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SERENITY great cinema? Compared to what?

POSTED BY: HOWARD
UPDATED: Thursday, November 3, 2005 15:41
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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 7:38 AM

ANASAZI


I appreciate what Howard is trying to say, but the fact that he's missing is that when people say Serenity is great film, most of us are comparing it to the disasterous attempts of film that clutter the top of the box-office list.

Your list of recomended films is impressive, but for most of us middle-income americans, it's hard to come in contact with those well made films. I live north of the Boston area, and the first film on your list, the elegant "A Very Long Engagement" played in a total of ONE THEATRE in the entire Metro Area.

When I call Serenity great cinema, I'd like to think I'm comparing it to these films that graced the multi-plexes this year:

WEDDING CRASHERS
FANTASTIC FOUR
THE LONGEST YARD
THE PACIFIER
THE RING 2
FOUR BROTHERS
GUESS WHO
SAHARA
BEWITCHED
SKY HIGH
KICKING AND SCREAMING
RED EYE
TRANSPORTER 2
BEAUTY SHOP
THE ISLAND
XXX: STATE OF THE UNION
HOUSE OF WAX

and those are just the movies that made more than Serenity.




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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:39 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 3HeadedMonkey:
actually, Greedo says "oola goota, solo?" which translates to "going somewhere, solo?"
and the launguage is rodian.

I was mixing and matching- and as we're gittin' all technical and such, Greedo said " Ootah khootah, Solo?"

Soam beetchalay. Lanatron tee-tock la keecheetah! Heh heh heh heh...Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:46 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH


Ooh, looks like I pushed a button with that rant remark. I'm still gonna call them rants though - cuz that's what they are. Even if they are well-based in fact, the way that you stated these facts is what made them a rant, not what you said. Had you as much intelligence as you claim, you would've realized that. Also, if you wanted a thread discussing the problems with America today, you should have called it that, rather than picking on Serenity, which is not the problem. So . . yeah.

*wanders off in search of more enlightened thread*

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 8:51 AM

GLADIATOR


Howard:

After reading your long winded fancy posts I decided one thing about you. You are a pompous fuck. The kind of person who hangs out in coffee houses and snaps his fingers to some bull shit goth poetry. The kind of person who wears a god damn black turtle neck and a beret.

What the hell kind of list of movies is that. Just the titles alone scream, I am going to destroy any vestige of entertainment this movie may have to offer, let alone their boring ass content. You wanna know what good entertainment is. Good entertainment is Arnold killing 91 people in Commando. That's good god damn entertainment and nothing you're 6 syllable word typing ass is gonna change that.

Now maybe you're in the minority of "higher thinking" people and you are just that much more advanced. But I doubt it. More likely you have taken days on these posts in order to "awe" us with your brilliance. But lets pretend you are as smart as you post. Well shit, I have never wanted to be just an ordinary person more in my life. Hell can you imagine trying to pick up a chick talking like you do ahhaha. Hell, I guess you dont have to imagine do you? How do you really enjoy anything?

Now I know what you're thinking and what you're gonna say. Blah blah blah *insert long winded phrase* you are a troglodyte and you are only attacking me because thats all you can do. Blah blah blah *insert sentece that I won't finish because only robots speak that way* you are a dictator because you don't see my wisdom. Blah blah blah you are a flaming ranter that has nothing constructive to say and is a child

And you know what, you're right and the beauty is you have to deal with people like me for the rest of your miserble cold calis life.

Oh and by the way, My dad can beat your dad up.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:14 AM

RAE


All I can really say about this thread is ROFL.

Remember, trolls are like stray dogs and cats. They won't go away as long as you are feeding them.

Rae

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:46 AM

TOMFORESTGOBLIN


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After reading your long winded fancy posts I decided one thing about you. You are a pompous fuck. The kind of person who hangs out in coffee houses and snaps his fingers to some bull shit goth poetry. The kind of person who wears a god damn black turtle neck and a beret.

