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V...Alan gets to the point

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Monday, November 9, 2009 11:18 AM

KINROEDARKSTONE



SPOILER!!!
If you haven't watched the V first episode, please do not read on.

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OMG-- It was like the death of Wash all over again...but a bit different. Alan's character gets "spiked" in the chest when he is revealed to be one of the aliens. He and other "Visitors" break up a rebel meeting and he gets into a fight with his FBI partner. She discovers he's a "visitor" and he tries to kill her. She eventually plunges a metal rod-thing into his chest. Can't Alan get a break. No more chest plunging please.






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Mal: Cry Baby cry.
Wash: Make your mother sigh. Engaging the CryBaby.


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Monday, November 9, 2009 11:22 AM

BYTEMITE


But he's so good at acting it out open-eyed!

Ha, no, I do know what you mean. Poor Alan.

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Villain on Dollhouse and here, too. But I hear that a lot of actors like playing the villains, it's more interesting.


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Monday, November 9, 2009 6:01 PM

BORIS


Alan and Morena are on V....cool can't wait till it starts here...which will hopefully be soon. why does Australia always have to get stuff later? oh yeah coz of all the crap reality TV shows that have to finnish their runs on the major commercial networks.

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Monday, November 9, 2009 6:47 PM

DMAANLILEILTT


at least now we have digital channels so they'll put stuff like V and Stargate: Atlantis on at reasonble times on free-to-air

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Monday, November 9, 2009 7:04 PM

CLAUDS


Yeah, I don't even watch anything on tv--- I download it straight from the net, and if I like it I buy it on dvd. Aussie tv is just generally bad...

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Monday, November 9, 2009 11:34 PM

BIGRICHARD


it's an absolute miracle that Castle is on TV here.
Stargate Universe is on SciFi here, often just after it's on in the US apparently, though I don't watch it on SciFi, so I can't be sure.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:03 PM

PROPMASTER2000



Did anyone watch the previews of the NEXT V episode?
There may be a suprise......about Alans character.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:58 PM

BORIS


us aussies are so damn deprived...probably why so many of us related to Firefly

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:43 PM

ANONYMOUS1


Quote:

Originally posted by propmaster2000:

Did anyone watch the previews of the NEXT V episode?
There may be a suprise......about Alans character.



I saw it! I yelled Whoo-hoo!

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:51 AM

PROPMASTER2000



A very interesting ending to last nights V episode ;)

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:54 AM

PARTICIPANT


Quote:

Originally posted by propmaster2000:

A very interesting ending to last nights V episode ;)




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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:14 PM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?


I actually missed the last segment after last commercial...lost interest.. I'm sure I'll appreciate the epi within the context of an evening playing the entire DVD collection when/if they release it next year...minus commercials..but on it's own for the 1 hour stint...eh...
I like the casting..and I understand the budget constraints...just not impressed with the content to time ratio of the first two installments...I'll probably forget to watch it next week and make a point to grab the DVD set later.

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Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:48 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


You won't have to wait it out that long, I'm sure there are lots of kids who upload scifi clips to youtube, liveleak etc

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Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:26 AM

CENTURY22


I hope he lives. He added some light hearted humor to the show..... well before he attacked his partner anyway.



Ours is an evil laugh.

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Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:04 PM

WILLIAMJAMESW


I wonder if we'll see his character playing with toy plastic mammals.


I could stand to hear a little more.

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Friday, November 13, 2009 1:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Comic Con


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Friday, November 13, 2009 10:04 AM

RALLEM


My guess would be even though he is dead they'll show things he did before he died to increase the drama. I don't know really and am just guessing.



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Friday, November 13, 2009 11:10 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


2. There Is No Normal Anymore
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One of the elements of V that I find myself really enjoying as we go into the second episode is the paranoia. Really, one of the things the show has done incredibly well with the sleeper alien cell angle is establish that pretty much anyone can, and just might be, a Visitor. I mean, in the first episode we had two surprising reveals of various Visitors, so it's obvious that V is living by the old Joe Bob Briggs Drive-In Rules, except replace "Anybody can die at any moment" with "Anybody can be a secret lizard".

As I watch the show, I find myself studying each character that pops up intently, attempting to determine just what their true motivations are. I'm getting paranoid, staring intently at my television as if I can somehow read who is a V and who isn't based on their expression or their body language. Yes, I know it's a TV show and that they're all (probably) human actors, but the show is doing a great job at pulling the viewer into the mindset of FBI agent Erica and Father Jack.

As the two definite humans in the cast, they have no one they can really turn to but one another, and Erica is working overtime to remind Jack of this fact. Jack, whom I have nicknamed Father Voice of Reason in my copious show notes, isn't quite getting the whole ‘Anyone can be a V agent' thing, and keeps stumbling, thanks to his more trusting nature. While he's definitely more representative of how a normal person would respond to the V introduction (thanks to being confused and blindly trusting the authorities to do the right thing), Erica is definitely more along my mindset and, for that reason, she's more of the focus of the show as I think the average viewer is going to be reading the show and its characters as closely as I am in an attempt to pick out the V's before the reVeal. (I already have a couple of them I suspect strongly, though I won't reveal them yet.)

Part of the fun of this kind of show is that mystery. I like that we're basically playing Spot The V, The Home Game.

