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a new fan

POSTED BY: MELLOWFLOYD
UPDATED: Friday, March 26, 2004 13:39
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Monday, March 8, 2004 7:00 PM

MELLOWFLOYD


I just wanted to say hi to everyone! Hi! I must confess, I didn't really watch Firefly when it first came out... I saw a couple of episodes on the Space Channel last month and I loved it! So, I bought the complete series on dvd and watched it all this last weekend! Best 20hrs(?) I spent watching TV ever! The plot is great, the characters are great, everything about Firefly was great! At the end of the last of the special features, I was so sad that my Firefly experience was coming to an end and so angry at Fox for cancelling such a great show... Sigh... I was so excited when I found out that there's gonna be a movie! So, in conclusion, FIREFLY ROCKS!


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Monday, March 8, 2004 7:05 PM

DTT


Welcome to the wonderful world of waiting for a great movie!!!!

"You didn't have to wound that man."
"Yeah, I know. It was just funny."

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 12:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yep, welcome. That was the best 35$ I spent getting the Firefly DVD (thanks Amazon.com) I've had lots of fun going back and watching the DVD over and over,catching little things , bloopers and such that I had missed before. Enjoy.

Holy flirking schnit!

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 3:19 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Welcome to the board MellowFloyd. It is always great to see a new fan join the fold. You came in at a good time, since you have the DVD set, and the movie is due to start shooting in a couple of months.

Glad you enjoyed the DVD set. The joy of that set is you can watch it anytime you want, you have the commentaries & special features, and there is Adam singing the "Hero of Canton". Great stuff.

Hope to see you posting w/ us often.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 3:48 AM

TEELABROWN


*Teela enters in the Official Unofficial gear*

Welcome! Enjoy your stay!

And yes, Firefly rocks. GO FIREFLY!

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"No one reads these things any way."- Bart on Blackboard

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 8:10 AM

SHINY


*Shiny enters in unofficial unofficial gear*

Welcome, fellow browncoat! As your initiation, drop and give us 20 "GORRAM FOX"es!

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 9:29 AM

DYAIRVATREE


Welcome mellowfloyd! Just in case you haven't found it yet since you just got your set. There is a hidden feature where Adam sings Hero of Canton just go to the special features on the fourth disk scroll to Joss Sings the Firefly theme and hit the left arrow and hit play.

You probably found it allready but if you haven't it's Hi-larious.

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 9:59 AM

JACEN


Welcome, Mellowfloyd!

Gorram, I hadn't found the hidden feature on the dvd until this very moment and just watched it laughing out loud, it's so funny where Adam sings the song with the cap on (nice shirt, too )

You can't take the sky from me

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 10:29 AM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave


ni haody mellowfloyd! you don't know how it warms this old veteran's heart to hear about all the newbies coming in thanks to the super shiny DVDs. Sit a spell, have a cup of very fresh wine and share a story or two. we'll look forward to getting to know you.

We have art so as not to die of truth ~ Neitzsche
http://www.mnartists.org/artistHome.do?rid=7922

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Tuesday, March 9, 2004 9:22 PM

MELLOWFLOYD


Lol! I didn't know about the Hero of Canton feature! Heh heh!

You're hilarious. Sadist.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:51 AM

SCIFIDO


I just wanted to add my name to the new arrivals list.

I have posted a few times and have been reading ever since I heard the DVD was coming.

My big hope is that a TV series returns after Serenity. Joss will need a day job, wont he?

This is a great site and thats why I visit at least twice daily! Thanks.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:55 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Welcome SciFido. Happy to have you w/ us.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:44 AM

LIZWHIZ


Hello all :) I'm a relatively new joiner, but I've been enjoying this site for months. I just decided it was time to ...well... type. Instead of just reading. I love this show. Sigh. Only a year and a bit left to wait. :)

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:27 AM

LISSA


hello all:)

lizwhiz-is your name liz? my name is liz too (yay!). except online i've been lissa since like 6th grade (high school senior now) so ya, my name is lissa. howdy:)

~lissa, spwhore

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:36 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by LizWhiz:
Hello all :) I'm a relatively new joiner, but I've been enjoying this site for months. I just decided it was time to ...well... type. Instead of just reading. I love this show. Sigh. Only a year and a bit left to wait. :)



Welcome LizWhiz. Glad to have you w/ us. Pull up a keyboard and type awhile.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:36 AM

SHINY


Welcome to our little corner of the browncoat 'verse, SciFiDo and LizWhiz!



RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:19 PM

SCIFIDO


Thanks for the warm hospitality.

This is one of the nicest fan sites I have ever seen.

I've watched every FF episode at least twice, and I keep finding more to like.

Now I just have to settle in for the waiting game. On the up side, every moment, Serenity is closer.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:25 PM

ECMORGAN69


Quote:

Originally posted by mellowfloyd:
I just wanted to say hi to everyone! Hi! I must confess, I didn't really watch Firefly when it first came out... I saw a couple of episodes on the Space Channel last month and I loved it! So, I bought the complete series on dvd and watched it all this last weekend! Best 20hrs(?) I spent watching TV ever! The plot is great, the characters are great, everything about Firefly was great! At the end of the last of the special features, I was so sad that my Firefly experience was coming to an end and so angry at Fox for cancelling such a great show... Sigh... I was so excited when I found out that there's gonna be a movie! So, in conclusion, FIREFLY ROCKS!




Welcome to FFFn. I just joined up here myself a couple of months ago, and I've been tossing my unsolicited opinions around ever since

Enjoy the DVD set. You definitely won't regret having them.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:28 PM

ECMORGAN69


Quote:

Originally posted by SciFido:
I just wanted to add my name to the new arrivals list.

I have posted a few times and have been reading ever since I heard the DVD was coming.

My big hope is that a TV series returns after Serenity. Joss will need a day job, wont he?

This is a great site and thats why I visit at least twice daily! Thanks.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.



And a shiny welcome to you as well, Scifido! We need all the new Browncoats we can find. Enjoy the site, and I hope you too have the DVD set, so you can always enjoy an episode when you want.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:33 PM

ECMORGAN69


Quote:

Originally posted by LizWhiz:
Hello all :) I'm a relatively new joiner, but I've been enjoying this site for months. I just decided it was time to ...well... type. Instead of just reading. I love this show. Sigh. Only a year and a bit left to wait. :)



And a hap-hap-happy welcome to you too, LizWhiz. I hope you enjoy this site, and feel free to opine as well. However, you may want to keep your distance from the more politically-minded threads unless you brought your kevlar/nomex long-johns as they can, at times, get a bit heated.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:00 PM

SCIFIDO


And a shiny welcome to you as well, Scifido! We need all the new Browncoats we can find. Enjoy the site, and I hope you too have the DVD set, so you can always enjoy an episode when you want.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah, you, FOX TV!!


You betcha Gorram bottom I've got the DVDs. It was my only Christmas present to myself. Nobody paid any attention to my hints.

Now, I am selectively lending them to spread the word and expand the viewer 'verse.


OK, but what's the speed of dark?

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Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:37 PM

LISSA


Quote:

Originally posted by SciFido:
It was my only Christmas present to myself. Nobody paid any attention to my hints.



teeheehee:)

~lissa, spwhore

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:53 AM

KARENKAY


thank you!!
thank you!!
thank you!!
i never would have found adam singing hero of canton without you.
yes, computer & dvd deficient.
thank you!!

"Huh."

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:30 AM

LISSA


hello there, qinggai!

~lissa, spwhore

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:39 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by qinggai:
Hello everyone! I'm a new Firefly fan too. I'm afraid I didn't watch it while it ran, but I've been a Whedonverse fan for a couple of years and my friend recently got me into Firefly and I'm hooked!

This site is just incredible! Glad to be here and nice to meet you all!



Welcome Qinggai. Glad to have you with us. Make yourself at home and jump right into the conversations.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:36 AM

HILDY


I'm new as well. I remember reading the preliminary material on "Firefly" back when Rebecca Gayheart was slated to play Inara. With other things going on, I never remembered when the show was on, except seeing for the end scenes of "Jaynestown". I kept hearing about how great it was from friends, though. Then the DVDs were released and I bought myself a set on a whim. My "to be viewed" pile is as bad as my "to be read" pile, so it took me awhile to get there. Then one long weekend, I wanted something to watch. Why not "Firefly"? If I didn't like it, I knew a friend who would take the set off my hands. Then I saw "Serenity" and the rest is history. "Once you enter Serenity, you never want to leave..." I spread out the discs over several weeks, finally finishing watching just before the movie news. Nice timing on my part. Otherwise, I would have been staring at the dvds mournfully saying "No more?" I wistfully look at the tv section on Suncoast, swearing there should be a second season up there. What surprised me was the serious moments. I knew "Firefly" had laugh out loud moments, but when that last scene in "The Message" appeared, I was close to tears, even more so after hearing Edmonson saying it was a goodbye song for the song.