What the hell kind of list of movies is that. Just the titles alone scream, I am going to destroy any vestige of entertainment this movie may have to offer, let alone their boring ass content. You wanna know what good entertainment is. Good entertainment is Arnold killing 91 people in Commando. That's good god damn entertainment and nothing you're 6 syllable word typing ass is gonna change that.

Now maybe you're in the minority of "higher thinking" people and you are just that much more advanced. But I doubt it. More likely you have taken days on these posts in order to "awe" us with your brilliance. But lets pretend you are as smart as you post. Well shit, I have never wanted to be just an ordinary person more in my life. Hell can you imagine trying to pick up a chick talking like you do ahhaha. Hell, I guess you dont have to imagine do you? How do you really enjoy anything?

Now I know what you're thinking and what you're gonna say. Blah blah blah *insert long winded phrase* you are a troglodyte and you are only attacking me because thats all you can do. Blah blah blah *insert sentece that I won't finish because only robots speak that way* you are a dictator because you don't see my wisdom. Blah blah blah you are a flaming ranter that has nothing constructive to say and is a child

And you know what, you're right and the beauty is you have to deal with people like me for the rest of your miserble cold calis life.

Oh and by the way, My dad can beat your dad up.



This post made my day. Hi-larious.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 9:58 AM

CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG


I'm gonna say right away you've got some amazing taste in films. But you know what, almost none of them are fun. Serenity was the best fun movie I've seen in a long time. Was it one of the best movies ever made? No. But then again the best movies aren't the most fondly remembered. Star Wars is awful but loved by billions because it's fun. Movies that enter the public consciousness (which I have no doubt Serenity will do) are films you can sit and watch and enjoy. Almost none of your movies (or at least the movies you reference that I've seen) do this.

One thought though:
Run Lola Run, fun movie but completely cashes in on video games and the MTV generation. It's a character who has three lives to save her boyfriend, animated segments for no reason, half of it is just her running (and if I remember rightly had an advertising campaign that amounted to "come see Lola breasts bounce!") and has an incredibly simple plot. How can you decry Terminator and then quote the merits of this film?

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 11:59 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH


Gladiator, just gotta say: You're my new hero!


I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 12:14 PM

SPACED


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Originally posted by Howard:

Actually I never liked CITIZEN KANE
I much prefer THE TRIAL and so did
Mr Welles.

For years I felt alone in saying that
THE TRIAL is a better Welles film
than KANE. Until a wonderful LASERDISC
of THE TRIAL was released and in the
liner notes Welles is quoted in an]
interview as saying that for me THE
TRIAL is better.

The problem with the likes of THE TERMINATOR
is that giving your money for that crap just
encourages the studios.



Well I just dont see how the millions of people who loved The Termintor movies can all be wrong about it being good

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:51 PM

GIXXER


Gladdy,

They say you shouldn't use harsh language on a Forum.

It is, on occasion, hilarious.


(Personally the Howardism that really got my goat was the "Summer is a sell-out class traitor for choosing not to stay vegetarian during her ass-kicking training.")

G



I want my goat back.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:53 PM

HOWARD




I only included RUN LOLA RUN because
it was the precuser to THE PRINCESS AND
THE WARRIOR and it is a fun film.

I wrote a list that is varied by intent.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 2:06 PM

HOWARD


Dear chronicthehedgehog :

Thank you for your empathetic remarks.

To answer some of your valid points.

People spend so much time these days watching
nothing but fun be it REALITY TV, ACTION
FILMS or VIDEO GAMES that I wanted to provide
an alternative way of living.

There is a different kind of satisfaction
that one gets from these movies and some of
them are very enjoyable in their own way.
I concede that some are demanding and that
a few of them are not fun in that sense.

Elegant pleasure can be even more enjoyable
than plain fun.

