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Serenity's deleted scenes...

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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:30 PM

CHRISISALL


I personally would love to see a new DVD released that re-incorporated ALL of the deleted scenes. Would YOU? Or do you think the movie works better without them?

I LOVE "What a whiner."

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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Now you're gonna make me go watch again.


Thanks!

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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 7:10 PM

CHRISISALL


I actually sometimes watch Serenity & use my lightning fingers to jump to the deleted scenes in between film moments to artificially have a complete cut, sort of...

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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:42 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


The only one I think needed to be in the film is Mal and Inara in the shuttle, when he asked "Why did you leave?" and her reply is "Why didn't you ask me to stay?"




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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:53 PM

STORYMARK


Ive thought about doing a fan-edit myself for years. Put in all the deleted scenes (and finish the FX outside Inara's shuttle in the one). For the extended version of the scene where the Operative looks up Mal's backstory, Id replace the non textured version of the Operative's ship with a finished render from elsewhere in the film - but as artistic license Id have the ship leaving an Alliance city-ship. Id also do a homage/recreation of the opening of the show, using footage from the film (all set to "You can't take the sky from me" of course) which would come right between the "What was that" final line, and the real final credits.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 9:20 PM

MOOSE


Do it!

The homage to the show's credits sounds awesome!

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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:25 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Id also do a homage/recreation of the opening of the show, using footage from the film (all set to "You can't take the sky from me" of course) which would come right between the "What was that" final line, and the real final credits.

That would be gorram wonderful.

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Tuesday, April 22, 2014 10:28 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
The only one I think needed to be in the film is Mal and Inara in the shuttle, when he asked "Why did you leave?" and her reply is "Why didn't you ask me to stay?"

That was truly the best of the deleted scenes, but the last exchange between Mal & the Operative is SO Firefly, SO Joss...

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Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I have never seen a complete version with all the scenes. One would think there could be an option selectable on the disc, for it to just jump to the other scenes - they all are on the same disc, right?
I would love to have it so.
I'd also like the same thing on the Firefly set.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 6:29 AM

SIMONWHO


The "What a whiner" line was in the rough cut and it was one of my favourite bits of the film, so perfectly Mal in undercutting the Operative's pretensions. That definitely needs to go back in.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 10:09 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


The operative was telling Mal they might still come after him. What about the operative. He had to know all kinds of garbage about the alliance. I gotta say I wish in that scene Mal without warning pulled his gun and shot him for killing Book.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 6:49 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
I gotta say I wish in that scene Mal without warning pulled his gun and shot him for killing Book.

Then I would have truly hated the movie.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 10:59 PM

MIKER

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
I gotta say I wish in that scene Mal without warning pulled his gun and shot him for killing Book.

Then I would have truly hated the movie.



That's OK, just a difference of opinion. I remember in the movie when we saw he had Book killed. Remember the dead children? This guy killed Mr. Universe for no reason what so ever. He referred to himself to Mal as a monster as Mal was seeing on tape this guy killed everyone he knows. Just so Mal would have no place to hide. Like I said though, just a difference of opinion.

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Friday, April 25, 2014 11:25 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
That's OK, just a difference of opinion.

We just happened to have watched the movie tonight. The Operative ended up helping Mal & his crew and became a better man (like Mal did) so Mal killing him would have made Mal evil in the revenge thing. The Operative posed no threat then, and assisted to boot. The movie was about redemption. Revenge would have turned it into simple reactive crap, like a futuristic Death Wish.
Serenity was awesome in its execution.
Joss rocks.

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 4:31 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
That's OK, just a difference of opinion.

We just happened to have watched the movie tonight. The Operative ended up helping Mal & his crew and became a better man (like Mal did) so Mal killing him would have made Mal evil in the revenge thing. The Operative posed no threat then, and assisted to boot. The movie was about redemption. Revenge would have turned it into simple reactive crap, like a futuristic Death Wish.
Serenity was awesome in its execution.
Joss rocks.



I can not find fault in what you say. I guess it is like Teal'c from Stargate. I just don't think him realizing he is wrong after all the death and destruction he perpetrated on others, gives him a pass.

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 6:09 PM

CHRISISALL


So, you don't believe in redemption?

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:20 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


To do what this guy did means he is unstable. I don't believe people like that change, but instead take up a new direction and believe just as hard until disillusioned again. He kills children! This planet is full of people who believe hard like that. They exist on both sides of an issue and are just as committed to doing what ever they think necessary. Anyone like him is so far out there, an in lighting moment is not going to get rid of the crazy in their heads. They operate in a different realm of reality. He kills children.

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:46 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
He kills children.

So does the Taliban, and the U.S. through drone strikes.
The POINT of the movie is change & redemption, not sheer punitive action based on past transgressions.
If you believe change is not possible for an individual (or by extension, society as a whole), then you are, in your mind, condemning us to eternal war IMHO.