This episode, in particular, does a good job at using the extras to provide that extra layer of paranoia. It's shot well in general, actually; there's a dueling interrogation scene in which Erica meets with the Visitor Threat Assessment Joint Taskforce while Father Jack gets interrogated by a different agent from the VTAJT at the church regarding the stabbing from the first episode. It's really well cut together. V is really well made by television standards, thanks in no small part to the special effects budget.

However, while some people, like Erica's son Tyler, have completely embraced the Visitors, this episode papers over a problem a lot of people had with the plot by emphasizing that not everyone is all keen about our new alien overlords. Indeed, outside of the V ship zone in Manhattan is a loud, angry group of protesters that Tyler scuffles with. It's not the best idea for a Peace Ambassador to get in public fist fights, and that gets Tyler banned from Lisa and the V compound.

It also sets in motion what is obviously going to be a Romeo And Juliet plotline with Tyler and Lisa. After all, Erica is insistent that her son not have any contact with the Visitors, since she knows what they're up to. Lisa is also banned from visiting Tyler by the dueling forces of the US government's careful relationship with the Visitors and Tyler's banning from the V ship as a result of his fisticuffs.

That makes it all seem like a big set-up to ingratiate Lisa with Tyler, due to the forbidden interspecies love affair. Given that anyone can be a V and that they've already infiltrated one anti-Visitor resistance group, it makes me wonder if this wasn't all set up by the Visitors from the beginning, but for what purpose?

They've proven themselves to be master manipulators of the humans' emotions (Anna's soft voice, symmetrical features, non-threatening haircut, and the omnipresent halo of white light behind her every public speaking appearance is proof of that), and when they can't get the reach they need, their human collaborators (like self-serving Chad Decker) are more than willing to help them out for short-term gains.

The interplay in this episode between Decker and Anna is spectacular. It's fun to see both sides playing against one another for power and control in the relationship. Normally, I'm not a Scott Wolf fan, but he's really good as a sleazy news opinionist.

Love is going to be a big player in this show, since the relationship between V Ryan and (apparently) human Valerie also gets a lot of attention. Being a member of the pro-human V resistance, as Ryan seems to be, is dangerous. They're everywhere, and can access any information. No wonder Eric is so pants-soilingly paranoid.

That makes me wonder, why would there be more than one Visitor working with the resistance? Or any V willing to turn against his own people, obviously risking everything, to aid the humans? Just exactly how bad are the plans the V's have for us?

It's telling that the show has me second-guessing pretty much all the interactions between every character save the definite aliens like Dale (who isn't off the show yet, Alan Tudyk fans!) and the definite humans like Erica, Father Jack, and Tyler.

Even in situations where a character's motivation is obvious, I'm still studying all the angles trying to tell just what is going on and who is leading whom. I'm hooked.
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Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:16 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


The shell of Alan's appearance was a clone. Clones can come in multiple.

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Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:16 PM

WASHNWEAR


Quote:

Originally posted by Oldguy:
I actually missed the last segment after last commercial...lost interest.. I'm sure I'll appreciate the epi within the context of an evening playing the entire DVD collection when/if they release it next year...minus commercials..but on it's own for the 1 hour stint...eh...
I like the casting..and I understand the budget constraints...just not impressed with the content to time ratio of the first two installments...I'll probably forget to watch it next week and make a point to grab the DVD set later.



I'm largely with you, OldGuy (at least up to the DVD-buying part)...though this is apparently a minority view. But hey, I'm glad the peeps who are likin' it are likin' it.

In general, I just feel like they could be doing better with the talent involved and the subject matter. I think Scott Wolfe in particular is good, but he just can't seem to find a winner. Of course, regardless of what I think, V may be one.



donttalkbackjustdrivethecarshutyourmouthiknowwhatyouaredontsaynothinkeepyourhandsonthewheeldontturnaroundthisisforreal

WWMWD? (What would Michael Westen do?)

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:22 PM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?


ok..just watched this evening's epi of V..and they made my point exactly...Alan gets brought back to life (it's "technical")...and of course..he's got some memory issues...etc

this is the perfect opening for a next Serenity/firefly move.

Aliance blue glove guys got Alan..and we weren't told about it at the end of the last movie...they patch him up..clone the damage..or clone him..who knows for sure..but in the process...he's lost a bit of his memory...and maybe?.they've done a bit of reprogramming as well..so who knows what Wash could be up to....Alan could have fun with that role and it would add an edge and anticipation to any of the story lines anytime they needed something of a surprise.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:20 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Oldguy:
ok..just watched this evening's epi of V..and they made my point exactly...Alan gets brought back to life (it's "technical")...and of course..he's got some memory issues...etc

this is the perfect opening for a next Serenity/firefly move.

Aliance blue glove guys got Alan..and we weren't told about it at the end of the last movie...they patch him up..clone the damage..or clone him..who knows for sure..but in the process...he's lost a bit of his memory...and maybe?.they've done a bit of reprogramming as well..so who knows what Wash could be up to....Alan could have fun with that role and it would add an edge and anticipation to any of the story lines anytime they needed something of a surprise.



Hey Joss, your not that old


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Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:21 PM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?




Hey Joss, your not that old




ok..so. I'm showing my age here..the theme has been played to death in 50 other sci fi shows right?

still better than Serenity crew finding Wash's redisent memory transfer stored inside of the firefly computer memory..softly speaking to them with occasional holographic images popping up on the console and view screens throughout the ship...or some mind meld with River that allows her to relay Wash thoughts to the crew ...I mean...us old school schools know one thing..keep it simple..that leaves more room for fun

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