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The 2023 Disney Failure Thread
Tuesday, June 20, 2023 12:48 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, June 20, 2023 7:30 PM
Wednesday, June 21, 2023 6:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (June 16th, 2023): Long-time Disney shot-caller Christine McCarthy fired from Disney. She was treasurer for the company from 2000 to 2015 when she was promoted to Disney's CFO. Many considered her next in line after Bob Iger for the CEO position. She was behind removing Bob Chapek and putting Iger back in charge just late last year. Everyone is saying she's taking "family medical leave", but Iger has said they're already searching for her permanent replacement. They're going to give her some sort of "advisor" title until her contract is up in June of next year, where she will still be making her $20 Million per year salary. She was CFO during the entire time that Disney ruined Star Wars, Marvel, their own animation studio and their own Pixar brand. Nobody can blame the ruination of Indiana Jones on her, however, since Kingdom of the Crystal Skull came out 7 years before she took the position. The newest entry coming out in 8 days won't help the brand though. This isn't indicative of Disney making any steps forward to fixing its brand since Bob Iger is still in charge. Though relatively ineffective, it was easy for everyone to throw Bob Chapek under the bus when he got politically involved in Florida and became the catalyst for Disney losing their Reedy Creek special status in the state, but Bob Iger has been the true face of the decline of Disney after the Renaissance years of Michael Eisner in the late 80's through the early 2000s.
Wednesday, June 21, 2023 7:22 PM
WHOZIT
Wednesday, June 21, 2023 8:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Doomcock is saying Leslye Headland just got the boot from Lucasfilm
Monday, June 26, 2023 12:18 PM
Monday, June 26, 2023 8:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 Net Gain/Loss: -$170 Million - Marketing Costs Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $819,594,064 (328% of Production Budget as of 06/20/2023) Net Gain/Loss: +$319,594,064 Million (as of 06/20/2023) Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $465,252,435 (186% of Production Budget as of 06/20/2023) Net Gain/Loss: -$34,747,565 (as of 06/20/2023) The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $51,212,827 (145% of Production Budget as of 06/20/2023) Net Gain/Loss: -$18,787,173 (as of 06/20/2023) Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget as of 06/20/2023) Net Gain/Loss: -$355,397,571 (as of 06/20/2023) Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $295,000,000 source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Dial_of_Destiny Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD CANCELLED MOVIES: Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] So far in 2023, we've got a cancelled Star Wars flick and Disney is currently down $195,702,942 with current Box Office numbers. The only thing keeping them reasonably afloat with the current string of box office flops that will be extended by quite a bit when Indy 5 comes out is the $319+ and still rising box office win on Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3, and the extremely-disappointing-yet-still-barely-financial-win of Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania's $63+ Million. (More on that in the next post)
Wednesday, June 28, 2023 10:05 AM
Quote:Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The Little Mermaid will gross $500 Million Worldwide after Monday's numbers come in. True to my word, I will put it in the "winners" category based off the twice the production budget rule of thumb, but the investors at Disney know the true numbers that were behind this and I suspect that we're going to see a huge ramp-down of live-action Disney remakes after this one failed to get even close to $1 Billion like its predecessors did while being the 2nd most expensive live-action remake in history for the company. In any event, unless I find out any undeniable information about the non-Production Budget financials being more than usually spent to promote this film, any small amount of money TLM makes going forward will be subtracting from Disney's gaping money pit of 2023. OH... and all that being said, I'd really appreciate it if YouTubers and movie review sites were to back up their claims that a movie now needs to make 2.5 to 3 times the production budget to break even. Especially given the rise in costs of EVERYTHING during the Biden* Administration, I'm not going to argue that this isn't true, but somebody needs to bring some real receipts to the table proving this when it's been generally accepted for years that a movie had to double its production budget to break even. As I stated several times in these failure threads, I will not move the goalposts on this just to make the numbers look more in line than what I want to see, and I feel that this is happening more and more often as the year drags on with zero concrete evidence available to back up those claims.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The Little Mermaid will gross $500 Million Worldwide after Monday's numbers come in. True to my word, I will put it in the "winners" category based off the twice the production budget rule of thumb, but the investors at Disney know the true numbers that were behind this and I suspect that we're going to see a huge ramp-down of live-action Disney remakes after this one failed to get even close to $1 Billion like its predecessors did while being the 2nd most expensive live-action remake in history for the company. In any event, unless I find out any undeniable information about the non-Production Budget financials being more than usually spent to promote this film, any small amount of money TLM makes going forward will be subtracting from Disney's gaping money pit of 2023. OH... and all that being said, I'd really appreciate it if YouTubers and movie review sites were to back up their claims that a movie now needs to make 2.5 to 3 times the production budget to break even. Especially given the rise in costs of EVERYTHING during the Biden* Administration, I'm not going to argue that this isn't true, but somebody needs to bring some real receipts to the table proving this when it's been generally accepted for years that a movie had to double its production budget to break even. As I stated several times in these failure threads, I will not move the goalposts on this just to make the numbers look more in line than what I want to see, and I feel that this is happening more and more often as the year drags on with zero concrete evidence available to back up those claims.
