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After seeing the BDM, if you could go back in time and stop the cancellation...

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Friday, October 14, 2005 1:06 PM

CHRISISALL


...would you?
Serenity is a great movie, so concentrated and fully packed! An impressive experience that wouldn't exist (not in quite the same way, at least) if the show wasn't cancelled. It forced Joss to explode with possibly the best genre film of all time!!!

I believe things happen for a reason....

We got half a season, and a major motion picture, all pure GOLD!! Would you temporally tamper with that?

Huh?

Chrisisall, getting back into his Delorean

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Friday, October 14, 2005 1:20 PM

GROUNDED


Hell yes I would! The film is good, but 'best genre film of all time'? How many genre films have you watched??

The Firefly universe was designed for TV and I have confidence Joss would have taken good care of our crew for a couple of awesome seasons...before repeatedly putting them through hell and killing them off as he is so want to do ;)

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Friday, October 14, 2005 1:20 PM

BLINKER


Yes. I'd prefer the chance to savour it all.

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Friday, October 14, 2005 1:31 PM

STARPILOTGRAINGER


Yeah, I would rather have had it in TV form.


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Friday, October 14, 2005 2:18 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Grounded:
The film is good, but 'best genre film of all time'?

I feel the BDM is one of the best ten films ever made...
I also feel that my feeling is not merely feeling, but objective FACT.
Do you dare contradict me??
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Friday, October 14, 2005 2:23 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by StarPilotGrainger:
Yeah, I would rather have had it in TV form.



Hmmm...okay. I guess I'm just still feeling that incredible rush the BDM packs...
the intensity...


Chrisisall

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Friday, October 14, 2005 4:24 PM

KNIBBLET


Here we are in our fourth season of the highly successful, genre defying, ground-breaking, HUGELY profitable television franchise that is Firefly.

The two spin-off shows, "Reaver Madness" and "The Badger Files" have explored new ground and even the cheesiest cross-overs present more pure storytelling than any Crossing Jordan/Vegas travesty ever will.

Morena Baccarin's new line of fragrances don't smell like air freshener and Summer Glau's summer tour with the Bolshoi was a 'must see' in 10 cities around the world.

Adam Baldwin's appearances on Letterman are always a treat and how can you not be thrilled to see Nathan Fillion on every other cover of "People" magazine.

The fact that Gina Torres just landed a role as the new James Bond girl at twice the pay Lawrence Fishburn received for his Matrix role tells the story about the success of our BDH's.

Have you collected all 6 Wash action figures yet? My favorite is "Niska torture victim Wash with the big lunch gut".

I almost forgot Jewel winning the emmy last year for best supporting actress for the scene where she performs surgery on the Shepherd whilst Simon gives her instructions over the radio.

Speaking of 'the Body'... Sean Maher was perfect as Jack Ryan in that Tom Clancy mini-series.

Ron Glass is always a class act and the work he did organizing all Fox stars for that emergency relief telethon was well deserving of the Freedom Medal.

I'm very glad we've enjoyed our four seasons and am looking forward to at least four more. Hopefully the three Emmys that Joss has received won't go to his head.


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Friday, October 14, 2005 5:09 PM

TRUTHSEEKER


Quote:

Originally posted by Knibblet:
Here we are in our fourth season of the highly successful, genre defying, ground-breaking, HUGELY profitable television franchise that is Firefly...



Sigh... Thanks for the lovely fantasy, Knibblet! Sooooo much better than my "real" life right about now.

On the other hand, Chrisisall, I do get your point. The BDM is sheer brilliance and wouldn't exist without the cancellation. Fox gave Joss lemons, and he made a whizz-bang of a lemon meringue pie. I fully intend to savor every bite, but even as grateful as I am, I'm not sure I could have chosen the steep and thorny road to Serenity over the primrose path of weekly Firefly... That would be a damn close call.

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Friday, October 14, 2005 10:33 PM

TUDYKRAWKS


i would want the series if oly for this reason:
the story told in the BDM would hav ebeen told on the show, (granted in a longer story arc) as well as many more amazing stories in the 'verse that joss could have created.!

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Friday, October 14, 2005 11:13 PM

XEROGRAVITY


I'm with Tudykrawks... I think the story told in the movie would have been told in infintely greater detail in series form. Grateful for the movie, but would have preferred the show.

Still want the show back.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:01 AM

SERGEANTX


Yup. Gimme the series anyday. The BDAM (BigDamnActionMovie) was good as a one-off, but it was a weak follow up the character driven stories of the series.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 5:10 AM

NIKNAK


Yes. I loved the film but it made me sad that we did not have the chance to see it all gradually unfold over many episodes and very sad not to see Books past revealed and the crew's reaction to it.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:14 AM

IMALEAF


yes and no...............yes because they never got to tell Book's story and Wash would probably still be alive; and no because the movie really was an event you went through with all the characters.




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Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:38 AM

CYBERSNARK


I'd've kept the series, with the movie events as season 2.

And with the full knowledge that, if the series had gone on long enough, we'd be getting a movie anyway. (Though obviously not the same movie.)

And an ongoing comic series. And a novel series. And a video game or three. . .

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:23 AM

GROUNDED


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Grounded:
The film is good, but 'best genre film of all time'?

