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Originally posted by JO753:
I dont recall wen they started premiering blockbusterz on Wenzdayz, but I think this iz the 1st time they started on Tuezday. It wuz advertized az July 1st, but here it iz on June the 30th in all the 1st run theaterz.

Seemz to me this really goofs up any way uv figuring 'openning weekend' box offis numberz sins ulot uv fanz will see it befor Friday.

Are they figuring on getting a strong word uv mouth tsunami going, or iz this the 1st bad terminator movie and they want to cash in befor word gets out?

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Originally posted by JO753:
Jack Slater.

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You like T:G?

There wuz no footaje reuzed from the orijinal. They reshot new duplicate senez.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Seems some scenes have been re-used from the original. Nudity has been omitted - Arnold's frontal deleted.


I think this is only the second time that Arnold has appeared onscreen as 2 characters in the same scene. The other was Last Action Hero, as character Jack Slade and the bullied husband of Maria Shriver.

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Originally posted by JO753:

I feel like I've watched an episode of a TV show rather than a blockbuster epic movie.

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Jack Slater.

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thanks for the correction. What was I thinking?

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You like T:G?

There wuz no footaje reuzed from the orijinal. They reshot new duplicate senez.

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I liked it better than 3, maybe better than 4. not as much as 1 or 2.

Who is the Arnold clone? Those cuts look exactly like the original, just remastered.
I don't believe you. Do you have cites?

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Originally posted by Moose:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/01/terminator-genisys-building-young
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That one scene required an entire team to design and create a fully digital, photo-real Schwarzenegger, something that had never been done this extensively on screen with a living actor. The ambitious digital trickery required Stopsack’s team of animators and designers at MPC to labor for 12 tension-filled months to create 35 shots that fill a mere five minutes of screen time. When Stopsack, who has worked on Guardians of the Galaxy and X-Men: Days of Future Past, first heard the idea of creating a synthetic actor—or “synthespian”—he was equal parts excited and terrified. “It’s a completely crazy idea due to the sheer complexity of the task,” he says. “To work on a digital human being is considered the holy grail in visual effects.”

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I liked it better than 3, maybe better than 4. not as much as 1 or 2.

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Who is the Arnold clone? Those cuts look exactly like the original, just remastered.
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Originally posted by second:...helpfully listed alphabetically at
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/TerminatorGenisys

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As in that cartoon, it can be dangerous to disassemble a not particularly good movie into it's clunky components.

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And why wasn't Firefly's Summer Glau, from Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles fighting with Schwarzenegger? That would have made the movie more like TV, but good TV.

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And why wasn't Firefly's Summer Glau, from Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles fighting with Schwarzenegger? That would have made the movie more like TV, but good TV.

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That woud hav been kool. Why arent you a professional riter?

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Originally posted by JO753:
Like you sed, it duznt help to think too hard.

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I feel the masochistic need to take a brief detour here and mention Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which is notable for a lot of reasons, not least because it was the first time an actress from Game of Thrones played Sarah Connor. (Expect the Maisie Williams-fronted reboot sometime next decade.) Sarah Connor Chronicles ran for two seasons on Fox, ending its run just a month before Salvation hit theaters. It never quite found a groove, partially because the plot was built on helium nonsense, but there was a lot to love in the show. (James Cameron thinks so; he hired showrunner Josh Friedman as one of his Avatar sequel co-writers.)

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Originally posted by JO753:
I hate to say anything bad about my fave franchize, but this iz not a great movie.

Its not horrible. It haz its moments, but its way below par for a Terminator movie. Bad direction. Arnold did a great job. JK Simmonz wuz excellent, but alot uv the action wuz unmemorable and there were sum stoopid mistakes. The dialog wuz flat. All thingz considered, its worth a vizit tio the theater, but I feel like I'v watched an episode uv a TV show rather than a blockbuster epic movie.

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Originally posted by JO753:

You hav good ideaz! You & Second need to collaborate on the 1st Hollywood replacement movie!

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Kaylee finishes the time-travel device after a layover at Emory. She doesn't tell anyone about it. River knows she's kept the secret.

River worries, even though the math doesn't support it, that the universe will somehow try to balance itself out. That it will demand a blood sacrifice for her hubris.

"But that's just superstition," she says aloud. "Mythology. Conclusions drawn on insufficient data. Intuiting patterns out of the chaos where none exist. And the paradox issue is completely avoided in this model..."

Mal eyes her.

She stares back. "There is no monster under the bed," she says, with absolute conviction.

"Seems to me you'd know better'n most of us," Mal mutters.

