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Nephilim who or what are they

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Monday, January 16, 2006 12:56 PM

WINDWALKER


Today they are referred to as "Grays"
In old biblical times they were referred to as "Fallen angels" who had relationships with human women and created the supernatural and superhuman gods of old and other oddities.
Names like Zeus, Odin, Hercules were these creatures of old and now we are just beginning to find evidence that was once covered up.
Goliath did exist. he was a descendent of these through hereditary genes passing.
Genesis chapter 6 is an account of these
but other folklore testify of these creatures.
What we considered fable or myth did in deed actaully exist.
Humanoids up to 36 feet tall have been recorded.
Thigh bones almost as large as men have been found
Check out these sites and comment. They are not faked.



http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/pics/thigh-egypt.htm

http://www.kent-hovind.com/articles/them_bones.htm

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/index2.html

The "Nephilim" are not the giants. The giants and other oddities were offspring of the Nephilim.

The genetic strain is still here.
I am using old testament resource but if you look at it in a non religious and historical manner and just judge it as an historic account. It may make sense

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

Stretch your mind back to childhood. What giants do you remember? Jack and the Beanstalk? Hercules? Paul Bunyan? Goliath? What were you told and what did you read? With the exception of Goliath and an occasional ornery cyclops, legends emphasized their innate goodness, eye-popping feats accomplished with unparalleled strength, victories over the bad guys and all performed by "gentle giants". What if it were all a lie? What if the truth were something much MUCH more sinister



I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.


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Monday, January 16, 2006 1:03 PM

SAMEERTIA


Who refers to Nephilim as Grays?
They are Lemurians. Everyone knows this.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 1:22 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC


Well in my high school project on witchcraft I said they were the children of the Grigori, but apparently I missed something.

I was leaning on Apocrypha anyway.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 1:31 PM

WINDWALKER


I refer to the book of "Enoch" which was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls

He refers to the "Fallen Ones" breeding with all flesh
Two hundred fallen ones choose animals on which to perform unnatural acts, including, presumably, humans.
Animals and humans.

Thus Centaurs, harpies, the lot

The giants begin to be troubled by a series of dreams and visions. Mahway, the titan son of the angel Barakel, reports the first of these dreams to his fellow giants. He sees a tablet being immersed in water. When it emerges, all but three names have been washed away. The dream evidently symbolizes the destruction of all but Noah and his sons by the Flood.



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Monday, January 16, 2006 1:55 PM

NIRVANA


I gotta ask - do you take everything written in the bible literally? And if not, who makes the decision about what is metaphor and allegory and what is fact? And how do they decide?

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Monday, January 16, 2006 2:00 PM

SAMEERTIA


Yes, but in the first line of your exposition you say
"Today they are known as Greys", which is a mistatement. Nephalim, the Fallen Angels, are not known as Greys. The Greys are small, wide eyed Aliens from Outer Space who kidnap us and use probes to explore various bodily orifices.

Nephalim, if anything, are what we refer to as Fallen Angels, or simply Angels, closer in legendary kin to Lemurians or traditional Celtic Elves.
I have never heard Greys refered to as Nephalim nor vice versa.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 2:00 PM

QUEENOFTHENORTH


Interesting. I think Madeleine l'engle uses the term "nephilim" in her book "Many Waters" which is a fascinating take on Noah's Arc. It's been a while since I read it, but I believe there were beings called "seraphim" and ones called "nephilim". Both were powerful supernatural beings, but the "seraphim" were ones who didn't directly interfere in human affairs at all, while the "nephilim" did and even went so far as to mate with the humans.

Anyways, I don't know much about that kind of stuff, but if you've never read Many Waters I suggest you do so. It's a really good read.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 4:48 PM

WINDWALKER


It's all revolving around the UFO phenomena
The Nephilim will return as Greys to fool us again.

http://www.alienresistance.org/christianufo.htm

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 5:20 PM

CYBERSNARK


I've always used "nephilim" to mean a human/faerie (or angel, or demon, etc) hybrid. Much like the Japanese term "Hanyou" (like InuYasha )

An orc/troll/ogre (depending on who you talk to) is a human/dragon hybrid, and an elf is dragon/faerie (mortal, but comprised of more energy than flesh).

Dwarves and giants are sub-breeds of humans. Nothing magical about 'em.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 8:25 PM

WINDWALKER


I go by what has been proven historically.
Many events in the bible is historically correct.
Jewish record keeping was more regulatory than the Catholic Jesuit record keepers.
The teachings are a different case, more for personal edification.
There are accounts of a Flood in many ancient records of many cultures.