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Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:16 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
He kills children.

So does the Taliban, and the U.S. through drone strikes.
The POINT of the movie is change & redemption, not sheer punitive action based on past transgressions.
If you believe change is not possible for an individual (or by extension, society as a whole), then you are, in your mind, condemning us to eternal war IMHO.



Ok, I see you see no difference between our military using drones to fight terrorists and them setting off bombs at the Boston Marathon. As for mistakes being made when their army hides amongst civilians, it is a tragedy. That said there is a major difference. They target innocent children and try to attain the most possible collateral damage. Time to put this discussion to bed.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
The only one I think needed to be in the film is Mal and Inara in the shuttle, when he asked "Why did you leave?" and her reply is "Why didn't you ask me to stay?"




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That, the stories being told about Inara's affair with a 'pirate', and how she reacted to the news of Mal hooking up w/ Nandi, bring me back to the 1 simple question...

What does Inara see in Mal ?

Other than he's ruggedly handsome,and it works for the story, why is Inara so smitten w/ him ?

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:22 AM

MOOSE


He's broken and she wants to fix him.
Or could be just "because". It worked for me.

I wonder if they're going to still follow the "Inara is dying" plotline or going to discard it.

Back on topic, I was bummed when they released the Collector's DVD and it was't an extended cut.
Especially since Joss has said that many of the deletions were due mainly to running time.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
He's broken and she wants to fix him.
Or could be just "because". It worked for me.

I wonder if they're going to still follow the "Inara is dying" plotline or going to discard it.



Forget the timeline, but Joss even said that, had he gotten a chance for a few more seasons, either Book or Wash probably wouldn't have died. At least not so early on. I wonder, after ( I know the answer to this as I'm typing ) their deaths, would Joss even consider NOT offing Inara, as he apparently had originally intended ?

As for why Inara is drawn toward Mal, I don't see her as the Florence Nightingale type. He puzzles her, that much is true. I wonder if it has something to do with HER past ( possibly her own daddy issues ? ) , or maybe that she truly does see something unique in him that she's not seen in , I'm guessing hundreds , of other men.

Quote:


Back on topic, I was bummed when they released the Collector's DVD and it was't an extended cut.

Especially since Joss has said that many of the deletions were due mainly to running time.



Of all the deleted scenes, I think Inara at the Training House was prolly my fav, though Mal's " what a whiner " comment about The Operative, made me

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:54 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
That, the stories being told about Inara's affair with a 'pirate', and how she reacted to the news of Mal hooking up w/ Nandi, bring me back to the 1 simple question...

What does Inara see in Mal ?

Other than he's ruggedly handsome,and it works for the story, why is Inara so smitten w/ him ?

Her psychologist at the Companion Guild knew Inara was in love with the myth of Jesse James before she ever meets Mal.

Mal is Jesse James to Inara. She is aware of the historic Jesse James, the one romanticized in movies, festivals and museums in the 20th Century. She was actively looking for a character out of the past when she booked Serenity. It is to her great pleasure when Inara's own Jesse James is actually a far better man than the original.

There is a chasm between idealized outlaw myth and the unglamorous realities of frontier thievery, but the criminal gang behind the myth have a vulgar grace and the prosaic details of criminal endeavors become almost poetic in Inara's imagination. Mal keeps living up to her dreams.

This needs to be in sepia to look more like a portrait of the Jesse James gang.
http://prod44.deviantart.com/art/No-Power-in-the-Verse-Can-Stop-Us-Fir
efly-Crew-341876214



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:28 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


I think of all the scenes cut from the movie, the one with Inara and Mal speaking when in route to Miranda, was the one that really needed to be saved. The movie from the get go was fast and hard and the ties that bind, that give people the strength needed while going through what they were going through, was never more present than in that scene. It is a shame it got cut.

Trying to figure out why one person loves another is a fools game. There is a saying I have heard over and over through out the years. I can't see what he, she see's in him, her? In the movie Book asks Inara why she was so enamored with Mal. She said "because so few men are". That was in reference to Mal being unpredictable While most men in her eyes are very predictable.

Let's face it. Mal is a strong and decent guy. Just don't cross him.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:39 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
What does Inara see in Mal ?

Other than he's ruggedly handsome,and it works for the story, why is Inara so smitten w/ him ?


We got that answer in the pilot episode. Mal is a mystery, as "so few men are."




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Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:50 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
What does Inara see in Mal ?

Other than he's ruggedly handsome,and it works for the story, why is Inara so smitten w/ him ?


We got that answer in the pilot episode. Mal is a mystery, as "so few men are."