Wednesday, June 28, 2023 10:53 AM
Monday, July 3, 2023 4:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers. [ALL FIGURES UPDATED 06/26/2023] Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here: The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598 The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628 The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629 Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL] Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $824,012,726 (330% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$324,012,726 Million Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $499,220,837 (199.69% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$779,163 The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $56,321,938 (161% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$13,678,062 Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $121,096,376 (61% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$278,903,624 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $295,000,000 source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Dial_of_Destiny Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD YET TO BE RELEASED: Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023) Production Budget: $157,750,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago. source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixar-dc/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023: -$75,712,820 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) I may put TV shows in here at some point too, but it would probably be next to impossible to gauge how much money they lose on them, so if I do it's probably just to post the terrible audience scores they get.
Monday, July 3, 2023 4:32 PM
Monday, July 3, 2023 6:18 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 (As of 07/03): -$446,849,396 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) NOTE: True to my word, I did put The Little Mermaid in the Winner's category now that it's made $24 Million more than double its production budget. It will remain there unless we find out more about how much it cost and/or The Rule of Thumb has been proven to have changed to more than double the PD under Bidenflation. $24 Million now, and this week it will be making under $1 Million per day. That's nothing to celebrate for Disney who expected this to be another easy $1 to $1.5 Billion in box office receipts. Child Rapist Zelensky pissed $24 Million worth of US Taxpayer funded cocaine out of his system quicker than The Little Mermaid made it. -------------------------------------------------- How you do anything is how you do everything.
Monday, July 3, 2023 7:54 PM
Tuesday, July 4, 2023 9:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 (As of 07/03): -$446,849,396 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) NOTE: True to my word, I did put The Little Mermaid in the Winner's category now that it's made $24 Million more than double its production budget. It will remain there unless we find out more about how much it cost and/or The Rule of Thumb has been proven to have changed to more than double the PD under Bidenflation. $24 Million now, and this week it will be making under $1 Million per day. That's nothing to celebrate for Disney who expected this to be another easy $1 to $1.5 Billion in box office receipts. Child Rapist Zelensky pissed $24 Million worth of US Taxpayer funded cocaine out of his system quicker than The Little Mermaid made it. -------------------------------------------------- How you do anything is how you do everything.2 Woke Disasters combining for a Perfect Storm. Bidenflation multiplied by Disney Wokism.
Quote:The "production budget" for TLM was in the Dollars for those years of production. But now Bidenflation has whittled away any possible profits. That budget in today's Bidenflation Dollars means much more Box Office is needed to capture a profit. What year did production start? Was it greenlit?
Tuesday, July 4, 2023 9:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: It seems weird that Disney bought Lucasfilm because of the Merch sales from enjoyable films, but then thought that if they destroyed the franchises that moviegoers enjoyed, somehow the Merch sales would not suffer. Guess it is just another Delusional Wokeism concept.
Friday, July 7, 2023 11:29 AM
Friday, July 7, 2023 3:54 PM
Monday, July 10, 2023 11:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers. [ALL FIGURES UPDATED 07/03/2023] Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here: The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598 The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628 The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629 Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL] Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $827,959,013 (331% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$327,959,013 Million The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $524,041,145 (210% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$24,041,145 Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $59,686,514 (171% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$10,313,486 Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $187,607,297 (94% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$212,392,703 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $300,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$469,778,668 TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023: -$446,849,396 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) YET TO BE RELEASED: Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023) Production Budget: $157,750,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago. source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixar-dc/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] I may put TV shows in here at some point too, but it would probably be next to impossible to gauge how much money they lose on them, so if I do it's probably just to post the terrible audience scores they get.
