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FireflySeason2, a bit from the maker, telling what its about.

POSTED BY: BOWIE
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 04:01
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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:27 PM

BOWIE


Hello Firefly fans.
I was not planning on making my formal introduction to the community this early in the project, but alas, the speed of the Net and the vigor of the Browncoats has taken me quite by surprise.
My name is Ace Underhill and I have worked in the entertainment industry for over 10 years. Specifically, with Brilliant Screen and Cine Support International. Of course I've seen "Lord of the Rings" AND "Fletch", and yes, I still get ribbed about my name when I hand over my credit card
at restaurants. Those of you burdened with an overabundance of schoolin' can easily verify this is not a pseudonym.

My name is real and so is my email address, and I abhor ungrounded accusations. Since the start of this project I have been in contact with various members of this community, through email, phone,
and in person. For the most part Browncoats are incredible people, HOWEVER, I am greatly disappointed that my professional email was posted publicly on the Net. Not only have I now been exposed to spam trolls, but the email box that I depend on for important business communications has been tainted and inundated with fanmail.

IMPORTANT: I'm asking those that posted my email and/or personal phone to please edit your posts ASAP. (thanks to those that did already)
There is a valid email address on the FFS2 website that is to be used for this project. Business phone numbers are freely available on the web anyway, I just ask the Browncoats to please not use them at this time as we need the lines clear for our other projects and clients.

I have a few more items to clarify before I move onto the project status. First, we are NOT Universal, or Fox. Some people saw the webmaster address and assumed that we were. Most people don't know this, but production companies routinely rent production space on the big studio lots. And when you're there, you share an address. Second, the FFS2 site is hosted on a shared server, which means other sites, not connected to ours, live in the same place. I was told that a particularly sleuthy person did a reverse IP lookup to find our ICANN registry. (Here's a case of just enough information to be harmful.) What this person didn't know, or failed to mention, is that our ISP owns the IP block, not us, and they reuse them from client to client. Most
of the time the client (us) does not update the ICANN registry, thus it displays outdated information from a previous user of that IP. (If none of the above made sense, don't fret, it's for techies and took me a spell to sort it out too.)

On to the shiny stuff...
In the last 4 hours I've been asked about 759 times; "so what the heck are you trying to do?". Well, our mission is straightforward, but difficult:
We intend to license the Firefly Intellectual Property from Fox, produce the show on our dime, and sell to the highest bidder.

[sarcastically] "Whew, the numinous secret that men sought to vilify and digitally mame for is finally out!"

I may as well answer a few other questions before they arise and perhaps reduce the size of my inbox tomorrow...

Q: Is this some sort of scam, I mean, you're sure asking for alot of sensitive personal information on your survey.
A: No. In fact, none of the fields, not even your email address, is required to submit. In that regards, if some kind of scam could be had by learning how many Hi-Def TVs are in your zip code, I'd love to know. Joking aside, this information is important in defining the direction of FFS2. But submit at your own risk and peril! If the information about you going to see "Serenity" got into the wrong hands... oh the humanity!

Q: Why are you asking for money?
A: We're not, you're confused. The cost of this project comes from our own bankroll, not the fans. There was a site, BrowncoatsRiseAgain.com that was accepting donations for a short period of time, but refunded everyone's money. I met with the organizers of that site a few days ago. Andrew and Ty are both standup guys, and great fans. I was so impressed by their operation and fervor that I will be bringing them onboard with FFS2. Another great fan that I've been in contact with is Jeremy from DoneTheImpossible.com and I've been keeping him close to this project as well. I never asked him to be a "cheerleader" but I appreciate his efforts at trying to maintain a semblance of calm and order here until I could reply.

Q: Will Joss be involved?
A: The 'Verse without it's creator? Please, let's not be absurd. But Joss is very busy at the moment. We are taking care of all the mundane tasks and legwork that is required to untangle the legal issues to save Joss from any undue headaches. After all, it's really tough to be creative when you're surrounded by expensive lawyers.

Q: Will anyone from Season 1 or "Serenity" be involved?
A: We are in contact with many of the original cast and crew, but that's all that I'm allowed to say at this time. Official notices will be posted on the site as they are cleared.

Q: Will the timeline of Season 2 take place before or after the events in "Serenity"?
A: That's for Joss and the creative folk to decide, I'm just the guy with the checkbook.