With her exceptional conversational skills Inara is adroitly avoiding a straight & clear explanation that might reveal too much about herself. What is a mystery is how Mal has avoided death for so many years. He is either the luckiest person in the Universe or he is the main character in a TV show that can't be killed without canceling the show. See Castle for that phenomenon.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:57 AM

AURAPTOR

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Mal is such a mystery, and yet he opens up most to ... YoSaffBridge , before he knew who she was. Now isn't that something.

I suppose Mal saw ' Saffron ' at face value, as who she appeared to be. Simple, god fearing, from an agricultural society, prolly not too much unlike his own history.

The simple answer is that the war changed Mal. Which, it certainly did, but I have to think there's more to it than just the war. There's a latent drive in Mal which I don't think was brought out in the series or BDM.

Inara may be right. There's more to Mal than meets the eye. Now, I'm not suggesting any sort of super secret Operative like past, as we suspect for Shepherd Book, but as Patience might say... " there's something there "

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:07 AM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Mal is such a mystery, and yet he opens up most to ... YoSaffBridge , before he knew who she was. Now isn't that something.

I suppose Mal saw ' Saffron ' at face value, as who she appeared to be. Simple, god fearing, from an agricultural society, prolly not too much unlike his own history.

The simple answer is that the war changed Mal. Which, it certainly did, but I have to think there's more to it than just the war. There's a latent drive in Mal which I don't think was brought out in the series or BDM.

Inara may be right. There's more to Mal than meets the eye. Now, I'm not suggesting any sort of super secret Operative like past, as we suspect for Shepherd Book, but as Patience might say... " there's something there "



I had more family as a kid is what Mal said to Saffron before he caught himself. Saffron asked back doesn't your crew talk to you about things, and Mal said they know better. Maybe Inara see's what Mal is deep in his soul?

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:39 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Maybe Inara see's what Mal is deep in his soul?


I'm thinking it is because she can't see deep in his soul is what intrigues her so much about Mal. She said that Saffron might have had Companion training because she could read people so well, and it is clear that Nandi thought she could read the "true" Mal. There are times Inara thinks she can read Mal, but then he also surprises her on many occasions.




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Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
Maybe Inara see's what Mal is deep in his soul?


I'm thinking it is because she can't see deep in his soul is what intrigues her so much about Mal. She said that Saffron might have had Companion training because she could read people so well, and it is clear that Nandi thought she could read the "true" Mal. There are times Inara thinks she can read Mal, but then he also surprises her on many occasions.

I know somebody who can see Mal's soul -- Jose Molina.

Jose Molina wrote the "Ariel" episode and half of "Trash". When Molina explains Mal, his explanations are better than Inara's or Nandi's or Saffron's because Molina was there when Mal was created. Molina shows us who Mal really is by jumping Mal's story 45 years forward.

Molina wrote Mal as a seventy-odd year old man in the story "Take the Sky" in the book http://titanbooks.com/firefly-still-flying-a-celebration-of-joss-whedo
ns-acclaimed-tv-series-4540
/

That same story got reprinted in http://titanbooks.com/firefly-a-celebration-anniversary-edition-6372/ If the story is not near Mal's true characteristics, Joss Whedon could have edited it to bring it back into alignment with his vision of Mal.

Molina wrote Mal as an old recluse. Today there must be a hundred million of men just like Mal becomes. All those millions of lives aren't particular special. I've seen many. Once upon a time, Mal was somebody special because he was living with people who were very exceptional. You might think some of that exceptionalism could have rubbed off on Mal. You would be wrong if Jose Molina, who wrote for Firefly, is right. Even Jayne ended in a far better place than Mal, according to Molina.

As for the Tams: “If Simon was brain and Kaylee was heart, then River was spirit. The Tam family was a confluence of all good things, and it eased Mal's weary mind to think of them on some distant place far, far away from his desolate rock.”

As for Mal: “Happiness had visited him rarely in his waning years, the quiet and the stillness of age replacing the chaotic commotion of his youth.”

Mal seemed magical when surrounded by the best people. When they went away, the magic left with them, leaving just Mal, a witness to other people's greatness. Mal's biggest mistake in life was his going his own way, alone.

Making mistakes and not learning from them is a big part of Mal's character.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:55 PM

MIKER

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I don't think it matters what the original concept of who Mal was matters. What I think matters is what the concept of Mal was during the taping of the show and movie and what Nathan brought to the role. That differed greatly from the original concept. Mal was raised through rose colored glasses until the war of independence showed him what the verse was really like. Harsh and cruel. It took from him all he loved but he tried to create a new family aboard Serenity. A family who according to Book, he was very protective of.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by MIKER:
I don't think it matters what the original concept of who Mal was matters. What I think matters is what the concept of Mal was during the taping of the show and movie and what Nathan brought to the role. That differed greatly from the original concept. Mal was raised through rose colored glasses until the war of independence showed him what the verse was really like. Harsh and cruel. It took from him all he loved but he tried to create a new family aboard Serenity. A family who according to Book, he was very protective of.

