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Originally posted by AURaptor:

If incoherent plots and short attention span theatre is what passes for movie making for kids, then by all means, go enjoy.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So you're comparing a modern day space saga to a 1959 slap stick comedy staring the 3 Stooges, on the tail end of their career?

Just wow.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Probably shouldn't spend half a billion dollars producing and marketing a kid's movie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hollywood doesn't understand jack squat! Just look at the trail of suck we've witnesses lately, from the Disney trilogy, Terminator: Dark Fate, Charlie's Angels, all chick Ghostbusters, CATS... whoa boy, I could go on.

And this claim that " it's a children's story " is outright nonsense. That's just retconning so Lucas could make more money, starting w/ introducing the Ewoks. After TESB, it was all down hill from there.

Now, want to know a story which WAS made for children? The Hobbit, released in 1937. But kids were more educated and mature back then, apparently.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
These shows should be required viewing in HS.
I was surprised that my 20 something yr old nephews had never even seen the original Die Hard.

Classics need to be appreciated

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Hollywood may be totally screwed up, but Burbank has never let anyone down.

(btw, I met Lisa Loring at a Megacon Sci Fi Convention a few years ago and she was wonderful. She still looks great and was very friendly.)



And then there's the best tv ever had.....

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second is attempting to troll everyone, if you haven't all figured it out yet.

Whether it was his idea or some pink haired weirdo at Salon.com, it doesn't matter.

Now that SW was a failure that we've said it would be, the new tactic is to just deride anyone who liked the originals by calling them man babies without actually saying the words. I mean, Star Wars is for kids, yanno.

It would actually be kind of smart if their historic behavior and tactics aren't already enshrined on the internet. I mean to say that they're a breed that prefers loud noise and theatrics rather than covert ops.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second is attempting to troll everyone, if you haven't all figured it out yet.

Whether it was his idea or some pink haired weirdo at Salon.com, it doesn't matter.

Now that SW was a failure that we've said it would be, the new tactic is to just deride anyone who liked the originals by calling them man babies without actually saying the words. I mean, Star Wars is for kids, yanno.

It would actually be kind of smart if their historic behavior and tactics aren't already enshrined on the internet. I mean to say that they're a breed that prefers loud noise and theatrics rather than covert ops.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I liked Star Wars 4, 5, & 6. George Lucas worked extra hard on the script for #4, revising it over and over, and it had appeal to adults. #5 had two scriptwriters, Leigh Brackett & Lawrence Kasdan, both had written for adults. They abandoned a script for #5 that wasn't working. The director was NOT George Lucas. Then Star Wars #1, 2, 3 had crap written and directed by George Lucas. Truly juvenile work that Lucas did not bother to rewrite. First draft was the final draft of the screenplay, but with flashy fights and the same old John Williams' pop orchestra music the children couldn't tell the difference.

You can actual measure how much Executive Producer George Lucas' taste in script-writing was soured as he got rich and fat by looking at Indiana Jones IV. Lucas had a perfectly good script which he tossed in the trash for an inferior one because Lucas wanted to add Indy's son, "Mutt". If Lucas adds "Mutt" then something had to be deleted to keep the run-time unchanged. Too much was deleted and reconfigured. But would children notice? Nah, they have no concept. They can't tell the difference, but Lucas wanted a younger actor to takeover from Harrison Ford, so "Mutt" had to be added.
1) 50 Strengths of Darabont’s Draft
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/06/50-strengths-of-darabonts
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2) Indiana Jones and the City of the Gods by Frank Darabont
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/indiana-jones-4.pdf
3) Fifty Flaws of Indy IV
http://mysterymanonfilm.blogspot.com/2008/05/50-flaws-of-indy-iv.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I didn't see Indiana Jones IV, or any Star Wars movie after Episode II.

At the end of the day, I kind of wish the only ones I saw were the original trilogy, but my memories of I and II are virtually gone by now, so they didn't ruin it like the sequels to the Matrix ruined the first movie for me.

