:16 AM
Tuesday, January 2, 2024 10:53 AM
Quote:Why do you make such big deal out of Hollywood’s trouble but not BBBY’s?
Tuesday, January 2, 2024 12:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Why do you make such big deal out of Hollywood’s trouble but not BBBY’s? Because this is the Cinema board, dipshit. Not the wine mom thread. BBBY and the fat loser piece of shit diversity hire Amy Hauk that also brought Victoria's Secret down got their knocks from me in the RWED boards. I don't know how you would wokify Bed Bath and Beyond, but that useless piece of shit probably figured out a way to do it.
Tuesday, January 2, 2024 3:38 PM
Wednesday, January 3, 2024 8:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I'm refusing to take this conversation any further with you because your opinion on this, as on anything, is of no benefit to anybody else.
Wednesday, January 3, 2024 11:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Essentially because of Trump's politics, you despise present-day Hollywood, but Hollywood has made thousands of movies before recent movies became politically unacceptable, exceptions for Joker and Top Gun Maverick.
Quote:Why not just watch an old movie and let modern-day Hollywood go bankrupt?
Quote:And if you want to make some money from Hollywood's slow death, short-sell the stocks connected to Hollywood:
Quote:To end on a more positive note, Hollywood is selling fewer tickets because the same movie will be streaming a month after it opens in the theater. Which would you prefer? See a movie for free on your 4k TV? Or travel long distances, pay inflated prices for tickets and snacks, and impatiently watch twenty minutes of advertisement in a theater before the show starts? Such a difficult decision to make about the Magic of the Movies.
Wednesday, January 3, 2024 6:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I'm refusing to take this conversation any further with you because your opinion on this, as on anything, is of no benefit to anybody else.Essentially because of Trump's politics, you despise present-day Hollywood, but Hollywood has made thousands of movies before recent movies became politically unacceptable, exceptions for Joker and Top Gun Maverick. Why not just watch an old movie and let modern-day Hollywood go bankrupt? And if you want to make some money from Hollywood's slow death, short-sell the stocks connected to Hollywood: Wall Street "short sellers" are often cast as villains. They make money when most others are losing it — that is, when stock prices fall. https://www.npr.org/2021/02/15/966877259/wall-street-short-sellers-hated-for-centuries To end on a more positive note, Hollywood is selling fewer tickets because the same movie will be streaming a month after it opens in the theater. Which would you prefer? See a movie for free on your 4k TV? Or travel long distances, pay inflated prices for tickets and snacks, and impatiently watch twenty minutes of advertisement in a theater before the show starts? Such a difficult decision to make about the Magic of the Movies. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, January 3, 2024 7:35 PM
Wednesday, January 3, 2024 7:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: It's when you write things like this that I don't even understand what your point is, because I'm pretty sure that you don't understand what your point is. If you're making the claim once again that Leftist Agenda isn't what is killing Hollywood, I'll point out the OP in this thread to you once again where it shows a list of all the top studios and how much a company like Disney who couldn't put out anything that wasn't stuffed full of it lost, compared to a company like Universal who is going to end up the year in the black almost as much as Disney ended the year in the Red. The numbers themselves don't lie, and they easily destroy any narrative that it wasn't Leftist politics that turned audiences away.
Wednesday, January 3, 2024 9:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: It's when you write things like this that I don't even understand what your point is, because I'm pretty sure that you don't understand what your point is. If you're making the claim once again that Leftist Agenda isn't what is killing Hollywood, I'll point out the OP in this thread to you once again where it shows a list of all the top studios and how much a company like Disney who couldn't put out anything that wasn't stuffed full of it lost, compared to a company like Universal who is going to end up the year in the black almost as much as Disney ended the year in the Red. The numbers themselves don't lie, and they easily destroy any narrative that it wasn't Leftist politics that turned audiences away. It is NOT politics that makes these movie failures crappy.
Quote:I've got no qualms about the politics that you think are poisoning the movie experience.
Quote:It's crappiness poisoning the movies (and also the fact that anybody, even the unsophisticated, can get any new movie from streaming or from pirates for free.)