When she gives Mal the final coordinates, he frowns. "This ain't the right heading for landing." He punches the numbers up a second time. "It's not far off, but nary a thing at these numbers but empty space."

"I know," she says. "It's where we were. Or a close enough approximation. Degrees of flexibility in the system..."

Orbital mechanics...absolute position...expanding universe...

The crew doesn't even know they're here. Everyone's asleep. No idea what's about to happen. And Mal, for whatever reason, is still operating on trust.

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There wuz no footaje reuzed from the orijinal. They reshot new duplicate senez.

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I liked it better than 3, maybe better than 4. not as much as 1 or 2.

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You'll get over it after several viewingz.

And I will probably like it better the next time I see it.

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Who is the Arnold clone? Those cuts look exactly like the original, just remastered.
I don't believe you. Do you have cites?

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Moose'z link tellz the story. I'v seen the orijinal probably 30 timez, including Tuezday morning befor seeing T5, so spotted the differensez rite away. A big wun you shoud hav notised iz that the main punk wuznt played by Bill Paxton.

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Originally posted by second:Serenity 2: How do Reavers clean their harpoons? They run 'em through the Wash.

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Kaylee finishes the time-travel device....

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Originally posted by JO753:
The 'tell it then do it' thing iz a good point. Its a sure fire way to kill a movie.

Then therez actorz not taking it seriously, like John Travolta in haf hiz moviez. (really, the director gets the blame for this)

And wen the action iz so badly edited that your eyeballz can see that it duznt make sens.

T5 had it all.

You hav good ideaz! You & Second need to collaborate on the 1st Hollywood replacement movie!

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You hav good ideaz! You & Second need to collaborate on the 1st Hollywood replacement movie!

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If we're adapting time-traveling stories to the movies, we should adapt the one where River saves Wash from death. It could be Serenity 2: How do Reavers clean their harpoons? They run 'em through the Wash.
www.fireflyfans.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=5185

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Kaylee finishes the time-travel device after a layover at Emory. She doesn't tell anyone about it. River knows she's kept the secret.

River worries, even though the math doesn't support it, that the universe will somehow try to balance itself out. That it will demand a blood sacrifice for her hubris.

"But that's just superstition," she says aloud. "Mythology. Conclusions drawn on insufficient data. Intuiting patterns out of the chaos where none exist. And the paradox issue is completely avoided in this model..."

Mal eyes her.

She stares back. "There is no monster under the bed," she says, with absolute conviction.

"Seems to me you'd know better'n most of us," Mal mutters.

When she gives Mal the final coordinates, he frowns. "This ain't the right heading for landing." He punches the numbers up a second time. "It's not far off, but nary a thing at these numbers but empty space."

"I know," she says. "It's where we were. Or a close enough approximation. Degrees of flexibility in the system..."

Orbital mechanics...absolute position...expanding universe...

The crew doesn't even know they're here. Everyone's asleep. No idea what's about to happen. And Mal, for whatever reason, is still operating on trust.

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by JO753:
Funny! Like it woud be eazier that way!

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Originally posted by JO753:
Funny! Like it woud be eazier that way!

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Easier to copy and re-use film from the original? Yes.
Easier to remaster or digitize film images from the original rather than create new images? Obviously, yes.
Their claim to have NOT done it is hogwash.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Soooo.....When they tranzition from reuzed footaj to new stuff, nobody woud notis?

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Soooo.....When they tranzition from reuzed footaj to new stuff, nobody woud notis?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The part that had nagged at me but I ignored was the detail, the lack of sweat on Arnold's face during this closeup. The 1984 view shows the perspiration clearly (at least on my bluray disc version) and the 2015 shot has that fake-ish patina common to films which have been remastered for 3D compatibility.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How do you spell taught? Either? Or do you spell it different depending upon the region and it's dialect?

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Have you visited
http://csumc.wisc.edu/wep/ethnicity.html

or
www.rinkworks.com/dialect]

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Originally posted by JO753:
I think youv taken a bad attitude about the movie, Second. Its not bad, its just not great like the otherz are.

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How do you spell taught? Either? Or do you spell it different depending upon the region and it's dialect?

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Still hung up on the spelling? The sement iz thick in this wun.

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The dialectifier iz an amuzing idea, but it duznt really work kuz regular English iz not capable uv showing accents or dialects.

You can see here http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=redneck&url=
http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nooalf.com%2Fplaintext.htm
that its just doing the usual 'missing letter, accent mark, toss an H in and everybody will just majikly know wut it soundz like' krappola. Its like a shady 1960z salezman taping a translusent colored plastic sheet over a black & white TV trying to fool idiots that its a color TV.