So... that's me. That's why I'm here.

They're not taking the sky from me... not without a fight anyway.

Hildy

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:11 AM

QINGAI


Okay, so I'm a big dolt and misspelled my name in the alias, lol.

Thanks, Browncoat1 and Lissa, for the welcome! I'm still trying to find my way around the site (there's just so much to see!), but I'll be sure to jump right in.

I'm going to save up and maybe buy the Firefly DVD's with my tax refund. Until then, I can watch 'em whenever I want with my friend. Ah, where would we be without friends?


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Thursday, March 11, 2004 4:48 PM

CYBERSNARK


Howdé again. Fellow newbie. Nothin' to see.

Been watching the show since The Train Job. Still haven't gotten the DVDs, since I'm in gorram Ottawa (i.e., everything not sports- or politics-related just doesn't bother coming here ), but they're on the to-buy list. Y'know, when I have money.

Originally hooked (late) on Buffy, then Angel, by now it's just a general Joss-fanness. And hey, being a beginning writer myself, I can call it continuing education.

Y'know, every board has its own character. This place is nicely casual and laid back. It'll make a nice respite from the nuthouses I usually frequent.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:18 PM

MELLOWFLOYD


Yay! More Canadians! Not that I don't like our southern neighbours, of course. Go Canada! And to update you on a little hockey news: Poor Bertuzzi... I know what he did was wrong, but he's genuinely sorry...the poor guy broke down on tv for goodness sakes...

You're hilarious. Sadist.

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:35 PM

SHINY


Welcome Qinggai/Qingai and Hildy! In case no one else has told you yet, all newbies have to convert at least 5 new browncoats, or else undergo the "hazing ritual" (hint: it involves blue gloves...)

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:35 PM

MISSOURIFIREFLY


Yup, people on this site are so nice! I really want to thank everyone for all the welcomes on the thread I posted a couple of days ago, too (I had never started a thread before!). And it's neat to meet so many other new Firefly fans. What a great time and place to be a Browncoat!

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:47 PM

CARLATAM


Is anyone else here from Australia?

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Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:55 PM

NUR


Quote:

Originally posted by mellowfloyd:
Yay! More Canadians! Not that I don't like our southern neighbours, of course. Go Canada! And to update you on a little hockey news: Poor Bertuzzi... I know what he did was wrong, but he's genuinely sorry...the poor guy broke down on tv for goodness sakes...

You're hilarious. Sadist.



I just love how we Canadians always get so excitied about finding eachother. Canada is shiny!

Those who restrain desire, do so because thiers is weak enough to be restrained.
-William Blake

O my Lord! bestow wisdom on me, and join me with the righteous.
-Qur'an 26:83

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Friday, March 12, 2004 5:41 AM

QINGAI


Thanks for the welcome, Shiny!

5 new browncoats, huh? Well, I'm working on at least one right now. He's so not a Buffy/Angel fan, but I think he'd really like Firefly.

And my little sis, who is a Buffy/Angel fan, is a very likely convert as well.

Ah, spreadin the love of the Whedonverse is a lovely thing!

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Friday, March 12, 2004 5:46 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by qingai:
Thanks for the welcome, Shiny!

5 new browncoats, huh? Well, I'm working on at least one right now. He's so not a Buffy/Angel fan, but I think he'd really like Firefly.

And my little sis, who is a Buffy/Angel fan, is a very likely convert as well.

Ah, spreadin the love of the Whedonverse is a lovely thing!



Keep spreading the word on Firefly Qingai. We need all the Browncoats we can get to make the movie a success and see a return of the series.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:07 AM

LIZWHIZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Howdé again. Fellow newbie. Nothin' to see.