Quote:I can see why it took a decade to understand that alcohol was killing you. And how long did it take to realize you were dying from diabetes? That disease needed your retarded brother's keen insight ("You look like death") to point it out to you. In other words, you are not very conscious about life, 6ixStringJack. You live almost completely inside your emotionally traumatized mind. Get out more and go to the movies with friends. Preferably old movies made before 1999, Trump, MAGA, and "wokeness". There are many thousands to see.
Thursday, January 4, 2024 6:25 PM
Thursday, January 4, 2024 8:23 PM
Friday, January 5, 2024 11:32 AM
Friday, January 5, 2024 1:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: OLD DATA: Numbers as of 10/31/2023: 2023 WINNERS AND LOSERS (MOVIES) By % of WORLDWIDE GROSS / PRODUCTION BUDGET Up to date as of 10/31/2023 00000000000000000000| PRODUCTION0| WORLDWIDE0000|% OVER|2.0x RoT000000|2.5x RoT000000|FINAL| Rnk|MOVIE TITLE00000| BUDGET00000| GROSS00000000|BUDGET|PROFIT/LOSS000|PROFIT/LOSS000|DATE0|STUDIO000| 001|Talk To Me000000|00$4,500,000|000$90,494,330|2,011%|000$81,494,330|000$79,244,330|10/26|A24000000| 000000000000000000000--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 002|Sound of Freedom|0$14,500,000|00$242,611,522|1,673%|00$213,611,522|00$206,361,522|00000|ANGEL STU| 000000000000000000000--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 003|M3GAN 0000000000|0$12,000,000|00$181,013,217|1,508%|00$157,013,217|00$151,013,217|03/16|UNIVERSAL| 000000000000000000000--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 004|Super Mario Bros|$100,000,000|$1,361,020,801|1,361%|$1,161,020,801|$1,111,020,801|07/07|UNIVERSAL| 000000000000000000000--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 005|Insidious: TRD00|0$16,000,000|00$186,258,928|1,164%|00$154,258,928|00$146,258,928|09/14|SONY PICT| 000000000000000000000--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 006|Barbie0000000000|$145,000,000|$1,441,120,164|00994%|$1,151,120,164|$1,078,620,164|00000|WARNER BR| 000000000000000000000--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 007|Oppenheimer00000|$100,000,000|00$943,888,721|00944%|00$743,888,721|00$693,888,721|00000|UNIVERSAL| 000000000000000000000--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 008|Evil Dead Rise00|0$19,000,000|00$146,017,671|00769%|00$108,017,671|000$98,517,671|06/15|WARNER BR| 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|000348% |0$1,226,688,849 |000$812,438,849 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 003 | SONY PICTURES0000|000$361,000,000 |00$1,429,753,682 |000396% |000$707,753,682 |000$527,253,682 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 004 | ANGEL STUDIOS0000|0000$14,500,000 |0000$242,611,522 |01,673% |000$213,611,522 |000$206,361,522 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 005 | WALT DISNEY000000|0$1,357,750,000 |00$2,861,454,592 |000211% |000$145,954,592 |000$532,920,408 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 006 | UNITED ARTISTS000|0000$75,000,000 |0000$274,448,615 |000366% |000$124,448,615 |0000$86,948,615 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 007 | A2400000000000000|00000$4,500,000 |00000$90,494,330 |02,011% |0000$81,494,330 |0000$79,244,330 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 008 | LIONSGATE00000000|000$325,000,000 |0000$652,607,770 |000201% |00000$2,607,770 |000$159,892,230 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 009 | FOCUS FEATURES000|0000$63,000,000 |0000$140,083,187 |000222% |00000$4,769,156 |0000$36,269,156 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 010 | AMAZON STUDIOS000|0000$70,000,000 |00000$89,448,266 |000128% |0000$50,551,734 |0000$85,551,734 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 011 | 20TH CENTURY STUD|000$175,000,000 |0000$290,123,273 |000166% |0000$59,876,727 |000$147,376,727 | 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|000$170,000,000 |000$170,000,000 | 00000000000000000000000------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ADJ | W. DISNEY REVISED|0$1,527,750,000 |00$2,861,454,592 |000187% |0000$24,045,408 |000$702,920,408 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ REV | HOLLYWOOD TOTALS:|0$5,406,453,077 |0$14,511,299,297 |000268% |0$3,849,540,800 |0$1,231,314,262 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * I neglected to add in Saw X when I originally made my last update. This is fixed in the movie to movie list now, but I didn't update any of the studio information to reflect this and that won't be updated until my next huge update. The movie was produced by Lionsgate, so add $13 Million to their total production budgets and $93.5 Million to their WW Gross. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Friday, January 5, 2024 3:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: WOW! I bet if Warner Brothers/Discovery does buy Parmount it'll be at a 'fire sale' price.
