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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 4:11 PM

OUTLANDER


http://comingsoon.net/news.php?id=3750

Universal Gives Serenity the Green Light

Source: Universal Pictures

Wednesday, March 3, 2004

Joss Whedon - the Oscar and Emmy-nominated writer/director responsible for the worldwide television phenomena of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel - is set to make his feature film directorial debut with the futuristic action-adventure Serenity, it was announced today by Mary Parent and Scott Stuber, vice chairmen, production, Universal Pictures.

Based on Whedon's cult hit television series Firefly (which has taken on a second life following its December 9, 2003, DVD release, winning new fans and critical praise worldwide), Serenity will continue and expand upon the adventures of the memorable characters launched in the series, who will be joined by new characters created expressly for the motion picture adaptation. Whedon will act as both screenwriter and director, with Barry Mendel (The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable and the upcoming Wes Anderson film, The Life Aquatic) producing and Chris Buchanan (president of Whedon's Mutant Enemy production company) and Alisa Tager (of Barry Mendel Productions) serving as executive producers. The Serenity cast will include such returning "Firefly" cast members as Nathan Fillion as Captain Malcolm 'Mal' Reynolds, Gina Torres as Zoe Warren, Morena Baccarin as Inara Serra, Jewel Staite as Kaylee Frye, Adam Baldwin as Jayne Cobb, Sean Maher as Dr. Simon Tam and Summer Glau as River Tam.

"We have wanted to be in business with Joss Whedon for a long time and we're incredibly excited to be working with him on his feature film directorial debut," stated Parent and Stuber. "Joss is a true creator, whose talent crosses all mediums. His mythic worlds are inhabited with rich, detailed and very human characters. 'Serenity' will provide him with a great opportunity to paint another larger-than-life canvas with very identifiable, real characters at the heart of the story."

Whedon - whose compelling use of character, place and dramatic development helped "Buffy" and Angel to break down genre walls and cross over into global hit mainstream territory - now applies his trademark compassion and wit to a small band of galactic outcasts 500 years in the future. The film centers around Captain Malcolm Reynolds, a hardened veteran (on the losing side) of a galactic civil war, who now ekes out a living pulling off small crimes and transport-for-hire aboard his ship, "Serenity." He leads a small, eclectic crew who are the closest thing he has left to family -- squabbling, insubordinate and undyingly loyal.

When Mal takes on two new passengers - a young doctor and his unstable, telepathic sister - he gets much more than he bargained for. The pair are fugitives from the coalition dominating the universe, who will stop at nothing to reclaim the girl. The crew that was once used to skimming the outskirts of the galaxy unnoticed find themselves caught between the unstoppable military force of the Universal Alliance and the horrific, cannibalistic fury of the Reavers, savages who roam the very edge of space. Hunted by vastly different enemies, they begin to discover that the greatest danger to them may be on board "Serenity" herself.



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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 4:15 PM

FIREFLYWILDCARD1


Quote:

Hunted by vastly different enemies, they begin to discover that the greatest danger to them may be on board "Serenity" herself.


Damn. I wonder if this means that River turns on the crew? That would be scary. I so can't wait to see the movie!

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 4:20 PM

SUCCATASH



Interesting to know who the new characters "created expressly for the motion picture adaptation" will be.


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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 4:48 PM

TRASK43


I dont really like the sound of mal takes on new passengers (simon and river) it makes it sound like there going to re-introduce the characters which doesnt really fit with the six months on story that we've been reading. Although it does fit with the whole making it accessible to new people as everyone else in the crew are reasonably self explanatary but it would be hard for a newcomer to grasp the simon/river story without having to go over there history which I dont think Joss wants do.

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 4:54 PM

JRC


Uh-oh. Once again, no mention of Wash or Shephard. Don't tell me they're not going to be on board Serenity..........

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:03 PM

SUCCATASH


Quote:

Originally posted by JRC:
Uh-oh. Once again, no mention of Wash or Shephard. Don't tell me they're not going to be on board Serenity..........

I wonder if the reason is simply pay. Before Wash and Book became such popular characters, Alan and Ron probably signed up for a minor role/minor pay deal initially with Fox.

Universal may want to treat them the same way, minor role=minor pay, and the actors feel they deserve more money.