When I want a fun flick say something lighter
I like smaller films (in budget) say CLUELESS
small film big success. Or the little seen
and very clever and sharp and fun STARDOM.

But then there is TV. I don't feel the need
to go watch action films I find it ironic that
Joss the guy responsible for BUFFY, ANGEL and
FIREFLY feels now the need to enter a business
that in my opinion is worse!!

What I love about those shows is that they
are better at a fraction of budget than any
theatrical action movie. They have everything
from fun to dramatic depth, action and more
sensitive elements. Plus what most action
films don't have...original, creative
imagination.

Plus look at the value for money 22 episodes
of BUFFY or The TERMINATOR...BUFFY for me
every time!!

PS Oh yeah and Joss's shows thanks to his
writers like the great Jane are so often
funnier than TV sitcoms or romcom movies.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:19 PM

HOWARD



On RUN LOLA RUN..

While it is a fun movie I disagree with
your evaluation I think it is more than
just fun. The mosaic of elements was very
inventive in its mix even if those elements
are not original in themselves.

The idea of having the events repeated with
a different consequence and the commentary
about people passing by in the street was
very refreshing.

I love the running aspect and the techno
music. And I loved it when Joss paid homage
with a Potential in LOLA fashion being hunted.

As for bouncing breasts...no I'm sorry if that
were the intention she would not have been
wearing that kind of bra and a more obviously
sexy chick would have been cast.


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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:29 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Gladiator:


Oh and by the way, My dad can beat your dad up.

GLADIATOR! Your use of inappropriate language forces me to say this, and I'll only say it once!
You are one ing funny dude!!!
I'm still wipin' tears from my eyes.

That was good.

Chrisisall, Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahhhhahaaahahhaahahahhaahhaahhhahhaha.....bwahahahaha

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:33 PM

HOWARD




SPACED:

If you read what I have written before
I said the issue is not whether it is
well made (TERMINATOR) but what it projects.

As for millions of people liking something
therefore it must be good...

McDonalds
SUV's
Smoking
Wal-Mart
and for a few years millions of people in
Germany loved Hitler

My opinion of TERMINATOR is that it is part
of a sick type of culture.

Back in the late 60's early 70's Science
Fiction was dramatic and had something to say.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Howard, nuthin' against you, man, Gladiator was just gorram hi-larious, that's all.

I guess I'm just a child underneath the civilized facade Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:38 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Howard:

Back in the late 60's early 70's Science
Fiction was dramatic and had something to say.

Yeah, stuff like Lost In Space and Logan's Run: the TV series.....

Chrisisall*snicker* Oh, I am SO a child....

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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:43 PM

HOWARD



ANASAZI:

All the films I listed I listed as DVD's
most of them North American Region 1.

I agree that SERENITY is better than the
junk you listed.

As for a movie such as A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT
playing in only one screen. Well vote with
your money and take your friends so maybe
when a movie like that plays the powers that
be might get the message.


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Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:52 PM

HOWARD




Dear GLADIATOR

You are the lowest form of inhuman life.

Yes I am superior to you. That is not
even in doubt.

You have to spend the rest of your life
knowing that you are barely even good
enough to clean the dirt off my shoes.

I remain always
superior to filfth like you

Sincerely
Howard


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Thursday, November 3, 2005 2:05 AM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Originally posted by Unsardonic:
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Hi there, ya sleepwalker



Wotcha *waves*

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Well, it took me a bit to get back to you due to the work schedule. Lessee... Sir Henry (Rawlinson) would have said, "I've just spent the last 10 hours buried up the backsides of the filth hounds of Hades!" ...so, trying to get past my nitrogen narcosis & readjust to regular atmospheric pressure...



Ha!!! Nice classical references there... of course it could also have been Persephone who uttered those words :)


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s'anyway... you make a bunch of excellent points about 'Salo.' And I agree with many of them and, also, I agree with you in that I'm also not that particularly 'shockable.' I think had I taken some Evangelical Christian aquaintance of mine, well...THEY might well have been shocked.