Been watching the show since The Train Job. Still haven't gotten the DVDs, since I'm in gorram Ottawa (i.e., everything not sports- or politics-related just doesn't bother coming here ), but they're on the to-buy list. Y'know, when I have money.

Originally hooked (late) on Buffy, then Angel, by now it's just a general Joss-fanness. And hey, being a beginning writer myself, I can call it continuing education.

Y'know, every board has its own character. This place is nicely casual and laid back. It'll make a nice respite from the nuthouses I usually frequent.

-----
We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.



Cybersnark!
Ottawa! Wow, a person from my corner of the world. I'm originally from Renfrew and I never find people on the 'net from around Ottawa. Way cool. Very Shiny. And a fellow writer too. Wow.

I also got into Buffy and Angel late, but the Jossverse has enveloped me and I bask in its fabulousness.

:)

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Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:40 AM

WERZBOWSKI


Woa.... I was starting to think I was the only Browncoat in the Ottawa area.

Cybersnark & LizWhiz, Ni Hao.

"Wherever you go, there you are."
- Dr. B. Banzai

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Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:31 PM

ANGELDOVE


Hi, welcome! I have created a total of 6 fans, still quite a low number, but I find it dificult to convince people to give it a chance. After the first ep each of them has been hooked, and all very irritated at me that I made them watch a show that was canceled and they can't have more. They get over it pretty quick however. They realize its kind of like the theory on love "It's better to have loved (Firefly) and lost (Firefly) then never to have loved (Firefly) at all" I like it better this way. But now that we have a movie... I am glad it is no longer befitting.

Also, none of them can figure out how it was that they didn't know it was on tv. Then I explain the Marketing Genuis of Fox.



Tzao jing-chang mei yong duh tyen-sahs!
[Goddamn consistantly useless bastards!]

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Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:48 PM

ANGELDOVE




Quote:

I also got into Buffy and Angel late, but the Jossverse has enveloped me and I bask in its fabulousness.


Buffy and Angel are also shows that I have a hard time getting people to try out, even after they have become fans of Firefly. I also got into both Buffy and Angel late, if FX hadn't had a Buffy marathon one boring Thanksgiving day, I'm not sure I ever would have entered the Jossverse, as my fandom of those two shows drew me to Firefly in the first place. My boyfriend wasn't at all pleased with my buffy marathon watching, since we had rented a condo at the beach and I stayed in all day watching tv while he actually went out to play...I wonder if that's why we broke up...so just kidding!



Giles: No, it's not working out.
Buffy: Giles, are you breaking up with your car?
Giles: Well, it did seduce me, all red and sporty!
Buffy: Little two-door tramp.

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Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:52 PM

TOMTBA2004


welcome. I did wacth it when it was first on and when i got the series on dvd i fell in love allover agian. PLease try to get your friends to get the series also. I Am.



enjoy your stay

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Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:28 PM

DIEGO


Hello! I've never entered into an on-line discussion thread before, but I've been a fan for a while and have been admiring this website for ages and it's about time for me to dive in. From lurking on the edges and generally checking out this site I can already tell that this is an amazing group of folks here.

Also, please forgive any faux-pas I may make. Beyond common-sense good manners i don't know much about the proper ettiquette.

P.S. Has anyone else thught about what implications the design of Alliance cruisers has in terms of the government that builds them and the function they serve? I have some opinions on this, but they might be utter tripe.

P.P.S. I plan on posting some pics of a painstakingly detailed lego model of Serenity once I get some flattering digital pics.

P.P.P.S. Is it good form to wander over so many subjects in a single post, or does it confuse things?

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Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:28 AM

SERENA


Nice ta meetcha, Mellowfloyd and all the other newbies.

As a Vancouverite I appreciate your support of Bertuzzi, Mellowfloyd. He's not that kind of player generally, but now will have to live with this, in a very public way, for the rest of his life.

Please help Haken keep this site running by clicking on a google ad on the side of the page!

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Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:36 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Diego:
Hello! I've never entered into an on-line discussion thread before, but I've been a fan for a while and have been admiring this website for ages and it's about time for me to dive in. From lurking on the edges and generally checking out this site I can already tell that this is an amazing group of folks here.



Welcome Diego! It is a pleasure to greet a new Browncoat. Make yourself at home.