I think the lesson here is that Hollywood isn't ever going to learn its lesson and we're going to keep getting half-baked reboot shit shoved in our face constantly, so it's incumbent upon us to tell them no and just not go and see any of it anymore.



For instance, I'm glad that they recognized they made a mistake with Ghostbusters 2016, but that being said, I have no real desire to see the new movie coming out at the same time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by second:

Classics need to be remade. I expect Disney will remake Star Wars -- A New Hope sometime in the next 20 years with a new actor to play Luke Skywalker, but Darth Vader will be . . . "Obi-Wan never told you. Luke, I am your Mother."y

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ouch x 2...

Episode 9 doesn't even crack $34 million for it's entire 3rd weekend domestically.

Episode 8 made that on a single Friday night during it's 3rd weekend, and repeated that feat the very next day two years ago. Episode 8's 3rd weekend total domestic take was over $90 million.



It will make over a billion. There's no doubt about that. And like I expected, after the weekend numbers the international take ($468 Million) has eclipsed the US take ($451 Million).



China hasn't even hit $30 Million yet, so it's unlikely that the Chinese market is going to be the thing that puts Episode 9 over the total take for Joker, which was not shown at all in China due to the R rating.


But then again, Joker only cost around $50 Million to make, compared to Episode 9's alleged $275 Million production budget, and we all know that Star Wars has about 100 times more marketing budget than Joker would have had.



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just happy to see it fail is all.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... This just in...

Seems everything has been updated while I was writing that post.

https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart


Jumanji's Sixth Friday estimated take: $2,175,000
Episode 8's Fifth Friday estimated take: $1,978,000

And just for fun:
Joker's Fifth Friday confirmed take: $3,810,641
Joker's Sixth Friday confirmed take: $2,527,562

Yup... It took one week longer, but it seems that Joker is beating Jumanji in the Sixth Week as well.


Unless there were some other movies that could possibly be in the top five, that puts Episode 8 in 5th place under Bad Boys For Life, Dolittle, 1917 and Jumanji.

Stick a fork in this turd.


Side note: I'm personally glad that in 2020 we've evolved to the point where we could resist the temptation to call it Bad Boys 4 Life.




EDITED TO ADD: Whoops. Joker actually beat Jumanji's 5th Friday as well ($3,346,991), although it did lose to Jumanji in the 5th Saturday and 5th Sunday by a little. Joker did beat Jumanji handily every day since Monday through the rest of it's 5th week and looking at last night's numbers it's probably safe to assume that Jumanji will not ever beat Joker's per day B.O. numbers from here on out either.



EDIT on Side Note: I think I gave them too much credit. Bad Boys 4 is in the works. I bet somebody really, REALLY wanted to call this Bad Boys 4 Life, but knowing they were already planning the fourth sequel they were probably learning from Nintendo's mistake and trying to avoid the Wii/Wii U confusion that killed their sales.

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Originally posted by whozit:
"Bad Boys for Life" has been getting good reviews, not great but good. So lets forget that big mistake Disney made last Christmas and enjoy what looks like some great flicks coming out THIS year...except "Doolittle", stay the fuck away from that. I guess ole' Rob thought people would go see him in anything, WRONG! Jim Carrey made that mistake.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'll be posting about Disney losing their ass on this turd. I'm loving every second of it, and quite enjoying putting together the graph showing Joker beating the shit out of it on the reg.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've already given Universal their due shit for Serenity.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I agree. They shouldn't have made Serenity.

I've had long discussions here in the past about why that movie was terrible. It's not that it wasn't enjoyable and/or great to see them all again, but it was terrible because of all of the stories that could have been told that weren't because they had to rush and wrap 10 seasons worth of potentiality in a 2 hour bow.

Sadly, Firefly just came out at the wrong time. Had Netflix been making TV shows and been around 10 years earlier, it almost surely would have gotten a second life like Arrested Development did.

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