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The Hunger Games Prequel Failure Thread
Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:43 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:57 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Reading that post made me wonder if you were pulling a sloppyseconds and just plagiarizing somebody else's writing and posting as your own, without attribution.
Quote:But thanks for reminding me that I gotta watch Expendables, I was far too busy last weekend.
Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:17 PM
Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Not really an accusation. Just a feeling I got, like it wasn't an off-hand post like some others post around here. All those updates and edits do crank up the View Counter. I like when I'm mostly satisfied with a post (OP) and there are less than 5 views.
Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:30 PM
Quote: And from perusing the internet I've found that critical reception to the last two entries was pretty mixed as well. One of the biggest complaints I've seen was that the 3rd entry was too long and boring, while the 4th movie felt rushed. It left a bad taste in their mouth.
Quote:I just don't think that anybody cared enough about The Hunger Games in 2023 to make this prequel effort worthwhile in the first place.
Saturday, September 30, 2023 2:36 PM
Saturday, October 28, 2023 12:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: A thread without linky. Topics spoken of obliquely, assuming we know everything already. Let's fix that: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10545296/?ref_=nm_knf_t_3
Monday, October 30, 2023 12:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (September 27th): ... Speaking of financials... How much will Hunger Games 5 need to make in the box office to break even? Well... we don't exactly know the answer to that yet. As far as I can tell, Lionsgate hasn't released any numbers for their Production Budget yet. ... So what would the production budget for Songbirds and Snakes look like? Well... In 2015, the production budget for HG4 was $160 Million. In 2023 money, that would have cost over $207 Million to make. Is Lionsgate going to spend $200 Million to make this movie today? I doubt that very much. Its two largest budget movies this year were John Wick 4 and Expend4bles, both clocking in at only $100 Million. JW4 was a success, but nowhere near the level of any of the Hunger Games movies. Expend4bles will be a disaster for Lionsgate this year.
Quote:And then 8 years passed... Does anybody even care about The Hunger Games in 2023? And if some people still do, do they care enough about any of the characters from the original movie to go out en masse and see the origin story of these characters leading up to the eventual happenings of the original Quadrilogy when they already know how it ends? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they don't. The Hunger Games is no pre-Disney Star Wars, and some of you might remember how that turned out. Yeah... It made money, but it was Star Wars. Fans hated it for a decade before Disney came out and made the Prequels look like cinematic masterpieces in retrospect. This stuff all just snowballs on each other over time. People eventually remember that remakes/reboots/prequels and even sequels past a trilogy are very rarely ever worth watching. And 2023 in general has given us plenty of evidence that the market has hit a saturation point with all of them and people just don't want to pay to sit through any of it anymore. I just don't think that anybody cared enough about The Hunger Games in 2023 to make this prequel effort worthwhile in the first place. To me, this just comes off as another cash-grab from a studio trying to make some bank of of nostalgia by giving the audiences something they never asked for in the first place. I'm hoping that Lionsgate didn't screw the pooch and slap $200 to $250 Million on the table for this one, going into 2023 thinking they could take a risk like that because John Wick 4 and Expend4bles were going to cover any potential losses. If they only spent $100 Million on it, they might be able to avoid another serious financial disaster in 2023. That's really their only way out of this one. Coming fresh off of the realization of what a terrible miscalculation resurrecting the 9-year-dead Expendables franchise was, I'd be terrified right now if I was a big-shot at Lionsgate with the prequel to the 8-year-dead Hunger Games franchise release looming. And I doubt that they will ever consider hiring Rachel Zegler to act in another movie they make. In all fairness to her, I don't think this movie would have done much better than breaking even in the best case scenario in the first place, but when it fails... and it will fail... they're going to be looking for any scapegoat they can find for the failure, and Rachel served it right up to them on a silver platter.