Quote:

Also, please forgive any faux-pas I may make. Beyond common-sense good manners i don't know much about the proper ettiquette.


Don't worry about faux-pas. We are pretty laid back here.

Quote:

P.S. Has anyone else thught about what implications the design of Alliance cruisers has in terms of the government that builds them and the function they serve? I have some opinions on this, but they might be utter tripe.


I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on the Alliance cruisers, their function, and theories behind their design. Start a new topic on it and I am sure plenty of people here will check it out & offer up discussion.

Quote:

P.P.S. I plan on posting some pics of a painstakingly detailed lego model of Serenity once I get some flattering digital pics.


I would be very interested in seeing any pics that you might have of a Lego model of Serenity. You can post them in the Blue Sun Room. A how to guide would be great too.

Quote:

P.P.P.S. Is it good form to wander over so many subjects in a single post, or does it confuse things?


We tend to stray off topic a bit, so don't worry about it. Of course if you want more discussion on something off topic, it is better to post a new thread.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:46 AM

TEELABROWN


Quote:

all newbies have to convert at least 5 new browncoats, or else undergo the "hazing ritual" (hint: it involves blue gloves...)


I did the "hazing ritual". Why do you think I do such a good River?



But I do have at least 5 converts.

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Teela Brown, keeper of bad typing.
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Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:47 AM

TEELABROWN


*Teela pops back in in Official Unofficial gear*

Welcome all! Please, enjoy your stay!

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Teela Brown, keeper of bad typing.
"No one reads these things any way."- Bart on Blackboard

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Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:32 AM

GUILDSSISTER


This is my first day posting to this site, too. I'm not a new fan, watched it from the beginning and bought the DVDs the minute they came out, but I have been actively converting all my friends. So far, I've show the first disk to my best friend and her fiance - they loved it so much they ran out the next day and bought the set. I've given it to two people at work - both new converts, and will be giving it to another older coworker next month (she's on vacation). In two weeks another friend comes to visit for the weekend, and guess what I told her we were going to watch???? Right!

So that makes 4 converts plus 2 more in the next month.....not a rabid fan, but a mite persistent!

Glad to meet you all! Hope to attend some shindigs and gatherings soon!


Guild Sister

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Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:48 PM

TEELABROWN


*Teela enters still in Official Unofficial gear*

Welcome Guildssiter! Please, enjoy your stay!

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Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:58 PM

THEFOP


Quote:

Originally posted by LizWhiz:
Quote:

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Howdé again. Fellow newbie. Nothin' to see.

Been watching the show since The Train Job. Still haven't gotten the DVDs, since I'm in gorram Ottawa (i.e., everything not sports- or politics-related just doesn't bother coming here ), but they're on the to-buy list. Y'know, when I have money.

Originally hooked (late) on Buffy, then Angel, by now it's just a general Joss-fanness. And hey, being a beginning writer myself, I can call it continuing education.

Y'know, every board has its own character. This place is nicely casual and laid back. It'll make a nice respite from the nuthouses I usually frequent.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.



Cybersnark!
Ottawa! Wow, a person from my corner of the world. I'm originally from Renfrew and I never find people on the 'net from around Ottawa. Way cool. Very Shiny. And a fellow writer too. Wow.

I also got into Buffy and Angel late, but the Jossverse has enveloped me and I bask in its fabulousness.

:)





I'm not from Ottawa, personally, but it's a place I wind up going a fair bit. I have family there


As I recall, there's a pretty damn good video/dvd place in Carlingwood mall, near the sears. You might try there for FF dvds if you haven't already ordered them. And if they stock them, tell me would you? I need to get a set somewhere, and I'll be passing through our nation's capital in a few weeks



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Friday, March 26, 2004 6:51 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by thefop:
As I recall, there's a pretty damn good video/dvd place in Carlingwood mall, near the sears. You might try there for FF dvds if you haven't already ordered them. And if they stock them, tell me would you? I need to get a set somewhere, and I'll be passing through our nation's capital in a few weeks



I'll check it out next time I'm up that way. May not be 'till after Easter though, since I'm car-less and public transpo scares me (bad experiences in Kingston).

Ordering online usually runs into the "no credit card" issue. Me being a student 'n all.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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