If you put all the accounts together they do link.
The overall picture helps to sum things up.


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Monday, January 16, 2006 8:33 PM

WINDWALKER


The most popular belief today is that UFOs are spaceships piloted by aliens from outer space.

But another good theory which never gets as much press is that which says UFOs may, in fact, be right here from earth.

Instead of being Extraterrestrials, UFO aliens might be Ultraterrestrials -- a species that has always been here, which evolved on earth along with homo sapiens, but which represents a species far superior.

These Ultraterrestrials are so superior to us it's almost impossible for us to comprehend their existence. All we know of them are fleeting glimpses of lights in the sky, occasional bizarre encounters between human beings and so-called aliens, and other unexplained phenomenon.

Think of how a group of monkeys in the wild perceive human beings. Because their own level of consciousness is so limited, they cannot comprehend that we humans are beyond being just another kind of animal. They may see a jet or a helicopter or a car, but to the monkeys, nothing in their consciousness can explain these amazing things.

A monkey may think of an airplane as some kind of magical giant bird. They relate to it with the level of understanding they have about their environment. The speculation of the monkey, at best, is a crude idea about the total truth of an airplane, and the fact it represents entire levels of consciousness that are so advanced, they are literally invisible to monkey mind.

Now think of a human being who encounters a UFO. To us a UFO seems to be some kind of flying, mechanical aircraft -- but the true nature of the UFO may be as different from a spacecraft as a bird is from an airplane. Like the monkey, we just don't have the advanced levels of consciousness we need to comprehend the true nature of a UFO.

As humans, we make the naturally egotistical assumption that we are the species at the top of the heap -- we see ourselves as the peak of achievement of evolution. We even make the bold claim that God, the supreme architect of the entire universe, created us in his own image!

But it's not a big leap to consider that we are just another link in a vast chain of species, many which are below us, and some which may be above us.

People who support the Ultraterrestrial theory point out that supernatural beings seemingly superior to humans have been reported throughout history. In previous eras they were called gods, angels, ogres, fairies, brownies, little people, demons, and more.

The Bible is filled with references to supernatural creatures, including giants, "wheels" flying in the sky out of which incredible creatures emerge, and more.

But references to flying disks were recorded centuries before the texts of the Bible. Cave drawings dating to 30,000 B.C. depict numerous drawings of disks floating around in the sky, remarkably similar to modern UFO photographs.

Some maverick UFO investigators have pointed out the amazing similarities of modern UFO aliens to that of elves, fairies and the various "little people" famous in the folklore of many cultures.

Fairies are well known for kidnapping people, the same irritating habit UFO aliens have. People who are abducted report incidents of missing time, a phenomenon very similar to time lapses reported by people taken to and returned from "fairyland".

Fairies, like modern aliens, tend to be diminutive creatures with large magical eyes. Many reports of alien abduction even include "power rods" used to paralyze abductees, just as fairies wield "magic wands".

One of the most interesting comparisons between aliens and fairies is that both are interested in stealing babies. One of the most common fairy activities is swiping babies from cribs, and sometimes replacing them with a false double, or "changeling" as they are sometimes called.

A large part of modern UFO literature involves aliens abducting women, impregnating them, and later abducting them again, only to remove and take the unborn baby right out of the womb.

Clearly, both UFO occupants and fairies have a strong affinity for the baby stealing business.

Fairies are closely associated with nature, just as modern aliens also display a certain obsession with environmental issues. One of the most common alien abduction scenarios involves aliens who force people to watch "movies" depicting massive environmental degradation caused by modern human civilization. The aliens then give them a lecture on environmental issues and let them go.

If aliens truly are a superior species from earth and evolved on earth, it would make sense that they would be concerned about another species wrecking the planet.

But then you might ask, why don't the Ultraterrestrials simply step in and "manage" us the same way humans "manage" wildlife, including chimps and other large primates? The Ultraterrestrial theorists answer: "They are!". That's what all the abduction and experiments are about!

Just as human beings capture and tag various species, UFO abductees report experiences of extreme similarity. Many people report being "tagged" during frightening sessions on a UFO operating table. Some of these "tags" have even been recovered, or show up on MRI exams, and remain unexplained.

It's also possible that Ultraterrestrials comprehend and operate within higher levels of dimension than we experience at the human level. A monkey could never understand that time and space are actually two parts of the same dimension, as scientists have discovered.