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Originally posted by JO753:
I think youv taken a bad attitude about the movie, Second. Its not bad, its just not great like the otherz are.

. . . Its like a shady 1960z salezman taping a translusent colored plastic sheet over a black & white TV trying to fool idiots that its a color TV.

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Originally posted by second:...a human with the power of a Terminator (and I do mean a human, not some human shaped puppet programmed by Skynet to kill-kill-kill Sarah Connor). This movie plays with the idea for about 2 minutes and then it falls right back into the trite "It's really a murderously crazy Terminator hiding behind a disguise, it was never human at all!"

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Originally posted by second:
Skynet has a really good trick to beat John Connor, a trick written by Laeta Elizabeth Kalogridis.

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Originally posted by JO753:

You may be prezuming too much. They obviously left alot uv stuff for the sequelz.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Look at Batman and Superman. Both hav had sum stinkerz, yet rallyed back to greatness.

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Originally posted by JO753:
The franchize iz not dependent on Arnold. Salvation wuz great without any actual Arnold.

He wuz orijinally asked to be the Reese karacter and it wuz hiz idea to be the Terminator. (Or so the story goez)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I had thought it was Lance who was Terminator, and Arnold who was the detective, so they just switched. Was Biehn not originally cast at all?

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I had thought it was Lance who was Terminator, and Arnold who was the detective, so they just switched. Was Biehn not originally cast at all?

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Wiki has the story of casting for Terminator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator#Pre-production
After the meeting, Cameron returned to money man John Daly at Hemdale Pictures saying Schwarzenegger would not play Reese but that "he'd make a hell of a Terminator". Schwarzenegger was not as excited by the film; during an interview on the set of Conan the Barbarian, an interviewer asked him about a pair of shoes he had (which were for The Terminator). Schwarzenegger responded, "Oh some shit movie I'm doing, take a couple weeks."

Cameron chose Michael Biehn for the role of Reese. Biehn was originally skeptical about the part, feeling that the film was silly. After meeting with Cameron, Biehn stated his "feelings about the project changed". Producer Gale Anne Hurd stated that "almost everyone else who came in from the audition was so tough that you just never believed that there was gonna be this human connection between Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese. They have very little time to fall in love. A lot of people came in and just could not pull it off."

Cameron wanted his pitch for money man John Daly to finalize the deal and had his friend Lance Henriksen show up to the meeting dressed and acting like the Terminator. . . . Daly was impressed by the screenplay and Cameron's sketches and passion for the film. . . . Cameron found a role for Lance Henriksen as Detective Hal Vukovich, as Henriksen had been essential to finding finances for the film.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I don't recall if I thought it at the time, but perhaps part of the reason Hicks didn't trust Bishop in Aliens was due to Reese's experience with Detective in Terminator.

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I don't recall if I thought it at the time, but perhaps part of the reason Hicks didn't trust Bishop in Aliens was due to Reese's experience with Detective in Terminator.

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Terminator 1984
Michael Biehn = Kyle Reese
Lance Henriksen = Detective Hal Vukovich

Aliens 1986
Michael Biehn = Cpl. Dwayne Hicks
Lance Henriksen = Bishop

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There is Untitled Alien Project (pre-production) with Michael Biehn rumored to be playing again Cpl. Dwayne Hicks. He has been a corporal for 30 years. It is time for a promotion. www.imdb.com/title/tt4462546/

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I had thought it was Lance who was Terminator, and Arnold who was the detective, so they just switched. Was Biehn not originally cast at all?

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Wiki has the story of casting for Terminator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator#Pre-production
After the meeting, Cameron returned to money man John Daly at Hemdale Pictures saying Schwarzenegger would not play Reese but that "he'd make a hell of a Terminator". Schwarzenegger was not as excited by the film; during an interview on the set of Conan the Barbarian, an interviewer asked him about a pair of shoes he had (which were for The Terminator). Schwarzenegger responded, "Oh some shit movie I'm doing, take a couple weeks."

Cameron chose Michael Biehn for the role of Reese. Biehn was originally skeptical about the part, feeling that the film was silly. After meeting with Cameron, Biehn stated his "feelings about the project changed". Producer Gale Anne Hurd stated that "almost everyone else who came in from the audition was so tough that you just never believed that there was gonna be this human connection between Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese. They have very little time to fall in love. A lot of people came in and just could not pull it off."

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So Linda Hamilton was originally signed on to have sex with Arnold on screen?

Hmmmmmm.

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