That's true - but it's not hard shocking such people.

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However, I have to tell you, I can't remember what my shockability was back around, I'm thinking, 1972, when I first saw it. If you can imagine the zeitgeist back then, even I might have been quite appalled in '72... I don't think I was but... I WAS shocked.


You know I must admit, to my shame, I did totally overlook the era in which it was made. "My bad" However I'm not entirely sure that doesn't emphasize my point.

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Now, I don't believe Pasolini shot it specifically for the point of "shocking" people. I believe he was making a political satire that was aimed at various political figures/events in Italian politics around the late 1960's or so... trying to imply that, if you were a member of such-&-such political party (Pasolini was a Communist, himself) then you were just beginning to dip your toes into the pond wherein, after a couple of good dips, you'd be incapable of avoiding ...raping & killing your own children, for example... I believe he was trying to make allegorical finger-pointing statements at whoever he despised. ....and trying to translate those kinds of ideas (whatever he was trying to say) into our CURrent sensibilities is about as seamless as trying to get the humor in a Python gag from 1969 that is specific to local-town-council-politics in some village in England back THEN... doesn't translate so well to the general populace.


You know that's very true. Very true indeed. I did register it as a pollitical focus, and I understand he was (for the poor fellow was assassinated) very committed to his political beliefs, and you know you're absolutely right about the intricate difficulties of expressing your beliefs seemlessly in such a medium. I guess you're right, sex and violence are universal and maybe the better way of presenting a political subtext to your narrative. I don't think I have a problem with any of this, I think maybe what doesn't work for me, and I say me, because I must admit most of my friends who have seem it regard it also as a very hard hitting and impacting piece of work. However for me the very graphic nature in which he presents it I think limited his audience. As you say it was 1972....folks, well they just weren't used to that kinda imagery on screen. It could possibly have been to much for them.

I suppose my wondering is wether or not his 'political' viewpoint wouldn't have been better served if he'd toned down the graphic visuals in place of more subtle imagery. Thereby allowing greater accessability for 'his' audience. I shouldn't wonder if he didn't turn the stomachs of a fair few people who shared in his beliefs with such extreme and graphics images....? Is that really a success in those terms?

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So I don't really think Pasolini shot it to be secifically 'shocking' as you've interpreted; I believe he was extremely angry about political points of view that he disagreed with & was saying, "See! See how you bastards are?! THIS... is how you are!" He was being accusatory. ...ummm... my opinion... could be wrong.



I think you're right - but then this message is lost if you reduce your audience by having them walk out on your film. I mean how much of your message becomes clouded by the allegory you've conjured? Again I'm only theorising - but lets face it this film is remembered for the graphic violence first, political undertones later.... Mission failed...? Perhaps?


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Now to conclude my "Salo-ivations", a few years ago, I had a lovely conversation with a fellow who's a film composer & it was about art we both respected &, I dunno how we both arrived at this but, the conversation was about Prokofiev & Pasolini. He had just about the same take on "Salo" that I did but, he had a very interesting additional point. He pointed out that what it succeeds in doing is to "resensitize" the viewer to screen violence. His point was (& this was around 8 years ago), that all us movie-lovers are now so innured to screen violence that it falls off us like water off a duck's back. And he thought that this was a sad state of affairs... take your own perspective, for example: you can't even be affected by the awful horror depicted within "Salo" as, I'm guessing, you've already seen a whole lotta screen violence (not a criticism, BTW).


I guess your friend has a fair point to a certain extent. Although my desensitization (ok it might be a real world) to violence isn't through having watched lots of it, but more because I studied film. (I wanted to be a director) So I can tend to be removed when watching films sometimes, which gladly didn't happen with SERENITY so that was cool :)

Then again - isn't Passolini just re-enforcing this? So maybe if you do walk out of his film or find it far too shocking, then perhaps you've not been desensitized... thereby not able to sit through his political finger pointing, and therefore not privy to his message, that he feels you[the audience] should be made aware of...?