Mathematicians tell us that many additional dimensions of reality exist — dimensions which only the most brilliant math minds can glimpse through numbers, although they cannot experience them psychologically in any meaningful way.

If Ultraterrestrials can exist "above" or "beyond" spacetime, that means they can easily see us, trick us and manipulate our existence, while we can't see them at all, or only in the most crude manner, or perhaps only when they allow us to see them.

Imagine when a bear is shot with a drugged dart from a helicopter hovering above him. Imagine how terrified the bear is of the bizarre flying monster and the noise and lights that come out of it. Now imagine that the bear thinks of the strange beings that come out of the flying monster. The strange beings poke and prod him, look inside his mouth, apply a tag to his ear, and then let him go. Why?

How can a bear understand or interpret the meaning of this incident on its level of consciousness? It can't. It just seem to make any sense. Human beings are so advanced and superior as to incomprehensible.

Is it so difficult to believe that the ongoing bizarre and seemingly incomprehensible phenomenon of UFOs and their activities are the actions of an earth-born species far advanced and superior to human beings?

Just ask a bear or a monkey.



I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:35 AM

KENT


Kent Hovind is a terrible source of information. Most of his arguments for creationism, for instance, are so bad that ( http://www.kent-hovind.com/aig_debunk.htm) Answers in Genesis (one of the biggest creationist resources) has them added in their list over arguments not to use. Not to mention that this so called doctor got his degree at a diploma mill...

This of course, doesn't adress the actual issue, it's just me performing character assassination, but since I have no intent of actually going out to look for further info about this, I figured a bit of background might be in order, so as to explain why I so quickly dismiss this as complete and utter baloney.
Simply put, the source linked to (Hovind) has been spewing so much utter BS and outright lies on other topics relating to religion that I can't be arsed to look at more of it...

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:23 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


I think Goliath probably did exist in some form, but I don’t think he was related to any species of giant. If you put Larry Bird or Michael Jordan in Punic armor and pit them against Joe Pesci (who was about average height back then) then it's not hard to imagine how Giant mythology emerged.

There is archeological evidence of very large homanids (not 36 feet tall), gigantopethicus is one example. Long extinct by the biblical times, but within the timeframe of human species, so it’s not impossible that oral tradition might have carried some memory of giant apes or other forms of giant hominids.

However, any reference to giants contemporary with Biblical times are probably mythical or just tall people or people with abnormal pituitary function. The same thing exists today.




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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:50 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Should this really be in "General Discussion" which is meant for Firefly or movie threads? Shouldn't it be in Talk Story or Real World discussion?

Just saying.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:21 AM

WINDWALKER


Many antagonists who oppose certain issues use "character assassination" as a tool.
"If you can't destroy the ideal, destroy the idealist"
I've seen politicians do this and many atheistic based individuals.

Even if the ideal is true "character assassination" works to make it all look incredulous

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:24 AM

WINDWALKER


It is what it is
A "general discussion"
Why quibble over location when one is having a conversation.
Excuse me why I go from the kitchen to the toilet so I can talk crap

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:31 AM

WINDWALKER


Those individuals are not persay "giants"
They are tall humans
The giants range from 13 feet to 18 feet and were not "benevolent"
They were mutants that were antagonisitc and savage. Not sports idols of today.
Bird and jordon would be dwarves compaired to Goliath who really did exist. Goliath was a descendent of the son's of Anak who were the first "giants" from the Nephilimic affirs with human women.

Goliath's ancestors, the Anakites and the Rephaites, were people of great height and strength. Sometimes they had other physical mutations, such as six fingers and toes. They were seen as heroes, almost superhuman. Goliath's ancestry is interesting, because The bible tells us that the Anakites were Canaanites, and Joshua and the people of Israel killed them or drove them from the land. But some of them fled to the Philistines and lived there. So Goliath is doubly an enemy of the Lord and the Lord's people. His ancestors should have been wiped out by Israel, and they would have been if Israel had been more obedient to the Lord. So this is why Goliath has such a great hatred for Israel and king Saul - because they are the invaders of his ancestors' land. He hates Israel, and he hates their God, who has judged his people and destroyed them because of their sin. And so he defies both Israel and the Lord. He is a proud, arrogant, cursing man. In verse 43 we read how he cursed David by his gods when David approached him to fight him.

For forty days, Goliath came out and issued his challenge. What was the response of Saul and Israel to this defiance against the Lord and his army? Verse 11 - ' On hearing the Philistine’s words, Saul and all the Israelites were dismayed and terrified….' And in verse 24, 'when the Israelites saw the man, they all ran from him in great fear.'