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 2:59 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:49 PM
Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:26 PM
Saturday, November 11, 2023 8:47 AM
Sunday, November 12, 2023 2:05 AM
Thursday, November 16, 2023 11:09 AM
Friday, November 17, 2023 9:20 AM
Friday, November 17, 2023 1:45 PM
WHOZIT
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Preview night is tonight, and just like Blue Beetle, it doesn't appear that there's much buzz around this one. Here's Bruce's two lists at The Numbers this morning... Most Anticipated Movies Madame Web Napoleon Thanksgiving Inside Out 2 Wish Garfield Next Goal Wins Captain America: Brave New World Arthur the King Saltburn Trending Movies The Marvels Five Nights at Freddy’s Killers of the Flower Moon Oppenheimer Barbie Madame Web Saw X Journey to Bethlehem Sound of Freedom The Flash Rachel Zegler doesn't even make the trending people list anymore, but somehow Jean-Claude Van Damme does. Trending People Jean-Claude Van D… Tom Cruise Steven Spielberg Ridley Scott Brie Larson Nicolas Cage Dwayne Johnson Will Dodds Martin Scorsese Leonardo DiCaprio BoxOfficePro has raised their opening weekend prediction to $42M-$55M. https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-forecast-the-hunger-games-the-ballad-of-songbirds-and-snakes-next-goal-wins-trolls-band-together-and-thanksgiving/ I'm sure this has something to do with how bad The Marvels is doing since there's really nothing else in the theaters to watch right now. They're all lucky that Dune 2 was moved back to 2024. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Friday, November 17, 2023 7:05 PM
Saturday, November 18, 2023 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is looking at a Thursday night between $5.75M-$6M https://deadline.com/2023/11/box-office-hunger-games-songbirds-and-snakes-1235616095/ The Marvels opened preview night with $6.6 Million. I have no idea if this really means anything, but if it mirrored The Marvel's opening weekend to the Thursday Previews that will be around $40,172,300 on the low end and $41,576,200 on the high end.
Saturday, November 18, 2023 7:45 PM
Sunday, November 19, 2023 4:36 PM
Monday, November 20, 2023 8:14 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix?
Monday, November 20, 2023 1:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Lionsgate is saying $44 Million for the weekend, and without nearly as much pressure on it as The Marvels had with only a $100 Million budget, I'm going to assume that it made more than this in reality and my $45 Million prediction was correct. We'll know tomorrow. It would also appear that S&S got just $500k shy of the $55 Million Internationally I said it would need to have a chance to ultimately end up breaking even as well. So until the real numbers come in, we're at 98.5% of the Production Budget on Opening Weekend. The 1.5% difference is so small it doesn't change anything with the comparisons I made the other day, and chances are it hits over $100 Million after the real numbers come in. S&S has a chance here to break even, but only if it has strong legs. The fact that Wish is getting terrible reviews, The Marvels is already DOA on the 2nd weekend and no real competition comes out until the middle of December when Wonka comes out all are acting in its favor here. Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix? -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Monday, November 20, 2023 6:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Lionsgate is saying $44 Million for the weekend, and without nearly as much pressure on it as The Marvels had with only a $100 Million budget, I'm going to assume that it made more than this in reality and my $45 Million prediction was correct. We'll know tomorrow. It would also appear that S&S got just $500k shy of the $55 Million Internationally I said it would need to have a chance to ultimately end up breaking even as well. So until the real numbers come in, we're at 98.5% of the Production Budget on Opening Weekend. The 1.5% difference is so small it doesn't change anything with the comparisons I made the other day, and chances are it hits over $100 Million after the real numbers come in. S&S has a chance here to break even, but only if it has strong legs. The fact that Wish is getting terrible reviews, The Marvels is already DOA on the 2nd weekend and no real competition comes out until the middle of December when Wonka comes out all are acting in its favor here. Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix? -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face. What's going to make or break this flick is if there'll be any repeat business. This I believe is the reason these so called 'block busters' have been tanking, the fan base goes and sees them once (or not at all) and never goes back.
Tuesday, November 21, 2023 1:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Lionsgate is saying $44 Million for the weekend, and without nearly as much pressure on it as The Marvels had with only a $100 Million budget, I'm going to assume that it made more than this in reality and my $45 Million prediction was correct. We'll know tomorrow. It would also appear that S&S got just $500k shy of the $55 Million Internationally I said it would need to have a chance to ultimately end up breaking even as well. So until the real numbers come in, we're at 98.5% of the Production Budget on Opening Weekend. The 1.5% difference is so small it doesn't change anything with the comparisons I made the other day, and chances are it hits over $100 Million after the real numbers come in. S&S has a chance here to break even, but only if it has strong legs. The fact that Wish is getting terrible reviews, The Marvels is already DOA on the 2nd weekend and no real competition comes out until the middle of December when Wonka comes out all are acting in its favor here. Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix? -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face. What's going to make or break this flick is if there'll be any repeat business. This I believe is the reason these so called 'block busters' have been tanking, the fan base goes and sees them once (or not at all) and never goes back. That is a good point that I haven't been taking into account. In the case of The Marvels though, that tanked so hard the first two weekends that repeat viewings don't even matter. The few people who went out to see that could see it 4 times and it still wouldn't help. I'll come right out and say it. I want S&S to fail to break even just because I don't Rachel Zegler to be able to have anybody who can claim that one of her first 4 movies didn't bomb in the box office. But I also feel the need to maintain my own integrity and not call something a flop when it hasn't yet proven itself a flop. And on that note, Ryan Kinel pissed me off yesterday claiming that S&S needs $300 Million to break even. S&S does NOT need $300 Million to break even. S&S needs only $250 Million to break even. These movies are doing badly enough on their own that we don't need people with actual voices out there lying about things like this and discrediting not only themselves, but everybody else who is sick of the woke bullshit and is enjoying watching them all finally fail hard in 2023. So far, S&S is not a flop. It very well could be one by next weekend, but people with YouTube/Twitter presences need to stop calling it a flop until it is actually a flop. It didn't make $45 Million Domestic on the weekend box office, but I was right that they lowballed it and it made $44.6 Million instead of only $44 Million. Internationals were likely lowballed as well, so it still possibly made $100 Million in total opening weekend, which is 100% of its Production Budget, and except for Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, every movie so far in 2023 that has made 100% of its PB on Opening Weekend has ended up at least breaking even this year. I hope it fails hard by the 2nd weekend, but until it does I will not call this a flop. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Tuesday, November 21, 2023 6:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: As far as I'm concerned if a 'Hunger Games' prequel only breaks even it's a flop, that means it'll be forgotten by Christmas. A 'Hunger Games' prequel should be in the top 5 at Christmas, this will be lucky if it's in the top 10. This flick will fade away before you know it, the only thing they'll be able to boast is that they didn't lose mega bucks.