Wednesday, July 12, 2023 11:52 PM
Thursday, July 13, 2023 9:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The Little Mermaid will gross $500 Million Worldwide after Monday's numbers come in. True to my word, I will put it in the "winners" category based off the twice the production budget rule of thumb, but the investors at Disney know the true numbers that were behind this and I suspect that we're going to see a huge ramp-down of live-action Disney remakes after this one failed to get even close to $1 Billion like its predecessors did while being the 2nd most expensive live-action remake in history for the company. In any event, unless I find out any undeniable information about the non-Production Budget financials being more than usually spent to promote this film, any small amount of money TLM makes going forward will be subtracting from Disney's gaping money pit of 2023. OH... and all that being said, I'd really appreciate it if YouTubers and movie review sites were to back up their claims that a movie now needs to make 2.5 to 3 times the production budget to break even. Especially given the rise in costs of EVERYTHING during the Biden* Administration, I'm not going to argue that this isn't true, but somebody needs to bring some real receipts to the table proving this when it's been generally accepted for years that a movie had to double its production budget to break even. As I stated several times in these failure threads, I will not move the goalposts on this just to make the numbers look more in line than what I want to see, and I feel that this is happening more and more often as the year drags on with zero concrete evidence available to back up those claims. -------------------------------------------------- Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
Quote: For the past decade, Disney has been the Teflon movie studio, remarkably adept at withstanding the tectonic changes impacting the film industry, and well fortified by its arsenal of key properties such as Marvel, Lucasfilm and Pixar. But this year, the long-reigning titan of the box office has shown cracks as four of its biggest releases from those brands and others have struggled in theaters. There was the dispiriting release of “Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania,” a rare Marvel movie to likely lose tens of millions in its theatrical run; “The Little Mermaid,” a remake of the 1989 animated classic that fell drastically short of expectations; “Elemental,” an original story that tried and failed to recapture Pixar’s magic; and most recently “Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny,” a nearly $300 million investment in one of cinemas’ most venerable franchises, which no longer appears to have the same hold on today’s audiences. On paper, these films seemed like they had all of the makings of huge hits, but somehow the Disney sparkle was lacking this time, in terms of filling movie theater seats.
Quote:Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20 23)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
Quote:The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar y Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $542,328,651 (217% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$42,328,651
Thursday, July 13, 2023 10:09 AM
Quote:The Little Mermaid cost $50 Million more to produce than Quantumania did. Not that I'm going to factor in any different marketing budget numbers specifically on any one movie because I said that wouldn't be fair and would likely be impossible to do anyhow, I'm just going to point out that everybody knows that TLM was marketed heavier than any other Disney movie this year too, with stunts like paying the Oscars $10 Million for an ill-received advertisement on stage... so nobody can try to protect this movie by saying that what it spent on Production Budget it saved on Marketing Budget. Currently, or at least as of Sunday Night, TLM's theater take is only 217% that of the Production budget. A full 15% less than that of Quantumania's final box office take. And TLM has run out of steam, having grossed just barely over $1 Million per day last weekend, and just above $600k per week day. TLM will NEVER reach 232% of the $250 Million Production Budget. So if Quantumania is a loser by several tens of millions, TLM is a loser by SEVERAL MORE tens of millions for Disney in 2023. I bet Variety didn't mean to admit to that one.
Friday, July 14, 2023 5:26 AM
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers. [ALL FIGURES UPDATED 07/10/2023] Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here: The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598 The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628 The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629 Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL] Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $839,718,180 (336% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$339,718,180 The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $542,328,651 (217% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$42,328,651 The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $81,186,450 (231% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$6,186,450 I don't know what happened with this one. It made less than $1.5 Million in the US this week, but all of the sudden it jumped from a $10 Million + loser to a $6 Million + winner in the span of a week. I'll chalk that up to very late international reporting on the numbers for now. Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $252,324,302 (126% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$147,675,698 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $300,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $248,826,405 (83% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$248,826,405 TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023: -$114,633,519 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) YET TO BE RELEASED: Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023) Production Budget: $157,750,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago. source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixar-dc/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] I may put TV shows in here at some point too, but it would probably be next to impossible to gauge how much money they lose on them, so if I do it's probably just to post the terrible audience scores they get.
Wednesday, July 19, 2023 11:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers. [ALL FIGURES UPDATED 07/18/2023] Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here: The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598 The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628 The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629 Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL] Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $839,050,733 (336% of Production Budget) This one somehow lost about $700,000 in the last 8 days (07/11-07/18), despite making about a million in the US Box Office in that time. Though I haven't seen this before, I've rarely ever been looking at so many figures for so many movies at once for all these lists. Without any explanation, I'm going to assume that something in the international counts were off and corrected. Net Gain/Loss: +$339,050,733 The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $547,112,313 (219% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$47,112,313 The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $82,351,069 (234% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$7,351,069 I don't know what happened with this one. It made less than $1.5 Million in the US on the weekend ending 7/09, but all of the sudden it jumped from a $10 Million + loser to a $6 Million + winner in the span of that week. I'll chalk that up to very late international reporting on the numbers for now. Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $313,340,646 (157% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$86,659,354 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $300,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $303,945,448 (101% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$296,054,552 Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023) Production Budget: $8,000,000 source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&first_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $333,510 (4% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$15,666,490 TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023: -$111,230,978 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) YET TO BE RELEASED: Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023) Production Budget: $157,750,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago. source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixar-dc/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] I may put TV shows in here at some point too, but it would probably be next to impossible to gauge how much money they lose on them, so if I do it's probably just to post the terrible audience scores they get. EDITED TO ADD (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out-212-million-on-secret-invasion/ It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched. https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-selling-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/
Sunday, July 30, 2023 1:14 PM
Sunday, July 30, 2023 1:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Anybody know why this one is flopping? It's only been on my radar at all because it was one of the last few big budget movies Disney was putting out in 2023, but I've honestly heard not one thing about it and haven't bothered looking into it at all.