Goliath and his shield bearer were very brave men - verse 24 says he stepped out from his lines to shout his usual defiance. Now that should actually be translated he went UP from his lines - that is, what he was doing was actually going down into the creekbed and UP the other side to the Israelite front line, and they were all so scared of him they didn't even dare to throw rocks at him as he climbed up to them, they just ran.

They shouldn't have been dismayed though, because God told them not to be, and they shouldn't have run, because Israel in the past had defeated such giants, Goliath's ancestors, when they took the Promised Land.

Furthermore, although Goliath is a cursing man, yet he is also an accursed man.

God said to Israel's ancestor Abraham, when he chose him and promised him the land, "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." (Gen 12:1-3)

…whoever curses you I will curse. God promised them that, but they did not believe it. They allowed Goliath to curse Israel and God for forty days running. But David knew God's promise. That's why he says in verse 26, "what will be done for the man who kills this Philistine and removes this disgrace from Israel? Who is this uncircumcised Philistine that he should defy the armies of the living God?"



I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:45 AM

CYBERSNARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you put Larry Bird or Michael Jordan in Punic armor and pit them against Joe Pesci (who was about average height back then)

I didn't realize Joe Pesci was that old.



(I was gonna make a joke about him being well-preserved, but then I remembered what Joe Pesci actually looks like. . .)

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:50 AM

EMMA


I think some people need to do more Bible study, the Nephilim (the word as transcribed from the Hebrew, which also means miscarriage) mentioned in Genesis 6:4 are common in ancient literature (the different books of the Bible are after all ancient literature). However, to say that they are giants as we understand them in modern fairytales is a matter of interpretation and to believe that they are real because the Bible tells us so ignores all of the other variations in the Bible. For example, how many animals went into Noah's Ark? It depends which verse you read. 6:19-6:20 = two of every kind. But a few verses later (7:2) says "Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and its mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and its mate"

The Bible cannot be understood literally in a consistent and coherent way. You can believe your own version of the Bible to be literal but the person next to you will choose the other version. This isn't to say that there wasn't a flood but it didn't happen exactly how is written in the Bible because that isn't physically possible.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:25 AM

WINDWALKER


Actually it is misinterpreted
It meant not two of every kind but matching pairs
male and female.
Seven matching pairs ...male and female from each species.

Now as far as documentation
I have great great great grandfather but I NEVER NEW HIM AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF HIM, So should I say that because it's been many years and passing and there is no documentation that he never existed?

The same with the bible and other recorded history. Just because these creatures are not with us today doesn't mean they never existed.
We know because we have recorded accouts of them
Even Egyptian and Sumarian records show the giants

http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/images/SumerianGiantKing.jpeg

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/pics/giant.tomb.html


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:42 AM

WINDWALKER


http://www.dragonkeypress.com/articles/article_2004_10_26_0451.html

My guess if scientists were to examine the DNA of these creatures they would find some interesting abnormalities in the DNA code in comparison to a normal human. or not if it was a spiritual mutation (demonic)

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:44 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Quote:

Originally posted by Windwalker:
It is what it is
A "general discussion"
Why quibble over location when one is having a conversation.
Excuse me why I go from the kitchen to the toilet so I can talk crap





What is the purpose of having different areas for discussion if they are to be ignored?

By starting any manner of discussion in this area it bumps other threads relevant to discussion of Firefly & Serenity down the line & perhaps even off the page where they might be missed.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:17 AM

WINDWALKER


GIANTS DID EXIST

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:17 AM

WINDWALKER


Point noted
Why split hairs?
We are communicating
Are you a CPA or an accountant?
MAY BE ONE SHOULD DIRECT THE OTHER WHERE TO DISCUSS THIS
ANYWAY YOU ARE INTERUPTING MY THREAD

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:27 AM

BAPTISMO


Interesting.

Here is a great website. www.s8int.com .

Not saying I believe everything thats on there, but it doers pose some serious questions to a lot of the commonly held beliefs of the aincient world.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:32 AM

BOWIE


I hate to be a prick but,

Why do we care? I don't mean to seem rude or anything, I just actually want to know why people care if there were Giants in the past. It doesn't make life easier or harder now, and even if the gene is allive, it doesn't seem to make people that big. So why do we care?

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:39 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Windwalker:
Those individuals are not persay "giants"
They are tall humans
The giants range from 13 feet to 18 feet and were not "benevolent"
They were mutants that were antagonisitc and savage. Not sports idols of today.
Bird and jordon would be dwarves compaired to Goliath who really did exist. Goliath was a descendent of the son's of Anak who were the first "giants" from the Nephilimic affirs with human women.