Q: Why do people flame you and your cause when it's obvious you're just trying to give them something they want?
A: That's a tough psychological question that I'm not qualified to answer. Perhaps they really care about their dream and too many people have "cried-wolf" in the past.


I'm done for tonight. It's impossible to please everybody... But I'll keep flying, and that's enough. Those with the same dream are welcome aboard.

Well, here I am,

Ace Underhill

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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:32 PM

RIVER6213


Joss won't get back to doing Firefly until he's finished screwing up the making of Wonder Woman. Once that's done, he'll RUN back to Firefly.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:35 PM

DAX82


Thanks for laying it out for us. I gave my info a couple a days ago.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:46 PM

RKLENSETH


Well, all of that made sense but out of curiousity, what are you going for? Are you going for a direct to video release or an actual TV broadcast or whoever pays the most in the end?

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:55 PM

GLOBLABSURDITY


I'm gonna keep this short and sweet--
Thank you from the bottom of my heart & bless you!
Cheers! I have hope.

*Never judge a book by it's movie*
*The heart is an artist that paints over what profoundly disturbs it, leaving on the canvas a less dark,less sharp version of the truth*--D.Koontz (Forever Odd)

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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:55 PM

MISTERDRGN


Just so you know, that wasn't an actual posting from the maker. That was a copy of the post made here:

http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1580

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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:57 PM

NDRAGE85


Quote:

Originally posted by rklenseth:
Well, all of that made sense but out of curiousity, what are you going for? Are you going for a direct to video release or an actual TV broadcast or whoever pays the most in the end?

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.



that might be up to the "highest bidder" as he put it.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 3:59 PM

SAMEERTIA


Thank you, Underhill!

You have to pardon our skepticism. We've seen so many scams, and half-hatched plans that never come to fruition that we watch our backs.

You have my interest, now.
I wish you'd come forward to Haken, Gossi and other very well-known members of the fan community first, We tend to trust who we know.

When you say "to the highest bidder" does that include possibility of televised syndication? Or are we strictly discussing webcast and dvd sales?

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:02 PM

GRIMJACK21502


Let's not question everything...especially someone that is not asking for money.

This is a way for the powers-that-be to know how many of us are ready for a second season.

I'm in.

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:10 PM

FORGOTN


I am basically just restating what i said on the other post about this topic but.



THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU

This looks like a doable version of our dream and if it comes to fruition then yes I will buy each and every episode these guys put out.

Assuming that Joss is on board with the whole thing.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:12 PM

SUBTORPMAN


Thank you for doing this you will not regret this and will be rewarded for your efforts.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:13 PM

HIXIE129


Agreed, Thank you, Underhill!

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:25 PM

KLOUD


So they are renewing season 2? Will it be the same characters?

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:43 PM

AERIN


Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus!

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Monday, January 23, 2006 4:54 PM

RKLENSETH


For those still in doubt I did a background check on the name 'Ace Underhill' and there is indeed a person that goes by that name that works in the industry. I'm not going to say who he works for and whom he has worked for in the past as he might feel that is information he wants to be kept private.

But this doesn't seem like a scam as in his posts he knows what he is talking about and his background checks out as far as to what he is claiming he can do.

The only think that can be said negatively about this whole thing is that it came out way to prematurely before any deals have been made or even Whedon being consulted but I pretty sure if it has been tossed around the fansites the past few days then Whedon knows about it.

Plus, I know Chris Buchanan frequents the boards and posts regularly on the OB and would have posted something by now if the fans were being taken for a scam. At least I would hope.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 5:34 PM

THEONETRUEBIX


Once again, everyone get up to speed and then make your own decisions.

http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1568

http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1580

http://whedonesque.com/comments/9347

Keep in mind, that the plan is as follows: To secure the rights, film two episodes, and then shop them around to networks in hopes of getting picked up, with FOX having the right of first refusal.

Keep in mind, that we already have more than a dozen episodes and a major motion picture, of which any and every network and studio is already aware.

So, the question becomes: Why, exactly, do we need another pilot?

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Monday, January 23, 2006 6:13 PM

KANESKI


Another pilot is pretty much necessary - Season 1 ended abruptly, with not much getting resolved to smoothly continue a series. The BDM resolved too much - the 2nd pilot would have to introduce some new elements and/or bad guys (to replace reavers). Oh, and how can we forget crew alteration (well... elimination, but yeah...).