Quote:The new Haunted Mansion (2023) movie may become another flop from The Walt Disney Company. Although it hasn’t spawned the level of controversy associated with other films in the past 12 months, such as Lightyear (2022), Strange World (2022), or The Little Mermaid (2023), it will likely follow in the footsteps of a long life of recent box office failures. A Year of Flops In addition to the titles above, additional box office bombs include Elemental (2023), Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania (2023), and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023). As long as audiences choose to avoid seeing Disney movies in the theaters, the studio will continue hemorrhaging money It was reported earlier this year that in the past 12 months, the Walt Disney Company was estimated to have lost almost $1 billion in box office flops. And that figure was before the release of Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023), which in the end could lose another couple hundred million. Walt Disney Pictures hoped the Haunted Mansion (2023) would be a chance to turn things around. After all, it’s not a controversial live action remake, and it’s a movie based on a popular theme park ride at Disneyland (and the Magic Kingdom at Disney World). But its expected box office numbers for this weekend are $25-$30 million domestically. For comparison, Avengers: Endgame (2019) made $357 million on its opening weekend. Granted, that’s an established franchise, but those numbers are from four years ago. But when compared to The Haunted Mansion (2003) with Eddie Murphy, the opening box office is about the same ($24.3 million). Even though $30 million (at best) is still a nice chunk of change, it’s not a win when the movie allegedly cost the studio $150 million to produce. That figure also includes no marketing or promotional costs, which could easily be another $50-$100 million. Again, Disney seems to find itself where the costs of producing its movies ends up setting a bar too high for the box office. This was the problem with The Little Mermaid (2023), Lightyear (2022), and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023).
Sunday, July 30, 2023 1:37 PM
Quote:Haunted Mansion…Dead On Arrival https://www.disneydining.com/haunted-mansion-dead-on-arrival-sw1/ Walt Disney Pictures hoped the Haunted Mansion (2023) would be a chance to turn things around. After all, it’s not a controversial live action remake, and it’s a movie based on a popular theme park ride at Disneyland (and the Magic Kingdom at Disney World). But its expected box office numbers for this weekend are $25-$30 million domestically. For comparison, Avengers: Endgame (2019) made $357 million on its opening weekend. Granted, that’s an established franchise, but those numbers are from four years ago. But when compared to The Haunted Mansion (2003) with Eddie Murphy, the opening box office is about the same ($24.3 million).