Wednesday, November 22, 2023 2:24 PM
Wednesday, November 22, 2023 11:33 PM
Thursday, November 23, 2023 6:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I've noticed that Rachel has been making an effort to boost her market cred, after torpedoing it. She has been pimping herself, going out to red carpets and photo events wearing see-through dresses and showing off her nipples. And not smiling anymore. Contrasting to her prior record of limited wardrobe malfunctions or slutwear, when she was always smiling. Wonder how she feels now, showing off her meat-worthiness in revealing slutwear to pay for her transgressions - brought about by expressing her Empowerment as a Wymmin. Maybe she will be doing pron next year. Not HG, but saw M$M reporting that Jew Hater Melissa Barressa was dropped from the next Scream while it is filming. And Jew Hater Susan Sarandon was dropped from her agency for her Kill-the-Jews rants.
Thursday, November 23, 2023 12:51 PM
Friday, November 24, 2023 1:17 PM
Saturday, November 25, 2023 12:35 PM
Sunday, November 26, 2023 12:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Disney's back-to-back massive failures are almost certainly going to make S&S break even and make a few bucks at this point. With 2 days left to go on the 2nd weekend and without any international updates since Sunday, S&S already has 137% of the Production Budget. I imagine it will be over 200% by the time the Domestic Weekend is over and the new international money is counted. Something seriously drastic would have to happen now for S&S to be considered a loser on the 2.5x RoT scale (such as finding out that the international audience just walked away by the 2nd weekend), and with no new possible competition until Wonka comes out on the 15th I really don't see that happening. It probably won't break even after only 3 weekends, but unless there's a major shift I'd imagine it breaks even somewhere during weekend 4.
Monday, November 27, 2023 6:28 PM
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 12:26 PM
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 2:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: It's all like picking low-hanging fruit at this point. I almost feel bad about making the Aquaman 2 failure thread, like I'm kicking a dead horse. I don't feel that way when I'm laughing about Disney's failures, but I don't think that WB was anywhere close to the level of attempted en masse social reprogramming that Disney has been engaging in. I'm actually glad that S&S is going to be a winner out of this at Disney's expense. They can't ALL be losers simultaneously, and if S&S was a loser too, that would have just translated into less debt at the Box Office for Disney at the end of the year. This incorrect prediction will keep me on my toes. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Tuesday, November 28, 2023 2:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: It's all like picking low-hanging fruit at this point. I almost feel bad about making the Aquaman 2 failure thread, like I'm kicking a dead horse. I don't feel that way when I'm laughing about Disney's failures, but I don't think that WB was anywhere close to the level of attempted en masse social reprogramming that Disney has been engaging in. I'm actually glad that S&S is going to be a winner out of this at Disney's expense. They can't ALL be losers simultaneously, and if S&S was a loser too, that would have just translated into less debt at the Box Office for Disney at the end of the year. This incorrect prediction will keep me on my toes. This flick wasn't seen as 'woke' slop, the reason most people wanted it to tank was because one of it's stars is a douche. This flick isn't going to come anywhere near a billion $ at the B.O.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: It's all like picking low-hanging fruit at this point. I almost feel bad about making the Aquaman 2 failure thread, like I'm kicking a dead horse. I don't feel that way when I'm laughing about Disney's failures, but I don't think that WB was anywhere close to the level of attempted en masse social reprogramming that Disney has been engaging in. I'm actually glad that S&S is going to be a winner out of this at Disney's expense. They can't ALL be losers simultaneously, and if S&S was a loser too, that would have just translated into less debt at the Box Office for Disney at the end of the year. This incorrect prediction will keep me on my toes.