So again his agenda is lost? No?


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He & I had both been so strongly affected by it that, well... it just plain made us think hard about people who might behave this way or, well... it can't be denied that, throughout history, various human beings (even whole nations) have, in fact, behaved that way... and worse, even MUCH worse so... whether or not it worked on you, it certainly worked on me: I believe there is some cultural value in "resentizing" the average filmgoer to the (often) horrible events they see depicted on screen FOR THEIR AMUSEMENT. I mean, for what it's worth...


Yeah I agree actually. Whole heartedly. I'm just questioning by the action of making people look away from watching - you kinda make the thing redundant. I think....


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Well, the most completely precise answer to this is:
"Yes... and no..."

To explain myself: "Yes" because sure, absolutely, 'd love to, based on the presumption that we at least have Serenity'verse in common - & I like a whole lotta comics. Besides... if there's one job-skill required of a producer, it's collaboration, eh? I mean, the whole of the Industry is one, giant collaboration or... that movie didn't get made...

...and "No" because, well... I'm not a producer by choice or, because I went out & had enough skill in the Art to get hired by some company (well... I did... but, besides the point). I'm a producer out of necessity: it's the only way I could see to get my original creative output (& that of my production partner) shot & released while, simultaneously, retaining some modicum of freakin' control over it. THERE'S the rub... "creative control"....



Fair enough Unsardonic, I hear you. Very much the same reason I freelance.

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So I don't work for some big studio or such, wherein my daily routine is somewhat predictable and maybe there'd be some downtime, OH no-ooo... nothing that normal...


Actually that is what I was hoping. I'm glad your not part of the big studio system :)

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We have a dinkly, li'l, indie movie production house whose only purpose is creating these original works of cinematic art. There's several dozen of them already and only one has been completely shot - and immediately shelved (as inferior, by our own outrageously exacting standards).


That 'ol chestnut :) Been there :)

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My typical workweek is 80, 90, 100 hours... EVERY week... for the last two years. I've had exactly two days off in that time: one was Christmas last year - & even then, we had to have a morning buiness meeting before we wrapped for the afternoon; the other was because my immune system gave out and whatever bug I had laid me down too sick to move. ...just sayin'... there is no more complex, detail oriented, knowledge-intensive work one can take on than independent feature film production. None... not one, I gurantee... it'd be easier to be the President... at least he has an adequate staff and budget... and he can manage to find time for his family so, it's a good thing I don't have one... whew... sorry... was I ranting? ...hmmm...


*Looks over to Sardonic*:
"Hey fella how long you been in this boat with me?"

January next year will be the first holiday I've had in two years. Going to Australia to see my girlfriend. Turns out she went out there, I didn't even notice!!! (ok not quite - but you get my point that lifes been passing me by these last few years on account of work!)

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Now... I'll tell you something else that, perhaps, people don't think about: Have you ever heard the phraselet, "Unsolicited Material?"


Dood - you know what. THATS all I hear in this business!!!! You know how many of my own stories I've illustrated only to be presented with that phrase EVERY time I pitch it to publishers!!!!

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Many producers - not all, but many... cannot accept (even categorically refuse to accept) "Unsolicitied Material." That means, something they didn't specifically ask a writer for or, I should say, have their agent ask the writer's agent for - in other words, some spec work a writer is approaching them with.

In the case of my company, it has a blanket policy saying that we won't do it; it's just simpler that way. I mean, first off, there's already enough distractions from our prime focus that, well... unsolicited projects would simply serve to diffuse that focus even further but, moreover... well, you might read in the paper that such-n-such producer/production company has just been sued because their highly-successful film that just grossed $250-megabucks domestic theatrical had ripped off ideas that, so-n-so prospective screenwriter submitted to that producer/company in a spec script he'd sent them ...15-ish years before... and if you're Amblin Entertainment or Lucasfilm & people send you, fully, 2,000 scripts a week, all you do is stack 'em up against the wall because there, for SURE, is nobody around there that has time to sort through any of it, much less read it... much LESS, "rip it off" for one of their OWN projects.