Monday, July 31, 2023 3:14 PM
Monday, July 31, 2023 6:57 PM
Monday, July 31, 2023 10:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers. [ALL FIGURES UPDATED 07/24/2023] Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here: The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598 The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628 The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629 Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL] Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $837,895,825 (335% of Production Budget) Weird... After losing about $700,000,000 in the previous 8 days (07/11-07/18), despite making about a million in the US Box Office in that time, Guardian's 3 worldwide total went down again this weekend from $839,050,733 to $837,895,825. I have no explanation for this, although I did notice it happened to a few other films this week such as Fast X when making the 2023 top lists in the Sound of Freedom thread. Without any explanation, I'm going to assume that something in the international counts were off and corrected. Net Gain/Loss: +$337,895,825 The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $548,481,661 (219% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$48,481,661 The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $82,344,950 (234% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$7,344,950 I don't know what happened with this one. It made less than $1.5 Million in the US on the weekend ending 7/09, but all of the sudden it jumped from a $10 Million + loser to a $6 Million + winner in the span of that week. I'll chalk that up to very late international reporting on the numbers for now. UPDATE 07/24: This one went down several thousand this week with no explanation from $82,351,069 to $82,344,950. Since this seems to be a trend now that I'm really paying attention to numbers on a broad range of films I'm going to begin assuming that the international figures are just estimates, similar to the estimates that we get for domestic numbers, but it just takes a lot longer for them to be finalized. Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $355,566,374 (178% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$44,433,626 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $300,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $334,636,623 (112% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$265,363,377 Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023) Production Budget: $8,000,000 source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&first_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $687,468 (9% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$15,312,532 TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023: -$37,751,796 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) NOTE (07/24): It looks as though Disney might end up running a profit for 2023 despite their terrible woke decisions. Next week would see a slight profit if it weren't for the fact that Haunted Mansion is coming out with its now reported $157+ Million Production Budget needing at least $314 Million worldwide to break even. Since I haven't heard anything good or bad about this one, who knows how it will do, but I doubt we're going to see a Barbie repeat on this one, so breaking even in 1 weekend on this is not likely in the cards. Disney owes this to the surprise performance of Elemental after its first awful week in theaters. It still hasn't broken even, but sitting at 178% of the Production Budget this far out when it only grossed 24% of its Production Budget Worldwide after opening weekend is impressive. It probably won't do much better than breaking even in the end, but since it won't be the expected massive black hole that was expected on Disney's 2023 books, it may just be what Disney needed not to be completely embarrassed by actually losing money in the Box Office for 2023. Still though, Disney DOES want to make money, and after years of having Billion dollar hit after Billion dollar hit to have a year where they're just going to make a little bit of money is not good. There's always the possibility that Variety was right and Antman did lose tens of millions of dollars for Disney, which would mean that the Rule of Thumb increased to 2.5 from 2.0 in Biden*world, and then Disney is hurting a lot more than I'm presenting here. Only they will know for sure. I wouldn't want to own Disney stock right now though. YET TO BE RELEASED: Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023) Production Budget: $157,750,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago. source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixar-dc/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] I may put TV shows in here at some point too, but it would probably be next to impossible to gauge how much money they lose on them, so if I do it's probably just to post the terrible audience scores they get. EDITED TO ADD (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out-212-million-on-secret-invasion/ It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched. https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-selling-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/
Tuesday, August 1, 2023 12:30 PM
Quote:. There was the dispiriting release of “Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania,” a rare Marvel movie to likely lose tens of millions in its theatrical run
Tuesday, August 1, 2023 12:34 PM
Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:19 PM
Quote:DeSantis-controlled Disney World district abolishes diversity, equity initiatives The Canadian Press Tue, August 1, 2023 at 12:57 p.m. CDT·3 min read ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Diversity, equity and inclusion programs were abolished Tuesday from Walt Disney World's governing district, now controlled by appointees of Gov. Ron DeSantis, in an echo of the Florida governor's agenda which has championed curtailing such programs in higher education and elsewhere. The Central Florida Tourism Oversight District said in a statement that its diversity, equity and inclusion committee would be eliminated, as would any job duties connected to it. Also axed were initiatives left over from when the district was controlled by Disney supporters, which awarded contracts based on goals of achieving racial or gender parity. Glenton Gilzean, the district's new administrator who is African American and a former head of the Central Florida Urban League, called such initiatives “illegal and simply un-American." Gilzean has been a fellow or member at two conservative institutions, the James Madison Institute and the American Enterprise Institute Leadership Network, as well as a DeSantis appointee to the Florida Commission on Ethics. “Our district will no longer participate in any attempt to divide us by race or advance the notion that we are not created equal," Gilzean said in a statement. "As the former head of the Central Florida Urban League, a civil rights organization, I can say definitively that our community thrives only when we work together despite our differences.” An email was sent seeking comment from Disney World. Last spring, DeSantis, who is running for the GOP presidential nomination, signed into law a measure that blocks public colleges from using federal or state funding on diversity programs. DeSantis also has championed Florida's so-called “Stop WOKE” law, which bars businesses, colleges and K-12 schools from giving training on certain racial concepts, such as the theory that people of a particular race are inherently racist, privileged or oppressed. A federal judge last November blocked the law’s enforcement in colleges, universities and businesses, calling it "positively dystopian.” The creation of the district, then known as the Reedy Creek Improvement District, was instrumental in Disney’s decision to build a theme park resort near Orlando in the 1960s. Having a separate government allowed the company to provide zoning, fire protection, utilities and infrastructure services on its sprawling property. The district was controlled by Disney supporters for more than five decades. The DeSantis appointees took control of the renamed district earlier this year following a yearlong feud between the company and DeSantis. The fight began last year after Disney, beset by significant pressure internally and externally, publicly opposed a state law banning classroom lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity in early grades, a policy critics call “Don’t Say Gay.” As punishment, DeSantis took over the district through legislation passed by Republican lawmakers and appointed a new board of supervisors to oversee municipal services for the sprawling theme parks and hotels. Disney sued DeSantis and his five board appointees in federal court, claiming the Florida governor violated the company’s free speech rights by taking the retaliatory action. Before the new board came in, Disney made agreements with previous oversight board members who were Disney supporters that stripped the new supervisors of their authority over design and development. The DeSantis-appointed members of the governing district have sued Disney in state court in a second lawsuit stemming from the district’s takeover, seeking to invalidate those agreements.