Just my guess.

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:05 PM

GRRARGG


Two thoughts:

A) It's very early in the pre-production phase, so it's no big deal that we don't have our beloved Book and Wash just yet. I'm honestly surprised they have so many signed on this soon! I mean, I'm glad, but these are all busy, working people (even if you can't just tune in and see some of them on some other show right now). So, don't get too worried about our two MIA crewmembers just yet. I betcha they'll turn up soon.

B) I wonder what Big Name Star they'll get to pad the film's overall casting. I can't see Joss getting everyone on board -- I mean the executives -- with just the relative unknowns of the television cast. Hell, Dame Judi is doing Riddick, so maybe we'll see Mal's father played by Harrison Ford or something....

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:09 PM

WERZBOWSKI


Quote:

Originally posted by JRC:
Uh-oh. Once again, no mention of Wash or Shephard. Don't tell me they're not going to be on board Serenity..........



Yah... I'm starting to get a little worried myself that Book & Wash keep getting left out of the character roster.

What's up with that? I will be less than impressed if they're not in the movie.

"Wherever you go, there you are."
- Dr. B. Banzai

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:38 PM

SUCCATASH


Quote:

Originally posted by GrrArgg:
these are all busy, working people

Yeah, but this sort of thing is handled by agents, I think.

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:50 PM

BLUESUNCORPORATEGOON


Quote:

Originally posted by JRC:
Uh-oh. Once again, no mention of Wash or Shephard. Don't tell me they're not going to be on board Serenity..........



now i was looking back at the older threads and remember coming upon one that was something akin to 'Firefly movie hits stumbling block despite Universal's support'

which got me thinking,what if the inablility to get Wash and Book to sign on the dotted line was the aforementioned stumbling block,be it money or availability,that may be it.

food for thought...BSCG

I'll be in my bunk.-Jayne

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:55 PM

JHARROD


Quote:

Originally posted by trask43:
I dont really like the sound of mal takes on new passengers (simon and river) it makes it sound like there going to re-introduce the characters which doesnt really fit with the six months on story that we've been reading. Although it does fit with the whole making it accessible to new people as everyone else in the crew are reasonably self explanatary but it would be hard for a newcomer to grasp the simon/river story without having to go over there history which I dont think Joss wants do.

www.summer-glau.com



Perhaps it was just reviewing the overall story for the series?

"They tell ya to never hit a man with a closed fist, but it is on occassion hilarious"

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 7:17 PM

RKLENSETH


Actual this would make sense. They want to distant themselves from the Firefly series and since FOX would get money if it looked a lot like the series it might mean that this won't be the Firefly we know.

I think it may be a different looking ship, different looking constumes and props, and even different storyline. It might be a lot like Serenity episode but more epic, violent, and movie like.

The only thing that gives me hope that this isn't the case is that Joss says it takes up 6 months after Objects in Space. So it might be just a recap of what happened but how do you reintroduce Simon and River and their problems?

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 7:38 PM

SNEAKER98


No no, fox sold the rights to Universal a long time ago. Don't you fret, they'll get wash and book ;)

And to be honest, they might just do a "Train Job". We should all get what I mean heh

"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 7:42 PM

RKLENSETH


FOX would still get money from Universal if it looked a lot like Firefly. That could also be a reason for naming the movie Serenity so that FOX doesn't get any royalties for using the titel Firefly.


Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 7:45 PM

SNEAKER98


No, it's not. The rights aren't held by fox anymore, they were sold. this means fox does NOT get royalties. the movie is called serenity (so i heard) because josh wants to seperate it from the tv show, so people feel like they can walk into it without having watched the series.

"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:16 PM

MAKEROFPATHS


Quote:

Originally posted by rklenseth:
T how do you reintroduce Simon and River and their problems?




Simple really. Flashback but from different point of view and different locale. E.g., Simon first seeing his sister after 2-plus years and how emotional that moment would be.
Simon: I'm going to take you away.
River: (Looks needy and happy) Mumph.
Simon: I've got an idea.
Flash to cargo bay of Serenity, Simon checks readouts on fancy fridge. etc.. . .

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:26 PM

NOOCYTE


First, I think: "flashbacks are SOOO hard to do without (at least) a modicum of cheese...