Sunday, December 3, 2023 11:27 AM
Tuesday, December 5, 2023 9:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Songbirds & Snakes took a -50% hit this weekend from last. That only looks bad on paper though compared to its abnormally low -35% 2nd weekend drop and Bruce's terrible prediction that it was going to make nearly $7 Million more than it did this weekend with only a -27% drop from last weekend. (That was really an insane prediction to make buddy). -50% isn't bad... Especially on a weekend with 4 new wide releases. Without the international numbers in yet, it's at $221.3 Million, or 221% of its Production Budget. I actually expect this movie to clear the $250 Million it needed to break even once the international numbers roll in. It's a full week of new money, and I doubt that the Beyonce concert thing dug into its international profits as much as it did in the US this weekend.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 25th): It probably won't break even after only 3 weekends, but unless there's a major shift I'd imagine it breaks even somewhere during weekend 4.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 26th): I still stand by my prior prediction that we won't see this break even by next weekend, but it will probably be pretty close. If it sees another -35% drop next weekend both Domestic and International, it will already be a winner by then, but this was the holiday weekend here in the states, and typically the 7 days after Opening Weekend Internationally is pretty close to 100% of the Opening Weekend, which is what happened here. My guess is that by the time Weekend 4 starts, it will already be over 250% and every penny it makes will be profit.
Saturday, December 9, 2023 1:49 PM
Saturday, December 9, 2023 8:50 PM
Saturday, December 9, 2023 10:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: How does a movie make money when it is also available for FREE?
Sunday, December 10, 2023 8:33 PM
Tuesday, December 12, 2023 2:53 AM
Sunday, December 17, 2023 11:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 20th): I'll come right out and say it. I want S&S to fail to break even just because I don't Rachel Zegler to be able to have anybody who can claim that one of her first 4 movies didn't bomb in the box office. But I also feel the need to maintain my own integrity and not call something a flop when it hasn't yet proven itself a flop. And on that note, Ryan Kinel pissed me off yesterday claiming that S&S needs $300 Million to break even. S&S does NOT need $300 Million to break even. S&S needs only $250 Million to break even. These movies are doing badly enough on their own that we don't need people with actual voices out there lying about things like this and discrediting not only themselves, but everybody else who is sick of the woke bullshit and is enjoying watching them all finally fail hard in 2023. So far, S&S is not a flop. It very well could be one by next weekend, but people with YouTube/Twitter presences need to stop calling it a flop until it is actually a flop. ... I hope it fails hard by the 2nd weekend, but until it does I will not call this a flop.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 27th): This one is probably going to easily clear $300 Million worldwide because of back-to-back Disney flops. It could even reach $350 Million if nothing else competes with it for the rest of the year. They're already calling Aquaman 2 a flop, so we'll see.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (December 5th): Any chances S&S had of grossing $350 Million are gone now, but it could still hit $300 Million if it keeps its legs and is in theaters long enough. ... I don't imagine that 2 months ago anybody was predicting that out of The Marvels, Wish and S&S the only one that would gross more worldwide than FNAF was going to be this one.
Tuesday, December 19, 2023 7:45 AM
Tuesday, December 19, 2023 12:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:
Quote:Any weekend less than -50% from the previous is considered good business. ESPECIALLY the 2nd weekend drop. The further away from -50%, the better you did. When you're running an average after 5 weeks of only -39.25%, it means you did something right.
Tuesday, December 19, 2023 12:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling: Crashed? What are you even talking about? It hasn't crashed.
Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling: Crashed? What are you even talking about? It hasn't crashed. Here are the numbers for five The Hunger Games movies: Note well the decreasing Gross as time goes by. Release Date Domestic Gross Worldwide Gross Mar 8, 2012 $408,010,692 $677,923,379 Nov 15, 2013 $424,668,047 $864,808,014 Nov 19, 2014 $337,135,885 $766,575,131 Nov 18, 2015 $281,723,902 $646,219,954 Nov 15, 2023 $145,260,915 $292,337,640 https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=The+Hunger+Games
Quote:Hollywood will not be rebooting this movie series because teenagers in the not-too-distant future will realize that they can stay home and watch a REBOOTED Hunger Games (or some similar, but all-new, Young Adult movies) without paying high movie theater prices (or outrageous snack prices).
Wednesday, December 20, 2023 5:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: And your stupid ass argument that "ticket sales crashed" because it was available for streaming online now both legally and illegally was pure bullshit and I provided all the figures proving that. You didn't read that and admit that you were wrong, because you're a sad little boy. Go cry to your mommy, cunt. Nobody here gives a shit about all of your incorrect opinions and your desire to always be the center of attention.
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