Monday, August 7, 2023 4:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers. [ALL FIGURES UPDATED 07/31/2023] Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here: The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598 The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628 The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629 Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL] Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $837,312,951 (335% of Production Budget) Weird... After losing about $700,000 in the previous 8 days (07/11-07/18), despite making about a million in the US Box Office in that time, Guardian's 3 worldwide total went down again this weekend from $839,050,733 to $837,895,825. I have no explanation for this, although I did notice it happened to a few other films this week such as Fast X when making the 2023 top lists in the Sound of Freedom thread. Without any explanation, I'm going to assume that something in the international counts were off and corrected. UPDATE 07/31: WTF Bruce? Again? Despite making around $100k in the Domestic Box office this week, Guardians 3 went down again to $837,312,951 from $837,895,825 Net Gain/Loss: +$337,312,951 The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $560,010,838 (224% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$60,010,838 The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,351,335 (234% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: +$7,351,335 I don't know what happened with this one. It made less than $1.5 Million in the US on the weekend ending 7/09, but all of the sudden it jumped from a $10 Million + loser to a $6 Million + winner in the span of that week. I'll chalk that up to very late international reporting on the numbers for now. UPDATE 07/24: This one went down several thousand this week with no explanation from $82,351,069 to $82,344,950. Since this seems to be a trend now that I'm really paying attention to numbers on a broad range of films I'm going to begin assuming that the international figures are just estimates, similar to the estimates that we get for domestic numbers, but it just takes a lot longer for them to be finalized. NOTE TO SELF 07/31: Even though this one wasn't in the theater this week, it did go up several thousand from last week. I will have to put in the effort to make sure all of these numbers are correct maybe 1 or 2 months into 2024 to make sure everything was properly tallied up by the studios and I'm presenting the actual final numbers on all 4 of my lists. Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $394,015,259 (197% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$5,984,741 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $300,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $355,991,098 (119% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$244,008,902 Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023) Production Budget: $8,000,000 source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&first_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $1,503,647 (19% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$15,312,532 [Note 07/31: Somehow this one is getting a limited international release in Australia, Spain, Germany and the UK, so even though this movie is incidental compared to other 2023 Disney properties, there should be some help to bump these numbers up a bit.] Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023) Production Budget: $157,750,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss: -$282,417,525 TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023: -$249,413,273 (Plus unknown marketing costs for Peter Pan & Wendy) Quote:NOTE (07/24): It looks as though Disney might end up running a profit for 2023 despite their terrible woke decisions. Next week would see a slight profit if it weren't for the fact that Haunted Mansion is coming out with its now reported $157+ Million Production Budget needing at least $314 Million worldwide to break even. Since I haven't heard anything good or bad about this one, who knows how it will do, but I doubt we're going to see a Barbie repeat on this one, so breaking even in 1 weekend on this is not likely in the cards. No. It did not break even. It only made 21% worldwide for the first weekend, completely erasing the $33 or so Million gains that Disney managed to make with the other movies it still has in theaters and adding another roughly $250 Million to the current deficit. Quote:(07/24): Disney owes this to the surprise performance of Elemental after its first awful week in theaters. It still hasn't broken even, but sitting at 178% of the Production Budget this far out when it only grossed 24% of its Production Budget Worldwide after opening weekend is impressive. It probably won't do much better than breaking even in the end, but since it won't be the expected massive black hole that was expected on Disney's 2023 books, it may just be what Disney needed not to be completely embarrassed by actually losing money in the Box Office for 2023. After last weeks performance, I actually expect this to do better than just break even. Either Bruce's international numbers were far behind and were applied this week, or it did great overseas. It's now up to 197% of the Production Budget from only 178% last weekend. It could end up being a moderate profit generator like The Little Mermaid (224%) or Antman (232%) by the end of its run... at least when using the 2x Rule of Thumb. Quote:(07/24)Still though, Disney DOES want to make money, and after years of having Billion dollar hit after Billion dollar hit to have a year where they're just going to make a little bit of money is not good. There's always the possibility that Variety was right and Antman did lose tens of millions of dollars for Disney, which would mean that the Rule of Thumb increased to 2.5 from 2.0 in Biden*world, and then Disney is hurting a lot more than I'm presenting here. Only they will know for sure. I wouldn't want to own Disney stock right now though. I think once all is said and done I'm going to put figures for both the 2x and the 2.5x Rule of Thumb for 2023 on this list and let you decide how Disney did since Disney isn't going to tell you. YET TO BE RELEASED: A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago. source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixar-dc/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received. NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out-212-million-on-secret-invasion/ It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched. https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-selling-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/ NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory." Way to spend $212 Million, Disney. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intcmp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews
Quote:NOTE (07/24): It looks as though Disney might end up running a profit for 2023 despite their terrible woke decisions. Next week would see a slight profit if it weren't for the fact that Haunted Mansion is coming out with its now reported $157+ Million Production Budget needing at least $314 Million worldwide to break even. Since I haven't heard anything good or bad about this one, who knows how it will do, but I doubt we're going to see a Barbie repeat on this one, so breaking even in 1 weekend on this is not likely in the cards.