I’m not going to argue religion with you. You’re welcome to believe whatever you want in that area, but historically and scientifically, the issue is not as moot.

According to the Dead Sea Scrolls, Goliath is 4 cubits and a span tall, which puts him at about 6.5 feet tall. I don’t know how tall David was, but we can assume that he was smaller, and if he was shorter then the average and not fully grown, he might have been as small as 4 foot. When a 4 foot tall boy throws a rock at a 6.5 foot tall Punic warrior and kills him thereby ending a war, that’s front page news. The story of David and Galiath is perfectly plausible and fits well with historical references.

As for 13 to 18 foot tall giants, I’d don’t think there is any evidence for such a thing. There is rare, but historical, evidence for very tall men, 9-10 foot, but that doesn’t mean they were a race of giants. People suffering from pituitary gigantism can reach heights as tall as 9-10 feet. It’s unusual, but it has occurred, even recently, so it’s not impossible that historical evidence does exist. And it even makes sense that historical evidence would exist, because a man that tall, would have been very revered and/or fear, so one would expect history to make note of it. But that’s not a “race” of giants; that’s just historical references of pituitary gigantism.

Much of the historical evidence for giants comes from people or ethnic groups who are tall. The Germans, for instance, during the post-classical period were, on average, as much as a foot taller then Romans and Greeks. A foot might not seem like much, but when a warband of hairy German beserkers, on average, a foot taller, are charging towards you, that’s likely to make you get religion in a hurry. We see similar things in Biblical times. Germans didn’t exist then, but Cimmerians and Scythians did, and they may have been just as tall. So men who were larger then average did exist then. And there are lots of reasons why history would record large men and call them giants.

But there certainly is no strong evidence for a race of 13 to 18 foot tall men. Even people with pituitary gigantism die long before they get that tall. The human body simply can't support that much height. If there was a race of men that large, I can’t imagine why there wouldn’t be considerable evidence of it.




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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:59 AM

GOINUTSINOR


http://www.khouse.org/pages/special_events/alien_encounters/

Everything you ever wanted to know about the history of nephilium and aliens and how it corresponds to the Bible. Very interesting...

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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:35 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you put Larry Bird or Michael Jordan in Punic armor and pit them against Joe Pesci (who was about average height back then)

I didn't realize Joe Pesci was that old.

Oh, He is. He was there. I saw him.



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Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:46 PM

BADGERSHAT


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I think Goliath probably did exist in some form, but I don’t think he was related to any species of giant. If you put Larry Bird or Michael Jordan in Punic armor and pit them against Joe Pesci (who was about average height back then) then it's not hard to imagine how Giant mythology emerged.



I'm seven feet tall. I have a first cousin who is just about 4'6".

There's your David and Goliath right there (we've gotten a whoooooole lot of mileage out of that, since his name is, funny enough, "David").

Total arbitrary shot of my opinion:
ANY religious tome (Bible, Koran, Torah, etc.) is going to have stories/parables/whatever about the creatiojn of humanity.

Basically, there's not one of them that can be proven (or disproven, for that matter, at least not entirely).

The smart thing to do, in my estimation, is to take the stories as ideas and concepts, with the understanding that we do not and CAN NOT comprehend the Ultimate Truth.

--Jefé The Hat

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:43 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


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Originally posted by Windwalker:
Point noted
Why split hairs?
We are communicating
Are you a CPA or an accountant?
MAY BE ONE SHOULD DIRECT THE OTHER WHERE TO DISCUSS THIS
ANYWAY YOU ARE INTERUPTING MY THREAD




Not splitting hairs, merely trying to help keep the site I call home orderly especially in light of all the new people showing up.

Nope, not a CPA or accountant. Are you?

Not my intention to interrupt anything. Merely trying to be helpful & point out such discussions belong in Talk Story or Real World not here.

By all means continue your intellectual discussion.

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Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:15 PM

WINDWALKER


If you read the story or follow the legend of "Hercules"

Hercules was one of the sons produced by Zeus in his many love affairs. Hercules became immortal when Zeus put the infant at the breast of his divine spouse Hera as she slept. It was a sneaky deal. Having suckled the divine milk of the goddess, Hercules became immortal, but ever after he was dogged by the enmity of the goddess, who was irate at the infidelity of her husband Zeus.

Would that make Zeus a Nephilim?



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