Quote:FYI, 20th Century Studios is Disney.
Friday, January 5, 2024 4:30 PM
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Saturday, January 6, 2024 8:11 AM
Saturday, January 6, 2024 11:56 AM
Quote:Said Millennium Media VP, Development and Production Tanner Mobley, “Working with Renny is always a delight, and teaming up with Vertical was a no-brainer. We’re excited to collaborate with Vertical’s incredibly talented team who are the perfect partners for this film.”
Saturday, January 6, 2024 1:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Who knows? Maybe this was all an inside job and somebody or some group of somebodies working at high levels inside Disney intentionally orchestrated the collapse of the company. I don't know why you'd kill the Golden Goose when you can just wait patiently for all the Golden Eggs it was going to deliver to you in perpetuity, but I'm sure if some mid-level con-men can copy the playbook laid out for them in The Producers and turn a $24 Million loss on the books into a big payday come tax time, destroying one of the biggest companies that ever existed on Earth must be worth a fortune to the right people.
Saturday, January 6, 2024 3:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Who knows? Maybe this was all an inside job and somebody or some group of somebodies working at high levels inside Disney intentionally orchestrated the collapse of the company. I don't know why you'd kill the Golden Goose when you can just wait patiently for all the Golden Eggs it was going to deliver to you in perpetuity, but I'm sure if some mid-level con-men can copy the playbook laid out for them in The Producers and turn a $24 Million loss on the books into a big payday come tax time, destroying one of the biggest companies that ever existed on Earth must be worth a fortune to the right people. If Disney is doomed, why not make Serenity a big damn trilogy? A couple more Firefly movies will speed Disney toward its ultimate destiny: Serenity Production Budget: $39,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.0 times production budget) Theatrical Performance Domestic Box Office $25,514,517 International Box Office $14,804,923 Worldwide Box Office $40,319,440 https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Serenity#tab=summary
Quote:The cost to de-age all the actors to how they looked in 2005, and digital double for the deceased Ron Glass as Book, could push the Disney budget per picture to over $200,000,000. It would be Disney money well spent
Quote:but I don't know how Disney will rehabilitate Joss Whedon: See The Undoing of Joss Whedon – Jan. 17, 2022 http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64811 The Buffy creator, once an icon of Hollywood feminism, is now an outcast accused of misogyny. How did he get here?
Sunday, January 7, 2024 6:28 AM
Sunday, January 7, 2024 9:12 AM
Quote:Maybe reversing the ending on both movies would be an unexpected and crowd pleasing plot twist? Daisy dies and her father lives? I’m not so sure that would make more money, but it would be different than business as usual for Hollywood.
Sunday, January 7, 2024 10:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Personally, at this point, I think they should just nuke the Star Wars franchise. Literally. Every time there was a show that me and my old man liked and it got cancelled, I'd just say instead of leaving it on a cliffhanger like The Sarah Connor Chronicles, they should have just had one final episode where the entire planet gets nuked and everyone dies. Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies. Freaks and Geeks? Maybe North Korea fired the first nuke and everyone dies. One great show that never got a fair shake, The Black Donnelly's, didn't go to such extreme measures but the way they ended it when they knew the writing on the wall was priceless. You can't cancel my show. I'm going to destroy it first. Let's just kill off pretty much all the main characters on both sides at the end and call it a day.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies.