Quote:(07/24): Disney owes this to the surprise performance of Elemental after its first awful week in theaters. It still hasn't broken even, but sitting at 178% of the Production Budget this far out when it only grossed 24% of its Production Budget Worldwide after opening weekend is impressive. It probably won't do much better than breaking even in the end, but since it won't be the expected massive black hole that was expected on Disney's 2023 books, it may just be what Disney needed not to be completely embarrassed by actually losing money in the Box Office for 2023.
Quote:(07/24)Still though, Disney DOES want to make money, and after years of having Billion dollar hit after Billion dollar hit to have a year where they're just going to make a little bit of money is not good. There's always the possibility that Variety was right and Antman did lose tens of millions of dollars for Disney, which would mean that the Rule of Thumb increased to 2.5 from 2.0 in Biden*world, and then Disney is hurting a lot more than I'm presenting here. Only they will know for sure. I wouldn't want to own Disney stock right now though.
Monday, August 7, 2023 5:10 PM
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Thursday, August 10, 2023 10:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: FINANCIAL TIMES: Bob Iger’s Disney comeback hampered by TV woes and box office flops https://www.ft.com/content/4630ad12-6e4a-447f-9dce-ede3dc673f67?segmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9 Get fucked, Bob. Everybody knows that YOU are the reason Disney is failing and your little Chapek stunt isn't fooling anybody. -------------------------------------------------- How you do anything is how you do everything.
Thursday, August 10, 2023 11:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: FINANCIAL TIMES: Bob Iger’s Disney comeback hampered by TV woes and box office flops https://www.ft.com/content/4630ad12-6e4a-447f-9dce-ede3dc673f67?segmentId=b385c2ad-87ed-d8ff-aaec-0f8435cd42d9 Get fucked, Bob. Everybody knows that YOU are the reason Disney is failing and your little Chapek stunt isn't fooling anybody. -------------------------------------------------- How you do anything is how you do everything. Bobby put all the wrong woke people in charge, now the Disney dollars are gone.
Thursday, August 10, 2023 5:53 PM
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, August 10, 2023 11:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: We have a lot of different revenue streams, but at the box office we’re looking at now, Quote:it should do better than break even theatrically. And then we have revenue from streaming, theme parks and consumer products. This will certainly be a profitable film for the Disney company.
Quote:it should do better than break even theatrically.
Quote:The other thing I’ll say about our film budgets is that our whole company exists only to make these films. So when we say a budget, that is everything it takes to run the whole company. Sometimes, the budgets [for other films] that get reported are physical production costs and don’t include the salaries of executives and things like that. Our budgets include all of that, so there’s some accounting context that gets lost. But that doesn’t mean they’re not expensive.