Than I think of "Out Of Gas," and the bad feelings go away like fire in a vacuum.

Whatever reservations people might have about "The Train Job," it did show that Joss and Tim have a penchant for elegantly compressed exposition in a pinch.

Trust in Joss....

Department of Redundancy Department

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Wednesday, March 3, 2004 11:34 PM

INFRA172


River is crazy psychic and they're both fugitives. That's all the audience needs to know about them. No need for flashbacks. Just one scene of them hiding from the police and then River killing them with her mind would suffice.

If I had to bet, I'd say the danger onboard would be Book. It'll turn out that he's a spy or working for the resistance or something. The big plot point I was interrested in was that the Reavers are after River too. That's new.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 1:45 AM

OUTLANDER


It is important to note that The Train Job was written over the space of a single weekend. Joss has had a lot more time to work on the movie script so I would expect that it will be as good as anything he has written for the series. I also believe that what we will see in the movie we would have seen in the series, if it had lasted long enough. The only difference will be the scale of the events. Everything will be BIGGER.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 1:51 AM

CALHOUN


I seem to recall having seen it mentioned that Alan Tudyk was at the moment busy with "I Robot". He prolly cant sign on the dotted line yet because of this commitment. I bet he'll want to be a part of the movie though.

I havent seen anything regarding Ron Glauss on the other hand, so he better have a damn good reason for not having signed on yet!

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 2:07 AM

GROUNDED


I'd be very surprised if Joss compromised anything from the series with the movie. That would be like saying he got it wrong first time round, and we all know that isn't true!

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 3:14 AM

TRASK43


Quote:

Originally posted by Grounded:
I'd be very surprised if Joss compromised anything from the series with the movie. That would be like saying he got it wrong first time round, and we all know that isn't true!



Although we all know Joss got it right first time I think if asked he would have had to comprimise some things as universal had all the power and were his last hope at getting this made. I seem to remember a while back Joss saying that he would be willing to comprimise things like the no sound in space in order to get the film made. Lets just hope any changes made are small ones.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 4:50 AM

KALATHENA


Now see, I don't have any hang-ups about having two versions of the same story. I could care less about continuity, provided that what is presented on film is well written, well produced, well acted. I suppose being able to appreciate various versions of the same story comes from my long years of studying mythology. Hundreds of contradictions; same universal truths lying underneath the surface. "Canonical" is a totally foreign concept to me.

I will be rather surprised after watching commentary eps if Tudyk doesn't sign on. He sounded very sincere about his "Just press this and we'll all come running" comments about the red button he stole from the set.

As for Glass, who knows? He's had a long career; likely longer than anyone else in the original cast has been alive. I will be saddened if he cannot for whatever reason reprise his role, but if that ends up being the case, I do hope Book is recast. That's something I can tell that Joss hates doing. Even the most minor characters from Buffy, such as Mr. Summers, had always been played by the same actors. Much as I would be sad to see someone else play the part, I think it would be more devistating to have no Book at all. We're all dying to find out who he is!

Hmmmmm....maybe *he* is the big danger on Serenity. Somethin' to think about.

--Kala

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 5:18 AM

INSANESPIKE


Everything soudns great, but I for one hope we don't see a differently looking ship, and differnt looking costumes and such, because to me, that just WON'T be Firefly.

As for Wash and Book not being listed, I don't know what to say about Alan Tudyk, I haven't heard much about his position with the movie. But I do remember reading somewhere in someones account of their visit to the Wolfran and Hart Annual Revue(and for the life of me, I can't remember the gorram website), that this person had met Ron Glass at the event, and that he had stated that he WAS going to be working on the Firefly movie when production began.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 5:18 AM

FORRESTWOLF


So wait - are we talking about BOOK or WASH being the secret enemy?

"Oh dear God, no, the inevitable betrayal..."

(or something like that - LOL!)

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 5:25 AM

ROCKETJOCK


Simple observation: It's been less than 48 hours since the good news came down; it's not surprising that every detail of casting and contracting hasn't been ironed out yet. No need to panic.*

As for Simon and River being "new passengers", It's entirely possible the screenplay will include a flashback to their arrival/backstory to fill in new audience members. And I trust Joss to get the flashback right, so that long time viewers don't get Deja Vu.