Mal is transparent to Jose Molina and Joss Whedon, even when the other characters in the show and the show's audience are being mesmerized by Mal's obvious charms. Mal is a mystery to Inara, but not to Joss, who knows the character inside out. (Joss needs to do some serious explaining if he doesn't know Mal yet.)

Besides being able to survive his catastrophic mistakes, Mal's bigger achievement is to catalyze other people's loyalty in Mal. He is a natural born leader. His orders aren't good, but that's the way it is – some are worse than others.

Mal's followers see what they want to see in Mal. The Leaves on the Wind comic, still running, has ex-Browncoats imagining that Mal can be their new leader in overthrowing the Alliance. Too much imagination gets those Browncoats killed, so they never learn that Mal is not the genius strategist they think he is. I'm sure that Jose Molina and Joss Whedon understand the tricks that Mal's legend (and Nathan Fillion's personality ) can play on people's brains.

All this blind loyalty probably disturbs the hell out of Mal. He doesn't feel worthy of it and that's why he becomes a recluse in Jose Molina's story "Take the Sky".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 2:04 PM

CHRISISALL


I don't have "Take The Sky" because I read a review that mentioned that story. I tend not to like 'what-became-of' stories.

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:53 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
I don't have "Take The Sky" because I read a review that mentioned that story. I tend not to like 'what-became-of' stories.

It is the final story in both books. I sure do hope the comic sends Mal to a different fate than the one in "Take The Sky", something more glorious than an eventual death notice to the crew sent by a court appointed backwoods lawyer handling the paperwork on Mal's tiny estate. Mal deserves better. We might know soon whether or not Mal fades into insignificance because the next comic issue comes out on Wednesday. Last issue is two months away. Hoping the best for Mal, fearing for the worst.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:20 PM

MIKER

Once I found Serenity


I guess I should have read more comics as a child. I have those left behind and Better days and I noticed something very different from the series and the books. The characters in the books all seem to be of super hero status. Everything is exaggerated to the extreme. In the series, stories like Ariel or Objects in Space had some thought behind them. I don't get that with the comics. Maybe as I look further into it I will see some character development but for now it just seems to me to be shootem up stuff.

What is next in line after Better Days?

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Wednesday, June 11, 2014 2:51 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
The only one I think needed to be in the film is Mal and Inara in the shuttle, when he asked "Why did you leave?" and her reply is "Why didn't you ask me to stay?"




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That's my choice and I think it would have made the movie better. Great scene. It would have extended a break in the action and enhanced the character plot of the two.

si shen

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Wednesday, June 11, 2014 2:57 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by femmefan1946:


Other than he's ruggedly handsome,and it works for the story, why is Inara so smitten w/ him ?


We got that answer in the pilot episode. Mal is a mystery, as "so few men are." b]


And, Core or no, her own family background is questionable. At what age do Companions start training to be, in effect, sex therapists? If they are introduced as available for hire at 18, how young do they start training? And what sort of family encourages their children to go into such a 'respectable ' profession?





Let's see if I can do this. I looks pretty simple. If my quotes come out screwed up...oh well.

I seem to remember Inara saying to her client in the shows pilot she was born there. Maybe many companions are simply the children of other companions.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:07 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I seem to remember Inara saying to her client in the shows pilot she was born there. Maybe many companions are simply the children of other companions.


Inara said she was born on Sihnon, one of the Core planets. I'm pretty sure she did not say she was born in a Companion training house.




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by ecgordon:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
What does Inara see in Mal ?

Other than he's ruggedly handsome,and it works for the story, why is Inara so smitten w/ him ?


We got that answer in the pilot episode. Mal is a mystery, as "so few men are."




wo men ren ran zai fei xing.


Everybody tells her she is beautiful, etc. Not Mal. He doesn't pay her, she pays him rent - it's a business relationship, which under PC rules means romantically off limits.
Maybe those are parts of the mystery, or the intrigue which made her look at the mystery that is Mal.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by femmefan1946:
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Other than he's ruggedly handsome,and it works for the story, why is Inara so smitten w/ him ?


We got that answer in the pilot episode. Mal is a mystery, as "so few men are."


And, Core or no, her own family background is questionable. At what age do Companions start training to be, in effect, sex therapists? If they are introduced as available for hire at 18, how young do they start training? And what sort of family encourages their children to go into such a 'respectable ' profession?



Let's see if I can do this. I looks pretty simple. If my quotes come out screwed up...oh well.

I seem to remember Inara saying to her client in the shows pilot she was born there. Maybe many companions are simply the children of other companions.

si shen


I thought Companion training started around 12 or earlier. Forget where I got that - was it in Official Companion? Or deleted scenes? Or script with Sheydra?

Like ECG said, she was born on Sihnon.

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Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:40 PM

THGRRI


I think you guys are right. I will look for it when I watch it again.

si shen

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