Monday, January 8, 2024 1:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Personally, at this point, I think they should just nuke the Star Wars franchise. Literally. Every time there was a show that me and my old man liked and it got cancelled, I'd just say instead of leaving it on a cliffhanger like The Sarah Connor Chronicles, they should have just had one final episode where the entire planet gets nuked and everyone dies. Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies. Freaks and Geeks? Maybe North Korea fired the first nuke and everyone dies. One great show that never got a fair shake, The Black Donnelly's, didn't go to such extreme measures but the way they ended it when they knew the writing on the wall was priceless. You can't cancel my show. I'm going to destroy it first. Let's just kill off pretty much all the main characters on both sides at the end and call it a day.The Black Donnellys Episode 13 (Easy Is The Way) begins with: "The gates of Hell are open night and day; smooth the descent and easy is the way." -- Virgil At that point, I predicted everyone would die. Jumping to the end of the episode, everyone dies.
Quote:Quote:Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies. My preferred ending for Firefly is a huge cargo ship leaving for the Solar System, with the name painted in huge letters on the side of the ship "Shepherd Derrial Book". The Book is an open latticework showing the cargo. Many smaller ships are being carried, but one of them is Serenity. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies. My preferred ending for Firefly is a huge cargo ship leaving for the Solar System, with the name painted in huge letters on the side of the ship "Shepherd Derrial Book". The Book is an open latticework showing the cargo. Many smaller ships are being carried, but one of them is Serenity. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, January 8, 2024 9:21 AM
Monday, January 8, 2024 1:04 PM
Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:19 AM
Wednesday, January 10, 2024 10:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Marvel promises to do better, but then does the same old stupid things, again In early November, less than a week before The Marvels opened to the worst box office in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the company announced it was time for a fresh start. Echo, the MCU’s latest TV series, would mark the debut of a new line called Marvel Spotlight, one that would allow them to “bring more grounded, character-driven stories to the screen … focusing on street-level stakes over large MCU continuity.” In other words, you wouldn’t need to be deeply versed in the now 16-year history to understand what the heck was going on, a welcome (and much-needed) departure from a long string of releases that have left fans yawning and Disney scrambling. The first episode of Echo, which premieres this Tuesday, lingers on the Marvel Spotlight logo longer than it does the one for Marvel Studios, introducing the new banner with fanfare by Oscar-winning composer Michael Giacchino to underline the sense of occasion. And yet it takes only a few minutes for the show to utterly betray that promise. By the end of the first half-hour, we’ve been treated to a lengthy brawl between Alaqua Cox’s Maya Lopez and Charlie Cox’s Daredevil and a cameo by Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye, with neither of the latter identified or introduced on screen for new viewers. As I watched Renner pull off his mask for a dramatic reveal, I spontaneously imagined a person sitting behind me, whispering to their date, “Which one is he?” Instead of fleshing out its setting, Echo just dithers, haphazardly introducing plot points and then seeming to forget them for long stretches of time. With as many as seven writers credited on some episodes, Echo feels both overworked and unfinished, as if pieces were hacked out and rearranged at random. https://slate.com/culture/2024/01/echo-marvel-show-disney-plus-hulu-review-hawkeye-mcu.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:13 AM
Wednesday, January 10, 2024 12:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: You knew that Robert Downey Jr was not an engineering genius like Tony Stark and his Iron Man Suit does not fly. It was all fake from the beginning.
Quote: What happens, next? There are two kinds of fake and Hollywood wants to sell the genuine kind you can believe in, at least for the length of the show, but because the storytellers have gotten fat and stupid at Marvel, since they became fabulously wealthy like Robert Downey Jr now is, the stories are not genuine any longer and can't be believed on any level. The Marvel stories, with the possible exception of Loki, are now mostly the other kind of fake, the bad kind.
Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: The only real question now is whether or not Disney/Marvel actually learns from all of their mistakes and Echo's failure is simply one of the last remnants of a Disney culture that no longer exists in present day, or if they haven't actually learned any lessons yet and Echo is just another sign of things to come.
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