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Monday, January 23, 2006 6:28 PM

BROWNCOATSRISEAGAIN


Ace is chatting right now on

http://www.stardotdesign.com/

Go over there if interested.

Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com

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Monday, January 23, 2006 6:42 PM

CAUSAL


Quote:

Originally posted by RiveR6213:
Joss won't get back to doing Firefly until he's finished screwing up the making of Wonder Woman. Once that's done, he'll RUN back to Firefly.



Cynical much?

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Monday, January 23, 2006 7:04 PM

OCELOT


Good luck then.


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Monday, January 23, 2006 7:05 PM

MEANGOLDFISH


i'm already signed up and ready to go. i'd pay way more than 4 bucks an episode.

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Monday, January 23, 2006 7:17 PM

BROWNCOATSRISEAGAIN


The chat is over. He tried to answer questions, but there was a lot of other conversations going on.

A moderated chat will be scheduled at a later date.

Andrew

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Monday, January 23, 2006 7:25 PM

GOODNIGHTKISS


Thank you for this new information. Regardless of what happens from here on out, it is encouraging that people are taking notice of the Browncoats, and of the amazing furvor and excitement spread throughout our boards and websites. Yay!

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Monday, January 23, 2006 7:34 PM

GUTSC1


Mmmm… Much as I’d love to see the verse return sooner rather than later, I’d consider myself very much a skeptic at this point. I do know just how easy it is to be considered a production company in LA. There is a very large span between being an outright scam ..... And truly having the where-with-all to bring a project to fruition. I encourage everyone to at the very least, to view this with a very cautious optimism.

Here are my biggest concerns with anyone other than a major player attempting to put this deal together; under capitalization and lack of sufficient resources. Ventures that pursue a project, and are not able to bring all the pieces together will basically muddy the waters for others that can really make the deal happen. I’ve seen it happen way too many times.

My other concern it that trying to put the deal together without having the principals fully onboard prior to attempting to secure intellectual property rights is… well, very frankly “putting the cart before the horse”.

I figure that there is a very significant window of opportunity here with Firefly that will last for about the next six months. At which point the deal may still be doable, but will be harder. It’s all a momentum issue.

Ace, all I’ve gotta say is whatever you do, please don’t screw this up so that if it fails, you’ve basically made attempts by any other groups that follow you twice as difficult to do!

Beware all, just be very cautious!! I think ANY plan that is not sufficiently capitalized to commit to at least another say 13 episodes needs to just sit it out for now and stay out of the way of other suitors.

Guys we will get only one shot at resurrecting our beloved Firefly as a series. Lets make sure that that shot gets taken with “Vera” and not a Derringer.

Ok, I’ve spoken my piece and sure hope it’s at some level heeded.


Fully Loaded, Safety Off… this here is a recipe for unpleasantness!!

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Monday, January 23, 2006 8:30 PM

THEONETRUEBIX


Quote:

Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
The chat is over. He tried to answer questions, but there was a lot of other conversations going on.



Which is what happens when someone signs up for a board one day and then less than 24 hours later up and announces he's going to go use its pre-exisitng chat room, which has a pre-existing culture, and which is already populated by people 24/7, for his own little personal press conference.

Someone really needs to make a tally sheet of all the missteps Underhill has made in the last week. They, more than anything else, should be making people skeptically wary.

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:41 AM

CBY


Quote:

Originally posted by theonetruebix:
Someone really needs to make a tally sheet of all the missteps Underhill has made in the last week. They, more than anything else, should be making people skeptically wary.



My personal favourite: Posting the initial informations himself under a fake account (!) and claiming later that he was surprised of it being posted in the first place.

This whole things is ridiculous, to put it mildly. If this is an atempt at viral marketing, it's the worst I've seen.

EDIT: That pretty much says all: http://www.serenitymovie.org/browncoats/forums/viewtopic.php?p=52688#5
2688

(quote: The support he's getting from some of our community makes us all look foolish, and it's going to make people jaded if the real thing ever comes along.)

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Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:01 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


A lot of fans want to be Firefly's Champion when there's only one person who can do it, should do it, Joss Whedon. He'll know when it's the right time. Until then, do what fans can do better than even the best Hollywood production company: buy the dvds and share them with everyone you can.

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