Anyway, we're for sure, not Steven Spielberg or George Lucas and, if we ever got hit by such a lawsuit, it'd sink us, pure and simple... therefore the company preempts that and says, "No accepting unsolicited material, period."



Oh all together a different kinda hell, I know, I hear ya. However been ripped off many times myself - and just haven't the clout and TIME to pursue legals to right the wrongs done to me... Sadly one of those things you have to grin and bare nowadays unless you have a team of legal eagles working for you, which I don't.

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Now, that doesn't mean, I wouldn't want to see your stuff but, it DOES mean that the easiest way for me to see it is, if it's in print somewhere & I can go out & buy a copy which, I'd love to do.


Well that's nice of you regardless - It's almost all here in the UK however if you want to see a little video promo I directed for a singer here in the uk then check out this:
http://www.zeenagulzar.com/videos/time_and_space.rm
It'll need RealPlayer so if you don't have it don't sweat it.

Otherwise take a look at my website below, much of the cartoon work is commissioned work.


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Do you have any other work you like to compare it to that I might have an idea what it's like. I mean, I like a lot of comics, but not necessary all... some just don't grab me, eh? Or do you refer to any particular influences?


Actually although I'm a cartoonist the last thing I was refering to was a comic project, no I was thinking of writing :) I've a fair few notions just wanted to shoot the breeze with you.

I'm writing a TV series with two other friends that we're hoping to pitch to the bbc, but of course, work gets in the way and before you know it a year has gone buy and you've still not finished the pilot!!! You know how it is I'm sure :)

No I just figured seeing as we have, SERENITY in common, and now thinking about it SALO too I just thought I'd touch base. But really it's no biggy. I totally undeerstand your point of view Unsardonic. Lets say we talk films, and tv and all things Joss related more and see how things go. :)

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Sorry to go on so lonbg, so...


errr yeah what you said. Ooops

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...if you made it his far, then you couldn't possible "be a stupid, inbred stack of meat"


I dunno you'd be surprised at the tenacity of such folk

Ok nice exchanging viewpoints on Salo, I fully understand if you don't wish to follow this through Unsardonic... Er I think we can both waffle on some eh?

"Same Bat-time same Bat-channel".....

The
Somnambulist



www.cirqus.com

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:45 AM

STORYMARK


Well, damn. I was catching up on the posts in this thread, and read one from Howard that I thought was actually interesting and insightfull, and was not written with a superior attitute.

Then I read further down the page.

Never mind.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 5:56 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH


Wow, apparently I really can't bait Howard. How disappointing. I guess I'll have to be less subtle in what I say. So, here goes: Howard, you are a stuck up ing hole, and you are not smart!!!

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:13 AM

GLADIATOR


To my beloved Howard:

Oh Howard, Howard, Howard

I never said you were superior to me, I just said you may...MAY be smarter which you just proved to be incorrect beings how you replied to my post falling right into my diabolical plot hook line and sinker. And superiority has very little to do with being smarter than somone else. For example, Simon may be smarter than Jayne but Jayne could crush Simon's head with his bare hands. You are the Simon to my Jayne.

And me spending the rest of my life knowing that I'm barely good enough to clean your shoes...Well I slept like a baby bitch last night so I don't think I'm gonna lose any sleep over it.

But enough about me, back to the fun stuff...you.

I think that its important that we all establish something about you, Howard. You have no penis. Balls, yes im sure of that. To talk/write the way you do you need big balls. Penis however, I am pretty sure you do not have. It's ok neither does John Bobbit and he's a star.