"We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty!"

*Footquote: "Panic, repeat, panic. There is no time to keep your heads. RUN FOR YOUR DAMNED LIVES!" -- Don Rosa



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Thursday, March 4, 2004 5:25 AM

MAKEROFPATHS


Quote:

Originally posted by kalathena:
Now see, I don't have any hang-ups about having two versions of the same story. I could care less about continuity, provided that what is presented on film is well written, well produced, well acted.



Thumbs up from me on that. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that really, we fans of the TV series should be the least of Joss's worries. I know he may demur, but he's got to focus on the non-believers, so to speak and tell *them* a story. I'll gladly follow along.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 5:32 AM

PALADIN


I can defintiely see Book as the true threat on Serenity. As a psychic who knows what everyoe's thinking, River goes after him but nobody believes her (not even Simon).

But I just like Book's character too darned much to see him turn on the crew like that. Maybe the threat will be whoever the big-named star is. Or Mal turns out to be evil (kidding, don't hurt me).

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:01 AM

RANGER


I'm pretty happy with the news so far. To be honest I found the formal confirmation almost anti-climatic. I figured this was a go when word of contracts being written started. No one puts things in writing with legal obligations unless they are serious about the project.

As to the plot synopsis, it really is nothing more than a synopsis of the premis of the entire series. Wording it this way makes it fresh for the uninitiated.

Also if you read into it, you can see how clever they are about leaving future options open. If the story happens 6 months after the last episode, then there is room to finish the first season off as a springboard for a second season (much cheapter to just film another dozen episodes then show the entire first season over). That dramaticly cuts the cost of restarting the series and makes it much more attractive as an option.

I also am not sure the "real enemy" is any individual in particular (though, with Joss it very well could be), but rather the secrets the individual crew members are keeping from each other which could tear them appart as a group just when they need to work together the most.

We don't know what Mal or Zoe were doing for the 5 years before Mal baught Serenity, or how Mal got enough money together to afford a ship.

We don't know what kind of trouble Jayne got himself into before he joined the crew.

We don't know what Wash was doing before he joined the crew.

We don't know Inara's secret.

We don't know Book's past.

Lots of interesting storytelling possibilities there.

Just my thoughts

Traveller, if you go to Sparta, tell them you have seen us lying here as the Law commands.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:13 AM

LORDJ


About Book and Wash--I'm optimistic and picky...the official release (as opposed to stories written from it) says "original characters such as" i.e. for example, which suggests to me that they don't intend the release list to be read as a complete list. Since there are at least two other reports noting that the entire cast will return I think that's what we'll get. Esp. since I still tear up whenever I remember Glass on the DVD extra, saying that he's "really looking forward to the time when I can remember doing the show and not cry."

I think Ranger is right on with the 6mos thing, since in my opinion one of the biggest and most immediate hanging plot developments was Inara planning to leave the ship; the 6 mos. thing allows them to have her back and not explain if she left/when/why she came back etc., which can be spelled out when the show comes back on TV.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:24 AM

SHINY


Quote:

Originally posted by makerofpaths:
Quote:

Originally posted by kalathena:
Now see, I don't have any hang-ups about having two versions of the same story. I could care less about continuity, provided that what is presented on film is well written, well produced, well acted.



Thumbs up from me on that. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that really, we fans of the TV series should be the least of Joss's worries. I know he may demur, but he's got to focus on the non-believers, so to speak and tell *them* a story. I'll gladly follow along.



Totally agree. If it gets our beloved show back on TV, I would even see the movie if it turned out to be written/cast based on that nightmare 'hollywoodized Firefly' thread a while back...*shivers*

RIVER
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Good. Thanks for the update.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:36 AM

KALATHENA


Quote:

As a psychic who knows what everyoe's thinking, River goes after him but nobody believes her (not even Simon).


No, no, no, if Joss was gonna do that, he'd name her Cassandra just like everyone else does (Including Joss!). Sorry, that story is OLDER THAN DIRT and I hope he doesn't use it.

--Kala

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 8:22 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


I have no doubt that Alan and Ron will sign on before much longer, have no fear.