I feel the BDM is one of the best ten films ever made...



Are you talking content-wise or are you talking about the amazing fact the film even exists at all? Content-wise, I can't believe anyone would consider it one of the top 10 of all time. It's good, but...top 10? Really? Question mark?

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:29 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD


It's certainly in my top 10. Of course, rating movies is entirely subjective, so I base Serenity's ranking on how much it affected me. Which was, well, you know. . .a lot.

Obligatory Establishment Of Street Cred, or: The Other Films In My Top 10:
1. Serenity
2. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
3. The Lord of the Rings
4. The Big Lebowski
5. Brazil
6. Pulp Fiction
7. Blade Runner
8. Casablanca
9. Rushmore
10. Goodfellas

I just don't like the assumption that if Serenity is in your top 10, you're somehow ignorant when it comes to film. Besides, I personally don't even really like top 10 lists that much. They're too limited. They exclude entirely too many films (and we can't be excludin' films, 'cause that'd be rude) that I probably love just as much, like Chinatown, The Godfather: Parts I & II, Alien, Dawn of the Dead, The Maltese Falcon, Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind, Miller's Crossing, Fight Club, Memento, Big Trouble In Little China, Léon, Ed Wood, etc. . .

Oh, and to answer the question of the post: I think that, as much as I love the BDM, I'd still love to see it played out over the course of a season. Of course, it might not have been the pure, concentrated awesome that the film was, but it would have allowed for more smaller character moments, and that's always a good thing.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:00 PM

PURPLEPENGUIN91


I'm with everyone on the rather have it on tv point. But don't think for a minute that I'm not very glad for the movie, and the whole past three years in this 'verse. In some ways, FOX cancelling it was pretty neat, if they never did, then we may never know how completely awesome and dedicated us Browncoats are, and I think the long road we've been on helps us appreciate the movie more. However, I would in some ways rather have more tv seasons. I LOVE tv, I love being able to grow and change with the characters, and to throw a pillow at your tv when the bad guys are on, or when some shipper you don't like is kissing (I've actually done that lol), and to laugh and cry over the period of several months, not just a couple of hours. And I think Firefly is just better suited for tv. The best thing in my opinion, would be a continuation or the series after Serenity, cause we already have all the memories of the past three years, and our BDM, and we would get to experience many more detailed adventures with the crew. But thats just my dream lol :)

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:18 PM

GROUNDED


Quote:

Originally posted by MohrStoutbeard:
I just don't like the assumption that if Serenity is in your top 10, you're somehow ignorant when it comes to film.



I wasn't saying that. Also, there's a difference between what you think the top 10 best films ever made are and what your top 10 favourite films are.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:27 PM

MICHAELANGELO


Gorram right i would!

Echoing most of you, the film was great & i'm very glad for it, but it wasn't Firefly. I don't need a big (well little) budgit film with dazzling effects. That's not what i fell in love with. I fell in love with the characters & how they interacted. That was in short order in the film. There's just no time for it. I did like seeing the verse, the different locations the crew went. That was a highlight of the film, but the characters suffered for it. While we were enjoying the eye-candy we weren't getting Kaylee pining over Simon, or River pulling out pages of Books broken symbol of faith... that i missed dearly.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:25 PM

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL


I am with you, Chrisisall. I think the Firelfy fan base became incredibly loyal and fervent because of the cancellation, and the rush I got out of seeing the movie 5 times in theatres full of enthralled viewers made it all worthwhile.

I would have loved to have more episodes of the show, but I am extremely happy with the way things turned out.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:14 PM

MOHRSTOUTBEARD


Quote:

Originally posted by Grounded:
I wasn't saying that. Also, there's a difference between what you think the top 10 best films ever made are and what your top 10 favourite films are.



You didn't explicitly state it, but "I can't believe anyone would consider it one of the top 10 of all time" sounds kind of condescending. That might not have been your intention, but it is how it sounded to me.

And, yes, you're right, there is a difference between a "best" list and a "favorite" list - the difference being that there can never be an actual list of the top 10 best films ever. Who's to say what's the best, and what's not? The best you could ever hope to achieve is to get a group of people to come to a consensus over what they think are the best movies ever, but that doesn't mean it's anything other than people's opinions.

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:32 PM

BATMARLOWE


Would I stop the cancellation?

Abso-
frickin'-
lutely!

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:51 PM

ERRHEAD


The BDM was the best movie of the year, and easily in my top ten as well
But given my druthers i'd take several seasons of firefly any day
many more hours of enjoyment
many more stories told

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Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:53 PM

TOMANTA


I love the movie. While it could never hit #1 on my list for a variety of reasons, none having to do with whatever I decide IS #1, it could very well hit #2. The film is a paradox. Nothing in it is groundbreaking... yet, the film is in some ways. It is, perhaps, as close to the perfect form a film can be.

That being said, the answer to your question would be "In a heartbeat."

The story was meant to be told on television. Joss works best on television (although we'll see how that changes once he gets a few movies under his belt). My only caveat would be that it would end itself before it really jumped the shark. Of course, the spinoff* would be up and running by then.

* My 'perfect spinoff' idea would be set on an Alliance ship. It'd be great to see how the other half lives.

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