Now I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you don't have many friends, Howard. Thats ok though you got me now. I feel we are becoming fast friends wouldn't you recon. Now instead of hanging out at star trek conventions dressed as a klingon trying to fit in you can just hang out at this website and we can reminse about all the fun times we're gonna have.

I really admire the way you break up your posts. It's like poetry. Did you learn that in the goth dens with all your klingon dressed friends? Howard, do you know what vagina looks like? Its ok if you don't, niether did Spock until he was...well old by human standards.

Well I guess its time for me to go back to my cave and drag some women about by their hair. Heres to you howard, heres to you.

p.s.
Inhuman, lowest form of life, filth? ....I'm not filth.

Crush your enemies
See them driven before you
And hear the lamentations of their women

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 6:24 AM

QUEENOFTHENORTH


Oh, yep, definitely my hero.

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 8:04 AM

MISSKITTEN


Quote:

Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Oh, yep, definitely my hero.

I give to you the Seeker of Serenity, the Valkyrie Warrior, the Gourmet Cook and the Truth Scoper.



That's seconed by me! LMAO... I started out being pissed in this thread, now I'm just laughing HARD!

I think it's a sad, sad world we're living in when people feel the need to school the rest of us in what makes something good.

I've had people trying to tell me what litterature works I am supposed to read and enjoy, just because some well schooled people wrote a long thesis about what the author meant by it. You know what I think? I think the authors of the old works would be turning in their graves if they were aware on how we're drawing out subtext and meaning out of every single written word.

I once had the pleasure of overhearing a group of "judges" discussing the depth of something I'd made. And what I got to hear was nothing short of bullshit. Just words to make something seem more important than what it is...

That is the problem, some high and mighty people pose their opinions as facts. And that's what it is... opinions.

There's not a single thing that the entire population will agree on, because we are different as people and there's nothing wrong with that. That isn't the problem, the problem is when people take their own views and poses them as facts. And Howie, that's what you've been doing from the start of this thread.

I know that if you feed the stray, they keep coming back, but I'd rather keep him occupied with this, than to have him making more threads :P

Plus, it's gotten major entertaining....

*~*~*

"Joss, if you kill him now I'll stuff a compression coil up your ass sideways!"
~ Kaylee, "Serenity in 2000 words or less"

Kaylee's the perfect woman!

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 8:12 AM

SPINLAND


Hell, compared to Gone With the Wind, to name just one film. I mean, c'mon! How could any yarn about a strumpet in a dress made of curtains compare to our Kaylee talking about stuff 'twixt her nethers?

Priorities, people.



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Thursday, November 3, 2005 9:51 AM

MISSKITTEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Spinland:
Hell, compared to Gone With the Wind, to name just one film. I mean, c'mon! How could any yarn about a strumpet in a dress made of curtains compare to our Kaylee talking about stuff 'twixt her nethers?

Priorities, people.





Oh I LOVE that quote!

*~*~*

"Joss, if you kill him now I'll stuff a compression coil up your ass sideways!"
~ Kaylee, "Serenity in 2000 words or less"

Kaylee's the perfect woman!

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 10:26 AM

ELLERS


Howard: you are without doubt, a mean and nasty troll, writing whatever stuff gets you a reaction and feeding off it - gosh, how clever: lampoon firefly lovers on a firefly discussion board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Leave the forum and be quiet, in whichever order you prefer.

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Thursday, November 3, 2005 3:41 PM

URSULA


Quote:

Originally posted by Gladiator:
To my beloved Howard:
I feel we are becoming fast friends wouldn't you recon. Now instead of hanging out at star trek conventions dressed as a klingon trying to fit in you can just hang out at this website and we can reminse about all the fun times we're gonna have.

I really admire the way you break up your posts. It's like poetry.

Heres to you howard, heres to you.




Wow. Now I have a warm, fuzzy feeling. This site makes me so happy!

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