As for continuity between the original series, the movie and any subsequent series, I would like to see some continuity, but honestly, I am happy w/ whatever Joss and cast give us. Sure it would be nice to see the movie flow right from the original series, and then spinoff into a new TV series, but if it is not exactly the same as the series I can deal. Just so long as it is not too much.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."


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Thursday, March 4, 2004 8:46 AM

ATHERTONWING


glad to see i wasnt the only person worried about the lack of a wash or book mention joss had always said he'd only be on board if the whole cast were wheather or not he stands by his word we'll soon see.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 9:17 AM

DUKE


Quote:

Originally posted by infra172:

If I had to bet, I'd say the danger onboard would be Book. It'll turn out that he's a spy or working for the resistance or something.



I would guess that Book is the danger as well. Everyone is assuming that the movie title of Serenity refers to teh ship, I believe it refers to the battle of Serenity for which the ship is names.

My prediction is that Book was a high level officer on the winning side of Serenity. Guilt over the number of deaths on his hands led him to resign his commision and "get religon."

Being a high level officer, even a retired one, would explain Book's expertise with combat and weapons, as well as why his ID card gets him into places captain tight-pants could only dream of.

Given this prediction, I should think that Book is a given to feature prominatly in the movie.

I susepct that it is only a central role in the movie, as well as his status as the biggest "name" actor from the original cast, that is holding up announcement of Ron Glass' participation.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 9:54 AM

WHOODAHN


Quote:


My prediction is that Book was a high level officer on the winning side of Serenity. Guilt over the number of deaths on his hands led him to resign his commision and "get religon."

Given this prediction, I should think that Book is a given to feature prominatly in the movie.



I think most people here already agree with your assessment of Book and his past. I think Books thoughts in OIS "I don't give half a hump if your innocent or not" were not directed at River but it was something he said during an interigation and he probably later found out that he condemned an innocent person.

But I think that if there was some reason Ron Glass couldn't be in the movie, they could write him out pretty easy. There have been several episodes where he played a very minor part or wasn't in the episode at all. If need be, the movie could focus on the Tam's and just give some excuse for Books absence.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 11:26 AM

LODRIL


Yes, that's right. The greatest danger of all is aboard Serenity...

Wash is a killing machine. You can't stop him. Your neighbors can't stop him. You always wondered what Zoe saw in him, well now you'll all find out as they unveil that "Wash" is short for "Washinator".

Shadow puppets of DOOM!

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 11:29 AM

RANGER


It's kind of ironic that the two people who clearly wanted to be part of a new Firefly project are the two names left out. I think that Joss and Universal went ahead with the announcement once they had everything formalized with the rest of the crew figuring everyone would not worry about Ron and Alan not being mentioned (everyone 'knows' they will be on board).

As to the "new" passangers, maybe it is a cunning bit of writing in which during the interviening months since OIS Simon and River found a place to hide out where they thought they were safe. Perhapse the movie will start out with either Simon coming to Mal asking to come back on board because they are now being chased again, or maybe Mal learns that Reavers are about to hit the new colony that Simon and River are hiding on and he decides to rescue them (not knowing that the Alliance is closing in on them as well).

One other note, IIRC, in the comentary for Serenity they make a point of saying that they don't actually destroy the Reaver ship or kill the Reavers. Since Mal said earlier that "if we run, they'll have to chase us. That's their way." Maybe the real danger to the crew is Serenity herself, as the Reavers are determined to destroy her because she did get away.

So many possibilities...

Traveller, if you go to Sparta, tell them you have seen us lying here as the Law commands.

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Thursday, March 4, 2004 12:52 PM

DEFENDER82


I think folks are reading the "threat from within" language too literaly. Simon and River are a threat, not because they do> anything to Serenity and her crew but because they are a magnet for the attention the crew has spent the previous 5 years avoiding. It has become increasingly difficult for the crew to "fly under the radar" with the Alliance's two most wanted aboard.

Of course, Joss is not above turining beloved characters into evil incarnate e.g. Willow, Angel, Fred etc. So I may be completely wrong, but I think those changes have been wrought only after the characters are so completely established in the audience's affection that the conversion and redepmtion of the characters is completely accepted by his audiences. While we, the original Browncoats are there on River and Simon and Book, the rest of the movie going public is not, so I hold by my original statements and argue both sides from a perverse lawyerly habit alone.

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