Friday, August 11, 2023 8:49 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by second: Hollywood’s greatest directors keep getting drafted to make bad franchise movies. The solution is obvious: Bring Back the Hack. The problem here is two-pronged. The first is Hollywood’s penchant for sucking promising young directors into its maw, tempting them into selling their artistic souls to the franchise devil with medium-fat paychecks and the possibility of speaking to a larger audience. The second is that the movies frequently end up being lousy, extinguishing whatever hint of personality made the filmmaker attractive in the first place and revealing them to be hopelessly out of their depth when tasked with bending a massive studio movie to their will. You don’t get the unique stamp of an artist, but you also don’t get the frictionless craftsmanship that would be brought to the job by a seasoned old hand—in other words, a hack. There are many ways to define a hack, but the least judgmental is that you don’t know who they are. I’d bet there are loads of fans who enjoyed The Meg and eagerly awaited the sequel but couldn’t name its director, Jon Turteltaub. Turteltaub has been making movies in Hollywood for more than three decades, and chances are you’ve even seen a few of them: While You Were Sleeping, perhaps, or one of the National Treasures. But no one has ever referred to a movie as “the new Turteltaub,” and you won’t find cinephiles sparring in Letterboxd’s comments section over whether Cool Runnings or 3 Ninjas ranks higher in his oeuvre. Stroll down the hall from crappy Meg 2 and you might still be able to catch The Haunted Mansion, although the $150 million Disney release flopped so hard that it’s starting to vanish from theaters two weeks after it was released. Like Meg 2, it was directed by a onetime film-festival sensation: Justin Simien, who broke out at Sundance with the sharp-edged campus satire Dear White People. And like Meg 2, it’s an inert and joyless experience, the product of a filmmaker going up against the system and losing, badly. When I ducked into a showing last weekend, the audience of perhaps a dozen made their dislike audible, blowing raspberries at the attempts to inject emotional depth into a movie based on a Disneyland ride. Many More Examples of movies where a hack would have been a perfect match for a formula film instead of a famous director at https://slate.com/culture/2023/08/meg-2-haunted-mansion-disney-marvel-directors-hacks.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, August 14, 2023 12:12 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers. [ALL FIGURES UPDATED 08/07/2023] Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here: The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598 The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628 The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629 NOTE 1: I have decided to add the 2.5x Rule of Thumb and mark the existing numbers as the 2.0x Rule of Thumb that has been suggested by Variety magazine when discussing how much money Disney is losing on movies. The truth lies somewhere in the middle of both figures. However, I will still keep any movie that grossed more than 2 times the Production Budget in the Winners category for now. For more information on this, look earlier in the thread. NOTE 2: For clarity and to lessen bloat, I'm going to remove any comments I've made about weird international numbers fluctuating. You're going to see weird things happen here, like movies making a lot of money one week despite almost making nothing in the domestic box office, and other weeks where they lose money with no explanation. This just seems par for the course with international numbers, and I don't feel like cataloging it anymore. I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact. Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+: Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023) Production Budget: $170 Million source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wendy-canadian-film-industry Box Office: $0 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL] Theatrical Releases (WINNERS): Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL] Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $845,115,601 (338% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,115,601 Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,115,601 The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023) Production Budget: $250,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $564,187,251 (226% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$64,187,251 Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$60,812,749 The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023) Production Budget: $35,000,000 source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies-disney-1235620503/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget) FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,345,683 (235% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,345,683 [FINAL] Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,154,317 Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023) source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/ Production Budget: $200,000,000 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $423,808,547 (212% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$23,808,547 Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$76,191,453 Theatrical Releases (LOSERS): Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023) Production Budget: $300,000,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destiny-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $368,512,517 (123% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$231,487,483 Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$381,487,483 Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023) Production Budget: $8,000,000 source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&first_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6 Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $2,458,552 (31% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$13,541,448 Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$17,541,448 Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023) Production Budget: $157,750,000 source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget) Current Worldwide Gross: $59,862,872 (38% of Production Budget) Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$255,637,128 Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$334,512,128 TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$161,573,674 TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$861,948,674 YET TO BE RELEASED: A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown... At least $130 Million... two years ago. source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/04/11/disneys-bill-for-the-marvels-came-to-130-million-two-years-ago/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17, 2023) Production Budget: Unknown Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023) Production Budget: $200,000,000 source: https://www.thewrap.com/flash-elemental-box-office-flops-analysis-pixar-dc/ Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Untitled Disney Film [] (December 1st, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023) Production Budget: Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD Current Worldwide Gross: N/A Net Gain/Loss: TBD Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023) [CANCELLED] It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received. NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out-212-million-on-secret-invasion/ It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched. https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-selling-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/ NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory." Way to spend $212 Million, Disney. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06 https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intcmp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews
Monday, August 14, 2023 5:49 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/snow-white-actress-rachel-zegler-050410195.html Sounds like Snow White will not only replace dwarves with Woke BIPOC, but also is doing away with such non-Woke conventions as hetero romance - they are cutting out all of the scenes with Prince Charming. How much money can this one lose? Can they spend another year in RESHOOTS?
Tuesday, August 15, 2023 9:10 AM
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Quote:The list includes Lightyear (2022), Thor Love and Thunder (2022), Strange World (2022), Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022), Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023), Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3 (2023), The Little Mermaid (2023), Elemental (2023), Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023), and the Haunted Mansion (2023). The cost of all ten films, including production, marketing, and distribution, is estimated to a little over $4 billion. However, the total amount the films have brought in is approximately $2.31 billion, equaling an overall loss of around $1.865 billion.
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